FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately

[Himu]

himuroids

[Himu]

Blitzball is still the bees knees btw. I ignored it on replays, but it's still as fun as the first time I played in 2001/2002. It's an utter shame the intro to blitz is the unfair Luca game because it's one of the greatest mini games/side quests in a game ever.

Got Shuu and Wedge on my team roster. O'aka has been paid 10,001 gil, and I'm going to backtrack to Luca from Mi'ihen to get recruit another good player in Luca. Can't wait to get home and play.

[Himu]

The expert grid continues to be excellent. If you are not watching what you're doing, you can accidentally lose your way onto someone else's section of the grid. So every time you use it, you really need to pay attention and plan ahead. Really fun stuff.

My Blitzball team! I got rid all of the original Aurochs' except Letty. Now I'm stunting on everyone. 5-0? Ain't no thang.

My team is:

Left Field - Tidus (
Right Field - Wedge (17 shoot at lv 1 )
Midfield - Zev Ronso (12 endurance, 7 pass, 7 block, 7 attack, 11 shoot at lv 1)
Left Defender - Ropp (15 blocks, 11 attack)
Right Defender - Zalitz (15 atk, 11 block at level 1 )
Keeper - Jumal (14 catch )

Easy team you grab early on that shits on everyone.

Still disappointed S-E never made a Blitzball full game. It deserves it because it's awesome. Going around the world, recruiting players to join your team, waiting for players to have free agency so you can pick them up on your team. The competitions, the worthy loot and prizes, just all around fun. The bad thing is that it's just too easy once you get a good team. Imagine playing a sports-rpg game where you travel the world trying to develop the best team. You do quests to get the get best players, there's a storyline too, and rivalries. Ideally, instead of starring just FFX characters, it'd be like Dissidia meets Blitzball, and you'd be able to recreate FF main characters and shit. Gosh, WHYYYYYYYYYY? It's just a natural idea coming off blitzball in FFX.

They could put it on mobile and 3ds and it'd kick ass. Do the same for a Triple Triad game too.

Wouldn't have to cost much, either. But instead they insist on making titles like All The bravest.

[Himu]

I'm starting to get annoyed we never got FFX International before now, because this truly is the ultimate version and full package.

Regular FFX, the main game, as you trek from Besaid to Zanarkand, is boring gameplay-wise. It has the occasional great boss fight, but its mundane repetition and simplicity ruin a potentially fantastic battle system. Expert grid fixes all of this. Initially, it seems same old FFX, but the more you play, the less nodes you get. You'll get three empty nodes in a row, for instance. This stacks up, and for this reason, at this point in the story I'm at - Guadosalam - my party is tremendously weaker than if I were playing vanilla sphere grid. Auron has a mere 1600 hp, and when he's poisoned, he receives a whopping 400 damage per turn. 4 turns or less with that, and he's dead. Sphere levels can also be somewhat less uncommon at this point, too. So your party is stuck with it. The enemy variety is still poor, but the game balance has been fully impacted and it's truly the superior game because of it. I'm losing at places I normally would win at (like fights with Brigandine) simply because my stats aren't up to snuff. Of course, it's not full on hard or anything, but it makes a much more balanced and exciting game experience that was previously absent.

Final Fantasy X has always been a game where the story and characters were far better than the actual gameplay itself. With FFX International, the gameplay is finally almost on par with the story.

Fuck you Squaresoft for never releasing this way back when.

Haven't beaten the game yet, but so far, this thing is pushing FFX out of low-tier FF territory and more into an upper-mid tier game like FFIV.

I can't stop playing it, and I'm actively excited to play it when I'm out. I haven't felt like that about Final Fantasy in...who knows how long. It feels like I'm experiencing the game again for the first time.

Cannot WAIT to get to the Dark Aeons.

[Rufus]

It will get boring before long, expert or regular grid. I got tired of the fights somewhere in the mountains, before the Seymour fight so many people got stuck at.
FF9 and 10 are the games that made me appreciate 12's gambit system so much more. Automate the mundane shit? All in!

[magus]

Cannot WAIT to get to the Dark Aeons.

ah-ah you poor thing

let me warn you, the dark aeons aren't the amazing boss fight you think as much as they are the most chorish thing they added, i mean not as bad as dodging 100 lightning,that stupid butterfly minigame or the chocobo race but still pretty chorish

[AdmiralViscen]

Blitzball is still the bees knees btw. I ignored it on replays, but it's still as fun as the first time I played in 2001/2002. It's an utter shame the intro to blitz is the unfair Luca game because it's one of the greatest mini games/side quests in a game ever.

Got Shuu and Wedge on my team roster. O'aka has been paid 10,001 gil, and I'm going to backtrack to Luca from Mi'ihen to get recruit another good player in Luca. Can't wait to get home and play.

How the hell did you get that much money already?

I got him to 5,001 by giving him everything I had up to right before the Blitz game. Do I only see him one more time? When?

[Himu]

After Luca, you go to Mi'ihen highroad. Mi'ihen has a shit ton of gil drops. iirc there's a 6000 gil chest. I had 10k in full by the time I hit O'aka on the low road. I also managed to beat the Chocobo Eater.

5000k by then seems pretty good and perfectly normal. Luca has a lack of gil, and I had to give him 1000 gil twice in Luca going to and from the Al Bhed Yuna capture.

Final and last time is on the Mi'ihen Old Road. There's a high road, and there's a low road. He's on the low road near the save point. You'll run into him easily if you lose to Chocobo Eater. If you beat Chocobo Eater, you have to grab a Chocobo and journey to the old road, which is directly south of Mushroom Rock entrance where Dona and Bartello are. Btw, there's an Al Bhed primer on the cliffs of the high road near the entrance to Mi'ihen next to the Yevon nun.

[Himu]

It will get boring before long, expert or regular grid. I got tired of the fights somewhere in the mountains, before the Seymour fight so many people got stuck at.
FF9 and 10 are the games that made me appreciate 12's gambit system so much more. Automate the mundane shit? All in!

Switching every character in and out every. fucking. battle, breh.

Cannot WAIT to get to the Dark Aeons.

ah-ah you poor thing

let me warn you, the dark aeons aren't the amazing boss fight you think as much as they are the most chorish thing they added, i mean not as bad as dodging 100 lightning,that stupid butterfly minigame or the chocobo race but still pretty chorish

Preparing for the dark aeons is going to be a chore because I'm going to be leveling up my celestial weapons and grinding the monster arena. Yet strangely I'm looking forward to it. Never bothered with the monster arena. Too time consuming on previous runs.

I'm going for a platinum of both X and X-2.

[magus]

here's how it works, first of all you capture like 10 of every monster for the monster arena unlocking all of the boss fight from the special arena
then you make a shitload of levels using this trick here

spoiler (click to show/hide)

you make one of your character weak as shit,then you pick a fight with the tonberry king,the tonberry king hits the weak character for like a bajillion of damage and the two other character gets like 50 limit bars all at once... then if you have the skill that turn limit bar into XP that translates into making 50 levels in a row!

[close]

then you enter a fight with each of the arena monster that have a power-up sphere (probably starting from the strenght one) you delete the node from the sphere board that have useless stat+1 with usefull stat+4 node,after an eternity all your character have maxed stat and you can finaly fight the stronger dark aeons

...even after you bother to do all of this,the final secret boss is still a pain in the ass,especialy because all of his attack inflict every bad status effect making the fight impossible without ribbon

best part of maxing your stat is going against the final boss,watching wakka bop him once with his lame little ball and see him crumble in a single turn

[Himu]

I'm nor going to replace any nodes.

[demi]

Trying to finish AC4 before playing this... god I hate AC4.

[AdmiralViscen]

After Luca, you go to Mi'ihen highroad. Mi'ihen has a shit ton of gil drops. iirc there's a 6000 gil chest. I had 10k in full by the time I hit O'aka on the low road. I also managed to beat the Chocobo Eater.

5000k by then seems pretty good and perfectly normal. Luca has a lack of gil, and I had to give him 1000 gil twice in Luca going to and from the Al Bhed Yuna capture.

Final and last time is on the Mi'ihen Old Road. There's a high road, and there's a low road. He's on the low road near the save point. You'll run into him easily if you lose to Chocobo Eater. If you beat Chocobo Eater, you have to grab a Chocobo and journey to the old road, which is directly south of Mushroom Rock entrance where Dona and Bartello are. Btw, there's an Al Bhed primer on the cliffs of the high road near the entrance to Mi'ihen next to the Yevon nun.

Thanks dude.

I just finished the tournament so maybe I can bang that out today before I forget.

[magus]

I'm nor going to replace any nodes.

well then you are not going to beat any of the dark aeons beside the first few one

[ZephyrFate]

X-2 has legitimately good gameplay as far as its battle system goes. Anyone who says otherwise is factually wrong and hates fun. The job system is addictive, it introduced on-the-fly job switching that FF13/X-2/LR would later refine.

HOWEVER, Lightning Returns is basically the most perfected version of X-2's system that S-E could get without just making it an action game like FFXV. And as far as sexualizing Lightning goes -- most of the outfits are actually pretty conservative and, shockingly, are really cool. And the shitty costumes? Just slap a mustache on lightning as well as Sazh's afro and it's fine.

[SantaC]

I'm starting to get annoyed we never got FFX International before now, because this truly is the ultimate version and full package.

Regular FFX, the main game, as you trek from Besaid to Zanarkand, is boring gameplay-wise. It has the occasional great boss fight, but its mundane repetition and simplicity ruin a potentially fantastic battle system. Expert grid fixes all of this. Initially, it seems same old FFX, but the more you play, the less nodes you get. You'll get three empty nodes in a row, for instance. This stacks up, and for this reason, at this point in the story I'm at - Guadosalam - my party is tremendously weaker than if I were playing vanilla sphere grid. Auron has a mere 1600 hp, and when he's poisoned, he receives a whopping 400 damage per turn. 4 turns or less with that, and he's dead. Sphere levels can also be somewhat less uncommon at this point, too. So your party is stuck with it. The enemy variety is still poor, but the game balance has been fully impacted and it's truly the superior game because of it. I'm losing at places I normally would win at (like fights with Brigandine) simply because my stats aren't up to snuff. Of course, it's not full on hard or anything, but it makes a much more balanced and exciting game experience that was previously absent.

Final Fantasy X has always been a game where the story and characters were far better than the actual gameplay itself. With FFX International, the gameplay is finally almost on par with the story.

Fuck you Squaresoft for never releasing this way back when.

Haven't beaten the game yet, but so far, this thing is pushing FFX out of low-tier FF territory and more into an upper-mid tier game like FFIV.

I can't stop playing it, and I'm actively excited to play it when I'm out. I haven't felt like that about Final Fantasy in...who knows how long. It feels like I'm experiencing the game again for the first time.

Cannot WAIT to get to the Dark Aeons.

funny how we europeans got the international version back in the day.

[Himu]

Magus, you have a tendancy to go for the most ocd and tedious path to playing games even if it breaks them and makes too easy. I think I'll be fine without replacing nodes.

[SantaC]

Penance is probably the hardest boss in Final Fantasy history. Have fun Himuro.

[ZephyrFate]

Pay Yojimbo.

[Himu]

Penance is probably the hardest boss in Final Fantasy history. Have fun Himuro.

I hear some dark aeons are harder. Also this is a big reason why FF12 is best FF to me. Tough mark bosses - no grindan, just strategy.

[Himu]

Pay Yojimbo.

I'm paying Yojimbo for dark valefor.

[Raban]

Trying to finish AC4 before playing this... god I hate AC4.

stream it so we can lose our sanity together

[ZephyrFate]

Pay Yojimbo.

I'm paying Yojimbo for dark valefor.

If you get his affinity with you up enough, it doesn't cost very much to get Zanmato. So you could potentially do it for everything.

and as far as Mark bosses go, the strategy doesn't change up very much. Even Yiazmat can be cheesed with ranged weapons and standing on the stairwell.

[magus]

Pay Yojimbo.

I'm paying Yojimbo for dark valefor.

> want to kill all of the dark aeons
> use yojimbo for the first one

[Himu]

I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to want the Jecht sphere and get Auron ultimate OD asap.

[magus]

I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to want the Jecht sphere and get Auron ultimate OD asap.

even penance can be instakilled through yojimbo, doing them with yojimbo is pretty much the same as doing them with an invincibility cheat

[AdmiralViscen]

It's really stupid that killing the Chocobo Eater without knocking him off the cliff means you miss 2 lvl1 Key Spheres. I tried three times and kept killing him. The last time I used three high potions on him to keep him alive but the lost turns for that meant that he kept pushing me back to the middle and wasting my fucking time.

[Bebpo]

Well, gj Himuro, you sold me on replaying FFX and X-2.  Picked up the Vita versions.

[Joe Molotov]

Started FFX on the Viter today.

[Himu]

It's really stupid that killing the Chocobo Eater without knocking him off the cliff means you miss 2 lvl1 Key Spheres. I tried three times and kept killing him. The last time I used three high potions on him to keep him alive but the lost turns for that meant that he kept pushing me back to the middle and wasting my fucking time.

Don't worry about it. You get 4 level 1 spheres at the Moonflow.

[Himu]

I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to want the Jecht sphere and get Auron ultimate OD asap.

even penance can be instakilled through yojimbo, doing them with yojimbo is pretty much the same as doing them with an invincibility cheat

> have issues with tedious grinding
> has issues with using gameplay system to get an advantage

All I wanna do is get the Jecht sphere, then concentrate on building my guys up. I MAY fight DV fair, but who knows. Or I MAY backtrack to Besaid once I beat the sphere boss at Macalania. We'll see.

[AdmiralViscen]

It's really stupid that killing the Chocobo Eater without knocking him off the cliff means you miss 2 lvl1 Key Spheres. I tried three times and kept killing him. The last time I used three high potions on him to keep him alive but the lost turns for that meant that he kept pushing me back to the middle and wasting my fucking time.

Don't worry about it. You get 4 level 1 spheres at the Moonflow.

I used one for a short offshoot for Lulu, I've got another short offshoot for Yuna, and I want Kimahri to enter Wakka's area soon, and then 2 more to get him into Rikku's.

How far along is Moonflow? Is there a place I can farm them? I'm approaching the command center of Mi'hen now.

[Himu]

Moonflow is after Djose which is after Operation Mi'ihen.

[Himu]

Well, gj Himuro, you sold me on replaying FFX and X-2.  Picked up the Vita versions.

Great thing about playing FFX post-FFXIII is that you get to see first hand, the main inspiration for FF13 and how much they failed to capture the feel off FF10. I cannot stop playing FF10, just like how I couldn't stop playing when it came out. So despite its flaws, it does something right. One of those things is linearity; it has a constant stream of new areas and content and features despite being linear as all fuck. In the first four hours you go from Zanarkand, to the abandoned fortress, to an Al Bhed ship and underwater plant to salvage an airship, to Besaid, two boat ferry rides, Kilika, and finally Luca. In four hours in FF13, you are probably just arriving in the second area. The pacing is god awful.

Then there's the method of storytelling. Again, X has 13 and most FF's beat: religion;  sports; politics; how the people live; their fears;  their history; where they're going and how they got there; their culture and ticks; their divisions of race, factions,  religion between Al Bhed, Yevonites, and the Crusaders. We learn about shoopufs, and pyreflies, and farplanes. We know so much about the world of FFX, and the way it skillfully tells us all of this is nothing short of masterful. Then look at 13. L'cie, C'ith, C'ie. All this shit that the game assumes we know, that it inelegantly explains. How do the people of Cocoon even live? What are their customs? Shit is so one-dimensional and boring.

[AdmiralViscen]

In my first playthrough I made Kimahri a black mage for something and he was worthless. In other attempts to play the game I ignored him completely.

In this run I have tried to put him into battle as much as possible so that he doesn't fall behind. I've nailed down the whole center and then I want to get Steal/Use. After that, it's either stopping in Wakka for Blind/Silence and then settling in at Tidus', or just sticking with Wakka's. Thoughts?

[Himu]

Sounds good to me, but make sure he's strong by the time he fights Biran and Yenke at Gagazet.

Do whatever you want with Kimahri. On the expert grid, he's literally smack dab in the middle and can go anywhere he wants. I'm personally putting him on Tidus' path, ability-wise.

[magus]

I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to want the Jecht sphere and get Auron ultimate OD asap.

even penance can be instakilled through yojimbo, doing them with yojimbo is pretty much the same as doing them with an invincibility cheat

> have issues with tedious grinding
> has issues with using gameplay system to get an advantage

All I wanna do is get the Jecht sphere, then concentrate on building my guys up. I MAY fight DV fair, but who knows. Or I MAY backtrack to Besaid once I beat the sphere boss at Macalania. We'll see.

i have no issues with tedious grinding but the dark aeons really add nothing other than giving you an excuse to do so and therefore waste more time on the game, and you are the one who's all like "i'm going to beat them without grinding!" and then deciding that using a move that skip the whole fight is "using gameplay system to get an advantage"

not to mention it still take a lot of money for yojimbo to use zanmato on them so there is still chore for you to do, double

[Himu]

Actually, they add plenty. I'm already planning a playthrough around them, so I can avoid them and planning ahead. In vanilla FFX, the only means to test your strength are the arena monsters. This is like saying Ruby and Emerald weapon don't add anything to FF7. Stop, just stop.

Also, I have no reason to trust you in regards to chores. FFX's end-game is already a chore. But dark aeons give you a good reason to stick with it. In vanilla FFX, we did all you're talking about WITHOUT Dark Aeons. More than that, you have shown time and time again that YOU make your own chores in games. You're the person who said you have to grind in FFV. PLEASE. Magus. STAHP.

[SantaC]

I think Wakkas ultimate limitbreak is the best in the game. Does damage in the millions if I am not wrong.

[Himu]

yeah, i'ma get that one. Just need to win more battles till reels are unlocked in blitz.

[magus]

Actually, they add plenty. I'm already planning a playthrough around them, so I can avoid them and planning ahead. In vanilla FFX, the only means to test your strength are the arena monsters. This is like saying Ruby and Emerald weapon don't add anything to FF7. Stop, just stop.

they... don't? this is what the average ruby weapon fight looks like

Also, I have no reason to trust you in regards to chores. FFX's end-game is already a chore. But dark aeons give you a good reason to stick with it. In vanilla FFX, we did all you're talking about WITHOUT Dark Aeons. More than that, you have shown time and time again that YOU make your own chores in games. You're the person who said you have to grind in FFV. PLEASE. Magus. STAHP.

i never said that you have to grind in FFV, just that i think the job system is stupid because in the end you want a party full of people that double wield and quatra attack which make the game trivial...

...but really i'm not saying "don't do it because it's a chore" i'm saying don't do it because the dark aeons fight just aren't interessing and your reward for doing them all is a secret boss that is more frustating than anything else

 so what can i say,i'll have my fun when you'll realize you wasted your time trying to reach penance

[Himu]

> has problem with ff5 balance issues
> favorite ff is ff7 where 4x cut, kotr, mime, and more make the game easier than a pop star on a saturday night, and the game is already easy

My point is that you tell me in order to beat Dark Aeons and Penance, I have to grind and replace nodes. But you also give full party in FF5 quatra attack and double wield, so clearly, you cannot help yourself when it comes to breaking a game wide open to make it easier for you.

The entire end game of FFX is already pointless. The only thing the grinding is even for in vanilla FFX is the monster arena. The monster arena is the same shit as the dark aeons: window dressing. Fuck. Let me enjoy this new content I've never experienced before and shut the fuck up, dude.

[recursivelyenumerable]

favorite ff is ff7 where 4x cut, kotr, mime, and more make the game easier than a pop star on a saturday night

I don't understand this analogy at all. Like, do you have a lot of experience seducing pop stars

[Himu]

Am I really going to have to explain what the term 'easy' means in relation to this?

[recursivelyenumerable]

No, you could just ignore my post if you like. But I really don't understand how that analogy works.

[recursivelyenumerable]

You kind of inspired me to start playing Dissidia again ...

[Joe Molotov]

I'm in the same boat as recursive, but I'm enjoying the dork slap fight, so by all means, carry on.

It's funner than a popstar on Wednesday morning.

[Rahxephon91]

Man I hate blitzball so much.

[magus]

blitzball is easy, just ditch your sucky starting member, recruit some of the player with the better stat and abuse the shit out of tidus special shots

Real talk: if you don't hate blitzball, there's something very wrong with you.

would you listen to someone that live in a trashcan? i wouldn't!

[recursivelyenumerable]

isn't blitzball supposed to be a clone of Captain Tsubasa?

[Himu]

Blitzball in FFX is totally fine and is really fun. The first match is bullshit because everything is totally stacked against you, but it's really easy to gain your favor. Past that, it's great.

[Himu]

Recruiting players, waiting for free agents, and traveling the world for the best players is really fun. The actual game of blitz becomes a triviality because when you get a good team, boy you're in the green - but it's just like any rpg side game in that matter.

[magus]

Would you *play* a whole game based around the actual playing of blitzball as it is in FFX?

based on my experience with inazuma eleven which is the closest thing to "BLITZBALL: THE GAME" i'd say there is potential in it but they fucked it up by making the rule too nebulous,the gameplay too repetitive and the actual game too easy which are all thing you don't end up noticing when the thing you are playing is a mini-game

oh wait, "would you buy", I'm talking to magoose, the ever-leeching cunt.

come on oscar, blitzball is more amusing than this insult, you can do better than that

[Himu]

Would you buy a whole game based around the actual playing of blitzball as it is in FFX?

No.

It needs a lot of work, but it's still fun and matches are just 10 minutes.

The idea of blitz is fantastic. Someone told me Inazuma is like Blitz in that you travel the world and make the best team. So I plan on trying that out.

For one thing, Blitz needs to not be turn based. It needs be completely action-based like any sports title. Keep the stats, just like any sports game, and keep the levels, but Blitz needs to play like fucking NBA Street.

[Himu]

About to do 200 bolt dodges.

Took my anti-androgen.

Grabbing a beer.

Let's do this.

edit: Fuck that. Input lag makes it tough in the area where it's easiest. The other area is easy, but there's encounters there and it's easy to break concentration. Waiting for this when I get enc-none.

[Positive Touch]

Recruiting players, waiting for free agents, and traveling the world for the best players is really fun. The actual game of blitz becomes a triviality because when you get a good team, boy you're in the green - but it's just like any rpg side game in that matter.

all worthless because after like three rounds tidus is strong enough to shoot past the whole team. then it's just grinding out 50+ matches to get the dumb special move. IT SUCKS

[Shaka Khan]

[Himu]

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[SantaC]

aleast it isnt microtransactions!

[Human Snorenado]

Recruiting players, waiting for free agents, and traveling the world for the best players is really fun. The actual game of blitz becomes a triviality because when you get a good team, boy you're in the green - but it's just like any rpg side game in that matter.

all worthless because after like three rounds tidus is strong enough to shoot past the whole team. then it's just grinding out 50+ matches to get the dumb special move. IT SUCKS

You're talking to someone who loves The Sims and lamented that SR IV took away the boring parts of open world games. Also, the whole Shenmue thing.