Author Topic: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately (Read 50917 times)

Himu · « **Reply #300 on:** March 26, 2014, 05:59:46 PM »

Beat Seymour at Gagazet on second try. Still a great boss fight.

nachobro · « **Reply #301 on:** March 26, 2014, 06:48:23 PM »

Himu, you using Expert or Standard sphere grid? I'm using Expert for the first time on this and it seems to be a bit harder, but maybe that's just me.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #302 on:** March 26, 2014, 07:29:05 PM »

Rikku is fucking annoying. is there a boss fight later where I have to use her, or split my party and use her in half of it? Kimahri has steal and I want to never use her.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #303 on:** March 26, 2014, 07:33:52 PM »

Love Rikku. She becomes my healer when Yuna is gone thanks to those Al bhed potions.

Also liked Selphie. Can't stand Yuffie or most of VII's cast though. Not sure what this makes me.

Himu · « **Reply #304 on:** March 26, 2014, 09:03:05 PM »

I love Maya and Pearls! They're so cute and energetic! Just a character type I've always been fond of.

Himu · « **Reply #305 on:** March 26, 2014, 09:08:11 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on March 26, 2014, 06:48:23 PM

Himu, you using Expert or Standard sphere grid? I'm using Expert for the first time on this and it seems to be a bit harder, but maybe that's just me.

Expert.

I noted this earlier in the thread. I'm almost at Zanarkand and I've NEVER played a run of FFX as balanced as this difficulty wise.

If you have played FFX before go expert, people.

I accidentally put Yuna on Rikku's path and I forgot nodes and shit for Wakka because the path diverges. You can get lost on the expert grid and when you make choices it is best to concentrate on the grid and finding the characters path you are using rather than just mindlessly put in nodes like in the original.

Tidus for example I put on Auron's path and that nicca has high Def and regular monsters can still fuck his shit up. Expert grid is fucking awesome and I feel sorry for any person who went standard.

Tidus is almost done with Auron's path. Gonna put him on his own path after.

Huff · « **Reply #306 on:** March 26, 2014, 10:46:38 PM »

Have both yuna and lulu with black magic early on is pretty tight. Might have kinda broke the game a bit. Just got to the crusaders/albed v sin battle

Himu · « **Reply #307 on:** March 26, 2014, 10:47:55 PM »

who's learning white magic

Huff · « **Reply #308 on:** March 26, 2014, 11:33:15 PM »

yuna still. she just takes a detour into lulus every now and then. shes a little behind on white magic skills but worth it so far. have won a couple return spheres in blitz going for wakkas reels so its not as bad as it could have been

nachobro · « **Reply #309 on:** March 27, 2014, 12:26:46 AM »

I've been doing that too. Yuna's path weaves in and out of Lulu's, but magic is just so good that it's awesome to have two Black Mages. I have Kimahri on Rikku's path right now but I sorta regret not going BLM with him too.

Having two thieves is nice for just getting stacks of items though, and it makes that desert section easy as hell.

Himu · « **Reply #310 on:** March 27, 2014, 03:18:14 AM »

I'd put kimahri on aurons path to me him useful for a change.

Yeah, you can put yuna on Lu's path and vice versa quite a bit. They're often right next to each other. I personally refuse to do that. I'm going to have every character go through the whole grid on another save for the trophy. But my main save is going to have them all cover every characters path but avoiding ability spheres and that way they'll all be fuck strong BUT still unique.

And damn Yunalesca is crazy in expert grid version. Ffffuuuucck. Hardest boss so far. Yunalesca is never this tough for me. Always beat her my first time fighting her every run.

Fuck no skip feature. :mad I mad.

Himu · « **Reply #311 on:** March 27, 2014, 03:42:16 AM »

Lol forgot the trick is to leave zombie on. Yunalesca-sama knocked out.

Oh. And get the sun crest immediately after beating Yunalesca or risk the wrath of Dark Bahamut.

nachobro · « **Reply #312 on:** March 27, 2014, 12:01:31 PM »

Yeah I remember the zombie mode trick from the Brady guide back in the day.

That and using two Phoenix Downs on undead Evrae seemed so broken to younger me.

Didn't play any last night cause i cut my damn finger open, but took a sick day off work today so I think I'll get into it. Heading to Bevelle right now.

demi · « **Reply #313 on:** March 27, 2014, 12:05:20 PM »

The Yunalesca part has the best scene in the whole game with Auron, why would you want to skip that?

NOW IS THE TIME

TO MAKE YOUR STORY

SOMETHING SOMETHING

Himu · « **Reply #314 on:** March 27, 2014, 01:30:09 PM »

Because it's a long cutscene and if you die you have to watch again.

Oh well, only had to see it twice. Knocked her out the second time.

And Yuna has the best lines in that scene. Because she's the best Final Fantasy character.

Himu · « **Reply #315 on:** March 27, 2014, 01:34:58 PM »

Probably top 5 best Final Fantasy scenes.

Ever.

FFX

The best Final Fantasy plot and characters

Himu · « **Reply #316 on:** March 27, 2014, 01:43:12 PM »

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #317 on:** March 27, 2014, 02:35:41 PM »

Quote from: demi on March 27, 2014, 12:05:20 PM

SOMETHING SOMETHING

That's pretty much all I remember of the FFX story.

nachobro · « **Reply #318 on:** March 27, 2014, 03:16:16 PM »

Y'know people call Tidus a bitch but really Wakka is the biggest pussy in the game. Everything they do he's like "...I dunno about this guys".

SantaC · « **Reply #319 on:** March 27, 2014, 03:34:00 PM »

the characters from FFX isnt that good. Everyone is complaining that the characters in FFXIII is terrible, but FFX cast is not really any better.

my favorite cast is from FFIX for sure.

demi · « **Reply #320 on:** March 27, 2014, 03:36:07 PM »

oh yea? well they fucking suck too.

Himu · « **Reply #321 on:** March 27, 2014, 03:44:49 PM »

Quote from: TalesofWin on March 27, 2014, 03:34:00 PM

the characters from FFX isnt that good. Everyone is complaining that the characters in FFXIII is terrible, but FFX cast is not really any better.

my favorite cast is from FFIX for sure.

FF13 characters have almost no character development. Every character in X has development.

SantaC · « **Reply #322 on:** March 27, 2014, 03:48:29 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 27, 2014, 03:44:49 PM

Quote from: TalesofWin on March 27, 2014, 03:34:00 PM
the characters from FFX isnt that good. Everyone is complaining that the characters in FFXIII is terrible, but FFX cast is not really any better.

my favorite cast is from FFIX for sure.

FF13 characters have almost no character development. Every character in X has development.

wakka has character development? that's news to me.

Himu · « **Reply #323 on:** March 27, 2014, 03:55:33 PM »

Quote from: TalesofWin on March 27, 2014, 03:48:29 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 27, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: TalesofWin on March 27, 2014, 03:34:00 PM
the characters from FFX isnt that good. Everyone is complaining that the characters in FFXIII is terrible, but FFX cast is not really any better.

my favorite cast is from FFIX for sure.

FF13 characters have almost no character development. Every character in X has development.

wakka has character development? that's news to me.

Wakka grows from a fundamentalist Yevonite, with a hate for machina and Al Bed for the death of his brother to an open-minded guy who realizes that he was a close minded jerk (he even says this when you get the airship) who realizes that everything he lived abd preached was a sham. Wakka continuously makes excuses, and finds ways to rationalize and perhaps find a way to think of Chappu as not dead. His relationship with Tidus, his relationship with Lulu, his conflict with Rikku and compromising his friendship due to religion, and his dedication to Yevon as a religion are all well writtrn. Wakka is a fantastically written character and his representation of the average Spiran is great.

And you question if he had character development?

Please remind me to never discuss stories with you next time this comes up.

Quote from: nachobro on March 27, 2014, 03:16:16 PM

Y'know people call Tidus a bitch but really Wakka is the biggest pussy in the game. Everything they do he's like "...I dunno about this guys".

People who call Tidus a bitch are distinguished mentally-challenged. They probably jack off to Terra going "what is love?" Too. I can understand not liking Tidus, but FF main characters have traditionally been of the emotional type. Cecil going on a personal journey for redemption, Bartz trying to secure his fathers legacy, Terra trying to find love and Celes trying to kill herself, Cloud and his nervous breakdowns and identity crisis, Squall's abandonment issues, Tidus' struggle to reconcile hid relationship with his past and his father and Yuna's journey of sacrifice, Ashe's struggle to destroy Archadia for revenge or for her people.

It is like, what series have they been playing? Is it because IV-IX don't have VA?

The main exception is Zidane, and he has a mental breakdown with cheesy rock music in the background on disc 3.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #324 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:01:32 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 27, 2014, 01:34:58 PM

Probably top 5 best Final Fantasy scenes.

Ever.

FFX The best Final Fantasy plot and characters

Oh no it's cool let's totally forget FFIX was superior in both ways completely and entirely

Himu · « **Reply #325 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:02:18 PM »

Goddamit.

nachobro · « **Reply #326 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:03:20 PM »

I think VA brought a lot of issues people had to the forefront. With just text you can read things a lot of ways. With VA the tone of the actor doesn't leave much to interpretation.

Tidus never bothered me too much. He's a spoiled, emotional sports star with dad issues that is dropped into a third world country where no one knows who he is and forced to fight monsters to survive. It'd be like putting

in an RPG.

Himu · « **Reply #327 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:06:30 PM »

Tidus is a great mirror into the world of Spira. He's confident, cocky (sports jock), positive, funny, and a bit spoiled and maybe more than a little naive but he has heart. Tidus' journey from resenting his father to trying to save Yuna, to accepting his fate after they beat Sin for the woman - and by extension, world - he loves, to the reconciliation with Jecht as they high five in the far plane is

Such a great character. Suck it haters.

demi · « **Reply #328 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:09:48 PM »

i hate you~

Himu · « **Reply #329 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:12:34 PM »

What? I didn't hear you.

I HATE YOU.

Eh?

YOU CAN DO IT!

nachobro · « **Reply #330 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:14:53 PM »

You've really grown

Yeah, but you're still bigger

Well, I am Sin, you know

That's not funny

Himu · « **Reply #331 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:15:59 PM »

Ah, such words would be unbecoming of a summonerrrrrrrr

Sound like Maester Mika?

nachobro · « **Reply #332 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:18:31 PM »

They said Seymour went to Macarena Temple

Himu · « **Reply #333 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:20:55 PM »

Ahahahaha

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #334 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:32:10 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #335 on:** March 27, 2014, 04:47:03 PM »

Yessssss!

Brudda.

Owl-faced Wizard · « **Reply #336 on:** March 27, 2014, 07:11:40 PM »

FFX is one of the worst pieces of shit ever squeezed out of a major publisher.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #337 on:** March 27, 2014, 07:22:39 PM »

awesome story dude

Owl-faced Wizard · « **Reply #338 on:** March 27, 2014, 07:26:55 PM »

kill yourself

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #339 on:** March 27, 2014, 07:35:34 PM »

I'm up to where I get Rikku. I'm really enjoying playing this again, even though I think I played FFX last year. It really is my favorite FF if not game in general.

I've been using Kimarhi a bit more and he's pretty useful. Though he is actually always how I beat Yu Yevon since I just cast death with his Overdrive. He's the secret best character honestly.

Game looks pretty good or at least the main characters and environment do. Also quite honestly Tidus' voice is really good. He sounds like a blond and dumb yet not a douche sports dude.

I don't know. The game is pretty great.

Himu · « **Reply #340 on:** March 27, 2014, 09:01:37 PM »

Tidus is not dumb. You can tell he's highly introspective because of the narration. He often says things he was thinking and held back at the time. And many of these things are smart. What Tidus says to other people isn't a true testament of his intellect or personality, his narration is. A good example is when Wakka shows him the prayer. He already knows that "prayer", it is the Blitzball pose for victory. So he knows Yevon is full of shit - or at least sketchy - out the gate, but keeps it to himself for respect.

It is kinda like Max Payne. Max Payne out of game naaration is crass and cusses and does so to fit in. But inside Max Payne's head is a whole another ball game and the true strength of his character.

Himu · « **Reply #341 on:** March 27, 2014, 09:04:19 PM »

And holy shit. I cannot do anything right now because my party is so weak. Can't go inside Sin, can't fuck around Omega. I'm going to fuck around Zanarkand Ruins and get enough money for Yojimbo and then try to get Anima.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #342 on:** March 27, 2014, 09:24:00 PM »

I didn't say Tidus was dumb, but his first impression and surface personality is of a dumb, but care free sports dude. He's all about hitting on girls, playing his sports game, and little else. The voice acting nails this. When it comes time to reveal his actual substance, the voice acting does it's job as well.

I'm just going to stay out of the Himu presents FFX thread.

Himu · « **Reply #343 on:** March 27, 2014, 09:49:13 PM »

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on March 27, 2014, 09:24:00 PM

I didn't say Tidus was dumb, but his first impression and surface personality is of a dumb, but care free sports dude. He's all about hitting on girls, playing his sports game, and little else. The voice acting nails this. When it comes time to reveal his actual substance, the voice acting does it's job as well.

I'm just going to stay out of the Himu presents FFX thread.

I just never got this from him I guess. There's an intro scene but nothing about it screams dumb. And as soon as the intro is over, his priority is getting home and helping out when he can.

Owl-faced Wizard · « **Reply #344 on:** March 27, 2014, 09:51:34 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on March 27, 2014, 09:36:29 PM

all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series. it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows. maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure? zack in crisis core kinda? laguna?

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'. serviceable, sure. taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah. fantastic? no, come on. it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

FFX writing is a good deal worse than a typical anime, be real.

Himu · « **Reply #345 on:** March 27, 2014, 09:55:37 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on March 27, 2014, 09:36:29 PM

all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series. it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows. maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure? zack in crisis core kinda? laguna?

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'. serviceable, sure. taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah. fantastic? no, come on. it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

Final Fantasy is definitely shounen anime. I don't think anyone here would disagree.

But that doesn't mean shounen can't be written in a great and endearing manner. When I say fantastic writing, I'm not comparing it to The Wire. I'm just enjoying the characters and the ride. One Piece is fantastic and it is a shounen. It is my favorite comic book. By that metric, we should never use the term fantastic writing for American comic books. After all, they're mostly about cape crusaders targeted at a very specific audience. That doesn't mean they cannot be highly endearing.

In relation to Final Fantasy stories and presentation, I can understand not liking it. But it works for me and it is one of the prime reasons I've been a fan so long.

magus · « **Reply #346 on:** March 27, 2014, 09:58:26 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on March 27, 2014, 09:36:29 PM

all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series. it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows. maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure? zack in crisis core kinda? laguna?

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'. serviceable, sure. taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah. fantastic? no, come on. it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

i tought oscar could at least relate to FF7 cid

Himu · « **Reply #347 on:** March 27, 2014, 10:02:34 PM »

Final Fantasy stories are typically not very good. I make exceptions for VI and X, however. FF is better at story presentation than actual plot and storytelling. But it does what it does well very well. Plus, the characters are usually inoffensive and fun.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #348 on:** March 27, 2014, 10:03:59 PM »

wahts shounen

Himu · « **Reply #349 on:** March 27, 2014, 10:05:24 PM »

Means boys. So it is Japanese media meant for boys. Choice picks are Dragon Ball, Naruto, and One Piece.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #350 on:** March 27, 2014, 10:13:16 PM »

Oh

I'm in the desert, how far to the ending cutscene? I figure I'm about 2/3rds

Positive Touch · « **Reply #351 on:** March 27, 2014, 10:14:00 PM »

far away

Himu · « **Reply #352 on:** March 27, 2014, 10:16:27 PM »

Long time

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #353 on:** March 27, 2014, 10:19:19 PM »

Really? All I remember is Bevelle and Ronsoland. Calm lands and Zanarkand are brief aren't they?

Himu · « **Reply #354 on:** March 27, 2014, 10:26:32 PM »

Well, that's the target audience of FF. Adults certainly aren't.

Raban · « **Reply #355 on:** March 27, 2014, 11:51:08 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on March 27, 2014, 09:36:29 PM

all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series. it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows. maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure? zack in crisis core kinda? laguna?

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'. serviceable, sure. taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah. fantastic? no, come on. it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

you know I've always wanted to say exactly this but I was always afraid I'd get dogpiled on. Thank you.

Himu · « **Reply #356 on:** March 27, 2014, 11:55:13 PM »

Really? It's a common opinion.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #357 on:** March 28, 2014, 12:07:32 AM »

I'm sorry FF writing dosent hit the high bar set by Metriod other m.

Himu · « **Reply #358 on:** March 28, 2014, 12:13:27 AM »

Raban · « **Reply #359 on:** March 28, 2014, 12:18:08 AM »

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on March 28, 2014, 12:07:32 AM

I'm sorry FF writing dosent hit the high bar set by Metriod other m.

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Author Topic: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately (Read 50917 times)