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Rahxephon91

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« Reply #360 on: March 28, 2014, 12:46:48 AM »
It's ok. I like Final Fantasy XIII.

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« Reply #361 on: March 28, 2014, 07:29:28 AM »
all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series.  it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows.  maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure?  zack in crisis core kinda?  laguna? 

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'.  serviceable, sure.  taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah.  fantastic?  no, come on.  it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

it's no secret that himuro has super low standards when he is estastic over a 10 year old FF game.

gameplay is fun in FFX. The rest is shit.


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« Reply #362 on: March 28, 2014, 12:42:29 PM »
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.
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« Reply #363 on: March 28, 2014, 12:52:53 PM »
They felt the Bevelle Temple design was 100% perfect I guess, ok

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« Reply #364 on: March 28, 2014, 12:54:23 PM »
you mean the cloister? It's terrible. But I find the Zanarkand cloister even worse.
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« Reply #365 on: March 28, 2014, 03:32:34 PM »
all this FF character talk is doing is reminding me that horribly written characters are the norm in the series.  it really is shounen anime.

i'm trying hard right now to think of *any* character in the whole series that wasn't an overplayed stereotype following the exact same story beats their type always follows.  maybe some of the 12 cast before the story goes bye-bye with matsuno's departure?  zack in crisis core kinda?  laguna? 

i'd be embarrassed to call anything from this series 'fantastic writing'.  serviceable, sure.  taking reasonably good advantage of cheap emotional pops, yeah.  fantastic?  no, come on.  it's typical anime crap from the first game to the very latest, except for the one time it tried some decent boring political drama and died halfway up its own ass.

it's no secret that himuro has super low standards when he is estastic over a 10 year old FF game.

gameplay is fun in FFX. The rest is shit.
Very convincing argument.

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« Reply #366 on: March 28, 2014, 03:40:13 PM »
Zanarkand cloister is annoying cause you have to go back later to get the secret item to allow you to unlock Anima.

Question on the Dark Aeon stuff...do the fights start automatically when you enter the area they are in or do you have to talk to someone to start the fight? I need to go back to some sections for Al Bhed manuals and for Valefor's second overdrive but don't want to get trapped in some fight that I won't be able to win.

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« Reply #367 on: March 28, 2014, 03:42:13 PM »
Rah let's double team on this nicca
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« Reply #368 on: March 28, 2014, 03:44:36 PM »
Zanarkand cloister is annoying cause you have to go back later to get the secret item to allow you to unlock Anima.

Question on the Dark Aeon stuff...do the fights start automatically when you enter the area they are in or do you have to talk to someone to start the fight? I need to go back to some sections for Al Bhed manuals and for Valefor's second overdrive but don't want to get trapped in some fight that I won't be able to win.

You cannot go inside besaid (town). A cut scene will trigger and you'll fight dark valefor. Depends on the dark aeon. Dark bahamut just fights you instantly if you get in that area. Dark Ixion you have to talk to people iirc.
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« Reply #369 on: March 28, 2014, 03:46:30 PM »
Goddamnit. Gonna have to level up before I can get that second Overdrive. :maf

Any dark aeons at the Moonflow? That's where my missing Al Bhed Primer is.

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« Reply #370 on: March 28, 2014, 03:50:38 PM »
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i) Dark Valefor (DAV)
LOCATION: Entrance to Besaid Village NOT beach. An event will occur where the
Summoner calls Yuna an infidel and sends Dark Valefor charging at you.

ii) Dark Ifrit (DAI)
LOCATION: Bikanel Island. The area before the entrance of Home, where you
started the Cactuar mini-game for Rikku’s Sigil. Talk to the Al Bhed
woman who claims she has lost her child in the ruins of Home, select Yes, then
watch the events that follow. When you walk to the cliff, the Al Bhed woman
will show herself as a Dark Summoner.

iii) Dark Ixion (DAIX)
LOCATION: Thunder Plains. Exit the Agency (where the airship drops you off)
and head north. Continue north and you notice a Bevelle solider resting under
a Lightning tower. Talk to him and he calls you a heathen and watch the events
that follow. You are required to fight Dark Ixion twice.

iv) Dark Shiva (DAS)
LOCATION: Head back to Macalania Temple. Walk to the entrance and the old
Guado will summon Dark Shiva who snaps at you.

v) Dark Bahamut (DAB)
LOCATION: Zanarkand Ruins, at the area where you fought Yunalesca. Dark
Bahamut will self-station himself there.

vi) Dark Yojimbo (DAYO)
LOCATION: Cavern of the Stolen Fayth, go to the back of the cavern using
either the teleport pad or walking there, then head back to the direction of
the Save Sphere and watch the events that follow. You are required to fight
Dark Yojimbo FIVE times.

vii) Dark Anima (DAA)
LOCATION: Mt.Gagazet. From the point where the airship drops you off, take the
teleport pad to ‘Cave Entrance’. This was the cave where you had
to solve a simple puzzle to form paths leading to the summit. Anyways, head
north downwards (do not take the stairs leading up) and then swim towards
north. Remember the ball-throwing puzzle? Do it again and when you hit the
center, Dark Anima will be pulled out of the ground. Save before fighting.


viii) Dark Magus Sisters (DAMS)
LOCATION FOR ALL 3: Mushroom Rock Road, enter via exit of Mi’ihen
Highroad. Walk in between the 2 summoners who are talking to each other, a
scene will occur. Run to the left at the nearest fork. Take the elevator up
and a cat and mouse chase game will occur. Your objective is to run until
Cindy (the fat one tires out). But if you are good enough, you can make it to
the end of the valley, take the elevator up, after the short scene, BEAT THEM
UP ONE BY ONE! Dark Cindy will be at the same place where she tired out.
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« Reply #371 on: March 28, 2014, 03:52:35 PM »
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You are required to fight Dark Yojimbo FIVE times.
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« Reply #372 on: March 28, 2014, 03:54:18 PM »
:shaq

Bring it.
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« Reply #373 on: March 28, 2014, 04:06:23 PM »
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.

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« Reply #374 on: March 28, 2014, 04:08:52 PM »
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.

talking to himuro is like talking to a sassy black girl

"what do you mean my dress doesn't match? haven't you seen your shoes gurlllllllll! :gurl"

Someone tell him.
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #375 on: March 28, 2014, 04:13:27 PM »
Tell him what? You certainly aren't anywhere near sassy or black.
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« Reply #376 on: March 28, 2014, 05:00:23 PM »
TELL HIM.
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« Reply #377 on: March 28, 2014, 05:46:17 PM »
dun care :tocry
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« Reply #379 on: March 28, 2014, 07:04:29 PM »
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.

Like it is hard to find a better story than FFX? Since you shat on Tales I might as well say Tales of the Abyss. Atleast it has some real character development with Luke being an asshole the first half of the game to really become regretful and decent the other half.

edit: congrats on dodging lightning 200 times in a row. It was sooooo boring and I dont remember the award. Atleast I THINK it was something good.


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« Reply #380 on: March 28, 2014, 07:14:19 PM »
Is it fair to say that X's story is really well executed then? Sure it's cliched (it's a jrpg) but it doesn't suck either. And Vesperia has a good plot too. Jrpgtards are a dying breed, get along damn it.
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« Reply #381 on: March 28, 2014, 07:18:03 PM »
X's story is :heartbeat
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« Reply #382 on: March 28, 2014, 07:19:25 PM »
Someone with a Tales of username talks of low standards.

Final Fantasy X is probably the most popular FF story. Not that popularity means quality in a series with VII in it, but I think it is for a reason. It was the first FF to have a sequel, after all. It has one of the best endings in the series, and has cool story arcs, and nice personal touches. I'm certainly not alone in this - FFX's story is highly enjoyable.

Yet you can't decipher the character development in Wakka, which is as subtle as a rhino in drag. I'd like to know what rpg stories you find better.

Like it is hard to find a better story than FFX? Since you shat on Tales I might as well say Tales of the Abyss. Atleast it has some real character development with Luke being an asshole the first half of the game to really become regretful and decent the other half.

edit: congrats on dodging lightning 200 times in a row. It was sooooo boring and I dont remember the award. Atleast I THINK it was something good.

Thanks! The trick is to listen to your favorite album. By the 4th or 5th track - assuming they're full length songs - you should have it.

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« Reply #383 on: March 28, 2014, 07:24:30 PM »
Yuna acting the ways she does in X2 doesn't make any sense considering what her main motive is plotwise. But hey, dresspheres? :uguu
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« Reply #384 on: March 28, 2014, 07:26:04 PM »

Is it fair to say that X's story is really well executed then? Sure it's cliched (it's a jrpg) but it doesn't suck either. And Vesperia has a good plot too. Jrpgtards are a dying breed, get along damn it.

ah-ah-ah-ah

no

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edit: congrats on dodging lightning 200 times in a row. It was sooooo boring and I dont remember the award. Atleast I THINK it was something good.

you get lulu ultimate weapon, which is basicaly useless since her limit sucks way more compared to the like of tidus,wakka,auron and rikku

It's decent enough on the whole by genre standards, I'd say.

i remember really liking FFX plot when it was the first time i went through the game,heck i even got all emotional during the ending but it was the time when square was a shining beacon of light that could do no wrong so i'm not sure it would be the same today

that said wakka wouldn't certainly be the thing i would point as the good parts
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« Reply #385 on: March 28, 2014, 07:34:56 PM »
Yuna acting the ways she does in X2 doesn't make any sense considering what her main motive is plotwise. But hey, dresspheres? :uguu

actually, it makes plenty of sense. she lived her entire life as a yevonite. It has proved to be false. Without Sin, Spira now has the opportunity to change and actually live life. Yuna doesn't have any reason to be the old person she used to be. Plus, she gets most of her stuff from Rikku who she mimics to try and find herself. Plus, you are forgetting the main reason Yuna acts reserved and conservative in FFX is Sin. She wants to defeat Sin, she guards her feelings and emotions because she's literally on a journey to die. She can't live a full life like everyone else can, and this makes her more reserved because she can't have what she always wants, and thinks in a way that will always benefit Spira.

Without Sin and Yevon, why does Yuna have any reason to remain a conservative, reserved young woman two years after she saves the world and can finally live the life she always wanted?

I think X-2's "real" ending ruin X's story, but not the bulk of X-2.

But I've been arguing this for ten years and I'm old.



ah-ah-ah-ah

no

i remember really liking FFX plot when it was the first time i went through the game,heck i even got all emotional during the ending but it was the time when square was a shining beacon of light that could do no wrong so i'm not sure it would be the same today

"I remember really liking FFX's story when it first came out, but now I don't like it because I don't like Square anymore."

:what
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« Reply #386 on: March 28, 2014, 07:36:32 PM »
There's actually plenty of character development in FFX.

I mean you have the two leads who basically do build off of each other. Yuna starts off clearly as someone who is shouldering all the "troubles" on her. She has to, she's Brasaka's daughter. The legacy of that as far as she is concerned has pushed her into this destiny that she herself feels like she has to live up to. I mean the game does constantly remind you of this. Contrast this to Tidus who also is suffocated with the legacy of his father, but instead he just hates his father but has never found closure in it. So he understands Yuna and they can relate. It's just that Yuna needs that push, that reason  to strike away from this destiny she's forced on herself. She needs to stop sentencing herself to death. Tidus does that, in part because he dosen't no any better, but also because he's just a constant source of inspiration to her, to everybody. That's why I like Tidus, he's the most carefree, nice and inspirational lead in the modern 3d FFs. His spirit rises everyone to fight this system basically. Yuna already is a pretty strong and dedicated person, but in the game she actually becomes a hopeful and strong person. She also becomes her own person, because a lot of what she's been doing in the game is for the greater good and not herself.

Tidus too develops. I think he starts off as a pretty silly and carefree sporty dude. He clearly has father issues in that he can't get out of the shadow of his father(like Yuna). Through his journey though he does find strength, strength enough to say that he hates his father to him. Something he couldn't really do before. But it's also that he realizes that he hates and loves his father. He realizes what his actual problems with his dad was. This is all through his interactions with Yuna.  Tidus really becomes a more serious person over the story, kind of coming of age but I don't think FFX is really a coming of age story. He does mature though.

Other characters have their fair share of development.

Wakka is such a narrow minded religious person. Nice guy, but he believes everything Yevon says without reason. When he finds out about Yevon, his life is shattered. He realizes he hate for the Al Behd was wrong. He mellows out really.

Lulu is an ice queen and pretty much can;t get over her past with Wakka's brother.  Again, she mellows out and comes to terms with this. Enough to start a relationship with Wakka.

None of this is the best thing ever, but it does have actual characters who have development. Does Auron? No, but he dosen't need to. He's the old man character, but he's done well. A loyal wise old man, but not emotionless. He cares and loves his friends. There is an aspect of bitterness to him as the reality of Yevon did break him somewhat. Still, he just channeled that into a new resolve. Again he's an actual character with a personality.

Rikku is bubbly cute girl sure. Whatever, she's entertaining enough. Kimiarhi is noble proud warrior race. It's weak, but never offended me.

The game has a solid story. It presents a cool world with the death theme cleverly crafted into it. Spira is a well thought out game world. You understand it's politics, atmosphere, people, and history all pretty well. Well enough for the game to feel like something and it's all pretty much in service to the story.

Compare this to a Tales game where the worlds all feel like the same generic fantasy. Spira feels unique and actually about something.

I like the characters. I feel like the love story between Yuna and Tidus makes sense and is natural. They understand each other because they are very similar and both become stronger because of each other.

I don't know, there's a lot to say about this game. A lot about it that I like. I'm not sure what makes the story bad honestly. I don't think it's the greatest thing ever, but it has enough depth to do what it does. Video game stories are like super hero comic books to me. I don't expect the best writing ever and by definition they are ridiculous things requiring so much suspension of disbelief to work. Good video game stories though give good reasons as to why your suspension of disbelief should work. Good video game stories at least attempt to have some thought out characters. Have a plot that attempts to have some themes or meaning. For the most part I think FFX does and succeeds.
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« Reply #387 on: March 28, 2014, 07:37:40 PM »
Thanks Rah. :heartbeat
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« Reply #388 on: March 28, 2014, 07:45:28 PM »
geez himuro i didn't say that! see what i meant before? you have to twist everything in the most bitchy way possible, you want a list of other games i like so that you can point the rightfull horror about how wrong i are next time or is knowing i like FF13 enough? :beli
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« Reply #389 on: March 28, 2014, 07:46:20 PM »
I think you're forgetting Lulu's role of the explainer, Rah. She's one of the most important characters, because she explains Spira's histories and lore and all the mechanisms for which they live. Also, Lulu's story in relation to her two failed voyages as a guardian.
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« Reply #390 on: March 28, 2014, 07:47:45 PM »
geez himuro i didn't say that! see what i meant before? you have to twist everything in the most bitchy way possible, you want a list of other games i like so that you can point the rightfull horror about how wrong i are next time or is knowing i like FF13 enough? :beli

But that is what you said.

You even admitted to getting emotional to the ending. You have offered no rebuttal. Only "ah ah ah no" and "I used to like it, but that was when Square could do no wrong so now I don't"

So how do you expect someone to interact with that?
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« Reply #391 on: March 28, 2014, 07:49:15 PM »
oooooohhhhhh i'm sorry, let me correct that

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there that's what i wanted to quote instead of the whole message, pinky swear :lol
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« Reply #392 on: March 28, 2014, 08:06:07 PM »
There's a lot I didn't say because I forgot or don't know how to put into writing. FFX has plenty going on.  It's a good game with a good story. I like video game stories or am at least open to liking them. Again, I don't expect some fantastic art or anything. I expect something entertaining and with something I can think about enough. I'm asking for characters who have some sort of personalty and character to them going on. If they are stereotypes, that's fine. Just execute them well. Being anime sterotypes is ok, just give me something to latch unto.

A lot of anime characters have that "I want to protect" thing going on. It's pretty boring, but more so when being that dude is all they have going on. I liked Simon in Gurren Lagann because while he was a pretty simple stock character, he had the heartfelt and well done relationship with Kamnia. He was still presented as this hot blooded dork and the show presented him as this superhero inspirational dude who wouldn't stop. Other times a good show will try to present the main character as flawed or flawed enough. I don't know, either way they do something. Something that I can at least chew on in my mass market fun entertainment.

FFX mostly does this well with Tidus and his relationship with Yuna and whatnot. There's something to talk about the character and thats at least the first step to making an ok story. So I like it.

I think most FFs have done this. They offer cool and unique worlds. Interesting plots with enough characters with something to grab on.

Whatever, there's no reason I have to justify what I like. I don't even need to keep adding something like "it's a good story for a videogame". I like the story and plot, it's entertaining to me and I get something out of it. Thats really all I need.

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« Reply #393 on: March 28, 2014, 08:08:54 PM »
FFX's world has the politics down, culture, history, past times, recreation. It is one of the few rpg worlds that doesn't feel like it was just made in a vacuum of genre tropes. Not that FFX doesn't have cliches and tropes, but the way Square crafted the world was fairly unique  at the time, and still is now too.

Square did a good job with that game.

I like game stories too, Rah. I just like getting stuck in a  game world. It's like reading a book, you forget your place. It's just about the pages in that book. Game stories - good game stories - are the same way for me. They're things that I get immersed in and captivate my imagination. FFX does this exceedingly well.
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« Reply #394 on: March 28, 2014, 08:25:21 PM »
Were they really disrespecting the spring, though? It's been a while since I've seen it. I'll see it on my replay.

You're right about FFX's story being final. Pretty much most FF endings typically are. I didn't want a sequel to FFX when Eternal Calm came out. I liked we got to see more of Yuna, but it didn't seem right. But I've made my peace with it. Then again, I'm of the mind that FFX-2's very creation shat on the entire series' legacy as a whole. But I still love it as a game, and I enjoy some of its story, because again, I fucking love Spira dude.

As for Lulu, I don't know. It makes sense. How else are we going to understand things like the sending? Tidus, not familiar with it, isn't going to get what is going on. How else do they explain Tidus' confusion? They could have have had him narrate - and they did - but without Lulu explaining what's going on, it doesn't come off as realistic. That said yeah, she's an exposition character.
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« Reply #395 on: March 28, 2014, 08:57:04 PM »
I don't think Lulu's that bad. Yeah you don't need to explain everything, but I don't think she ever over explains. Plus the game justifies it with Tidus not knowing anything and the fact the she is well versed in being a guardian. Plus it plays it into her kind of bitchness and the fact that she's kind of the mother of the group. She at first talks down to Tidus because she has a low opinion of him, so she explains in kind of a bitchy manner. She's also the one that seems to make most of the choices and be the wisest until Auron comes, so of course she explains things.

As for X-2. I think it ruins things. I'm not really a fan of sequels to stories that had a conclusion. X had a good conclusion and it was opened ended enough that it could be happy if you wanted it to. X-2 takes that nice ambiguity away and cheapens the end of X.

Whatever, looks like they cheapened the good ending of X-2 as well with the new audio drama.
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« Reply #396 on: March 28, 2014, 08:59:02 PM »
Lulu: Who...are you? :goty2
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #397 on: March 28, 2014, 11:45:47 PM »
It's easy to find a better story than FFX. Shadow Hearts came out that same fucking year.

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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #398 on: March 28, 2014, 11:55:48 PM »
Wow
Such arguing
Very thread
Much FF
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #399 on: March 29, 2014, 12:03:28 AM »
CAN WE ALL JUST HUG???

Love and peace?

I forgot how GRINDY the end game of ffx is. ahahahahaha
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« Reply #400 on: March 29, 2014, 12:16:39 AM »
The end of most FFs is grindy as fuck. I think I spent at least a week running back in forth in one dungeon to level for the last fight in X2.
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« Reply #401 on: March 29, 2014, 12:19:07 AM »
I wouldn't say they're as grindy as FFX. You can beat X-2 final boss and dungeon with just trigger happy + cat nip. I always kill X-2's final boss in 10 seconds with trigger happy. the real hard part in x-2 is via infinito.
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #402 on: March 29, 2014, 07:07:57 AM »
not really getting how x-2's ending ruins x when x's post-credits scene does such a good job of that itself
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #403 on: March 29, 2014, 07:25:57 AM »
edit-nvm.

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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #404 on: March 29, 2014, 08:45:05 AM »
spoilers just in case anyone cares about the endings of ten year old games

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the post-credits scene is ambiguous about meg ryan's fate, and i had always read it as symbolic, like emerging from the water was standing in for being sent or w/e.  ffx-2 (it's not just the ending that wrecks things, mind, it's the whole story) is unambiguous.  meg ryan has magically come back from the dead, and the real cost that yuna had to pay to do the right thing (tm) turns out to not have cost her anything.  wow, happy endings for everyone!  it's a shitty thing to do to a story that had the stones to create a bittersweet ending in the most mainstreamy of mainstream RPG series.  it completely ruins the weight of that sacrifice and their last bit of time together knowing that actually, deus ex machina says every little thing's gonna be alright!
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i see that but i always felt it was too specific. yuna stands on a dock using their secret code for "get your ass back home NOW; underwater tidus wakes his ass up and swims for the shore. use imagination to insert whatever faith-based deus ex machina you can think of, and bam happy ending
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #405 on: March 29, 2014, 09:25:39 AM »
I can see both points. :obama

We have our own interpretations of endings. I for instance think all of humanity dies in FF7's ending.

I think Tidus COULD have revived at the end of FFX. But at the same time it could have just been symbolic like Oscar said.

Also isn't the sacrifice in this case more Tidus' than Yuna's? They trade places. Yuna is on a journey to die in FFX, they change that and find another way but this other way requires for Tidus to die. Tidus is the one to make that sacrifice, not Yuna. That's why I think the real ending is a cop out. Tidus sacrificed everything - a future with Yuna, a happy life - for the woman he loved and the world and friends he came to appreciate, and for the father he both loved and hated. Remember, Tidus HIDES what's going to happen from Yuna. She doesn't know.

FFX's ending is about Tidus as it is about Yuna. Reviving him ruins all of this. That said I can see why they'd revive him because X's ending can be kind of a downer as much as an upper. Plus there's hints they wanted to revive him in the ending.
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #406 on: March 29, 2014, 05:29:18 PM »
i like girl power and dumb games i want to play ffx-2 but im real bad at rpgs can i just smash x to victory in that or do i have to be good
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #407 on: March 29, 2014, 05:50:32 PM »
Trigger Happy is literally just mashing X so you'll be the best player ever.

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« Reply #408 on: March 29, 2014, 05:51:02 PM »
sounds godo to me then, can't wait to lvie out my female fantasies
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« Reply #409 on: March 29, 2014, 05:57:17 PM »
You can dress in fursuits too so it's pretty much made for every fetish

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« Reply #410 on: March 29, 2014, 06:10:00 PM »
I watched the gb quick look of these and X2 is somehow even more dumb and ridiculous than I remember so you'll have fun with it for sure dude.
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« Reply #411 on: March 29, 2014, 10:15:40 PM »
Chocono Racing time: 2.3  :gloomy

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« Reply #412 on: March 29, 2014, 10:21:07 PM »
You can do it!

Making good progress. Kicked Sin's ass, kicked Seymour's ass. Maxed Rikku and Lulu weapons, maxed Auron's weapon, now in chamber of the stolen fayth about to kick Yojimbo's ass. Then it is time to kick Belgehime's butt and then finish Magus sisters with a strap on and get Yuna's celestial. Afterr that it leaves Kimahri and Wakka's celestials. That'll take a few days.

Don To berry unlocked, One Eye unlocked, Omega ruins unlocked. I'll be leveling inside Sin till I can handle Omega. Then it is time to kill One Eye to grab triple ap and triple overdrive weapons which I will craft Overdrive -> AP onto and farm Don Tonberry for sphere levels.

Should take two to four more weeks and quite a lot more hours but I'm closing in on the Platinum.
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #413 on: March 29, 2014, 10:22:48 PM »
Also, if SE makes FFX3 I will scream. If they revive Sin as shown in FFX 2.5 I will be so mad. It was the eternal calm for a reason, dipshits. Hopefully it bombs if they make it and clue those fuckers in. Really wish they'd make a Braska prequel. But noooooo. :maf
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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #414 on: March 29, 2014, 10:25:39 PM »
1.5  >:(

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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #415 on: March 29, 2014, 10:28:20 PM »
Haha. Get one more balloon and you got it. Shouldn't be long now.

Btw final Seymour battle theme on HD Remaster is wowowowowow. SO gooooooooood on hdtv set.



Perfect battle theme. One of the greatest in FF history, in remastered stereo sound.  :jawalrus :gladbron :lawd :mouf :mynicca :aah :noah :whoo :whew

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« Reply #416 on: March 29, 2014, 10:31:48 PM »
omg i had it but then on that second turn i got locked down by 4 goddamn birds  :maf :'(

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« Reply #417 on: March 29, 2014, 10:36:24 PM »
Great thing about remastered Seymour battle theme is it sounds even more similar to GOAT final battle theme.  :jawalrus

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« Reply #418 on: March 29, 2014, 11:23:46 PM »


 :rejoice

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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #419 on: March 30, 2014, 12:02:43 AM »
Welcome to the club, breh. :jawalrus

As for me, Yojimbo, Magus Sisters, Yuna Celestial acquired.

What's that Yojimbo?



Knocked him out in like 4 hits. Was hilarious.
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