Author Topic: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately (Read 50783 times)

nachobro · « **Reply #420 on:** March 30, 2014, 12:28:12 AM »

Now just make sure to never let him die, never pay him less than 1024 gil, and never dismiss him without having him attack at least once. Improve dat Zanmato chance!

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #421 on:** March 30, 2014, 12:52:14 AM »

Quote from: ZephyrFate on March 28, 2014, 11:45:47 PM

It's easy to find a better story than FFX. Shadow Hearts came out that same fucking year.

I wish Sony would put up Shadow Hearts, Dark Cloud 2 and Rogue Galaxy on psn

Himu · « **Reply #422 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:06:28 AM »

Dark Cloud psn

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #423 on:** March 30, 2014, 06:32:47 AM »

Are the Shadow Hearts games long or hard? I have all three of them, just never got around to playing them.

magus · « **Reply #424 on:** March 30, 2014, 06:53:22 AM »

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2014, 06:32:47 AM

Are the Shadow Hearts games long or hard? I have all three of them, just never got around to playing them.

i don't really remember how long they are but they aren't particulary hard games at all...

...that said shadow hearts 2 is full of stuff to do and half of them is dumb as fuck, like the sidequest where you have to find muscleman magazine to give to a pair of gay tailors so that they can make new dress for one of the character, one of the character you get is a wolf and he enters a tournament where he gets to fight other wolf, including this amazing terry bogard wannabe

really it's worth playing for that alone

Rufus · « **Reply #425 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:01:33 AM »

Don't forget the Man Festival.

SantaC · « **Reply #426 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:00:58 AM »

I miss the mini games in the FF series. I hope FF15 brings them back but i would guess nope.

Himu · « **Reply #427 on:** March 30, 2014, 11:41:21 AM »

Shadow Hearts 2 is terrible.

Rufus · « **Reply #428 on:** March 30, 2014, 12:32:42 PM »

What!?

nachobro · « **Reply #429 on:** March 30, 2014, 12:45:16 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 30, 2014, 11:41:21 AM

Shadow Hearts 2 is terrible.

Himu · « **Reply #430 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:04:06 PM »

I have never understood why people like that game. The first was better. Terrible pacing, terrible characters, bland environments, towns that are one screen, solid battle system mired with obtuse customization systems, homophobic characters, bad writing, and the worst kind of cheese.

I gave about 15-20 hours of my life to that game. And it was one of the most apathetic, boring game experiences of my life. Suikoden IV and Xenosaga II were better. Never mind its peers, SMTN and later, DDS. One of the most awful rpgs I've ever seen RPG fans latch on to. Trash game.

nachobro · « **Reply #431 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:26:17 PM »

I liked (parts of) Xenosaga Ep2 $:-\$

Maybe I just bad taste lol. I also haven't played SH2 since it came out. Perhaps a decade older me wouldn't find it as entertaining.

EDIT: Now that I have Yojimbo, I think I'll just Zanmato the fuck out of Dark Valefor. That should solve the problem of getting back into Besaid. I've read that the % of getting it in the International Version is actually higher. Curious if that is true.

Himu · « **Reply #432 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:29:10 PM »

I wouldn't say you have bad taste. SH2:C is regarded as one of the best rpgs on the ps2. That's the part I don't get.

nachobro · « **Reply #433 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:31:16 PM »

I was referring to the Xenosaga Ep2 love, heh. I liked the battles in that game. The cutscenes doe...good christ.

nachobro · « **Reply #434 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:39:16 PM »

Hm I think I fucked up with Auron's SG path. Almost have it completed I think, but I somehow didn't grab Zombie Attack and it's all the fucking way back at the beginning.

Himu · « **Reply #435 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:39:48 PM »

XS2 battle system is pretty fun, at its best. At its worst it is very tedious.

Himu · « **Reply #436 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:45:07 PM »

Expert Grid can fuck you up. I have Lulu almost done with her path. Flare is on the opposite end of the grid where Rikku is. You have toteleport where Rikku is to finish Lu's path. It isn't even connected to her path. I was looking around the grid for five minutes trying to jot down a path. Wakka's grid ends too early and I've been trying to make sure I got all his stuff. The end of Rikku's path has all of these goddamn forks. Like I went way out of my way to get bribe for instance. And I forgot Zombie attack is an Auron skill. I have Wakka going down Auron's path now.

nachobro · « **Reply #437 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:48:03 PM »

I realized why I didn't get Zombie now, it has a Lv3 lock before it. I guess I'll finish up Auron's path and get useless ass Entrust, then use a Return Sphere, get Zombie, then put him down Wakka's path since it's right next to his. Zombie attack is nice cause it helps on Braska's Final Aeon and Yu Yevon.

Everyone else seems to be pretty much on path. I have Lulu going for Doublecast since I don't have the three Lv4 key spheres for Ultima, then I'll backtrack her, then have her teleport to Rikku, probably put her on Yuna's path after cause why the fuck not.

Himu · « **Reply #438 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:51:34 PM »

4 level 4 spheres required to unlock Ultima.

nachobro · « **Reply #439 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:53:33 PM »

IIRC Auto-Life also requires a bunch. $:-\$ Holy and Full-Life might require some too. I haven't checked that far on Yuna's path to find out.

Himu · « **Reply #440 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:54:10 PM »

Expert grid

nachobro · « **Reply #441 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:54:57 PM »

I don't really use Holy a lot but I like the look and sound when casting the spell so I usually get it lol

Himu · « **Reply #442 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:57:40 PM »

Holy is hella useful. Wish I had it when I fought Sin. Still don't have Holy lol.

nachobro · « **Reply #443 on:** March 30, 2014, 01:59:41 PM »

I did hella grinding in Calm Lands so I've almost got it. Should have it by the end of Gagazet. Then I might try and get Doublecast with a Skill Sphere. That + One MP Cost should make for an easier Sin fight.

Can you use the airship before that Sin fight to go all over or only after you've busted him open? I can't remember.

Himu · « **Reply #444 on:** March 30, 2014, 02:02:41 PM »

As soon as you beat Yunalesca you get the airship. You can go anywhere. Sin is an added location. You can hold off before going. I went in because it is a good leveling location and I'm still too weak for Omega.

Btw get the sun crest immediately after beating Yunalesca or you'll fight Dark Bahamut when you come back for it.

nachobro · « **Reply #445 on:** March 30, 2014, 02:08:59 PM »

Nice.

My usually airship route is back to Zanarkand cloister for the secret item, then Geosegano for No Encounters wep (if I'm lucky) and Anima. Then Rikku, Lulu, Kimahri, and Auron's ultimates. Then I do the rest of the Aeon fights in the temple for Magus Sisters and Nirvana maxed.

Then bust open Sin, grind in there, do Omega, and then finish the game. There's more content now so I'll give the Dark Aeons and Penance a shot. Not gonna worry too much about those if I can't get them though. I can always come back after X-2.

EDIT: Also gonna skip Blitzball for right now too. Not feeling it too much at the moment.

SantaC · « **Reply #446 on:** March 30, 2014, 02:36:44 PM »

International edition made FFX a lot better.

That's why I am planning to play FF12int as soon as I finish FFX13-3 on hard mode.

Himu · « **Reply #447 on:** March 30, 2014, 02:41:40 PM »

FFX regular version.

Expert grid

SantaC · « **Reply #448 on:** March 30, 2014, 02:43:06 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 30, 2014, 02:41:40 PM

FFX regular version.

Expert grid

that's why you americans got screwed over for 12 years or so.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #449 on:** March 30, 2014, 05:28:44 PM »

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2014, 06:32:47 AM

Are the Shadow Hearts games long or hard? I have all three of them, just never got around to playing them.

The first and third have difficult bosses from time to time, but the second game is pretty easy. That said, it also depends on how good your timing skills are.

The first SH IS better than Covenant, but Covenant far from terrible, and is better than FFX at least.

Rufus · « **Reply #450 on:** March 30, 2014, 05:46:31 PM »

The Judgement Ring.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #451 on:** March 30, 2014, 05:53:26 PM »

Well I very much doubt it's better then FFX(to me at least since FFX is my top 1 game), but I'll play through the SH games this summer.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #452 on:** March 30, 2014, 06:21:08 PM »

SH: Covenant is basically FFX if it took itself so much less seriously. And there's some seriously good writing. That said, however, the first game is much stronger in most aspects and was probably the best RPG release of 2001.

DO NOT play them out of order though. Play them as they were released. Covenant's most important plot beats are stronger because of playing the first game (even with Covenant's rushed recap).

Himu · « **Reply #453 on:** March 30, 2014, 06:46:17 PM »

Covenant.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #454 on:** March 30, 2014, 06:51:53 PM »

magus · « **Reply #455 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:21:16 PM »

covenant is a good game that would have gotten a mention of honor if only for the fact that it happens during real world event using real historical character (princess anastasia for example join you as a photographer loli)

then you add that it's a game that doesn't take itself seriously and that it has tons of offbeat moments (some mentioned above,another that happens often is the party making fun of this minor villain who looks like he came straight out of fist of the north star) and that adds it's to the charm

even with it's goofy element there is a pretty big plot behind it with character from the previous games returning and the like,it's interessing when you play both game back to back... then there is the fact,that the game pays a lot of attention to details,every item you find has a different pic and very detailed description... those muscleman magazine? they have their own pics and backstory

even when you discount all of this,it's still a pretty solid rpg, go in a dungeon,punch monsters,find treasure,learn new skills, solve side quest (there is one where one of your party members gain new weapon by detaching random stuff from the background including a mailbox and a giant frozen tuna, the same guy also learn new moves by fighting real life wrestler the great gama) the character all have different gimmick a-la FF9 (princess anastasia photocamera is used to learn enemy skills for example, there is another character that can buff other character by using perfume's) and the battle system use this gimmick know as judgement ring where every action you take you have to play a timing minigame,the timing change from weapon to weapon and each weapon can also be customized to make the timing less strict or adding more attack (which often involve some amusing 4th wall breaking dialogue with an entity know as the ring god)

i wouldn't go as far as say that it's better than FFX but it's 100% bona fide better than X-2 at least, with funny cheesy scenes that are actualy funny and sidequest that don't involve fetching monkeys or chasing cactuars

now, new world (the third one) that one i don't like even if on surface it's made of the same element of the two previous game... i kinda blame it on a mix of franchise fatigue, plot that doesn't really involve the previous games and awfull pacing

demi · « **Reply #456 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:25:21 PM »

I remember watching the original trailer for Covenant, so legit. Haters jump off a cliff.

Rufus · « **Reply #457 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:26:40 PM »

Yeah, New World sucked. It had a litte bit of the prior games' quirkiness, but it was forgettable on the whole. The characters weren't nearly as charming either. I think the combat system was good though. Lots of combo opportunities, if I remember correctly.

Himu · « **Reply #458 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:44:21 PM »

SH:C is stupid.

A character named Gepetto who uses stringed dolls to attack.

Then cutscenes like this.

Terrible.

I'll take my gay background dancers, thank you very much.

I love cheese. But SHC is too weaboo and silly for me.

Himu · « **Reply #459 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:45:48 PM »

Quote from: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 06:51:53 PM

no

I remember selling SHC after plunking 20 hours into it. Then someone told me that Mitsuda did the soundtrack. I laughed at him, because the soundtrack was so forgettable and I refused to believe it was Mitsuda.

I still do to this day.

Rufus · « **Reply #460 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:47:40 PM »

But that's part of what makes it good, Himurin.

The silliness, not the soundtrack. Quit doubleposting.

Himu · « **Reply #461 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:50:26 PM »

Raban · « **Reply #462 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:51:12 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 30, 2014, 07:44:21 PM

I'll take my gay background dancers, thank you very much.

I love cheese. But SHC is too weaboo and silly for me.

magus · « **Reply #463 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:52:57 PM »

it's a good thing himu never got as far as the man festival because he would throw such a fit

in fact i now have to post the whole thing here for laughs, please if you haven't played shadow hearts and intend to do so don't open this spoiler

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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ZephyrFate · « **Reply #464 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:56:30 PM »

Anyone who says any of the Shadow Hearts' soundtracks are forgettable is wrong about absolutely everything ever henceforth. Jesus fucking christ wow. And ffs, it wasn't just Mitsuda, it was also Hirota, who is at times a better composer than Uematsu + Hamauzu combined.

I love that Gepetto using dolls to attack is a complaint. You DO know who Gepetto is, right? Fucking wow.

Himu · « **Reply #465 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:58:03 PM »

Quote from: Raban on March 30, 2014, 07:51:12 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 30, 2014, 07:44:21 PM
I'll take my gay background dancers, thank you very much.

I love cheese. But SHC is too weaboo and silly for me.

That's kind of how comedy works.

I like some 00's weeaboo stuff, but some of it is random and what the fuck like that scene I posted from SHC.

Magus finds SHC funny; I find it obnoxious and stupid.

That's the thing about comedy.

Quote from: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 07:56:30 PM

Anyone who says any of the Shadow Hearts' soundtracks are forgettable is wrong about absolutely everything ever henceforth. Jesus fucking christ wow. And ffs, it wasn't just Mitsuda, it was also Hirota, who is at times a better composer than Uematsu + Hamauzu combined.

I love that Gepetto using dolls to attack is a complaint. You DO know who Gepetto is, right? Fucking wow.

Dude, that song you posted is trash. Mitsuda went from Chrono Trigger, fucking Xenogears, and goddamn Chrono Cross to that.

You must be fucking joking.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #466 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:01:47 PM »

You are absolutely the only person who has ever not liked the Astaroth boss theme. Your opinions are totally invalidated.

Himu · « **Reply #467 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:02:51 PM »

Quote from: magus on March 30, 2014, 07:52:57 PM

it's a good thing himu never got as far as the man festival because he would throw such a fit

in fact i now have to post the whole thing here for laughs, please if you haven't played shadow hearts and intend to do so don't open this spoiler

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[close]

I'm like in a weird mode of thought here. I think I did this. But at the same time, I don't think I did this. Memory is weird, fuck.

That is pretty fucking stupid though. It's like I'm watching a bad anime. Fuck.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #468 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:04:17 PM »

Get mad about our obscure jrpgs that no one cares about brehs.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I just wanted to do this breh thing everyone keeps doing

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Himu · « **Reply #469 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:05:23 PM »

Quote from: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 07:56:30 PM

I love that Gepetto using dolls to attack is a complaint. You DO know who Gepetto is, right? Fucking wow.

I know who it is. It's still stupid.

demi · « **Reply #470 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:05:27 PM »

Just checked and unfortunately the real Shadow Hearts 1 -- Koudelka, is not on Vita.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #471 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:06:41 PM »

Quote from: demi on March 30, 2014, 08:05:27 PM

Just checked and unfortunately the real Shadow Hearts 1 -- Koudelka, is not on Vita.

Yeah I looked into that, but it's pretty expensive to get a copy.

Himu · « **Reply #472 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:07:26 PM »

Kodelka

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2014, 08:04:17 PM

Get mad about our obscure jrpgs that no one cares about brehs.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just wanted to do this breh thing everyone keeps doing
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I don't think anyone is really mad. It's hard to be mad. SHC came ten years ago. It's more like a bunch of old people talking at a bar about old times and them disagreeing.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #473 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:07:47 PM »

Quote from: demi on March 30, 2014, 08:05:27 PM

Just checked and unfortunately the real Shadow Hearts 1 -- Koudelka, is not on Vita.

Koudelka is a great game with unfortunate gameplay decisions. The voice acting, in particular, is amazing for 1999. Some of the best atmosphere a jRPG has ever had, though. Better than Himu's faves.

Himu · « **Reply #474 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:09:08 PM »

Koudelka was Jade Cocoon status. Actually, lower than that, to be honest.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #475 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:11:04 PM »

Cool. did you play it? No, probably not? Ok then.

Himu · « **Reply #476 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:13:33 PM »

The gameplay in Koudelka is extremely dated even by 1999 standards.

Quote from: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:07:47 PM

Quote from: demi on March 30, 2014, 08:05:27 PM
Just checked and unfortunately the real Shadow Hearts 1 -- Koudelka, is not on Vita.
Koudelka is a great game with unfortunate gameplay decisions. The voice acting, in particular, is amazing for 1999. Some of the best atmosphere a jRPG has ever had, though. Better than Himu's faves.

As if.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #477 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:15:49 PM »

God you're being a fucking idiot. I played all of Koudelka, and 100%'d it. The game has really great voice acting, that used a good voice director (which FFX never had at all). It has, on occasion, good music as well. The animation work on the low-poly models are well done even for 1999. There are almost no other jRPGs that nail a survival horror feel as well as Koudelka does, either.

The gameplay is shit, yes. But the rest of the game is pretty solid.

Himu · « **Reply #478 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:17:06 PM »

Quote from: ZephyrFate on March 30, 2014, 08:15:49 PM

God you're being a fucking idiot. I played all of Koudelka, and 100%'d it. The game has really great voice acting, that used a good voice director (which FFX never had at all). It has, on occasion, good music as well. The animation work on the low-poly models are well done even for 1999. There are almost no other jRPGs that nail a survival horror feel as well as Koudelka does, either.

The gameplay is shit, yes. But the rest of the game is pretty solid.

What you so mad, Zeph?

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #479 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:17:57 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on March 30, 2014, 08:16:56 PM

I liked Koudelka. Sacnoth did really well considering their lack of experience and low budget.

Exactly. It doesn't help that the development team had two very different ideas of how to construct the game and butted heads throughout its entire development process. But Kikuta definitely did some interesting research into the area Koudelka is set in in England and captured the dark underbelly of Victorian society.

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Author Topic: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately (Read 50783 times)