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Re: FFX/2 Remaster - Relive your teen years again, unfortunately
« Reply #480 on: March 30, 2014, 08:19:20 PM »
The presentation is pretty great, though. But I could never excuse the battle system and its peers like Saiyuki came off a lot better to me.
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« Reply #481 on: March 30, 2014, 08:21:15 PM »
I'm not trying to excuse the battle system -- it is bad. But as far as story, presentation, graphical fidelity, and voice acting, Koudelka is supremely underrated and quite the achievement considering the shoestring budget.

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« Reply #482 on: March 30, 2014, 08:25:10 PM »
I completely agree with that. I think those are important assets to a game, especially rpgs, but when it comes to brass tacks, I'm always judging a game by its gameplay. If I'm not interested in its gameplay, even if its aesthetic and presentation are off the charts. It's hard for me to get into it.
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« Reply #483 on: March 30, 2014, 08:28:23 PM »
then im not sure why you're ragging on the Shadow Hearts games which range from improved to near-perfect (From the New World) gameplay. and as far as obtuse mechanics, the game has detailed descriptions of absolutely everything in the game. What was confusing?

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« Reply #484 on: March 30, 2014, 08:36:34 PM »
then im not sure why you're ragging on the Shadow Hearts games which range from improved to near-perfect (From the New World) gameplay. and as far as obtuse mechanics, the game has detailed descriptions of absolutely everything in the game. What was confusing?

I never said it was confusing. I called it obtuse. Each characters, to my memory, had like three different ways to customize them. It started out great, because each character has their own means of customization, so they all feel unique in that they don't share customization elements. But then eventually, the hole goes deeper and deeper. I don't mean deeper as in game depth, I mean deeper as in more bullshit to deal with. It felt very extraneous to me. It has been ten years, so I don't know what it even is anymore. I just remember not liking it.

Also, I like SH1 a lot. SHC much, much less so. Never played 3 because of 2.

But the dungeons that I played were very simple, even by Xenosaga or 3d Final Fantasy (VII-X) standards. I wasn't challenged by the game, not that that's a prerequisite for good gameplay in an rpg. The battle system is solid, but rarely pushes the envelope. It was just a middling game experience for me, brought down by a sense of humor, writing, presentation, and story that I simply did not like. At all.
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« Reply #485 on: March 30, 2014, 10:28:09 PM »
There are three, easily explained ways to customize characters:

-- Judgment Ring-based. Give them more hits with their regular attack, add special effects to said attack, as well as widen/shrink normal/critical areas. Incredibly intuitive.

-- Crest-based. Crests give a set of magic, even more when the set of Crests are aligned correctly in Solomon's Map. Considering this is actually a sidequest, its "obtuseness" is part of the quest. The riddles give you enough clues to place Crests correctly, though.

-- Skills-based. Each character learns skills through their own sidequests. These range from finding items, to winning fights, to collecting cards. Not really that different from other games. Not to mention that no skill is permanently missable.

The Judgment Ring is so far beyond "not pushing the envelope" it wraps around and dropkicks nearly every other jRPG battle system.
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« Reply #486 on: March 31, 2014, 07:10:56 AM »
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That is pretty fucking stupid though. It's like I'm watching a bad anime. Fuck.

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« Reply #487 on: March 31, 2014, 12:47:57 PM »
I don't think that's the joke at all. It seems more like you guys are ENJOYING it and not LAUGHING AT it, whereas when I watch FFX-2 intro I'm fucking laughing my ass at how STUPID and absurd it is.
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« Reply #488 on: March 31, 2014, 01:19:23 PM »
jesus himuro, do you know how the rest of that sidequest goes? they fight a bunch of curry themed guys,then when they reach the top everybody goes "LEAVE THIS TO ME AND GO AHEAD!" including the fucking dog, do you even have a funny bone there or did you decide that nothing in this game is funny after the gay flamboyant tailors horribly offended you?

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« Reply #489 on: March 31, 2014, 01:31:16 PM »
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« Reply #490 on: March 31, 2014, 01:59:47 PM »
17 year old me was extremely asshurt at the intro to FFX-2. Now though, I'm looking forward to that game. I've replayed FFX plenty of times but haven't touched X-2 in probably 6-7 years.

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« Reply #491 on: March 31, 2014, 03:31:06 PM »
17 year old me was extremely asshurt at the intro to FFX-2. Now though, I'm looking forward to that game. I've replayed FFX plenty of times but haven't touched X-2 in probably 6-7 years.

did you finish it? I started that game like 8 years ago, but couldnt finish it.

replayed it 2 years ago and found it fantastic. (gameplay vise)

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« Reply #492 on: March 31, 2014, 03:33:35 PM »
Played about 150 hours of X-2 when it came out. Lurv.
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« Reply #493 on: March 31, 2014, 04:23:47 PM »
did you finish it? I started that game like 8 years ago, but couldnt finish it.

replayed it 2 years ago and found it fantastic. (gameplay vise)
Didn't finish it the first time, but I did the second time I played it. Never got 100% though.

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« Reply #494 on: March 31, 2014, 07:35:30 PM »
Yunalesca is such a dumb battle. I had her down to 6000 hp in her third form, had one person dead, one zombie/confused and one nonzombie. I stupidly used a remedy to cure the confusion, curing the zombie at the same time and wiping to Mega Death. Now to watch 15 minutes of cutscene again.

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« Reply #495 on: March 31, 2014, 07:47:38 PM »
It's more like five. Just go back and save when the party goes upstairs.

And that was kind of your fault on that game over, man. :(
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« Reply #496 on: March 31, 2014, 07:53:52 PM »
I said that already, but the premise of a battle where 2/3rds of your actions are phoenix downs and eye drops isn't fun to start with.

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« Reply #497 on: March 31, 2014, 09:23:09 PM »
Nice, Sin's Core is exactly the same shit

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« Reply #498 on: March 31, 2014, 09:30:46 PM »
sweet, so stop screwing up and kill it already
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« Reply #499 on: March 31, 2014, 10:08:01 PM »
I didn't screw up, I beat it. But for a game with no ability to group heal or remove status bosses that hit all your dudes with status ailments turn into half hour slogs that require no thought.

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« Reply #500 on: March 31, 2014, 10:52:36 PM »
Yunalesca down. Grind time!

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« Reply #501 on: April 01, 2014, 12:18:55 AM »
Haven't gotten around to Koudelka, but the Shadow Hearts series was fucking amazing, Covenant being my favorite.
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« Reply #502 on: April 01, 2014, 01:03:59 AM »
Haven't gotten around to Koudelka, but the Shadow Hearts series was fucking amazing, Covenant being my favorite.
I'd watch an LP. But the gameplay isn't completely unplayable, just slow. Speed up your emulator during them, and you'll be ok. The game is only sporadically difficult, and the atmosphere is unbelievable. It's basically the closest you can get to Silent Hill RPG.

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« Reply #503 on: April 02, 2014, 12:04:34 AM »
Got all the aeons and unlocked Yuna's ultimate. Also did Rikku's. Was working on Lulu's but got frustrated (83 was the max). Now I'm working on Auron's and I'll probably get back to lightning tomorrow.

So close to the end!  :D

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« Reply #504 on: April 02, 2014, 01:39:07 AM »
Lulu's is easy dude.



Did this in 15 minutes.
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« Reply #505 on: April 02, 2014, 11:27:37 AM »
Yeah it probably would have been much easier if I wasn't high lol. I'll get it tonight for sure.

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« Reply #506 on: April 02, 2014, 11:28:20 AM »
Really? I game better high. Haha
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« Reply #507 on: April 02, 2014, 12:44:40 PM »
Depends for me but yesterday I just felt slower than normal and not able to focus, which probably wasn't helping my reactions too much.

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« Reply #508 on: April 07, 2014, 04:14:48 PM »
Got this yesterday before Wrasslemania:



Now to go fight Sin!

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« Reply #509 on: April 07, 2014, 06:35:13 PM »
Grats. Still slaving away with grindan. :( Have you beat Omega yet?
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« Reply #510 on: April 08, 2014, 03:49:13 AM »
Grooming Yojimbo for Zanmato to take out One Eye to grind for triple ap/triple overdrive equipment. Will handle that tomorrow and get everyone to 99 sphere levels, finish a few grids, then take on Omega Ruins with my new leveled characters and then go for dark valefor.

Nacho you didn't tell me what you thought of the Seymour battle song for the hd remaster. :rejoice
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« Reply #511 on: April 08, 2014, 01:27:47 PM »
Grats. Still slaving away with grindan. :( Have you beat Omega yet?
That's the plan for today. He's got 999,999 hp in this version though  :o

Also the remixed Seymour battle song is top quality! Easily my favorite of the remixed jams. The music has been mostly hit for me, but there's a few misses. I really don't like the new Besaid Island song. I liked that they used the piano collections version of Via Purifico though. So good  :lawd
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« Reply #512 on: April 08, 2014, 01:34:43 PM »
I already missed some Al Bhed books, I'm only up to the second Cloister, Kilika I think. I just havent sat down to play this. I almost wish I bought Vita version instead, since I have it with me. I may re-buy it if it goes on sale.
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« Reply #513 on: April 08, 2014, 01:36:12 PM »
19-22 are the only ones you can't get again (19-21 in Home and 22 in Bevelle Temple), at least I believe that is the case.

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« Reply #514 on: April 08, 2014, 01:38:24 PM »
Right, I know that, but it bugs me I missed them. Unless I can go back before the cutoff point for Dark Aeons?
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« Reply #515 on: April 08, 2014, 01:41:04 PM »
Yeah iirc once you fight sphereomorph or whatever you can actually run all the way back. Has to be right after that fight though.

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« Reply #516 on: April 08, 2014, 04:02:55 PM »
Omega has 999,999 hp in this one?
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« Reply #517 on: April 08, 2014, 04:32:30 PM »
Yep http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_Weapon_%28Final_Fantasy_X%29

Also it absorbs all elemental attacks, even Holy.

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« Reply #518 on: April 08, 2014, 05:41:32 PM »
:what

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« Reply #519 on: April 08, 2014, 06:26:07 PM »
Btw anyone else have issues with loading? Yuna is starting to do that thing she did on ps2 when summoning, where the game is loading the summon animation and she stands there summoning for like 3-5 seconds. Anyone getting this too?
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« Reply #520 on: April 08, 2014, 06:53:17 PM »
I remember that from PS2 but haven't seen it happen yet.

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« Reply #521 on: April 08, 2014, 10:35:54 PM »
Okay, Omega down. Spells I wanted learned (Auto-Life, Ultima, Flare, Copycat, Nova). Now time to finish the game!

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« Reply #522 on: April 08, 2014, 10:39:00 PM »
Where is auto-life on the expert grid?
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« Reply #523 on: April 08, 2014, 10:42:29 PM »
Very top area, near the left. Same section as Quick Pockets, or just go left from Full-Life

EDIT: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120104031106/finalfantasy/images/0/0d/Expert_sphere_grid.jpg

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« Reply #524 on: April 09, 2014, 12:14:15 AM »
I'm trying to get ribbon and other anti-status stuff on armor.
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« Reply #525 on: April 09, 2014, 01:19:00 AM »
Time for Braska's Final Aeon

"Let's end this"  :tocry

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« Reply #526 on: April 09, 2014, 01:53:12 AM »
I cried at the end. I always do. I don't care who knows.

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« Reply #527 on: April 09, 2014, 01:57:47 AM »
Dat Auron theme kicking in at the end.   :(


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« Reply #529 on: April 09, 2014, 11:39:45 AM »
Bomba?
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« Reply #530 on: April 09, 2014, 12:24:02 PM »
Couldn't be. The gaf thread has more posts than the LR thread. Same for here.
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« Reply #531 on: April 09, 2014, 01:31:49 PM »
Yeah because obviously the best way to gauge the sales performance of a game is the combined activity of GAF and Bore threads about it. Oh wait...

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« Reply #532 on: April 09, 2014, 01:42:36 PM »
Bad comparison. Gaf thread is constantly active and had more posts than the LR thread before the game even came out.

Gaf thread has #10855 posts. LR Gaf thread has #4162 posts.

Seems we're going to see the same trend in NA as we did in Japan: X/X-2 HD Remaster >>>> LR :rejoice
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« Reply #533 on: April 09, 2014, 01:49:49 PM »
::) like there was any chance LR was going to outsell FFX HD. Shitty iOS ports of old FF games sell more than the FF13 games.

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« Reply #534 on: April 09, 2014, 01:52:49 PM »
Well, in any case, X/X-2 HD remaster is hardly a bomb and we don't even have numbers yet. It doesn't have the makings of a bomb.
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« Reply #535 on: April 09, 2014, 08:33:49 PM »
Gonna hop into X2 tonight. Played through X and watched Eternal Calm with the gf watching this whole time, curious what her reaction will be to X2.

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« Reply #536 on: April 09, 2014, 09:13:59 PM »
Naw. I'm just arguing that it's most likely not a bomb. When you post in a lot of niche game threads, as you know, you start to get a handle on how the game MIGHT have done based on the threads traffic: how many people bought it in this thread, how many people are playing it, how many posts does the thread have? It's not an indicator it sold great, but it is definitely an indicator it didn't BOMB. This being an hd port, it doesn't really need that much in order to not bomb anyways. I say this because I have posted in a lot of threads for games that are typically bombs or generally do not sell particularly well. Usually, when you get a game like that, thread traffic is slow and abrupt, especially on larger forums like Gaf. For Musou, for instance, we are lucky to have 5-10 people regularly talking about it and the sales numbers generally reflect this. For an hd port, the amount of people buying and talking about FFX/X-2 HD Remaster suggests that it's doing pretty well - ESPECIALLY for an hd port.
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« Reply #537 on: April 09, 2014, 09:36:34 PM »
Eh. Every time I posted in a niche game thread that didn't have much traffic, the game usually didn't do so well. It's not a fool proof indicator, but I think it tends to give an idea of performance if the forum is large enough. Of course, an idea, does not mean "that's what it did." An idea is merely an idea. I don't think FFX/X-2 HD Remastered bombed, and I think interest in it across the internet helps back that up. That doesn't mean I'm right, nor that it's true, and the only true metric for considering data is official sales numbers via npd, media create;etc. But what I'm talking about is usually a pretty decent early sign. Seen it happen multiple times before and time and time again.

For example, I don't have to know the sales numbers of Yumi's Odd Odyssey to know that it didn't sell particularly well. The gaf thread for instance has all of 3 pages, or 214 posts.
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« Reply #538 on: April 09, 2014, 09:46:11 PM »
I'm not saying I'm right. I could very well be wrong. And I'm not being "in yo face" at all except for Raban's post comparing a hardware thread to a software thread. My argument is merely: internet forums - especially large internet forums - are typically a good gauge for awareness. Nothing more.
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« Reply #539 on: April 10, 2014, 02:55:52 AM »
i get it; its kind of like how gaf talks about uncharted all the time and it went on to be one of the highest selling o wait
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