infamous

[MyNameIsMethodis]

dis game is real hard but its also real fun and best graphic ive ever seen 10/10

[Himu]

this game is pretty bad. it runs at like 550p or some shit so it looks like a jaggy mess, and it has the most boring sandbox world i've ever seen. I got it for free from sony after the hacks, and I still felt ripped off

[Himu]

oh, you're talking about infamous: second son

haha nevermind

[MyNameIsMethodis]

ya infamous 3 aka goty aka first real next en game

[Takao]

cole mcgrath has the ugliest character design that i've seen people defend

[Rahxephon91]

cole mcgrath has the ugliest character design that i've seen people defend

Yes this. I never understood why people fought against the positive design change for 2.  Other games and even comic books  change the looks of characters all the time. Cole is such a garbage dumpster generic looking character.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Id rather play titanfall really

[headwalk]

tell me how you feel about adam sessler's 3 star review.

[Eel O'Brian]

Did I Buy An inFamous Game?

If the game you purchased contains:

  x   An overly arrogant protagonist who has anaphylactic reactions to water and wears cringe-inducing clothing

  x   A ham-fisted, socially/politically "relevant" plotline which would embarrass a high school debate team

  x   Enemies with X-Ray vision, perfect aim, and body armor you must break off entirely before you can harm them

  x   NPC characters who subtly react to your presence with either absolute disgust or absolute adoration

  x   Intermittently awkward camera movement and controls when traversing the environment and/or engaging enemies

  x   A copy/paste skill tree

Then you have purchased an inFamous game!

[Human Snorenado]

I dunno Eel, methodis says it's GOTY. Surely we can believe him, right?

[Himu]

agree with all that but second son looks good

[Eel O'Brian]

if you can't trust a man who publicly announces his incontinence, who can ya trust

[fistfulofmetal]

bought. gonna play when it finishes

[Eel O'Brian]

agree with all that but second son looks good

It looks great, and runs really well. I played about an hour at lunch. But it is 100% an inFamous game. I've read people ask "If I didn't like the other two inFamous games, will I - "

NO.

YOU WILL NOT.

I can live with it because there's enough fun to be had that I can just eyeroll past the rest, but it is a shinier version of inFamous. This isn't an "AssCreed Black Flag" situation. This is a "douchebag jumps around rooftops shooting shit out of his hands, in between god awful cutscenes" situation.

[Eel O'Brian]

Let me give you an example (this is not much of a spoiler, really):

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Early in the game, Delsin and that goddamned beanie help a bus full of people cross through some debris in the road. His brother is driving the bus, and won't let him on because the people inside are scared of him.  At this point, Delsin and that goddamned beanie actually reference Rosa Parks.

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[Eel O'Brian]

this should probably be merged with this thread, btw:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41478.45

[Himu]

Let me give you an example (this is not much of a spoiler, really):

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Early in the game, Delsin and that goddamned beanie help a bus full of people cross through some debris in the road. His brother is driving the bus, and won't let him on because the people inside are scared of him.  At this point, Delsin and that goddamned beanie actually reference Rosa Parks.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i asked for more cheese games in the mgsv thread and it looks like i got my wish

[cool breeze]

the game case has a reversible cover that's the same picture without "limited edition" on it.  they really want you to look at this dude's smug grin.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

do you guys remember the original infamous 1 cole? he looked like this guy; was a hunk from cali with a messenger bag. gamers flipped and sucker punch went grim dark

[MyNameIsMethodis]

[Eel O'Brian]

I will give them this: Delsin's brother is a much better sidekick than fat Elvis

[fistfulofmetal]

I just got past the bridge stuff and all of a sudden the game is making me download game files?

[thisismyusername]

I will give them this: Delsin's brother is a much better sidekick than fat Elvis

Anything is better than Zeke.

Punching myself in the nuts with a nailbat is more preferable than Zeke.

(Concept Cole before old Cole/Nu Cole looks hot, BTW)

[Rahxephon91]

cole mcgrath has the ugliest character design that i've seen people defend

Yes this. I never understood why people fought against the positive design change for 2.  Other games and even comic books  change the looks of characters all the time. Cole is such a garbage dumpster generic looking character.

he was ugly, and if they could have time machined back and done a better design for the first, I'd be all for it.  but changing the way he looks completely along with recasting his voice in part two of a two-part story with zero in-universe explanation was a dumb idea, and while Cole 2 was less ugly, he was even more generic.  just another pretty white boy with short brown hair.  Cole was ugly as shit, but Cole was Cole.  don't like him, ditch him and get a new main character.  absolutely no excuse for Darren Stevensing in a video game, especially a character who's only go to be around for two installments.

I guess I just have the bias of not caring about Infamous 1 or Cole. So, a redesign would mean nothing to me.

Anyway I got the game. While El's list is spot on I still enjoyed Infamous 2. Flying around shooting stuff felt un-cumbersome and thus pretty fun. I expect the same here.

[fistfulofmetal]

Well, it's def Infamous. And I like Infamous, so I like this.

The performance is kinda shit though.

[Bebpo]

Game looks insane.  Definitely first next-gen game that's looked like a generation leap in graphics.  Which is especially impressive coming from a developer not known for cutting edge graphics.  Makes me look forward to some of the year 2/3 titles.  Can't imagine how impressive some games will look this generation.

Animation is still infamous janky

[Bebpo]

Also this game feels like it's taken influence from Uncharted.  Feels more story-ish like those games and more mainstreamed.  I'm fine with that.  I'm sure it'll help getting the new audience on board who didn't play the old games but like Uncharted-ish games.

[Eel O'Brian]

I still want a game where the superheroes are irredeemable scumbags and you beat/kill them mercilessly. Basically, I want a Marshal Law game:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal_Law_(comics)

[Bebpo]

Played a little of this on remote play w/vita.  You know, if Vita sticks weren't so god awful for aiming in TPS/FPS games it'd be really viable (that's why it works well with ACIV since there's almost no shooting) and it looks amazing on vita screen. 

I think what makes SS look so good is the lighting engine.  All the colors of the city and cars and special effects really pop and stand out.  It's sort of like how GoWIII's lighting made the game look a lot more impressive.  Very good job Sucker Punch tech dudes!  Also the game is fun and the writing seems better so far.

[cool breeze]

second son is a good example of streamlining making a game better.  so far it's much better than infamous 2.  I'm only missing the grind rails.  infamous 1 and 2 traversal was about gliding from rail to rail to zip around.  at least with the smoke power traversal is about finding vents to shoot you up, then hover and air dash your way across buildings.

and the main character is even more of a boner than they made him out to be.  in cutscenes and conversations with his brother you get the sense that he's meant to be a joke.  but then there are side missions about tagging walls with your sick nasty socially conscious art.  and the weirdest side objective is stopping drug dealers.  a message pops up that says "drugs are bad! you need to stop drugs!" I wouldn't put it past the main character to be some straight edge rebel but he talks about getting buzzed off the power orbs.  and you find power orbs in surveillance drones now   

[Bebpo]

The only word to describe this game is fun.  I feel fucking AWESOME playing it and flying around beating the shit out of guys, rescuing civilians.  The smoke dash is SO GOOD.  I love dashing up subduing a guy and then smoke dash out of the way while dudes first on where I was a second ago.  I love that instead of hiding behind boxes in cover while regen-ing life, you just dash and fly around with agility.   Game plays fast and is all about keep moving and keep kicking ass, just like a good Japanese action game.  GOOD JOB HALO DESIGNER GUY.  No irony there.  Dude really improved the flow of combat.  Kind of a shame the guy left SP after this went gold because would love to see him take it even further.

I'm taking my time and enjoying it since the game moves so fast that I can see how people a burning through the 8-15 hour campaign in a day or two because it's hard to put down.  Want to make it last at least a week or two.  This is definitely the first polished quality PS4 title.  Sucker Punch did a great job from the first 3-4 hours so far.

[Purple Filth]

cole mcgrath has the ugliest character design that i've seen people defend

Yes this. I never understood why people fought against the positive design change for 2.  Other games and even comic books  change the looks of characters all the time. Cole is such a garbage dumpster generic looking character.

he was ugly, and if they could have time machined back and done a better design for the first, I'd be all for it.  but changing the way he looks completely along with recasting his voice in part two of a two-part story with zero in-universe explanation was a dumb idea, and while Cole 2 was less ugly, he was even more generic.  just another pretty white boy with short brown hair.  Cole was ugly as shit, but Cole was Cole.  don't like him, ditch him and get a new main character.  absolutely no excuse for Darren Stevensing in a video game, especially a character who's only go to be around for two installments.

Thank you Oscar for explaining this once again.

[Eel O'Brian]

Hey, how does everyone know this motherfucker's name? On the news broadcasts they don't even know his name, but you walk down the street and people are fistbumping and yelling WE LOVE YOU DELSIN and shit.  It's especially dumb after he gets the second set of powers (neon), because even if people knew his name before,  they'd know him as the guy who throws smoke and ash around, and not the guy who is a flying hotel vacancy sign.

[Third]

The graphics in this game are crazy.

Can't believe a $399 machine is outputting better graphics than a $2000 gaming PC. Just unreal.

[fistfulofmetal]

so this Paper Trail stuff? I did the first mission but when I finished it I was told it couldnt connect to my Paper Trail account (didnt even know wtf that was) and that I should try again at the Paper Trail Mission Start. so I went and made an account on the site and came back but the mission marker still said the same thing. So i quit the game and restarted but now that mission marker is gone.

[Sho Nuff]

My buddy works for SP and I'm gonna go over to his house tonight and see what all the hooplah is about

[cool breeze]

so this Paper Trail stuff? I did the first mission but when I finished it I was told it couldnt connect to my Paper Trail account (didnt even know wtf that was) and that I should try again at the Paper Trail Mission Start. so I went and made an account on the site and came back but the mission marker still said the same thing. So i quit the game and restarted but now that mission marker is gone.

that's strange.  yeah, I saw that marker and went through the steps.  I don't know what the payoff is other than another set of missions to play.

 

[MyNameIsMethodis]

dis game is hard as balls even on easy fuck

[Sho Nuff]

Kind of a cool game, looks great

The bus scene though 

[Bebpo]

dis game is hard as balls even on easy fuck

Just keep dashing and flying and moving around the environment when low on health to replenish health somewhere.

[cool breeze]

playing on expert and it's surprisingly hard until it gets easy (...) with some of the power upgrades.  it's great that you get the point where you can play aggressively and not worry about hiding or running away.

[Eel O'Brian]

The boss fight against

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He Who Dwells 

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is way too hard. I'm playing on easy because I want it to be, you know, easy, you fucking shitheads.

[G The Resurrected]

I watched the missus playing this and saw a few changes that made it easier for players. The addition of recharge spots in places they weren't before and different timings and behaviors from some of the boss battles. Not to mention some story elements that were changed from what I had played. The game was easy in most spots on the hard difficulty I played it on and it seems they made it a bit harder in certain spots where it was too easy. But I guess they made it a bit too hard for some people. I've heard a lot of complaints that it's too hard.

[Eel O'Brian]

Just this one fight, at least for me. Went on way too long and really showed the weaknesses of the camera control.

[G The Resurrected]

It and the final boss battle were a lot longer than what you played. Trust me they were almost down right annoying to deal with.

[a slime appears]

This game is really fun and looks great. Closest thing we have to a system seller for the current-gen systems.

[Rahxephon91]

Game is actually pretty fantastic. Really, ounce you get the neon powers the game just explodes into complete awesomeness. It dosen't hurt that some of the effects are quite beautiful looking. It's just the feel of movement you have in this game is extraordinary, zipping around enemies is great. They kind of have that "you went around and now enemies are confused" thing from Uncharted 2, but it should have been more pronounced. As I zip around a lot with the neon powers. The game seems pretty easy to me and I really like the free aim, plus the neon shooting ability with it's subdue or not really adds some agency to aiming.

Plus, I'm the only one finding the writing kind of ok. Not the story or whatever, but the intermingle dialogue with Delson and other characters is kind of good. Sure he kind of comes off as cocky, but there is a sense of self aware cornyness there. Plus sometimes he is pretty funny and it's sold that free spirit personality you'd assume a tager like him would have. Sure is a lot better then Cole anyway.

Game is pretty great. Maybe best next gen game so far.

[cool breeze]

evil delsin is a huge butthole.  it's great.

[cool breeze]

infamous second son is a weird game.  combat and traversal are amazing.  combat especially is a huge step up and just a lot of fun.  but the game's structure and mission design is all boring and kinda lazy.  it's all basically: chase someone/follow signal/go to waypoint > fight a group of dudes > repeat.  outside of the bosses, there are only a few points (like five) that are different and feels crafted.  game could've done with more of that.  like, infamous 1 had those sewer sections that turned into sly cooper platforming sections, or the mission where you're on a train and dealing with enemies and debris blocking the rails.  second son is mostly combat arenas 'saved' by how fun the combat is.

so the mechanics are far better than infamous 1 and 2 (and most other games) but the game they made around them is lacking.  and while I'd prefer sucker punch make something new, if infamous 4/ss2 is announce I'd be OK with it.  usually I think a third game in a series is pushing it, but there was enough different, new and good about second son to build on.

[Rahxephon91]

Yeah I just finished it myself and I agree. The game is fun to play for sure, but there's not much going on in it.

The main story missions are kind of un-eventful. They don't have anything special or unique to them. In really good GTA missions you'll have something-a situation, senerio, set piece something-that makes that mission special. No story mission in infamous ss has that, they all kind of follow the same routine. It dosen't help that the story structure they built makes that obvious. You basically do the same pattern of missions three times for the three important story characters(kind of anyway since the third guy you don't do the same missions you did with the other two). So the main story dosen't have anything standout and then you're faced with the world where you do the same thing over and over again as you attack the bases, find the shards, and whatnot. I mean sure playing it's fun, but there is'nt anything built around to elevate the entire thing.

Also the powers are kind of iffy. There's little deviations in what they do. The neon grenade makes you shoot them to subdue them while the smoke grenade allows you to just subdue them. The neon laser has slowdown and you have to shoot the feet to subdue, the smoke allows you to shoot in the head to subdue. Yet at the end of the day they kind of all do the same thing and it's up to what you like the most I guess. This game seems to not like Neon powers since it hardly has any part where it makes a point of you using them.

I also felt like the game kind of just abruptly got to the end, but then maybe thats good. It did'nt overstay it's welcome.

The thing though is the story is pretty bad. It's bland, predictable, and most importantly nothing happens. It moves in a straight line with nothing of interests really to shake yp the story. The villain is incredibly terrible and is just I'm a villain until the end where the game decides to just info dump her motives all of a sudden. It's just a really uninteresting narrative in the end. I like Delsen. He's a cool character and a lot of the dialogue between characters is funny, well done, and pretty natural. It's just the actual plot is pretty ho-hum.


It's a good game and an early PS4 game so it deserves some slack. It's pretty fun, make no mistake. It probably just won't be remembered when the better infamous comes a long.

[Bebpo]

Honestly I haven't put a whole lot of time into this (still haven't gotten Neon power set yet) because after playing Ground Zeroes for a while, Infamous is a bit boring and generic in comparison.  Plus 30fps is ehhh after playing a lot of 60fps.  This city also seems really same-y unlike Infamous 2 which had a lot of distinct locations like the bayou, the mardi gras city, the flooded slums, etc...

I like Infamous SS for sure, especially the new combat.  But yeah the missions all seem kind of the same and the side missions are all EXACTLY the same.  Wish there was more just wrecking shit in awesome sandbox action pieces like when you take out the DUIP trucks.

tl;dr Ground Zeroes kind of ruined this a bit for me.

[a slime appears]

Well I'm glad you've enjoyed your 1 hour demo. I'm 10 hours in and I'm only 80% of the way through.

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I'm trolling, hopefully Gamefly sends me GZ soon.

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[MyNameIsMethodis]

just finished it, it gets wayyy easier when u get all the powers i enjoyed it but i reflect that sentiment of the main misisons being kinda lame. there really isnt muc hdiffernece between those and the side misisons except sometimes u get a cutscene.

does anyone know where the cole misisons rae?

[a slime appears]

OK, I just powered through the rest of the game and got 100%. That was a really fun! Definitely my favorite next-gen game so far and I've got both consoles. I'll have to work on trophies next, I guess.

The feeling of navigating through an environment effortlessly and being able to swap your skill-set on the fly is incredibly rewarding. A shame that there's not much going on in the world considering how small it is. I guess I'm spoiled from the grandeur and options from GTA5. Regardless the game's level design is incredibly clever an subtly implements traversal mechanics as part of the world design while not making it stand out from the qausi-cartoony/realistic design. The combat, navigation, abilities, and controls are all top notch but the rest of the game is second rate. I could care less for the characters or story but making my way around Seattle and systematically freeing each area was worth it alone. I played on normal and found the game to be really easy unfortunately. Probably due to me gleefully freeing up as many areas as possible as I made my way through the game. In any case the game expects and demands you to master your powers and the faster you do that the easier the game is.

I'm genuinely impressed we got this kind of game within 4 months of the system launching.

[Bebpo]

Getting back to this and not feeling it as much after Neon.  I really dislike how you can't just switch between power sets on the fly by pressing R3 or something and have to go find a thing to absorb.  Kind of feels limiting on progression and combat.  Neon seems like a good sniper build but not really good for crowd control, tons of enemies.  Also the running is alright but it's a dumb down Saints Row 4 super running and honestly I feel like traversal is worse than just air dashing with smoke.  Basically just sticking to smoke because neon seems useless outside of the blue ankle strategy for subduing enemies quickly.

Also some of these secret agent side missions are kind of bullshit.  Infamous 2 had way better side stuff to do.

[a slime appears]

Neon has been my go to for zipping around the world. There's a power-up upgrade that unlocks unlimited running and since you can run up walls you can basically get anywhere with no issues. You can even launch yourself into the air from a building and then just hover over which helps covering huge distances.

I think the slow-down time for Neon also makes it fantastic if you're good at aiming. Just aim down sights and dispatch everyone in front of you with head shots if you're evil or just throw down your bomb attack to bounce everyone into the air and then slow down time to make crowd control even easier.

Also some of these secret agent side missions are kind of bullshit.  Infamous 2 had way better side stuff to do.

I would say all the side missions are bullshit.

For those I just used Neon (surprise surprise) since it has slow-mo. If you're a good shot you can take the agent out moments after starting the mission when the guy comes out of his stealth dash thing.

[Bebpo]

Just beat this.  Was ok, like Assassin's Creed 1 but better.  Pretty city, solid mechanics, nothing much to do, very repetitive, short game.  7-8/10.  Infamous 2 is the only "great" game in the series.  1 and SS are both just ok.

But hey, why's it called Second Son? 

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Reggie is the First Son, Delson si the second

cole is the first son, dleson is the second

i think

[Bebpo]

Ok, that sort of makes sense but still seems like a weird name for a game that's not really emphasizing that.  Hmm, honestly did like the characters that much.  Everything was too serious and realistic.  Plus fuck cliches up the butt, I'm so sick of by the books tropes/cliches in AAA gaming. 

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Once Reggie starts getting decent character development you know his only purpose in the game is to die and upset Delsin.  Was so lame when that happened in the end just to tick off the box.

Would've rather he bucked the tropes and lived and he does something in the end and they win together or something.  Setup a sequel with the two of them.  Reggie > Zeke, Cole > Delsin.

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[MyNameIsMethodis]

i agree, it kidna felt like they had another 1/4th of game to program and they got a time cut by sony so they just randomly had that happen