omg da SKIES OF ARCADIA remix!

[SantaC]

godlike at 1:32

Now I am a sad panda that we will never see SoA2 

[magus]

i tought the shitty posting thread was here

[Trent Dole]

SoA people are damned to the odd cameo it'd seem.

[Great Rumbler]

Overrated game is overrated.

[Himu]

I'm not really willing to call SoA overrated. It has the grandest sense of adventure in a jrpg this side of DQ, but it's not the best jrpg even on DC. But I don't really see anyone rating SoA except Sega and Nintendo fans. SoA is a great game. Overrated, though? It's barely talked about and was a much better game than its peers (such as FF9).

[Joe Molotov]

Skies of Arcadia was p. good, but the ENC rate made the game drag ass towards the end.

[Himu]

Yeah, the Cube version is much better at encounter rate.

[a slime appears]

I never beat Skies because the ending fight was bugged for me for some reason and it kept crashing at one specific spot. Exchanged my copy and it still happened so I said FUUUUUUUCK IT.

[demi]

I have an extra copy of Skies for Gamecube. Will sell if anyone's interested. Been lazy to put it online - suppose I could see if anyone local has good taste on CraigsList.

[a slime appears]

GUESS WHERE I GOT MY COPY OF SKIES GAMECUBE!!!

[Himu]

LAMBDA BURST

LAMBDA BURST

LAMBDA BURST

LAMBDA BURST

[Rahxephon91]

I only have the Dreamcast version. Still haven't gotten very far into it. Wouldn't mind a portable version.

[Himu]

You mess with me, you mess with Claudia.

[Himu]

I only have the Dreamcast version. Still haven't gotten very far into it. Wouldn't mind a portable version.

After Crazy Taxi HD, Space Channel Five 1/2 HD, Nights HD, and Jet Set Radio HD bombing that's not gonna happen.

[a slime appears]

Sonic Transformed is a pretty good kart racer and a great nostalgia tug.

[Steve Youngblood]

Overrated game is overrated.

This post makes me sad.

[Himu]

Actually, Crazy Taxi did okay.  It was Daytona that bombed.

Ah.

And Shenmue 1/2 HD's never happening due to the fact they both have a lots of licensing to get around (Timex, Coca-Cola, engine) which would cost more than the hassle is worth.

At least there's NullDC!

[a slime appears]

Replacing textures is pretty easy. Selling a game that bombed and no one wants is the real problem. lol

[Himu]

I'm going to regret this but here goes:

Almost all of those games listed above are bombs especially Jet Set Radio. Shenmue 1 is one of the better selling DC titles. Which doesn't mean much, but it sold 1 million in its heyday. The revisionist history that no one bought Shenmue needs to stop. It was a bomb relative to its very high budget. It isn't like it sold 50k or 100k copies like Jet Set Radio did.

And plenty of people want Shenmue 1/2 HD. At least far more people than who wanted Jet Set Radio HD. JSR's audience is so small and niche compared to Shenmue's fanbase. Or even Nights' fanbase, or especially Space Channel Five's fanbase - which barely exist in the 2010's.

In any case, the most expensive thing for Shenmue is the licensed engine, not Coke or Timex.

[demi]

ya its worth checking out. it rox. the battle music :praisejesus

[Himu]

Grandia 2 is better but it is worth playing.

[Beezy]

Grandia 2 is better but it is worth playing.

Agreed. Still have my GC copy.

[Beezy]

Grandia 2's battle system is crack. CRACK. Skies' becomes a chore by the end of the game that you're trying to get through as quick as possible to see what happens in the story next.

[Himu]

Grandia 2's battle system is amazing so it is worth it. But Skies easily has the cooler world, characters, and story.

[Positive Touch]

Overrated game is overrated.

underrated post

[Himu]

Well yeah, that was my point. I did not say they were all bombs, and I did say most. Space Channel Five, Skies of Arcadia, and Jet Set Radio were my main arguments as bombs which I neglected to mention. Crazy Taxi has always been crazy popular, especially in the 'cades. Nights didn't do TOO bad, and it couldn't have, considering it was THE Sega game back in the day for a few years running due to the hype and advertising campaign.

As for Shenmue 2, I contend that putting Mue 2 on the Xbox was a bad mistake. It should have stayed on DC, and they should have ported it and Mue 1 to the ps2 later. Xbox didn't have the audience or interest for it do the numbers 1 did. I know a lot of people who have played and love 1 but never played 2, by virtue of the fact Sega of America never released 2 on DC in NA. Compounded with the fact they never did a port to a more viable system (ps2) and it was over.

Speaking as a Shenmue fan, I simply hate how Shenmue is treated as a complete joke, even at Yu Suzuki's GDC presentation Q&A, and Slime bringing up how much of a bomb Shenmue is, when we're talking about Dreamcast ports, and games that did much worse than Shenmue got HD ports rubs me the wrong way and is again, treating Shenmue as a complete joke and without an ounce of respect.

As for an HD port. I think that a Shenmue HD port would do much better than Crazy Taxi HD numbers. Shenmue has an active community still that are loyal. so I think it'd do a decent job if it were allowed to be ported to as many platforms as possible.

[Himu]

What are Europe numbers? Shenmue Dojo often cites a 1 million WW buyers stat.

[a slime appears]

I'm going to regret this but here goes:

Almost all of those games listed above are bombs especially Jet Set Radio. Shenmue 1 is one of the better selling DC titles. Which doesn't mean much, but it sold 1 million in its heyday. The revisionist history that no one bought Shenmue needs to stop. It was a bomb relative to its very high budget. It isn't like it sold 50k or 100k copies like Jet Set Radio did.

And plenty of people want Shenmue 1/2 HD. At least far more people than who wanted Jet Set Radio HD. JSR's audience is so small and niche compared to Shenmue's fanbase. Or even Nights' fanbase, or especially Space Channel Five's fanbase - which barely exist in the 2010's.

In any case, the most expensive thing for Shenmue is the licensed engine, not Coke or Timex.

Well yeah, that was my point. I did not say they were all bombs, and I did say most. Space Channel Five, Skies of Arcadia, and Jet Set Radio were my main arguments as bombs which I neglected to mention. Crazy Taxi has always been crazy popular, especially in the 'cades. Nights didn't do TOO bad, and it couldn't have, considering it was THE Sega game back in the day for a few years running due to the hype and advertising campaign.

As for Shenmue 2, I contend that putting Mue 2 on the Xbox was a bad mistake. It should have stayed on DC, and they should have ported it and Mue 1 to the ps2 later. Xbox didn't have the audience or interest for it do the numbers 1 did. I know a lot of people who have played and love 1 but never played 2, by virtue of the fact Sega of America never released 2 on DC in NA. Compounded with the fact they never did a port to a more viable system (ps2) and it was over.

Speaking as a Shenmue fan, I simply hate how Shenmue is treated as a complete joke, even at Yu Suzuki's GDC presentation Q&A, and Slime bringing up how much of a bomb Shenmue is, when we're talking about Dreamcast ports, and games that did much worse than Shenmue got HD ports rubs me the wrong way and is again, treating Shenmue as a complete joke and without an ounce of respect.

As for an HD port. I think that a Shenmue HD port would do much better than Crazy Taxi HD numbers. Shenmue has an active community still that are loyal. so I think it'd do a decent job if it were allowed to be ported to as many platforms as possible.

YU SUZUKI 1984 - 1999
END OF AN ERA

[demi]

end of an era

[magus]

YU SUZUKI 1984 - 1999
END OF AN ERA

the butthurt comment of that video

Yeah, the Cube version is much better at encounter rate.

i played the cube version and the encounter rate there was AWFULL, then you had those looper enemies with their high dodge rate and it would increase the annoyance tenfold! i seriously can't imagine how it could be worse

For real though, still haven't played Skies Of Arcadia and wondering if it's really worth checking out.

eeeeehhhh it's allright, not great, not bad, as said above the encounter rate is awfull and drag the game pacing a lot but it's got decent production value (for a 2000 game obviously) and it's choke full of animu jrpg trope, like the villain go into a team that include...

- the evil mature woman!
- the dumb muscle guy!
- the nerdy tech guy!
- the narcistic asshole!

there is a bunch of sidequest and stuff to do like recruiting new members for your airship, finding secret place on the world map (which become a painfull activity coupled with the high encounter rate) and even the occasional optional boss, if you are into a game like grandia 2 there is really no reason you wouldn't like this one

[demi]

Cube version has more bonus content.

More Skies Content

[Tasty]

Actually, Crazy Taxi did okay.  It was Daytona that bombed.

And how does Sega reward it doing okay? A soulless mobile on-rails cash-in.

This is our future. :'(

[Tasty]

What are Europe numbers? Shenmue Dojo often cites a 1 million WW buyers stat.

I don't know, and somehow I doubt they do, either.  But I think it's safe to say it's over a million.  Dreamcast was popular enough in Europe that one of its big games should have done over 200k.

As for the idea that Shenmue HD would do more than the Crazy Taxi ports, I think that's nonsense-poopypants.  I've even shown you numbers and you still don't realize Crazy Taxi's status?  There's nothing else in SEGA's library that's ever come close to Crazy Taxi's numbers without jamming a hedgehog into it.  It has appeal with the mainstream in a way Shenmue could only dream of.  Like, on iOS?  It's SEGA's biggest paid title, with only four free Sonic games having more downloads.  I find it weird that you're protesting Shenmue not getting its fair due while you're simultaneously talking down several other games, with SEGA's biggest non-Sonic hit among them.

Mobile version was a surprisingly decent port. It deserves those numbers.

[Himu]

There's a mobile version of crazy taxi? Oh my god.

[Himu]

How do I do the trial challenges without buttons tho

[Tasty]

If you're on Android just pair a Wiimote or something, lol.

[SantaC]

Cube version has more bonus content.

More Skies Content

Yes Cube version was basically superior in every way

-better textures
-more discoveries, 100% competition rate gave you vyse ultimate sword (i am not sure if this was in DC version)
-The wanted sidequests
-Angel of Death sidequest


I am sure there are more stuff that I forgot to mention as well. Havent played the game in 7-8 years.

[demi]

Differences[edit]
 
Legends is unable to make use of the Dreamcast's external hardware, such as the VMU, to let players know when many treasures or events are near. Instead, this is now indicated in the corner of the screen. The rate of random encounters is slightly lower in the GameCube version but experience points earned are higher per battle to make up for this.
 
There are not many significant graphical differences between the two versions; even the texture level of detail bias remains the same despite the GameCube's more powerful texturing abilities, however, the majority of character models have gained some additional polygon counts, which are especially apparent on most characters' hands, heads, and torsos. In addition, framerate drops that occurred on the Dreamcast while sailing in certain areas or performing certain super moves or magic have also been largely reduced or eliminated. The GameCube makes use of its improved hardware to reduce game saving and loading times as well as battle sequence loading times. Also, the GameCube version does not require the use of a second disc, whereas the Dreamcast version does. However, in order to fit on the single GameCube disc, the music in Legends is lower quality than in the Dreamcast version.
 
Legends, as well as the original English-language Dreamcast version, has stronger censorship of mature content.[21] All traces of cigarettes are removed, shops serve Loqua juice instead of alcohol, and one female character's attire is altered to be less revealing.[21]
 
New content[edit]
 
There are twenty-four new discoveries to be found in exploring in Legends. These are scattered throughout the game and act as a larger source of income for the player. Additionally, inclusion of a subplot involving collecting Moonfish for a Doctor and a young girl named Maria was added. Moonfish, invisible to the naked eye, are placed throughout the game for the player to collect. When prompted by the distinctive sound Moonfish make, Vyse is able to see Moonfish with a special adjustment to his headgear. When returning these Moonfish to the Doc, Maria's bird begins to grow, and is eventually is added to the journal as a Discovery. Another added subplot involving Piastol, a woman who hunts air pirates under the nom de guerre "Angel of Death". Piastol is after Vyse because she mistakenly believes that he killed her father seven years before the story began. She encounters Vyse several times in the game, commonly leading to battles.
 
A "Wanted List" of enemies to locate while exploring has been added as well, most of them being entirely new to the GameCube version. These enemies are markedly more difficult than the rest of the game (including other boss battles), partly due to the fact that they level up simultaneously as the player's party does, meaning that they will be consistently difficult regardless of the player's current level. Legends also contains a new in-game secret, music tracks for both Nasultan and post-attack Nasr, the best set of swords for Vyse, and a secret boss battle.

[Human Snorenado]

YU SUZUKI 1984 - 1999
END OF AN ERA

  That's good hatin' there

Himu, I'm sorry, I know you really like Shenmue, but a lot of us genuinely feel like it's a bullshit, half-assed attempt at a game that people freak out over because they're possibly distinguished mentally-challenged.

[The Sceneman]

Anyone that says Grandia II is better than Skies of Arcadia needs to be anally violated by the Pirates of Old

[The Sceneman]

chick on the right:

[Lucretius]

Himu, I'm sorry, I know you really like Shenmue, but a lot of us genuinely feel like it's a bullshit, half-assed attempt at a game that people freak out over because they're possibly distinguished mentally-challenged.

I acknowledge that Shenmue is generally overrated as a game.  I acknowledge that everything it did well has since been overshadowed by countless games that do those things better.  I acknowledge that the games are barely playable now and look like poop.  I acknowledge that there's no way in hell any dev or publisher would ever put enough money into Shenmue III to make it live up to the hype.

Having said all that, I still wish they'd just shit out Shenmue III using the latest Yakuza game engine.  I think most fans just want the story to have closure.

I'd honestly rather see Sega dump money into a new AAA single player Skies of Arcadia or Phantasy Star game rather than a new Shenmue though.  Maybe Yu Suzuki could just release a nice color manga of the final chapters of Shenmue and be done with it.

[a slime appears]

Himu, I'm sorry, I know you really like Shenmue, but a lot of us genuinely feel like it's a bullshit, half-assed attempt at a game that people freak out over because they're possibly distinguished mentally-challenged.

I acknowledge that Shenmue is generally overrated as a game.  I acknowledge that everything it did well has since been overshadowed by countless games that do those things better.  I acknowledge that the games are barely playable now and look like poop.  I acknowledge that there's no way in hell any dev or publisher would ever put enough money into Shenmue III to make it live up to the hype.

Having said all that, I still wish they'd just shit out Shenmue III using the latest Yakuza game engine.  I think most fans just want the story to have closure.

I'd honestly rather see Sega dump money into a new AAA single player Skies of Arcadia or Phantasy Star game rather than a new Shenmue though.  Maybe Yu Suzuki could just release a nice color manga of the final chapters of Shenmue and be done with it.

[Lucretius]

Himu, I'm sorry, I know you really like Shenmue, but a lot of us genuinely feel like it's a bullshit, half-assed attempt at a game that people freak out over because they're possibly distinguished mentally-challenged.

I acknowledge that Shenmue is generally overrated as a game.  I acknowledge that everything it did well has since been overshadowed by countless games that do those things better.  I acknowledge that the games are barely playable now and look like poop.  I acknowledge that there's no way in hell any dev or publisher would ever put enough money into Shenmue III to make it live up to the hype.

Having said all that, I still wish they'd just shit out Shenmue III using the latest Yakuza game engine.  I think most fans just want the story to have closure.

I'd honestly rather see Sega dump money into a new AAA single player Skies of Arcadia or Phantasy Star game rather than a new Shenmue though.  Maybe Yu Suzuki could just release a nice color manga of the final chapters of Shenmue and be done with it.

I suppose I can live with that.  If today's Sega made Shenmue III, it would still end in a major cliffhanger teasing Shenmue IV which would never be developed.  Today's Sega would never localize Shenmue III for the West either.

[Himu]

How can a game as divisive as Shenmue be overrated? It can't be.

No other game is like Shenmue and narrative-wise, like Shenmue II. What have modern games done to improve on Shenmue? They still have less interaction than 1. Less Easter eggs, less hidden shit. If you can point to me a modern game that actually uses the game narrative to try to try to envoke the same feelings in the player/avatar of II, I'd like to see it. Know any games where the game tells you need to calm down, and forces you to air out papers everyday as a chore? I can't. In terms of narrative, detail, and pure polish, I still find I and II unmatched by game standards. All they are cut scenes with little interactivity.

If you can also point me to modern games that have as much combat as Shenmue I (which isn't very much) I'd like to know about them.

Shenmue ending with a comic book serves no point because the reason its fans love it is how it uses the game medium to tell its story. Shenmue tells you to be patient and find your cool, which is the antithesis to games which are about action, action, action. Story wise, Shenmue's story is just a king fu story of revenge. In manga form, nothing special. In game form, where you actually go through the martial arts training you would in a movie - including the time to contemplate and think of your actions - something special.

[Himu]

YU SUZUKI 1984 - 1999
END OF AN ERA

  That's good hatin' there

Himu, I'm sorry, I know you really like Shenmue, but a lot of us genuinely feel like it's a bullshit, half-assed attempt at a game that people freak out over because they're possibly distinguished mentally-challenged.

I will acknowledge that Shenmue is divisive. It certainly took me a while to appreciate. I will say that it is a love it or hate it series. But the disrespect the gaming community gives Yu Suzuki and the Shenmue series is unforgivable.

[Himu]

I don't think Shenmue is open world. You cannot drive. You cannot fight any time you want because it is embued solely on the narrative (again). I think if you're comparing GTA to Shenmue for instance, that's pretty fucking stupid. What I get from GTA, I don't get from Shenmue and vice versa. I file Shenmue under adventure game. In Shenmue 1, all the characters have names, a story, a daily schedule, a place of residence, and many of them have story arcs. Shenmue's inclusion of holidays also helps it feel like a realized world. In GTA and other open world titles, npcs are blank slates you don't you care about as you run over them.

Saying open world games have improved on Shenmue is not only hilariously wrong, it is patently false. You cannot even talk to npcs in a modern open world games. Again, because Shenmue is not an open world game.

If Shenmue took cues from Yakuza, it'd be a fight fest. No thank you.

The fact that games continue to try to be big story epics without taking a look at what Shenmue did is what makes it unforgivable. So many games today want you to take their stories seriously, but you can't, because you're always on a journey to kill. Let's take Tomb Raider for instance. Lara goes from mewling little archaeologist to a murderer in just a few minutes. It isn't realistic. There is about maybe one - maybe two - fight on Shenmue 1's first disc, and it's towards the end of it. Ryo's on a quest for revenge, but he doesn't go beating people up automatically. If Tomb Raider were Shenmue, you wouldn't be able to kill or get into a fight until almost halfway through the game and when you did, it would be a major event. In Shenmue II, Ryo goes from guy from small town to a fish out of a water, and he's completely overwhelmed by the amount of people he fights. You lose. A LOT. In Tomb Raider, you kill an entire island of dudes. Ryo couldn't possibly do that. And this is why Shenmue fans love it so much. It's one of the few games that contains action and yet doesn't betray its narrative. Because Shenmue has BALLS, and we have learned to not make high budget games with low action and really slow burns, because they don't sell as well.

The fact that gamers cannot handle any type of slow narrative device - whether it's Shenmue or Yakuza 3's Okinawa sections - shows a tremendous lack of something from gamers and why games will probably never be relevant mediums for telling a story.

[a slime appears]

I take full credit for turning this into a Shenmue thread. :'(

[Himu]

It's not a strange comparison. But it's certainly the incorrect comparison.

[Lucretius]

I will acknowledge that Shenmue is divisive. It certainly took me a while to appreciate. I will say that it is a love it or hate it series. But the disrespect the gaming community gives Yu Suzuki and the Shenmue series is unforgivable.

The disrespect Sega gives the gaming community is unforgivable!

For the record, I still love Shenmue.  My PAL copy of Shenmue II is one of my prized gaming possessions.

[Himu]

I sold my PAL copy last year when I needed money. Along with Suikoden II.

NullDC makes up for it tho. Fixes frame rate issues.

[Human Snorenado]

I think that people who dislike Shenmue are having a completely different conversation than Shenmue adherents. Namely that the game is just boring as dog shit, so who cares if what it does is unique? "The flies on this turd are rendered in such loving detail."

[Himu]

The fact that Shenmue is boring is why Shenmue fans love Shenmue. It is a relaxing kind of boring. Not a I want to kill myself boring. But a Star Trek kind of boring. Star Trek is pretty boring. It is about detail in its world and mythos and engaging the audience with its philosophy. Star Trek with more action - like the reboot films - lacks what Trek fans enjoy about Trek. Just like how someone saying modern games are an improvement on Shenmue sounds absurd to a Shenmue fan.

If a Shenmue fan doesn't think Mue is boring, there's something wrong with them. What makes Shenmue unique is its embracing of the mundane, something most games refuse to do. So when you say Shenmue is boring, I'm not going to disagree.

[Lucretius]

I sold my PAL copy last year when I needed money. Along with Suikoden II.

NullDC makes up for it tho. Fixes frame rate issues.

Poseur.

 

[Himu]

I needed money and I had to sell them. Sometimes life hits you hard and you've got a rare ass game someone will buy. I got 200 bucks out of that. That was the hardest game deal I've ever made. Oh well, they're just objects.

[magus]

I think that people who dislike Shenmue are having a completely different conversation than Shenmue adherents. Namely that the game is just boring as dog shit, so who cares if what it does is unique? "The flies on this turd are rendered in such loving detail."

the best part of having never played shenmue is not having to argue about it with himu-chan

[Human Snorenado]

I know this feel. Over the past four years I've sold thousands of dollars worth of nerd collectible shit- miniatures, video games, magic cards, you name it- to finance a car purchase, going back to school, and general living expenses.

It didn't sting for me so much as it does for other people, I'm sure. I'm generally about the least sentimental or nostalgic person I know. The only thing that pissed me off about it is that the magic cards have since greatly appreciated in value, so I would have gotten far more money had I held onto them for another year or two.

[Himu]

At the time it saddened me but the truth is that life goes on and I've got emulation anyways.

[Lucretius]

yeah, I wish I hadn't sold all my first and second gen consoles.  I had a huge SMS, Genesis, NES, and SNES collection. 
I went through a poverty period a few years ago too where I sold a bunch of crap that I'm now trying to buy back on eBay. 

[The Sceneman]

I know this feel. Over the past four years I've sold thousands of dollars worth of nerd collectible shit- miniatures, video games, magic cards, you name it- to finance a car purchase, going back to school, and general living expenses.

It didn't sting for me so much as it does for other people, I'm sure. I'm generally about the least sentimental or nostalgic person I know. The only thing that pissed me off about it is that the magic cards have since greatly appreciated in value, so I would have gotten far more money had I held onto them for another year or two.

yeah didn't you have a Power 9 set? thats like 10 grand right thurr