BICYCLE PEOPLES VS CAR PEOPLES

[MrAngryFace]

FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BICYCLE PEOPLES: FIT AND IN SHAPE, CONSIDERATE, CELEBRATING FREEDOM RITE, NOT MURDERERS (according to bicycle peoples)

CAR PEOPLES: LAZY SLOBS, LIVE IN CAGES, OWN FAT CARS, MURDERERS WAITING FOR THEIR NEXT FIX (according to bicycle peoples)

[Raban]

Why isn't this a poll? There should be a poll.

[Joe Molotov]

Okay, I've added a poll.

[huckleberry]

Add a scooter option!!

Fuck the muscleheads and the hippies.

[huckleberry]

normal bicycle riders are cool but the hardcore helmet heads are worse than anything.

[Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich]

GET OFF MY FUCKING ROAD

[Mr. Gundam]

I'm all for sharing the road with cyclists, but stop at red lights and look out for pedestrians.

Oh yeah, mupepe.

[Himu]

People who walk >

[TVC15]

I find cyclists around here pretty good for the most part.

[thisismyusername]

People who walk >

Cars > People who walk in 90+ degree dry Houston or South Eastern humidity.

Sorry, bb, but I need my AC.

[Himu]

You can't walk anywhere in Houston or the Southeast anyways because they're car havens.

90 degrees? Lol. Try 100+ degree high humidity. Fuck summer.

[huckleberry]

yeah fuck cycling or walking anywhere in the Southeast. Hell even wearing a helmet while riding my scooter my brain was scrambling.

[MrAngryFace]

Im cool with the idea of cycling, but the idea that some of them think they're better and that allows them to do whatever the hell they want drives me bonkers. I don't want to kill them as much as they don't want me to kill them- give me something to work with. I can't drive 20 mph to work every morning- move aside!

[Raban]

so much driver privilege in here, it's disgusting

[Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich]

Cyclist horror story: a few years ago, some nimrod bicyclist bashed my buddy's front fender with one of those retractable batons while we were carpooling to work because I guess he thought he was getting too close. He pulls 20m ahead of the cyclist, gets out of the car, clotheslines him out of the bike (lol) and leaves his calling card, telling him that he needs to pay for the damage. I of course am in the car being a good friend and cracking up at how ridiculous the whole situation is.

Ending: the cyclist's mom (!!!!) contacted my friend and offered to pay the repairs; because I'm assuming there is no such thing as cyclist's insurance. Keep in mind that the cyclist was a 30-something frat dude type which makes the story even funnier.

[MrAngryFace]

The thing is I totally GET the horrors of cycling and that's why I don't cycle. I totally could thought- There's just a lot to come to terms with if you aren't already on some stupid self righteous high horse.

[benjipwns]

So what is the deal with people from under the orange sun who bicycle? They're all [Impersonates them.] , but us guys from under the red sun who drive... We're like [Impersonates them.] . Am I right?! Am I right?!?

[demi]

Fuck Diunx for hitting Raban.

[Kara]

A lot of weekend cyclists I encounter go 4 or 5 wide in a bicycle lane which is just dangerous. I know the bike lane isn't that big but you're not going for a yellow jersey y'all, come on.

[Human Snorenado]

I like bike riding in theory, but in the US we're just too much of a car centric society for it to be a feasibly safe mode of transport, generally speaking. You really need dedicated lanes with little to no larger car traffic in my opinion for it to be safe.

tl;dr- get a car, bitches

[Phoenix Dark]

I saw someone riding their bike today on the road, talking on their phone. SMH.

[Raban]

man, y'all bring up safety like the steel killing-machines that are cars aren't the leading type of vehicular death by a large margin

even if these are older statistics, that's a number over six times greater than the fatalities on bikes. A discrepancy like that probably isn't astonishingly better in today's world.
EDIT: Here's more up-to-date information http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx and as you can see, vehicle occupant fatalities are over 22,000 compared to bicyclists' 677 in 2011 drivers

[cool breeze]

I like bike riding in theory, but in the US we're just too much of a car centric society for it to be a feasibly safe mode of transport, generally speaking. You really need dedicated lanes with little to no larger car traffic in my opinion for it to be safe.

tl;dr- get a car, bitches

yeah, when I visited vancouver they had some wide segregated bike lanes.  seemed like it's be awesome to bike there.

[Your Stalker]

in gta i go out of my way to run over people on bikes

[huckleberry]

My only mode of transportation up until I was 25 was a bicycle ( I just borrowed a car when I needed one). Got hit twice during college - one injury almost cost my my right hand. People are just too damned inattentive to have bicycles and cars in the same lanes.

[Raban]

Quote statistics about vehicle accidents when you got your shit rocked on a bike this year brehs(Image removed from quote.)

[benjipwns]

man, y'all bring up safety like the steel killing-machines that are cars aren't the leading type of vehicular death by a large margin
http://i.minus.com/ibrAouxepIWEom.jpg
even if these are older statistics, that's a number over six times greater than the fatalities on bikes. A discrepancy like that probably isn't astonishingly better in today's world.
EDIT: Here's more up-to-date information http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx and as you can see, vehicle occupant fatalities are over 22,000 compared to bicyclists' 677 in 2011 drivers

What's the number of people driving cars and the miles traveled in them compared to bicycles?

 

[MrAngryFace]

STEEL KILLING MACHINEEESSSSSS

this is why I cant take people who ride bikes seriously

[benjipwns]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-seems-to-care-that-area-mans-bike-was-stole,1468/

"There are 65,000 people in this city, and no one saw or heard anything," Bleidner told a young couple as he taped a flyer to a downtown kiosk. "It just doesn't make sense."

[Raban]

STEEL KILLING MACHINEEESSSSSS

this is why I cant take people who ride bikes seriously

look I don't hate cars, I'm not even against driving them. But the evidence is overwhelmingly in support of the idea that cars are far and away the most dangerous form of street transportation, and by extension the most fatal of all forms of transportation. The numbers aren't biased here. When cars are killing more people than gun violence every year in this country, that counts as a killing machine in my book. I'm sorry that you can't take that kind of thing seriously, but I really do.

To counter benji's point: I'm only guessing that even if we had more bicyclists than drivers, there would probably still be more annual fatalities in cars than on bikes considering the speeds involved and the mass of the average car, not to mention multiple passengers, drunk drivers, etc.

[MrAngryFace]

MADE FOR KILLING. Lets just be happy no one is driving GUNS to work!

[Raban]

[tiesto]

I'm a mountain biker - although there are no 'mountains' around here, there are plenty of trails. Usually just go on trails or side streets.

[Himu]

man, y'all bring up safety like the steel killing-machines that are cars aren't the leading type of vehicular death by a large margin
(Image removed from quote.)
even if these are older statistics, that's a number over six times greater than the fatalities on bikes. A discrepancy like that probably isn't astonishingly better in today's world.
EDIT: Here's more up-to-date information http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx and as you can see, vehicle occupant fatalities are over 22,000 compared to bicyclists' 677 in 2011 drivers

Every biker I know has had a little scuffle or a close one. Even motorcyclists.

Also, that stat argument is lopsided. Everyone drives in America and we are 300 million strong. In a car centric society, of course they're more likely to die in a car wreck than a bike accident. Bike transportation is a minority.

What's that stat up in a country where owning a bike is actually practical, like France or something.

[Himu]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-seems-to-care-that-area-mans-bike-was-stole,1468/

"There are 65,000 people in this city, and no one saw or heard anything," Bleidner told a young couple as he taped a flyer to a downtown kiosk. "It just doesn't make sense."

[Mr. Gundam]

I like bike riding in theory, but in the US we're just too much of a car centric society for it to be a feasibly safe mode of transport, generally speaking. You really need dedicated lanes with little to no larger car traffic in my opinion for it to be safe.

tl;dr- get a car, bitches

yeah, when I visited vancouver they had some wide segregated bike lanes.  seemed like it's be awesome to bike there.

We've got those in the part of Seattle that I live in. They work really well.

Now just stop running red lights and blowing through crosswalks and we're good.

[Shadow Mod]

Took the scooter to the park to shoot hoops. 

[Raban]

devo plays b-ball? would love to play with you

b-ball ladies

[Shadow Mod]

devo plays b-ball? would love to play with you

b-ball ladies

Yeah mostly just shooting since it's with the big ass bf. At some point I'll find an adult league or somethin'.

[Raban]

do it! I really oughta practice more often myself. I have the height for it, might as well.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Something like 90% of Americans have drivers licenses, and most people drive daily. Maybe 30% of Americans touch a bike more than once a year. It's not a realistic comparison.

I understand and empathize with cyclists who feel bullied, but more than a few bikers have a bit of a persecution complex. One of my best friends is a bike nerd, and I always kinda chuckle at how confounded some of his gearhead buddies are that most people don't think cycling is a practical method of transportation.

[Raban]

Something like 90% of Americans have drivers licenses, and most people drive daily. Maybe 30% of Americans touch a bike more than once a year. It's not a realistic comparison.

I understand and empathize with cyclists who feel bullied, but more than a few bikers have a bit of a persecution complex. One of my best friends is a bike nerd, and I always kinda chuckle at how confounded some of his gearhead buddies are that most people don't think cycling is a practical method of transportation.

I was mostly replying to claims from COG and others that riding bicycles is somehow remarkably more dangerous than driving in this country, when if anything the odds you'll be hit are roughly the same. The road is unsafe, period.

Using your percentages, the population of America in 2011, and the number of fatalities recorded in the link I posted, I came up with about 7% mortality rate for cyclists, and almost 8% for drivers. Regardless, the number of people killed on the road in this country is astonishing. I'd like to reply to more of the inflammatory comments MAF is slingin in here, but I'm gonna let it go as I'm sure I've done well enough to make myself look like an anal-retentive in this thread.

[lennedsay]

Almost hit one of these biking assholes today. I don't know about you guys, but when I see a 2 ton hunk of steel and fiberglass on wheels traveling toward me while I'm on a bicycle, I think it's an AWESOME idea to pull a lefty in front of it with no signaling and absolutely no right-of-way. WAY TO GO DUMBSHIT.

I'm jaded also due to living next to a widely popular biking trail that is awesome, yet these assholes still insist on riding on the street literally 2-3 feet from the damn trail.

I love biking, but don't mix me up with these spandex diaper wearing pricks. I also hate car drivers, so I spread the hate evenly.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I don't really think it's more dangerous, but to me cycling certainly feels more dangerous. A helmet isn't as comforting as being surrounded a two ton cage engineered to be hit by other objects of similar mass. When I drive, I know that other people on the road are used to seeing cars on the road. When I ride, I try to stick to my local bike path, but when I have to go on the road I always worry that some dipshit will rip it around a sharp corner and smoke me from behind.

I'd bet that less of the cyclist fatalities were due to rider negligence than the car fatalities were to driver negligence, but I have no basis for that other than my own paranoid biases. I've had a few close calls with cars while riding that were no fault of my own. So while statistically/realistically it might not be more dangerous, it's hard to shake that sense of uneasiness.

[Raban]

when you put it that way, I can understand the concern. the best thing you can really do is bike against traffic so at least you can see what's coming. I was struck biking with traffic, and had no way of knowing/reacting.

even after almost dying, I'm fearless when it comes to bikes. but I suppose not everyone's crazy like that

[Himu]

Bikers who don't use a bike trail or the goddamn sidewalk are probably worse than walker pedestrians who don't use sidewalks. Nothing worse than some fuck who thinks he owns the street.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Nah, unless the street is near completely empty if you ride on the sidewalk, you're a shithead. Nothing worse than getting clipped by some distinguished mentally-challenged fellows handlebars in the summertime, even if they're barely moving. I'm pretty sure biking on the sidewalk is ticketable in a lot of places anyway.

[Himu]

Whatever. Anything to get these people off the city feeder in a 50 MPH zone.

[Van Cruncheon]

if you're gonna be on two wheels, you better have the horsepower to hustle it along, sissybritches

god gave us unbaffled exhausts to startle the spandex set into the ditch

just doin' his holy be-chapped one-percenter will

[lennedsay]

But they are assholes. Car drivers too. Everybody on the road that isn't you is an asshole.

And if they're going slower than you, they're an idiot. Faster than you, a maniac.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I don't get why people are so scared of bikes on the road. Give them a foot or so of room, maybe slow down a bit and keep it moving. I always laugh when I see drivers tail bikers for like 100 feet and then drive almost all the way into the opposite lane when they finally work up the nerve to pass. Grow a pair.

[Raban]

sometimes drivers can be pretty awesome tho. one time I was riding later in evening and I don't have bike lights (just reflectors) and a driver was kind enough to stay behind me so I could use its headlights to see ahead of me on my way home

[hampster]

When I turned 30 I bought a road bike and was all excited to start riding again. I loved my bike as a kid (suburbs, so few cars) and in college I puttered around on a mountain bike (but that was mainly on campus or around it). Anyway, I bought the bike and rode it like twice. I didn't realize how fucking terrifying riding in a city would be. 15 minutes on the road felt like one long heart attack. Clearly I'm not cut out for it

I'm... I'm a wuss :'(

[chronovore]

I lived in the liberal mecca of Santa Cruz for a long time, and my experience with bicyclists was that they were generally self-righteous, entitled, spoiled, and willfully ignorant of both physics and any laws of the road which were inconvenient.

There were a heap of incidents, but the one which summarizes it nicely for me is a four-way stop intersection, with drivers stopped at each sign, the driver with the right of way beginning to move into the intersection having to jerk to a halt because two idiots on bikes simultaneously ignored their stop sign, blew through the intersection, swerving around the driver with the right of way -- they screamed at the top of their motherfucking lungs, "SHARE THE ROAD, ASSHOLE!"

So I'm pretty fond of the story above of the friend who clotheslined the bicyclist to a halt. The bicyclist roaming armed with a flip-out baton was looking for trouble and found it. Fuck him.

Just a friendly reminder that streets are not restricted access (like interstates or expressways) and therefore bicyclists have every right to be there as you do. Additionally, lots of cities have laws barring bicyclists from sidewalks (because they are for pedestrians). My only advice for most of you is to become more alert drivers and go easy on instinctively labeling the psychological other as "assholes".

So, if we take this advice, will you do so as well? 

[a slime appears]

I want to like Bicyclists, I really do. They are improving their health, enjoying the outside, reducing carbon emissions by biking to work, and generally are taking up less space on the roads. Biking is an awesome hobby that promotes a healthy lifestyle.

Unfortunately the vast majority of bicyclists are oblivious when it comes to road safety and usually don't follow regulations when biking on the road. I know there are a few responsible bicyclists that feel persecuted as a result but it really isn't our fault that you're the minority in a vast group of irresponsible idiots.

Also, Mupepe.

[headwalk]

i do both and my considered evaluation is that everyone's a cunt, why don't you all kill yourselves?

[Boogie]

Bikers who don't use a bike trail or the goddamn sidewalk are probably worse than walker pedestrians who don't use sidewalks.

NO.

No biking on the godamn sidewalk.