Amazon buys Twitch

[Takao]

The real problem is that you two are reading Youtube comments.

[Himu]

The real problem is that you two are reading Youtube comments.

Not really. Sometimes they are useful but that's because of my interests.

[Tasty]

I read them cause sometime's they're funny.

[archie4208]

$1 billion well spent. 

Seriously, Twitch has had a huge botting problem the past week or so and they don't seem to be doing anything about it.

[Rufus]

Google should have good tech to detect and sort out stuff like that.

[Tasty]

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$1 billion well spent. 

Seriously, Twitch has had a huge botting problem the past week or so and they don't seem to be doing anything about it.

[Rufus]

The viewer count on the lower right. 230k is huge for a random horror game stream. LoL is the biggest game on Twitch and will only reach those numbers during a tourney (and subsequently fuck up the chat and other things on other streams).

[Tasty]

Google buying the site obviously caused viewership to jump.

The Google difference™

[Tasty]

http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/06/twitch-live-annotations-for-youtube/



Already paying off.

[thisismyusername]

Ah, so that's what those black "recommended by..." bars are on Youtube now. Now to dig through the settings to turn those off.

[Tasty]

Only took them 9 years.



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[Stoney Mason]

Nice. Been waiting for this a long time.

[Takao]

Gamer Syde had a run.

[Tasty]

Finally confirmed.

http://venturebeat.com/2014/07/24/googles-1b-purchase-of-twitch-confirmed-joins-youtube-for-new-video-empire/

[Tasty]

http://justin.tv

Justin.tv is dead, just like YouTube would have been if Google hadn't bought them. Q.E.D.

[Takao]

justin.tv probably died because of google though
they want the normals to stream on youtube or something

[Stoney Mason]

http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/update-changes-to-vods-on-twitch/

[SpeedStats]

And their YouTube exporter is currently borked, so I can't export some of my stuff to YT anyway.

Content ID audio is coming to Twitch, too. http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/

Starting today, Twitch will be implementing technology intended to help broadcasters avoid the storage of videos containing unauthorized third-party audio.  We respect the rights of copyright owners, and are voluntarily undertaking this effort to help protect both our broadcasters and copyright owners.

..

How It Works: Scanning VODs Only

Audio Recognition will only be run against audio in VODs. We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content.

Flagged Content will display an on-screen notification informing viewers that content owned or controlled by a third party has been identified. The progress bar will also be red for the duration of the muted section.

Oh, okay.  I already switched to hitbox/instagib anyway, but this is just disheartening.

[Tasty]

It's not actually ContentID. If it was, it'd be far better. The tech they're going with blocks all audio in 30 minute chunks. ContentID has the tech to block only the portion of the vid using the song.

Not only that, ContentID has been recently upgraded to only remove the song itself from the audio. "Other layers of audio will remain intact." So if you were talking and the background song gets blocked the vid would still have your voice.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2902117

[SpeedStats]

Yeah, I guess it isn't Content ID and something else. And the alternative is worse.

http://www.twitch.tv/dansgaming/b/550331246 - this guy got Fallout music muted and I can't hear him when he's talking during a portion of the video, nor can you hear the SFX in-game.

http://www.twitch.tv/feardarkness/b/555212959 - this fellow had multiple parts of his stream muted and you still can't hear him talking over these parts, or any of the SFX at all

Another person apparently had their Zelda streams muted due to the in-game music.  It's still basically garbage.

[Himu]

everyone but andrex

[AdmiralViscen]

I streamed TLOU multiplayer last night and half of my video is blocked out, in two big chunks. There is nothing other than in-game audio in the video. It occurs both in the menus and in gameplay with no rhyme or reason.

[Rufus]

So gow did Twitch get away with it so long? They should have gotten DMCA complaints before. What was the procedure before the buyout?

[The Legend of Sunblade]

It's a good thing I already swapped to hitbox. I'm only using twitch for ps4 streams cause of no HDMI card.

[nachobro]

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/497149471378001920

twitch defeated by their own garbage flash player 

[SpeedStats]

I wonder when they'll "fix" that.

Hilarious that it can't work right from the get-go like their YouTube exporter. 

[fistfulofmetal]

I streamed TLOU multiplayer last night and half of my video is blocked out, in two big chunks. There is nothing other than in-game audio in the video. It occurs both in the menus and in gameplay with no rhyme or reason.

lmao. my Crypt of the Necrodancer VOD is untouched. How is that even possible? It's literally ALL licensed music.

[SpeedStats]

The muting seems exclusive to the player.  If you download the flv file for the VOD, the audio is untouched. 

So, like someone said to me, it's likely someone could make an unmuting plugin or something soon because twitch can't be arsed to fix their own player.

[AdmiralViscen]

And now their "exporter is over capacity," it's been working fine the last week that I have been using it. It says to email them and they will email you back when it's up and running 

[nachobro]

lmao. my Crypt of the Necrodancer VOD is untouched. How is that even possible? It's literally ALL licensed music.

Same for my Lollipop Chainsaw VODs. Kinda surprised at that.

[Tasty]

who could have anticipated this

I'm not surprised because I never argued ContentID wouldn't be used. That they're not using YouTube's own superior ContentID is a surprise and points to me this isn't a Google-led move.

My argument was that ContentID is necessary for any service large enough, and that it's not even a big deal on YouTube anymore since vids are just monetized by record companies these days instead of being outright taken down.

[Tasty]

Do not ask for whom the DMCA shit tolls, it tolls for thee (if thou becomes big enough)

[nachobro]

I dunno why Twitch doesn't just dump all vods to youtube the same way it does with a G+ live hangout. That seems like it'd be the best way to go about it.

[pilonv1]

tinfoil hat time:

what if the dmca shit was getting too heavy for twitch and this was coming anyway, so they sold off twitch for a ton of money and closed justin tv to get while the getting was good?

I think that's real enough that it's not tinfoil hat talk.

[fistfulofmetal]

Haha, I'm using the Dark Twitch custom theme: https://userstyles.org/styles/78830/twitch-tv-dark-black-customisable-theme

and the dude updated it today:

[Stoney Mason]

Music stuff is not surprising. I was always surprised streamers often just streamed whatever in that regard with no real consequences. What's more annoying imo is that licensed games with music will run into issues like they do on youtube even though the music is all contained in the game.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Yeah I mean I saw some chick twitch hearthstone but it was basicly people paying her money to put their favourite songs on while she plays, like a radio station.

[Stoney Mason]

Yeah I mean I saw some chick twitch hearthstone but it was basicly people paying her money to put their favourite songs on while she plays, like a radio station.

That was/is actually common. People accepting money donations for song requests. I always thought it was odd. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Oh ok, then this isn't surprising at all imho. Freeloading days are over!

[Rufus]

Some people only play music they get permission for from the artists. Lots of Minecraft streamers have very similar playlists as a result.

I don't get why people play music on stream in the first place, especially when they communicate with chat a lot.

[Stoney Mason]

Just got through playing a session of Suikoden 3. I clicked on the recording like I do after any session to make sure it recorded properly and notice the video is acting weird. Like part of it is red. So I look and notice this.


"Audio for portions of this video has been muted as it appears to contain copyrighted content owneed or controlled by a third party".
I don't play music when I stream. I only play the game audio.

 

Fucking google.

Here is the video in question

http://www.twitch.tv/stoneymason/b/555905709

[fistfulofmetal]

well how about you stop trying to infringe on copyrights? you fucking pirate scumbag.

[Stoney Mason]

I own suikoden 3. As I do a number of PS 2 rpgs. They were the only thing I kept from the ps 2 collection I sold a few years back.

[Himu]

he was joking, sweetie

[Stoney Mason]

he was joking, sweetie

ahh... Well you know me. Serious business.

Apologies fistful.

[demi]

It's an error, they repeatedly said game audio wasnt to be blocked. You can appeal it or whatever.

[Rufus]

Who reviews the appeal? If it's the claimant like with Youtube's content ID then have fun potentially having to threaten them with lawyers you may or may not be willing to pay if they persist.

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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/08/08/twitch-music-copyright-deleting-videos/

But who’s claiming copyright?

Some music is being flagged even when the people who performed it swear blind it shouldn’t, just as YouTube’s audio scanning did when it launched last year.

Videos of Crypt of the NecroDancer (which is pretty good) are being silenced while composer Danny Baranowsky insists “nobody but me has the authority to ask for a takedown.” He explained that it “was somehow identified as music in Audible Magic catalog. Even though it isn’t!”

NecroDancer creators Brace Yourself Games are even seeing their own dev streams muted. Shear responded to a question from Brace Yourself, but didn’t say why that might be happening.

Bad matches

Audio recognition is inherently imprecise, not looking for perfect matches. Twitch’s system has, for example, muted some of Valve’s $10 million Dota 2 tournament The International. “That was a false positive (misidentification of crowd noise as music), which we’ve now fixed,” Shear explained.

Presumably their cheering sounded too much like cheers on a song. It won’t be the only noise which just so happens to sound like music in the system.

Poor testing

“The vast majority of matches seem correct as far as we can tell,” Shear claimed. “There are exceptional cases which are of course now very public and embarrassing, but I don’t know how we would have found them without launching.”

The zany notion of testing springs to mind, perhaps starting on a small portion of videos to see how it works, or scanning for matches to see what pops up without following through on muting.
[...]

[Stoney Mason]

It's very unfortunate that so much of this exists in a gray area. so many examples like this exist that are so dumb.






But its okay if you are sponsored.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_QtSMEGimbzlWCE-RWK1dDhtkiNOJvWi

[Himu]

GOOGLE

Is google worse than Apple at this point? I remember when Google was considered like, the company that could do no harm.

[Rufus]

Not to defend Google too much, but a big if not major part of the problem is the DMCA.

But its okay if you are sponsored.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_QtSMEGimbzlWCE-RWK1dDhtkiNOJvWi

Fucking DarksydePhil, really?

And look at that, he seems to have had issues as well. From the "About" section:

This is CURRENT channel which houses all of my game playthroughs, reviews, vlogs and more. This channel was created in April 2010 after my old channel DarksydePhil was put in jeopardy of being deleted by Youtube for false copyright claims.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

How are the worst people consitently so popular?

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[Stoney Mason]

I have a soft spot for DSP mainly because I don't mind the rage but yeah he's a jackass.  It's a weird situation when these things are treated so differently and there are no clear rules.

[Tasty]

If you're hosting video content and get big enough, the DMCA hammer is gonna fall. Period. Doesn't matter if you're Google, Apple, Vimeo, Twitch, etc.

[Stoney Mason]

If you're hosting video content and get big enough, the DMCA hammer is gonna fall. Period. Doesn't matter if you're Google, Apple, Vimeo, Twitch, etc.

Agreed. It's easy to hate on google. But its simply the process of being that massive and being based in America imo. Not that some corporations aren't more dickish than others.

Although I would argue that perhaps these companies shouldn't be allowed to get this large and this massive and monopolistic in the first place. But unfortunately America.

[AdmiralViscen]

My TLOU multiplayer videos are all redded up, both matches and the lobby.

[Tasty]

The DMCA sucks but the safe harbor provision has been just about the only reason media on the internet has flourished at all.

[Human Snorenado]

Clearly Pirate Bay needs to go ahead with their plan to buy the dilapidated old SeaLand platform and fill it with servers.

[Stoney Mason]

I was curious so tried hitbox since a lot of people are talking about it in the wake of the twitch stuff. You can also setup up something pretty easily where you can stream to both at the same time which I did.



Pros:
Obviously none of the weird twitch audio content muting that is going on at the moment.
The delay between you and the stream is much much less than twitch which is nice.
Has a few small nice little features twitch doesn't have. Like I can do a private invisible stream to test something which I don't think you can do on twitch (or at least I never figured out how to)

Cons:

Much smaller community. Doesn't bother me as I don't stream to necessarily get viewing numbers but to some people who are serious about it that would be an issue obviously.
The recording aspect on hitbox seems hit or miss. I've done this twice now and the first time, the stream played properly when it was going but when it came to the recording after the stream was over, it had fucked up and not recorded most of it. After looking around apparently this is a somewhat common problem currently. Big issue for me because that's the #1 reason I stream. For my own personal recordings.
The video player on the site sucks. The streaming playing seems to work decently enough. But trying to watch your video recording or somebody else's video recordings on the site is painful as the video player is incredibly slow and just doesn't work some time.

So I could see why some people would dig hitbox but for my uses it needs more work before its something I would use.

[demi]

Streaming to both would get you hurt if you were a Partner, of course.

[Stoney Mason]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-to-buy-video-site-twitch-for-more-than-1-billion-1408988885

[Howard Alan Treesong]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-to-buy-video-site-twitch-for-more-than-1-billion-1408988885

Amazon?!