Rainbow 6 : Siege

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[BobFromPikeCreek]

Oh god I want that.

[Madrun Badrun]

What happened the the other R6 that they showed a few years ago?

[thisismyusername]

What happened the the other R6 that they showed a few years ago?

It's been renamed to this, hasn't it? The writers were shit canned but it's "plot" or terrorists in America is being done by this ones multiplayer?

[fistfulofmetal]

What happened the the other R6 that they showed a few years ago?

They scrapped that last fake canned game trailer and spent the last few years making this equally fake canned game trailer.

[Stoney Mason]

This video makes the game look pretty cool actually. The thing is I doubt it ever actually plays out all strategic like this.

[Madrun Badrun]

ya.  It makes it seems like everything will be destructible and my guess is it will be a few highlighted spots.

[Madrun Badrun]

That being said I'm pretty psyched for finally getting to play a game that lets me take women hostage. 

[pilonv1]

please have tear gas so I can grief my team mates who don't equip gas masks

[duckman2000]

How cute, they got a girl in there. Is that a new requirement for these gameplay approximations?

Game looks dope, though. Nice to see that they are still sort of giving a shit.

[Himu]

Wow. This looks amazing. Best shooter of the show, for sure based off this demo, but it's hard to tell how much of it is scripted. Are the other R6 games like this?

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Never played Vegas 2. Glad to hear I didn't miss out. Vegas 1 was so good.

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya Vegas 2 was very meh.  Vegas 1 was great though. 

[Stoney Mason]

It's funny because I have Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 in my amazon digital collection but I don't remember ever buying it, and I'm pretty sure I never downloaded it.

Rainbow 6 is one of those old school series that for some reason I never got into. It sort of made a resurgence with the first Vegas I remember but then it seems like Ubisoft didn't know what to do with it or Ghost Recon.

The response to siege has been very good. I would say that from the hardcore shooter crowd it looked to garner the most interest from all the E3 mp shooters.

That despite such a scripted and phony video. The core ideas and pace and intentions seem very good. We'll see if they can deliver it in the final product.

[Steve Contra]

Vegas was so good

Vegas 2 was so bad

[Steve Contra]

Also the shit took place in a like a series of dude's backyards.  The first one was all casinos and shit and then boom, you're stuck in bumblefuck suburbs three miles from the strip.

[Steve Contra]

I don't see that as a problem. mundane places can be  good for shooter levels too. Some of the suburban call of duty levels were pretty fun. FEAR took place mostly in offices  and thats one of the greatest FPS of all time. My main dig at the game is the awful generic online play, bad AI, and an overall feel of being an expansion instead of a new game with effort put into it.

The problem was they called it Rainbow Six: Vegas 2, which reminds you of you, Vegas, not Irvine California

[Eel O'Brian]

Yeah, R6V2 was like Rainbow Six: Backyard Wrasslin’

[fistfulofmetal]

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/vbzopm/rainbow-six--siege-e3-2014--assault-gameplay--round-2-

Actually looks pretty baller.

The main problem I can see is people just being dumb and running around. If there's actual tactics in place this should be a ton of fun. One thing I think would be cool is if maps like this were procedurally generated so you can't memorize layouts and stuff. For a house type map I think that would work pretty well.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Looks awesome. Can't wait.

[Stoney Mason]

[Madrun Badrun]

That looks really fun.  To bad I can't do multiplayer on PC 

[toku]

Those blood fx are really bad.

[thisismyusername]

Heh, video got pulled pretty quickly. I'm not too sure I'm feeling the plane mission. Probably because it seems like it'd just be a total cluster fuck once people figure out the best/fastest way to blow through it.

[pilonv1]

Fuck I was about to watch that video

[sarslip]

game looks cooul.  helluva lot better than battlefield hardline looks.  it's cute that they think people will strategize to that degree.

Vegas 2 was aiight in coop, never finished the first one, 


SWAT 4 was my shit.  Irrational games 

[Stoney Mason]

[benjipwns]

Just saw that you can sign up for an Alpha through uPlay. Date TBD.

[Stoney Mason]

Disappointing, I guess if that was a draw but the PvP was always the draw for me. Speaking of this game, I got sent a beta code from IGN which I guess will turn into an ubisoft beta code at some point in sept. Kind of weird but whatever.

[benjipwns]

Oh well, I got my Beta code today, so I'll play it for free for the month, when actual people will be playing.

Insurgency isn't really that tactical to be honest. It's more of a Red Orchestra type "realism" that benefits from it than setup and run organized tactics.

SWAT 5 is never coming and stop mentioning it as if it will.

PAYDAY/2 is like the only game that feels like old Rainbow Six/SWAT to me. Because of the various multiple objectives and if you do the setup well as a team. Even if it just turns into Horde Mode like two minutes into the missions.

[toku]

Oh well, I got my Beta code today, so I'll play it for free for the month, when actual people will be playing.

Insurgency isn't really that tactical to be honest. It's more of a Red Orchestra type "realism" that benefits from it than setup and run organized tactics.

SWAT 5 is never coming and stop mentioning it as if it will.

PAYDAY/2 is like the only game that feels like old Rainbow Six/SWAT to me. Because of the various multiple objectives and if you do the setup well as a team. Even if it just turns into Horde Mode like two minutes into the missions.

Doesn't have to but stealth mode is just significantly harder to do in Payday 2. Haven't played in awhile though but with how complex some of the heists were getting I doubt it got easier.

[benjipwns]

Stealth mode is also impossible with ANY bots in the game, or basically anyone with an itchy trigger finger.

Except if you play with friends, most people don't even do basic stuff like tying up hostages or putting out med/ammo kits. Let alone using the melee to take out security cameras.

I remember one jewelry store heist which was three people and one bot. We had basically all but looted the place properly unnoticed and are waiting for a safe to be cracked, and the bot wanders out into the alley or something and gets spotted by a roaming guard.

My biggest frustration with people in PAYDAY 2 is actually people who don't understand a bucket brigade style of getting the loot out to the van. Just doing that increases your chances of real success like 300%.

[toku]

[Stoney Mason]

Yeah beta starts tomorrow but they still haven't sent me my beta code yet. 

[archnemesis]

I played the technical beta a few days ago and you guys should definitely try to join the closed beta if you can.

[Stoney Mason]

What a shitshow. They are releasing the keys in "Waves". And apparently the matchmaking isn't working too great for the people who are currently in.

[Stoney Mason]

Got my code and played for like 2 hours.

My early impressions are that I like it. I've never been really into the rainbow 6 franchise so I can't speak towards how this fares in regard to classic rainbow 6 multiplayer but I think its tactical yet fun. Simple but with enough complexity to still be rewarding.

[benjipwns]

lmao at this guy on my team yelling at me for dicking around right before i blow the ceiling and render the terrorists entire horizontal defensive setup as useless by dropping from above

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then he got stuck in some barbed wire

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i didn't know for sure the ceiling could be breached

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[demi]

game is garbage.

[Stoney Mason]

what was i thinking getting legitimately excited for a piece of Ubisoft software

Have you actually tried playing it?

[Stoney Mason]

what was i thinking getting legitimately excited for a piece of Ubisoft software

Have you actually tried playing it?

Friend says he cant get a single match to start

I think its undergoing maintenance right now so nobody can get on but yeah the matchmaking is pretty shit in general right now in the beta. That being said, I think the gameplay is pretty interesting and I wouldn't mind hearing actual impressions pro or con.


On an unrelated note, a helpful video that actually made me aware of some things tactics wise I didn't realize.

[archnemesis]

Matchmaking was perfect in the technical beta. They are probably just getting overloaded by too many users.

[Stoney Mason]

Beta got extended to Oct 1.


Riot shields are pretty damn good. Bordering on OP.

[Stoney Mason]

[Madrun Badrun]

So this game has no single player.   Meh, not going to get it until its cheap on steam then. 

[thisismyusername]

Peer 2 Peer matches on PC in the year of our lord, 2015.

#RIPinPiss Siege.

[Stoney Mason]

The game is actually using dedicated servers but I agree they have latency and tick rate issues currently.

Gameplay is 100% hosted on dedicated servers (you can see a map of our data centers here). The only p2p is in custom matches and LAN matches. When you see the migrating host message, it is migrating the host of the team, which is necessary in order to maintain voice and text comms. We tried to implement the team hosting in a stable way, but in the process we got a little overzealous, leading to the game "freezing" when the migration happens.

Closed Beta is still a work in progress and fixing this will be one of the many improvements we make after.

[thisismyusername]

The game is actually using dedicated servers

"PLEASE STAND BY HOST MIGRATION IS IN PROGRESS" says otherwise. Why would they need to host migrate if we were on a dedicated server?

Derp that's what I get for not reading the quote.

Still, that's stupid as hell that voice/text is P2P while the rest of the game isn't. Probably the first that I've seen that does that.

[benjipwns]

Because of the servers they extended the beta again to the 4th. They also unlocked a players vs. AI mode. You can actually join games in that 100% of the time from my experience. It's you and four dudes going against like 20+ AI guys who have unlimited barriers and stuff.

It's actually more fun than I thought, I throw in the little drone thing and run around the building marking everyone as everyone else executes most of them them, then I do the biggest breaches I can near the last ones and annihilate them now that I found a weapon with sights that aren't horrible. Even if I kill nobody I always finish like second for marking everyone and getting assists.

Will give that another crack this weekend probably, will need to figure out how/if you can put multiple thermite breaches. On the house map, my teammates were running around downstairs and stuff and the last three guys were in an upstairs room that I had one charge on and I wanted to put one on the other side so they both blew in. I wound up blowing the one, throwing in a grenade, then calmly walking around the table they took cover behind and gunning them down.

I like pretending we have no warrant and it's always a meeting of Social Justice Warriors plotting against Gamersgate. The daylight maps aren't realistic.

Also there's no button to yell conflicting commands after I've already opened fire. They should really just play after I've gunned down an entire room. BOOOOOM BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG "STOP RESISTING! HANDS UP! GET ON THE GROUND! POLICE!"

The auto-detect settings are garbage like most non-Volition games, it's really just the texture memory one that seems to do much to the framerate. Everything else maxed takes off like 4-5 fps compared to it all on low. "Low" textures looks kinda like "high" for last gen with all the other effects on I've been noticing in this and other games.

[Syph]

Holy shit was that beta or alpha ever glitchy a week ago
Laughable but also in a literal sense; I couldn't believe some of the shit that was happening
Hopefully the kinks are worked out to avoid THPS5 2.0

[benjipwns]

I'm starting to like this quite a bit. The standard multiplayer is basically unplayable if you can even get a match, but the terrorist hunt mode seems to work just fine and is fun and it sounds like they'll have different versions of it.

I'm not going to grab it at launch or anything but I could be tempted when it gets down to $20-25 if people are actually playing it and it's got a number of good modes.

Was playing last night with some people and we were doing some pretty decent teamwork, sweeping areas and watching angles. Best part was when a guy set up the one characters massive wall explosive that stuns the people on the other side, I threw my little drone under the other door and marked the four guys in the room. He set off the charge and the three of us swept in and nailed all four of the guys immediately. 

Some of the characters special features are dumb as hell. The one guys sledgehammer is fun, but it's sorta redundant with the charges and it leaves you open to getting shot as you bust down things. And the girl with the electronics detector is basically defenseless when you're doing that.

Nobody seems to be listening though, both sides automatically call out to each other and it's directional so you can hear if they're behind and upstairs for example.

Running around with the drone and marking dudes is fun, it's like spotting in Battlefield which I spend way too much time doing when I play that. Also the various streaks in Call of Duty that involve you flying around marking people with drones. I have a problem.

[thisismyusername]

Terrorist Hunt really is the best thing in the game. But it gets old so fast.

[Stoney Mason]

I legit don't like Terrorist hunt. I felt it was boring and on consoles the frame rate for that mode is cut in half so its really  on those platforms.

But then I don't really come from  a background of playing the pc version single player modes from back in the day so I don't have an affinity for the mode. I do like the mp side of it.

[benjipwns]

Terrorist Hunt really is the best thing in the game. But it gets old so fast.

I think the primary issue is that there's only three maps (well..."six" since there's day and night versions), and lots of stuff in the game in general is locked off. It's listed as Terrorist Hunt Classic, which makes me assume they'll have some kind of variants.

The suicide bombers are annoying as hell. But one was worth it in the House map, he blew me up and like all the stuff off the walls and floors and ceiling. So a whole section of like three rooms in the map were just the studs for the rest of the round. I think that's the best map by far because it's smaller and you will tear the whole place apart. Reminds me of the end of long Bad Company 2 rounds where 80% of the map would be leveled and you'd be running through rubble and like random walls that were still standing. Then it'd do that overhead shot at the end of the match.

Even on normal the AI can be tough if it gets the drop on you, I should try the hardest mode before the beta ends at midnight. The description basically says "AI has aimbots."

Also, there's something about you and two other teammates all using wall breaches all in the same area of the house at roughly the same time with debris flying everywhere and all sorts of gunfire. 

I hope DICE takes a long look at a lot of components of this game*, even if it doesn't do well. Though I guess the Vegas games did pretty well? 

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*For Bad Company 3 of course.

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In 2022 probably.

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[thisismyusername]

DICE won't lift anything from Terrorist Hunt because it's a niche mode. People that played Vegas 1-2 made noise about it but most people don't care. Like I said, it'll get old. There's only so many variants and run throughs you can do before you feel you've got your fill of the mode.

I didn't really care for the multiplayer mode at all. It feels like rounds are over way too quickly IMO.

[SantaC]

Tried the beta. Man this game is a glitchfest.

[benjipwns]

Sorry, meant the game in general. Things like providing the player with tools specifically to setup/break through defenses. More ways to scout the area before combat, etc. I liked how everything has a counter to the counter in some fashion.

To be fair, I've barely played any BF4.

[thisismyusername]

To be fair, I've barely played any BF4.

Battlefield isn't really meant to be a tactical shooter, which it seems you want. Rainbow Six was this, but it fell into a niche. You could say the classic (first, PC/X-box OG) Ghost Recon was a bit similar. Maybe ARMA and Operation Flashpoint as well.

[benjipwns]

What I want is tower defense in my FPS and I demand the entire industry cater to my singularity of a niche.

I like the defense side of Rush in BF's, and CP/Payload in TF2.

But I also don't mind attacking an entrenched defense, which isn't offered in Titanfall or Sanctum. And the defenses in the aforementioned games aren't as fortified and dynamic. Though TF2 can be with Engineers. TF2 offers counters to counters amidst the classes.

The one death per round, no respawn, one shot kills, etc. or actual planning aspect isn't as important.

The part I really liked about Siege is that the entry points are not entirely pre-determined by the map. Both sides have to choose what the chokepoints will be, and they can be circumvented.

Also, if there could be some kind of match three system...

[Stoney Mason]

The destruction was great in the game. Exactly what I was looking for in that it wasn't just overkill like in battlefield where its about blowing out a wall or something and just destroying the structure of a map. I like a map to still be a map. Not just rubble.

My only nitpick would be that you can breach down into floors but not up into ceilings. That would have completed it.

edit: I mean you can't rappel up through a hole in a ceiling. You can only drop in from ceiling to a floor below.