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Bebpo

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Help :\
« on: June 14, 2014, 01:39:44 AM »
My fiance has been trying to kill herself because of the chronic pain she lives in from her car accident last year January.  She already had extreme clinical depression and a suicide attempt years ago but she saw a psychiatrist, got on the right meds after trying all of them and on the MAX medication possible, she was stable for a couple of years until suddenly she was stopped on a street and the guy behind her didn't notice and slammed her at 40+ mph.  All the doctors have failed her so far and she's been on a ton of medications, a lot which have made her sick and they never give her strong enough pain or sleep medications to not be in pain 24/7.  She's failed her doctors as well as she is extremely sensitive to pain, has needlephobia and gives up on treatment when it gets painful.  She made it 1.5 months into a 5-6 months physical therapy (the first 2-3 months were supposed to be painful before it got better) but after not seeing much improvement and being in even worse pain for 1.5 months she just lost all hope.

Today we went to a new doctor and when he evaluated her neck he was too rough and aggravated the already terrible pain into unbearable, sent her to an urgent care for 2 hours for a doctor to only prescribe a bandaid drug she couldn't even take and she's lost all hope again and is suicidal overdosing on OTC pills again because the pain is incredible and she just doesn't want to live with it.  This is the 2nd time this has happened in a week.  She's spiraled out of control since she abandoned physical therapy.

I've stopped her suicides each time, but now she wants to go to a psych hospital and be institutionalized so she can be sedated and sleep everyday without pain.  It's her alternative to suicide.  But I'm getting her to flip flop into choice B) giving her PT that was slowly working (and she really liked her physical therapist) + seeing if her pain doctor will up her pain med strength as another alternative.  The 3rd choice C that she's willing to try of giving up on doctors and treatment and using alternative medicine (vitamins, eating better, walking exercise, medical marijuana, OTC).  She told me to choose and I prefer #B because I really believe if she stuck with her physical therapist for 6 months uninterrupted 3 times a week, she'd get better.  But her pain med doctor sucks and is anti-patient and every month it'll be stressful whether she refills her pain meds and she might not give my SO another shot since my SO stopped going to PT a month and half ago and the pain doc only prescribed my SO pain meds and kept refilling them on the condition she was doing the 6 month PT.

She wants #A (or suicide) because she doesn't see a way out, thinks she'll never get better, can't live through the daily pain and see how stressful this is on me and doesn't want me to go through it.  OTOH, I don't trust a psych hospital to take good care of her, not abuse her, and figure out the extent of her injuries and treat them.  I've known 2 people who went to an institution and both came back completely different people.  Also one almost killed himself in the institution, which scares me that she could die there and I never see her again.

Was so happy to have found someone I really love and who really loves me and this downward spiral of depression has been destroying both of us.  A happy day for me is one where she eats food, gets at least 6 hours of sleep and doesn't try to kill herself.  :\

etiolate

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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2014, 01:44:17 AM »
My suggestion: She needs to be in a treatment center until she's stable.  Some bad experiences of yours aren't enough reason to completely avoid the sort of place that can give her the constant attention she likely needs right now.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2014, 01:46:47 AM by etiolate »

TVC15

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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2014, 01:52:54 AM »
There are things other than institutions.  Whatever hospital you go to probably has a psych ward. And in my experiences at multiple hospitals, they treat you pretty nicely. You see a therapist every day (and a psychiatrist if you need one) and the people running the joint generally meet up daily to discuss your case and hypothesize on it in order to provide more targeted treatment.
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Bebpo

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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2014, 01:53:03 AM »
Treatment centers are different than Psychiatric Hospitals.  A treatment center won't be able to medicate her 24/7 pain from her injury.  They're mainly for like going cold turkey from alcohol/drug addiction.  A real 24/7 sedate you Psychiatric Hospital is a scary thing and if you're there, you're there for a while (6 months, 1 year, etc...).  I don't even know how you try to choose a "good" one. 

Damian79

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2014, 01:54:36 AM »
My suggestion: She needs to be in a treatment center until she's stable.  Some bad experiences of yours aren't enough reason to completely avoid the sort of place that can give her the constant attention she likely needs right now.

Right when you have depression it is better to be around a lot of people even if they dont like it.  Because it will help their mood and will be  a safer environment.

fistfulofmetal

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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2014, 01:55:01 AM »
Is there a reason you haven't found a different doctor?
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2014, 01:55:21 AM »
Take her to a psych ward, buddy! You can't always look after her. They can.
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Bebpo

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2014, 01:55:43 AM »
There are things other than institutions.  Whatever hospital you go to probably has a psych ward.

Can she stay for a period of time (weeks/months) while receiving 24/7 supervision (so she doesn't try to kill herself) and medication for the pain?  She wants to go to an institution because she can't live with her pain and doctors haven't been able to help because they're all afraid to give strong drugs. 

Honestly, I don't think her injury is 15/10 pain bad, but rather she has a very small pain tolerance so any pain feels 10x greater to her which is the biggest problem here and what's driving her crazy.  She can't sleep without 1 vicodin + 3-5 sleeping pills + 1-2 advil and that gets her like 5 hours of sleep.

Damian79

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2014, 01:57:28 AM »
Treatment centers are different than Psychiatric Hospitals.  A treatment center won't be able to medicate her 24/7 pain from her injury.  They're mainly for like going cold turkey from alcohol/drug addiction.  A real 24/7 sedate you Psychiatric Hospital is a scary thing and if you're there, you're there for a while (6 months, 1 year, etc...).  I don't even know how you try to choose a "good" one.

I think psych wards dont have the social aspect and it is very hard to make friends there.  Ive been in one to monitor me once and it was boring as fuck and i had no friends there.  :(

Bebpo

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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2014, 01:57:35 AM »
Is there a reason you haven't found a different doctor?

We've been to many.  That's what's breaking her now.  Each new one just causes her more pain, doesn't prescribe anything she hasn't tried or can't take, and wants to do tests and see her a bunch of times before they can do anything.  She was screaming today "NO MORE DOCTORS, I'M SICK OF IT".  Seeing new doctors gives her hope and each time they don't magically help or make her worse it smashes her down.

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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2014, 01:59:21 AM »
There are things other than institutions.  Whatever hospital you go to probably has a psych ward.

Can she stay for a period of time (weeks/months) while receiving 24/7 supervision (so she doesn't try to kill herself) and medication for the pain?  She wants to go to an institution because she can't live with her pain and doctors haven't been able to help because they're all afraid to give strong drugs. 

Honestly, I don't think her injury is 15/10 pain bad, but rather she has a very small pain tolerance so any pain feels 10x greater to her which is the biggest problem here and what's driving her crazy.  She can't sleep without 1 vicodin + 3-5 sleeping pills + 1-2 advil and that gets her like 5 hours of sleep.

I can't really speak on pain situations since I haven't been in one, but they did keep me heavily medicate.  I guess I'd ask before making a decision.  There is 24 hour supervision.  Depending on your situation, they won't let you be alone.  There are very strict limitations on items in them and they are locked off from the rest of the hospital.

I'd give the hospital a call and ask them some questions and see if it might meet your needs.  It's at least an option to consider before going for the nuclear institution option.

EDIT:  Every psych ward I've been in has had the option of socialization with other people there, unless you're in lock up for something particularly bad.

EDIT2: You probably don't want to socialize with the people there.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2014, 02:01:51 AM by TVC 15 »
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Bebpo

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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2014, 01:59:51 AM »
If it was just depression, I'd let her go to a treatment center.  But they won't be equipped to deal with her PAIN which is the root of her depression and what she can't live with and wants to die because of.


Literally, she is in pain and every waking second of the day for over a year now and has to fight to sleep even for hours.  She just wants to give up because she can't fight any longer.  It would need to be a place that could keep her on strong pain meds and watch that she doesn't try to hurt herself and try to help her get better. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2014, 02:01:19 AM »
I'm so sorry, Bebpo.

If she's actually attempting, she should probably be 5150'd. If you're concerned about the quality of psychiatric facilities, I believe an emergency room can also take care of a 5150.

I wish I had more advice, but suicide attempts / ideation based on intellectual reasons are the scariest kind because they have a logic to them that can't be shaken very easily.

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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2014, 02:02:34 AM »


We've been to many.  That's what's breaking her now.  Each new one just causes her more pain, doesn't prescribe anything she hasn't tried or can't take, and wants to do tests and see her a bunch of times before they can do anything.  She was screaming today "NO MORE DOCTORS, I'M SICK OF IT".  Seeing new doctors gives her hope and each time they don't magically help or make her worse it smashes her down.

Sorry to hear. But have you been actually researching the doctor prior? Find out what they specialize in? Maybe look out of your general area?
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Damian79

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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2014, 02:04:20 AM »
EDIT:  Every psych ward I've been in has had the option of socialization with other people there, unless you're in lock up for something particularly bad.

EDIT2: You probably don't want to socialize with the people there.

I've tried to socialize but always fail.  I dont know how to talk in those things because the situation and environment they are in doesnt give you clues what to talk about.

Bebpo

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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2014, 02:05:52 AM »
There are things other than institutions.  Whatever hospital you go to probably has a psych ward.

Can she stay for a period of time (weeks/months) while receiving 24/7 supervision (so she doesn't try to kill herself) and medication for the pain?  She wants to go to an institution because she can't live with her pain and doctors haven't been able to help because they're all afraid to give strong drugs. 

Honestly, I don't think her injury is 15/10 pain bad, but rather she has a very small pain tolerance so any pain feels 10x greater to her which is the biggest problem here and what's driving her crazy.  She can't sleep without 1 vicodin + 3-5 sleeping pills + 1-2 advil and that gets her like 5 hours of sleep.

I can't really speak on pain situations since I haven't been in one, but they did keep me heavily medicate.  I guess I'd ask before making a decision.  There is 24 hour supervision.  Depending on your situation, they won't let you be alone.  There are very strict limitations on items in them and they are locked off from the rest of the hospital.

I'd give the hospital a call and ask them some questions and see if it might meet your needs.  It's at least an option to consider before going for the nuclear institution option.

Thanks,

For right now I'm just worried about tonight.  She always overdoses on a bunch of OTC meds for her pain (she got better after she got a pain doc who put her on 5mg lowest dosage of vicodin.  She was doing 10 500mg tylenol at a time every day + 5-6 advil per day + Moturin + Aleve).  Tonight she took:



5 of each and went to sleep and she's sleeping right now.  Box for Naproxen Sodium is max 3 pills per day and Ibuprofen IB is max 5 pills per day.  Her body got a little cold before she took them right after the new doc messed with her neck, so it's a little cold (normally she's really warm body temperature).  I'm just worried about her overdosing :(

Damian79

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2014, 02:05:53 AM »
PS older doctors tend to give older drugs, new doctors tend to give new drugs which have less side effects.

TVC15

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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2014, 02:08:20 AM »
I think unless you're taking some prescription meds, ibuprofen is pretty safe.  I remember my brother had a prescription for like 1600mg a dose when he was dying of cancer.  No idea on naproxen sodium.  It's my otc painkiller of choice, though.
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Himu

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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2014, 02:09:33 AM »
You shouldn't be taking that much OTC Tylenol meds. That is NOT good.
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Bebpo

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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2014, 02:10:27 AM »
I'm so sorry, Bebpo.

If she's actually attempting, she should probably be 5150'd. If you're concerned about the quality of psychiatric facilities, I believe an emergency room can also take care of a 5150.

I wish I had more advice, but suicide attempts / ideation based on intellectual reasons are the scariest kind because they have a logic to them that can't be shaken very easily.

Last week she was in a combination of female-period stuff starting + hadn't really slept in a few days + drank a lot + stress from family and wanted to drive home, to lock herself in and overdose on sleeping pills.  That's how she tried to die 4-5 years ago and the only reason she survived was a friend on AIM with her saw her getting drowsy in her texts and they took her to the hospital and pumped her stomach. 

3 weeks ago she "accidently" overdoses on 13 sleeping pills and went to the urgent care after waking up violently shaking.  She said she took 6 in the morning and 7 at night and was just trying to sleep in spite of the pain.  She told me last week when she was suicidal that it wasn't an accident and was a suicide attempt.

Tonight she wanted to go home again and overdose but I stopped her.


I don't know if I should call 911 :(

TVC15

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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2014, 02:12:16 AM »
Yeah, people use tylenol for suicide.  I'd steer her away from that.  It's a not-too-pleasant death by liver failure.
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2014, 02:15:31 AM »
Her mom just texted me asking if everything was alright.  Her family and her don't get along and a lot of her stress and depression comes from talking to them so I've been hesitant to get them involved.  Plus her mom is insane and doesn't believe in doctors and raised her to be afraid of doctors and medication (which caused problems even in this when she was afraid of taking x-rays or MRIs, afraid to see doctors, afraid of needles).


FWIW, her mom's side of the family has had 3 women institutionalized for mental health in the last 60 years.  Both her parents suffer from untreated depression as both don't believe in doctors.  They wouldn't let my fiance see a doctor until she tried to kill herself and then she finally saw a psych and got stable on meds (she's on 80mg of prozac).


I'm worried if her family gets involved they'll just lock her in her room and tell her to get better for months and she'll kill herself.

TVC15

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2014, 02:28:47 AM »
What situations ended up getting so severe that the anti-med family finally relented and institutionalized people? Perhaps they could be convinced that a hospital might be a good stopgap in preventing something so harsh?

I certainly hope the situation improves for you both.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2014, 02:36:09 AM »
I don't have any advice, but i'm so sorry beb

Bebpo

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2014, 02:40:07 AM »
I called the psychiatric ward of the best hospital here in Orange County.  The guy couldn't give me a lot of info he said the only way to get in is to take her to the ER at the hospital, they'll run tests and evaluate her and based on the tests and her insurance they'll admit her and the length depends on her insurance and the doctor's recommendations.

I'm worried that if this is just a few day thing that's not going to help her at all with her pain.  Although MAYBE the doctors there would give her a regular prescription when she leaves for moderate pain medication so she doesn't end up back there.  Her insurance sucks so I doubt she can stay very long and her family is poor.

Bebpo

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2014, 02:52:44 AM »
She woke up for a few mins and I talked to her about psych ward, asked if she wanted to go to the ER and go there since she was still in a lot of neck pain even after 10 OTC pain meds.  She said she was tired and just wanted to sleep right now and went back to sleep.

I think I'll talk to her about it in the morning.  I don't think there's anything I can do tonight.  She said she's taken that 5+5 ibuprofen x naproxen combo before and been fine.  I should probably sleep, I don't know if I'll be able to. 

This is...hard :\

Kara

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2014, 03:26:22 AM »
I'm still up and in OC if you need someone to talk to.

Had a rough night, doubt I'll be doing any sleeping myself.

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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2014, 03:33:42 AM »
I'm so sorry bebs. :(

Since she's so sensitive to pain, have they ever tested her for fibromyalgia? An accident can trigger it, and you can basically spiral into a cycle of no sleep due to pain followed by more pain from your body not getting proper rest followed by no sleep again, and so on. Gets worse with stress, which it sounds like she has, and it goes hand-in-hand with depression.

Regardless, you need to get her away from all this toxic stress, her parents included. They aren't helping her. And you might be better off finding her an alternative doctor/chiropractor. There are a ton of things they can do for pain, and a ton of bogus shit, but she just needs some hope that someone is trying to help her. Placebo effect alone could help. I gave up on medical doctors 4 years ago for pain, found two chiropractors I love, and just go to a medical doctor to get antibiotics when I'm sick or whatever. My diet is better, my pain is better, I went from 8 or so prescriptions with debilitating side effects to 0, and I actually enjoy and love going to my appts, unlike a medical doctor. Most MDs are not understanding when it comes to chronic pain, especially if you ask for pain meds like she is. I don't even ask for pain meds, and they still don't help. But a chiropractor will do whatever they can for pain management because they won't have a job otherwise.

Does she have a psychiatrist now? She needs one. I feel so badly for her. She's so young and this happens and you think you'll just feel better soon and never do. That can be the worst part of chronic pain - realizing it could never go away and you can't do the things you did before. I'd think a psychiatrist could help her cope with that realization and help her learn how to accept that it may never 100% go away. I truly believe the pain is so much worse when your whole life is revolved around it negatively. A lot of it is perspective and staying positive, even when it seems impossible.
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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2014, 04:39:52 AM »
Oh Bebop I'm so sorry...  :(

These struggles are not for you alone my friend. You need to seek out some support options to help not only your gf but you through this difficult time. I'd hate to ask this, but have they checked into her possibly having fibroneuralgia? It is a nasty condition that commonly finds itself wrecking havoc in womens lives. My mother went through a very similar situation involving multiple car accidents and depression caused by pain. It wasn't till she had a heavy vicodin dependency that she was diagnosed with fibroneuralgia. It might not help in the short-term, but please get her checked out for it before its too late.

I'd second just about everything Lennedsay has to say about this subject. But I'd highly suggest you also look into getting her into physical therapy on top of going to a chiropractor. In the mean time you should seek the help of a social worker to help find you and her a safe place for her to get better. It's going to take time and if you've got it to give you'll be better off in your relationship with her.

We're here for you duder.

Himu

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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2014, 08:53:20 AM »
Keep the medical mj for her because it's much better than OTC in that you can't OD.
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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2014, 10:32:02 AM »
This sounds super rough; it is easier to suffer than to watch someone you love suffer.

I agree with Lennedsay; getting in on some alternative therapies is a great idea. Physical therapy and sports medicine are also good; a sports therapist helped my neck hernia when the regular hospital spine experts told me to take painkillers and a drug to stop the painkillers from eating my stomach.

Be there for her, but realize that you can't fix her, she needs help for her depression stemming from this.

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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2014, 10:51:46 AM »
Sorry to hear about this man. Lots of good advice in the thread, I'd just reinforce the point about having her checked for fibromyalgia. A family friend went through very similar issues that have been discussed before being diagnosed.

Can you add her to your insurance?
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« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2014, 11:00:14 AM »
probably fibro, which is triggered by a severe injury. near as i can tell, your pain processing centers get scrambled, and the rest of your life becomes a struggle to lower cortisol levels, which is mostly cognitive work. go with option A. i'm sorry to hear about this happening to you. :-(
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« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2014, 04:27:17 PM »
Thanks everyone.  She woke up and we tried icing her neck since she was in the worst pain she's been in in the last 1.5 years and was crying in pain from whatever the chiro doctor did when he just did a quick feel of her neck to evaluate her and the icing helped a lot.  Her neck was burning and hurting and the icing got rid of the burning.  Sounds like inflammation to me (since I deal with burning pains with my Crohn's inflammation).  But icing on and off got her stable and we talked and she calmed down and got rational.  Then after it had been 6+ hours since she took the OTC stuff, she finally had a bite to eat, took some of her vicodin and was able to fall asleep around 4-6am and she still sleeping.  In her sleep she's constantly rolling around and sounding like she's in pain in her breathing because her body is looking for a non-painful position to sleep in.

It could be fibromyalgia.  It's very possible that her tender spots in her back and neck are from that.  But her physical therapist said her neck muscles had shortened and were very stiff/tight and stuff like icing working makes it seem like there's still an injury.

When we went to this Chiropractor who was recommended by a family friend who had been in terrible chronic pain from an injury for 2 years and no doctors could figure it out and this guy identified it as Internal Disc Disruption, he was rough in his evaluation (bad) but we did get one thing out of it possibly:  She previously had X-rays and MRIs done of her back and neck last year.  But this guy looked and said "she's missing her neck X-ray; there's a neck/back MRI and a back X-ray, but no neck X-ray" and we realized he was right.  We just assumed the X-rays (which said nothing was wrong) were the back+neck.  So she went and got x-rays done yesterday and they were supposed to be 5 x-rays, but she thinks the x-ray technician saw something and asked her to do a couple more on top of that.  We'll get the report on Monday or Tuesday and I have the cd images but my home computer's cd drive is busted and I have no way to read cds :\

To answer Lennedsay, she has a psychiatrist.  He's prescribing her Ambian to help her sleep but she hasn't picked up the prescription from him yet and was going to get it on monday.  Also this last week we tried alternative medicine guy whose a friend of my dads.  He's a cool guy and she likes him and he gave a lot of advice but like here's what he suggested:

-Eat healthy (no sugars, stick to organic meats, lots of vegetables) - Sounds good, she can do this.
-Eat lots of green/blue algea & sea salts - Uh, ok, can try this.
-Take lots of fish oil, Vitamin B, Vitamin D - She already takes fish oil and Vit D, she can't take Vitamin B because it's a serotonin booster and it mixes with her high dosage of SSRIs (Prozac) and causes scary side effects.
-Take OTC sleeping aids - the ones he named are serotonin and she can't take them
-Exercise, try to do walks a little more each day until you're doing 1.5 hours - Great advice and we take walks and she needs to get more into this
-Probiotics - Ok, I take probiotics personally but that's cause I have Crohns and I thought probiotics are mainly for the digestive system health.  She can try this though.
-Medical Marijuna - We haven't tried this yet, might help, maybe.
-EFT Therapy - Ok, here's the big one.  He wants her to do this Emotional Freedom Technique therapy by a Dr. Mercola to wish away her problems.  Now the problem is my fiance is A) very very intelligent (she has a crazy high IQ; like genius level), B) a Psych major and C) very skeptical.  So she remembered Mercola's name from her psych classes where they talked crap on him and explained how all his psuedo-science was not real and only placebo and it only worked on people because they "believed" in it.  She also did research on Mercola and saw he was one of the original anti-vaccination crazies among other things so she's like "lol, no way I'm touching this with a 10 foot pool"

Basically he wants her to live a healthy lifestyle, smoke weed and use the EFT technique for 3 months and he thinks it'll get her feeling a lot better and then as a chiropractor as well he'll start doing minor adjustments to help her feel better.  But none of this stuff is going to be immediate benefits and I think that's one of the bigger problems is she's in so much pain when she sees new doctors she wants something that will help the pain decreases right away from the very first appointment and gets depressed when there's nothing that does that.


I think the plan is:

1) When she wakes up, will go to my office and look at her neck X-ray images just to see if anything really pops out when compared to healthy neck x-ray images.  When I tore my knee last summer, I looked at the X-rays before getting the x-ray report and even I could see there was something there.  Would be nice if there was SOMETHING shown since the fact that the other X-rays/MRIs haven't shown anything much is a big reason I think doctors are more iffy with her.  Most doctors only go with physical evidence that they can see.  If there's some crack or lesion or something visible it'd really help on figuring out a way to get it better.

2) Will keep icing her wound and get her some of her med MJ and see if it helps the pain level.  If she's up to it, take a walk, eat healthy (she hadn't eaten in 2 days because her aunt called her "chubby" [she weighs 107 pounds] and it re-affirmed her body image problems she has where she always thinks she's fat, so after hearing that she stopped eating entirely on Thursday and has only been taking cinnamon pills & drinking water [though she might have had a snack to eat before taking her vicodin this morning, I fell asleep so don't know]).

3) She's seeing her pain and rehabilitation doctor on Monday.  Going to ask her doc for 1) A blood test (because she hasn't had one in these 1.5 years despite being on all these meds and overdosing on OTC) and 2) test for fibromyalgia.  Also give her the X-ray images if she doesn't have the report by then have that doc take a look.

4) Get her ambian prescription and see if it helps her sleep.

5) She needs to start eating again.  Sleep + Eat = she can manage.  Take away either and she gets edgy and frustrated and can't live with the pain.

6) Get the x-ray report on Mon/Tues and see what it says.

7) After this can see if there's an ideas or if a psych ward would be the answer.  She changed her mind and she really doesn't want to go to a psych ward.  She either wants to get away from everything and be institutionalized for 6 months to a year and have her pain sedated or she wants to deal with it by living with OTC stuff and alternative medicine and no more doctors or prescriptions besides what her psychiatrist gives her.  At least if the x-ray or fibromyalgia tests show something definitive, she'd probably be willing to go the route of seeing 1 doctor to treat with it + her psychiatrist.


Since she won't voluntarily go into anything, I need to find a way to work with her to get a working plan going or call 911 and have them pick her up and evaluate her.  Not a good situation to be in :\

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« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2014, 05:30:38 PM »
I'm so sorry all this is falling on your shoulders Bebsy. Definitely do try the pot, it at the very least will help her appetite. Like, text some friends, get a flippin baggy and smoke her out today
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« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2014, 05:56:31 PM »
You actually seem to be covering all bases, Bebpo. You're trying to make sure she's sleeping, eating, exercising, getting the right medication, and much, much more.

What I'd be worrying more about at this stage is you to be honest, or the relationship itself. I tried to be a caretaker in a previous relationship (she had the same issues, and was suicidal), and it drove me mad. Helped her out and everything, but I couldn't be with her anymore - too much bad blood spilled in the process of helping her. Made me stress out a ton a lot and I'm now feeling the repercussions of that stress with chronic pain & health issues of my own.
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« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2014, 06:05:32 PM »
Jesus that's horrible. I'm so sorry bebs.... Keep us updated.

I can't see a regular chiropractor because they're often too rough. I see an Upper Cervical chiropractor now, and they usually lightly adjust your neck only. They're few and far between, but they did have at least 3 in the LA region when I looked it up. That may be better for her.

My other chiropractor is a naturopath, does applied kinesiology and is an all encompassing witch doctor. lol she'll touch my nose and tell me I'm not drinking enough water. It's crazy, but she knows her shit, is hilarious and is awesome to go drinking with. :P

If she does have fibro, they'll do a muscle test where they'll touch 18 spots on her body that are common pain points for fibro. They may also have her do a blood test to rule out everything else. It can take several years for doctors to give a proper diagnosis because so many doctors don't understand it. Even now, my doctor will say, "oh you should be able to do X because you're so young and healthy!" I'll sarcastically reply with, "except that whole can't-walk-sometimes thing!" They are all so dismissive about it I basically break down in tears after every visit. I just happened to go to my mom's DO once when I was sick and he was like, "Wait, you're in pain how often?" and diagnosed me that day after 20 years of unexplained widespread pain.

Keep fighting for her bebs. Someone out there is bound to be able to help her. Put her on a plane to STL if you have to and she can meet my crazy, awesome chiros. Also smoke her out ASAP.
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« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2014, 06:32:46 PM »
By the way, marijuana has been in the news as good for Crohn's as well recently. I didn't know you had Crohn's, Bebs, but you should also give this a shot. In trials, it has been good at removing symptoms and even driving the disease into remission in some cases.

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« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2014, 10:57:45 PM »
holy shit man, I'm so sorry.

I can only say knowing that people with severe depression issues, it really can be a bit like having an actual Mr. Hyde (usually a self-destructive Mr. Hyde) inside of them.  Compounding that with those hellish physical problems, and, geez.

I'm so very sorry for your incredibly horrific situation.  Keep your chin up, better days can be ahead for you, its probably hard to see them now, but they're there.

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« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2014, 11:03:49 PM »
I hate that I have no advice and can't add anything, but it's awesome that you're not giving up on her and looking into getting her the help that she needs.   I know what it's like to live in constant pain, but I've never had it anywhere near as bad as what your fiancee is feeling.  Having someone there for you really can make a difference.

Hope everything works out; really pulling for you. 
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« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2014, 12:26:55 AM »
Thanks again for the encouragement and kind words.

Today went ok, I looked at her x-ray but couldn't tell if anything was a miss.  Will have to wait for the x-ray report.  My fiance woke up feeling a lot better after getting 8-9 hours of sleep.  She ate last night before she slept (and didn't take any vicodin, just a couple of sleeping pills) and then ate this morning and I brought back a meaty lunch from delicious Mexican and she ate more than me!  Then she rested in bed as her back and neck were sore (better than last night's screaming pain, but like 8/10 don't want to move pain) and after staying with her for a while I got her to get out of bed and we took a walk in the sun.  Then she went back into bed because she was sore and got kind of depressed/sad and is spending time alone tonight while I'm in the other room. 

She could take her vicodin and feel A lot better and be in a better mood tonight but after yesterday she basically decided she wants to learn to deal with the pain without relying on prescription medication or overdosing on OTC so that the pain won't drive her into suicidal nervous breakdowns.  While I respect that, I don't know if being bedridden and in too much pain to do anything and just hurting and feeling sick/sad is really a good alternative...She says she wants to at least do this until her Monday appointment with her pain doc in-case her pain doc gets rid of her vicodin perscription.

She's using the ice pack but it's not doing much at this point  besides quelling the burning which comes back after she takes it off.

She's not ready to try the medical MJ.  Basically while we have the goods, he vaporizer is at her apartment 25 mins away and she's not up to the drive and she doesn't want me to go because she's not sure where it is and doesn't want me rummaging through her private drawers cause embarrassing.  She's also using this as an excuse as she says sometimes MJ makes her paranoid and she's afraid to take it right now.  She told me she'll get it from her place tomorrow but I'm not sure if that will happen.  There's a smoke shop just right down the street from me that has all kinds of hookas and stuff so I'm guessing they'd have what she needs but I wouldn't be able to figure out what it is exactly that she needs because I know nothing about weed.

I'm not a super fan of her being alone, but I understand what it's like to be in pain and need some space so I'll leave her alone tonight.  A little worried about tomorrow because it's Father's Day and I really need to go to my family's bbq in the afternoon.  My SO already told her family she's not going to theirs because she isn't feeling well.  Not sure if I want to leave her alone for a few hours.  Feel bad about it right now.  But if I took her to the family bbq it'd just add stress.  So I'll probably just stop by my family's thing for 1-2 hours real quick and spend time with her otherwise.  Though really just taking it a day at a time right now, so I'll see how she's doing in the morning.

By the way, marijuana has been in the news as good for Crohn's as well recently. I didn't know you had Crohn's, Bebs, but you should also give this a shot. In trials, it has been good at removing symptoms and even driving the disease into remission in some cases.

Yeah, I'm down to try.  Though never been a fan of MJ since high school days and since I was diagnosed with Crohn's almost 10 years ago I went through trying everything perscription and alternative and nothing really helped much until I had a surgery in 2009 where they cut out the Crohn's in my small intestines and then I went on a hardcore expiremental drug that'll probably give me mutations when I'm 55 called Remicade and it's kept it from coming back too majorly pretty well for the last almost 5 years.  Every 7 weeks I spend a day with chemo patients getting drugs IV'd into my veins with side effects that make me sick, feverish and high anxiety for the 3-4 days that follow.  But the other 6 weeks between I live like a fairly normal human being which is something I struggled to do back before my surgery.  Kept me pretty introverted for 6 years or so.

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« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2014, 12:45:17 AM »
I'm glad she's getting on well! Is alone time a good thing if she's been suicidal, though?

Here's hoping the x-Ray results are cool!

RE: marijuana, go to the smoke shop and tell them the situation with her chronic pain, inability to sleep, and lack of hunger. Also tell them she sometimes gets paranoid on weed. They should have something. An indica sounds more her speed than a sativa. Since she has had weed paranoia before I would not recommend using what you have since you have no idea what kind it is.

RE: crohn's pain. Hollllly shit. Bebpo it is a wonder you're always so positive. You are the coolest dude ever.
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« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2014, 01:42:41 AM »
I'm glad she's getting on well! Is alone time a good thing if she's been suicidal, though?

Here's hoping the x-Ray results are cool!

RE: marijuana, go to the smoke shop and tell them the situation with her chronic pain, inability to sleep, and lack of hunger. Also tell them she sometimes gets paranoid on weed. They should have something. An indica sounds more her speed than a sativa. Since she has had weed paranoia before I would not recommend using what you have since you have no idea what kind it is.

RE: crohn's pain. Hollllly shit. Bebpo it is a wonder you're always so positive. You are the coolest dude ever.

Thanks Himuro, great point about the MJ.  I hadn't considered that and after talking with her, yeah she's had some bad paranoia experiences with weed and one friend who already had mental health issues got so messed up on taking too much strong weed that she ended up institutionalized in a mental hospital because of a bad trip.  So she really wants to stay off it because with everything going on right now she doesn't want to chance adding in paranoia on top of that.  I agree.  It's unfortunate that she can't take a lot of medications because she gets bad side effects, but it is what it is.

Re: alone time, well she's not suicidal now, just depressed/sore pain.  I'm stopping by every 15-30 mins and saying hi.  She's just reddit reading on her laptop in bed right now and I'll join her later tonight.  She's definitely depressed/sad as she's gotten monotone and non-emotional (she's usually pretty emotional) which means she's down and is trying to just not feel anything at all at the moment.  Hopefully if the soreness from yesterday gets even less painful tomorrow and she gets another good night sleep she'll be doing a bit better tomorrow morning when she gets up.

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« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2014, 02:11:35 AM »
That's a bummer, side effects like paranoid usually do subside with continued weed use though

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« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2014, 02:17:18 AM »
When you get medical marijuana, ask for something that's high cannabidiol and low THC.  THC is what gets you high and cannabidol is the part that's considered more medical.  THC is what will also make you paranoid.  They'll know what you mean if you ask for a strain that's high cannabidiol at the shop.
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« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2014, 02:19:34 AM »
You want something high CBD and low THC as TVC said. CBD will have medicinal properties. THC is what gets you high.
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« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2014, 06:44:37 AM »
And we broke up.  In the end she and I agreed that are faults are we both care more about each other than about ourselves and she said that's not healthy and she can't be in this relationship seeing her problems bring me down daily as I try to be there for her. 

She says she's not suicidal anymore, just wants to get off all pain/sleep meds all together, and get away from everyone (she deleted her facebook) and be alone so she can avoid thinking about all this pain and scary stuff.

I understand where she's coming from even if it's not a good idea for her health in the long-term, but in the short term everything is overstressing her out and I can see why.  If she's really not suicidal, I'll respect her decision and say goodbye but at least text her parents the situation about her mental health and suicide attempts so hopefully, even if they don't get along with her, they can make sure she keeps on living.

She just can't take having these "fights" where she breaks down and I try to help every night and she needs to get away.  It's pretty hard for me, but I don't think there's anything I can do...


fwiw all of this came out of me saying she can just ask to get a blood test done when she sees her doctor on Monday after she said she was stopping all her meds because she was afraid she's been overdosing OTC for so long she is all screwed up and is going to die from liver failure.  I said it'll be ok, that she's probably fine and no worse than college dorm kids drinking for a year and she turned that around into "probably?  That means there's a chance I could DIE" and she started having a panic attack, got really scared and just gave up on the relationship and doctors, tests, medical because it's all too frightening and she'd rather just not think about it :\
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« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2014, 09:23:48 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2014, 09:46:38 AM »
So sorry man
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« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2014, 09:46:45 AM »
Liver damage from painkillers is no joke but there isn't much you can do once the drugs are out of the body. Sorry about your experience and I hope you both will be able to bounce back.

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« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2014, 10:17:13 AM »
 :-\ Bebpo.   :(
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« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2014, 11:48:59 AM »
I'm so sorry Bebpo.

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« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2014, 12:16:46 PM »
I'm so sorry, Bebpo.

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« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2014, 01:29:57 PM »
Really sorry to hear, Bebpo :(
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« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2014, 01:34:11 PM »
I'm really sorry Bebs. Sometimes you just can't help people who don't want to be helped :/

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« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2014, 01:50:23 PM »
Sorry, bud. I know you're probably not thinking about it now, but the upshot is your life is gonna get a whole lot less stressful soon.
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« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2014, 02:14:05 PM »
I'm sorry Bebpo :( If anything good could come of this, it's that the drama has to die down.
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« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2014, 02:25:25 PM »
Hang in there, dude. I know you have deep feelings for her, but it's gonna be ok in the long run. I know it doesn't seem like it now, but it will get better.
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« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2014, 02:34:12 PM »
wow. first off, i am really sorry that *YOU* hafta go through this. her enormous issues aside, you're suffering as much as she is, despite the stoic attitude (which is very admirable).

that said, it is good that it came to a head. crazy can be spikes of fun and passion amid the tedious banality of life; crazy can be intensely, personally satisfying like nothing else; but crazy can also drag an empathic soul like you down into the drowning depths along with it. you will want to go back to her time and time again, but, if i offer ONE personal piece of advice on this forum: straighten up your broken back and WALK AWAY. crazy is meant for people who feel less. crazy makes passion by eating empathy raw. you, of all the folks i've met on the internet, need someone in a good state of emotional repair, who can lift you up.

that's all the serious drinky you guys get.

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« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2014, 02:54:30 PM »
All the best Bebpo.