Author Topic: i blame Andrex (Read 3475 times)

Eschaton · « **on:** June 17, 2014, 10:37:04 AM »

http://theverge.com/2014/6/17/5817408/youtube-reportedly-block-videos-indie-artists

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As YouTube prepares to roll out an ad-free streaming music service, the Financial Times is reporting that it will block videos from indie artists who don't sign up for this new offering. According to the story, YouTube has signed deals with the major labels, and is explicitly threatening to block artists from using the entire YouTube platform, free or paid, if they do not agree to the terms of the new streaming service.

The FT quotes Robert Kyncl, YouTube’s head of content and business operations, confirming that the service plans to block videos from any artists or labels who have not signed on to its new paid service, "to ensure that all content on the platform is governed by its new contractual terms."

The Guardian points out that this would affect a number of big names artists, potentially eliminating names like Jack White, Adele, and The Arctic Monkeys from YouTube. A YouTube spokesman told The Verge, "Our goal is to continue making YouTube an amazing music experience, both as a global platform for fans and artists to connect, and as a revenue source for the music industry. We’re adding subscription-based features for music on YouTube with this in mind -- to bring our music partners new revenue streams in addition to the hundreds of millions of dollars YouTube already generates for them each year. We are excited that hundreds of major and independent labels are already partnering with us."

A source familiar with the situation confirmed to The Verge that most of the details in the FT story were accurate. YouTube does not want to launch a paid service and then be forced to show some videos in ad-supported mode, or offer users the ability to take videos offline, but not be able to offer that for big names like Adele or Jack White. It is going to begin blocking artists whose labels have not signed on to its new licensing terms in the countries where those deals apply, starting in a few days, although the paid service is not expected to roll out that soon.

Tasty · « **Reply #1 on:** June 17, 2014, 10:41:51 AM »

Sounds like a power play thing. Doubt it'll last.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2 on:** June 17, 2014, 10:42:06 AM »

Well this just makes ADD52 even more appealing to indie artists. Hmmm.

Momo · « **Reply #3 on:** June 17, 2014, 10:45:06 AM »

fuck off google

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #4 on:** June 17, 2014, 10:51:56 AM »

So, xvideos and youporn to branch out to music videos?

Does this affect vevo?

Himu · « **Reply #5 on:** June 17, 2014, 10:55:06 AM »

CAN SOMEONE PLEAAE MAKE A VIABLE YOUTUBE ALTERNATIVE.

king of the internet · « **Reply #6 on:** June 17, 2014, 10:57:21 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 10:55:06 AM

CAN SOMEONE PLEAAE MAKE A VIABLE YOUTUBE ALTERNATIVE.

Wouldn't that be Vimeo? Seems like a good alternative to Youtube, only problem is that Youtube is so massively popular that it's pretty much the default place to watch videos.

huckleberry · « **Reply #7 on:** June 17, 2014, 11:02:36 AM »

The fuckwittery at Google continues.

king of the internet · « **Reply #8 on:** June 17, 2014, 11:15:00 AM »

Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2014, 10:58:44 AM

jewtube also just has a wealth of e-history; tons of content you simply can't find anywhere else or will take time to move. it's like facebook in that sense. If it wants to get replaced you'll need a new, disruptive type site that does what it does but different AND better.

This too. Sure, people could try to take a stand and exclusively use a site like Vimeo over Youtube, but ultimatately they'd be depriving themselves of a fuckton of content. And creators would be sharing with an exponentially smaller audience. Guess we're fucked.

Tasty · « **Reply #9 on:** June 17, 2014, 11:16:30 AM »

Vimeo's more of an artist's site. It's doing its own thing pretty well, but that means it's pretty niche-y.

I doubt any site will be able to challenge YouTube for general video hosting.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #10 on:** June 17, 2014, 11:45:02 AM »

Daily Motion is the closest thing to a YouTube alternative at this point.

Momo · « **Reply #11 on:** June 17, 2014, 11:47:10 AM »

metacafe

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #12 on:** June 17, 2014, 12:07:40 PM »

The new up-and-coming digital media trend for cool people is the #indieweb aka just having your own website that you put your stuff on, according to Cool People I Follow On Twitter

Momo · « **Reply #13 on:** June 17, 2014, 12:10:09 PM »

Those people must enjoy having three and a half listeners

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #14 on:** June 17, 2014, 12:17:12 PM »

Indiens had good run

hashtag murica

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #15 on:** June 17, 2014, 12:37:35 PM »

Stan for multinational corporations, brehs.

Quote from: king of the internet on June 17, 2014, 10:57:21 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
CAN SOMEONE PLEAAE MAKE A VIABLE YOUTUBE ALTERNATIVE.

Wouldn't that be Vimeo? Seems like a good alternative to Youtube, only problem is that Youtube is so massively popular that it's pretty much the default place to watch videos.

Don't worry, Google will buy up Vimeo soon enough.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #16 on:** June 17, 2014, 12:40:13 PM »

don't be evil

Rufus · « **Reply #17 on:** June 17, 2014, 12:53:06 PM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on June 17, 2014, 12:40:13 PM

don't be evil

But Eel, they're really only doing this for the benefit of everyone. Honest.

benjipwns · « **Reply #18 on:** June 17, 2014, 02:43:54 PM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on June 17, 2014, 12:40:13 PM

don't be evil

They never said against who.

Tasty · « **Reply #19 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:10:27 PM »

On the one hand, no more Adelle or Jack White on YouTube.

On the other, no more ads on music videos and finally offline videos.

huckleberry · « **Reply #20 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:26:51 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 17, 2014, 03:10:27 PM

On the one hand, no more Adelle or Jack White on YouTube.

On the other, no more ads on music videos and finally offline videos.

adblock plus

greasemonkey + youtube center

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #21 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:34:29 PM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on June 17, 2014, 12:40:13 PM

don't be evil

I want Eel to run my favorite multibillion corporation.

Tasty · « **Reply #22 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:49:47 PM »

Quote from: halgorithmic on June 17, 2014, 03:26:51 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 17, 2014, 03:10:27 PM
On the one hand, no more Adelle or Jack White on YouTube.

On the other, no more ads on music videos and finally offline videos.

adblock plus

greasemonkey + youtube center

Offline vids is more pertinent to the phone/tablet apps.

huckleberry · « **Reply #23 on:** June 18, 2014, 10:00:04 AM »

This seemed like a good place to ask without making a new thread.

Does anyone else have problems with The Bore in Chrome? I swear to fuck the page crashes all the fuck time. Not one problem with Firefox. I thought it might be an extension problem but it does the same thing with all extensions disabled.

Tasty · « **Reply #24 on:** June 18, 2014, 05:53:22 PM »

I do not.

Tasty · « **Reply #25 on:** June 20, 2014, 12:49:02 PM »

http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/20/5827554/indie-labels-youtube-paid-streaming-service

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Believe Digital, an independent label based mostly in Europe, said that it agreed to the terms in February of 2014. Critically, Believe says it was a good deal. "The new contract includes a significant increase of the revenue share rate on user-generated content for sound recording. This type of use is currently the largest source of revenues from YouTube."

Believe's memo says that it researched the rates YouTube was offering and found they were on par with those offered by services like Spotify, Deezer, and Rdio. Critically, it was also the same deal YouTube gave the big players.

huckleberry · « **Reply #26 on:** June 20, 2014, 12:57:07 PM »

Andy have you heard a time frame for the youtube update to listen to music in the background while using other apps? Maybe its related to this music service.

Tasty · « **Reply #27 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:01:20 PM »

Quote from: halgorithmic on June 20, 2014, 12:57:07 PM

Andy have you heard a time frame for the youtube update to listen to music in the background while using other apps? Maybe its related to this music service.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/22/apk-teardown-youtube-5-2-27-hallelujah-background-audio-is-finally-coming-to-youtube-for-android/

The setting was added last October but hidden from users. There's a good chance it will launch alongside this new service.

Squiddy · « **Reply #28 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:03:49 PM »

Andrex, can't you make like a youtube alternative?

Tasty · « **Reply #29 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:07:36 PM »

Costs are the biggest barrier. I could probably give it a shot.

Himu · « **Reply #30 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:12:17 PM »

YouTube not playing in the background isn't a big deal because there's so many apps that let you do that.

Tasty · « **Reply #31 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:17:45 PM »

Quote from: Esch on June 20, 2014, 01:10:28 PM

Quote from: Squiddy on June 20, 2014, 01:03:49 PM
Andrex, can't you make like a youtube alternative?

i don't know if the world's ready for YouSperg

I've toyed for years with ideas for various streaming UI's. I should just go ahead and do it...

Maybe then Google will buy me and my entire life won't be a waste.

Squiddy · « **Reply #32 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:32:22 PM »

Just make the bittorrent of video streaming.

People use an HTML5 app or download a program, and can then upload whatever they want. It'll look like youtube more or less in that people can have channels and whatnot, but instead of streaming things you're doing a stream-download peer-2-peer thing like popcorn time does - which means that server costs will be kept at a minimum.

You're welcome.

huckleberry · « **Reply #33 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:41:43 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 20, 2014, 01:12:17 PM

YouTube not playing in the background isn't a big deal because there's so many apps that let you do that.

Thanks Himu. I had no idea other apps could do this.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #34 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:43:17 PM »

Hey Andrex,

I'm coming to Boston at some point over the summer. My wife's company is paying for me to come with her for a week. Not sure when.

Get ready. We gon' drink.

Or you can drop off the internet and hide. :-)

Himu · « **Reply #35 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:45:13 PM »

Not sure if joking but on android I used pvstar+. On ios I use PlayTube.

huckleberry · « **Reply #36 on:** June 20, 2014, 01:53:59 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 20, 2014, 01:45:13 PM

Not sure if joking but on android I used pvstar+. On ios I use PlayTube.

I was being half an ass because I though you were making a broad statement about the worth of such a service. I had no idea those apps existed...sorry.

Still would like to see official YT support though.

Tasty · « **Reply #37 on:** June 20, 2014, 02:17:03 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 20, 2014, 01:43:17 PM

Hey Andrex,

I'm coming to Boston at some point over the summer. My wife's company is paying for me to come with her for a week. Not sure when.

Get ready. We gon' drink.

Or you can drop off the internet and hide. :-)

Sounds good. Any ideas for where?

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #38 on:** June 20, 2014, 02:26:25 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 20, 2014, 02:17:03 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 20, 2014, 01:43:17 PM
Hey Andrex,

I'm coming to Boston at some point over the summer. My wife's company is paying for me to come with her for a week. Not sure when.

Get ready. We gon' drink.

Or you can drop off the internet and hide. :-)

Sounds good. Any ideas for where?

No clue. I've never been to Boston. We'll probably be staying at the Fairmont in Back Bay since her company is right there and she's always there when in town.

Tasty · « **Reply #39 on:** June 20, 2014, 02:39:41 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 20, 2014, 02:26:25 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 20, 2014, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 20, 2014, 01:43:17 PM
Hey Andrex,

I'm coming to Boston at some point over the summer. My wife's company is paying for me to come with her for a week. Not sure when.

Get ready. We gon' drink.

Or you can drop off the internet and hide. :-)

Sounds good. Any ideas for where?

No clue. I've never been to Boston. We'll probably be staying at the Fairmont in Back Bay since her company is right there and she's always there when in town.

I'll do some scouting in Back Bay then, not really a place I frequent much.

I do have a couple favorites near the Common, though.

a slime appears · « **Reply #40 on:** June 20, 2014, 07:57:12 PM »

Yo, I blame Andrex too. I dunno for what yet but I'll figure that out.

Himu · « **Reply #41 on:** June 20, 2014, 10:21:39 PM »

Hmm. PlayTube doesn't play outside the app. I got mytube which is free and it plays music when locked and outside app.

Tasty · « **Reply #42 on:** June 20, 2014, 10:48:39 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 20, 2014, 10:16:25 PM

i'm honestly just tired of andrex piddling on the carpet when he gets excited

You guys want the cute puppy but don't want to clean up the messes.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #43 on:** June 21, 2014, 03:09:39 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 17, 2014, 10:55:06 AM

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A VIABLE YOUTUBE ALTERNATIVE.

NND?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #44 on:** June 21, 2014, 09:06:20 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 20, 2014, 02:26:25 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 20, 2014, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 20, 2014, 01:43:17 PM
Hey Andrex,

I'm coming to Boston at some point over the summer. My wife's company is paying for me to come with her for a week. Not sure when.

Get ready. We gon' drink.

Or you can drop off the internet and hide. :-)

Sounds good. Any ideas for where?

No clue. I've never been to Boston. We'll probably be staying at the Fairmont in Back Bay since her company is right there and she's always there when in town.

be sure to bump the mutual butthole play thread after you meet up

PlayDat · « **Reply #45 on:** June 21, 2014, 03:21:12 PM »

El-P tweeted a link to this recently.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140619/17465027631/that-story-youve-read-about-youtube-blocking-indie-artists-yeah-thats-not-accurate.shtml

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In short: before, you had two options:

1. Post your video and monetize it via YouTube's partner program with a bit of ad revenue.
2. Post your video and don't monetize it.

And now you'll have these two options:

1. Post your video and monetize it via YouTube's partner program with a bit of ad revenue and some subscription revenue
2. Post your video and don't monetize it.

Hard to know where to fall on this thing until the streaming service rolls out.

Surely they won't stop me from being able to listen to individual songs on youtube for free? It sounds like this new thing will be an additional option to compete with the Spotifys of the world.