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Himu

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Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« on: July 17, 2014, 09:21:37 PM »


Downloaded the first season of the show and finished it up last night.

I liked every episode. It was surprisingly strong for a first season, especially compared to its contemporaries The Simpsons and Seinfeld.

To be truthful, I didn't start watching Fresh Prince until 1994, but I managed to catch up anyways around that time via re-runs. It was a pretty big part of my childhood, and despite the fact I hadn't seen it since the 90's, I still held it high regard. Re-watching the first season really shows it has earned its place in American lexicon and pop culture, and it just wasn't something cool to watch at the time, unlike other shows back then like 90210 or Baywatch.

A lot of the issues still stick with me today, and are still relevant many years later. Each episode tackles something interesting:

- Will's perception of Carlton and "blackness".
- The loss of innocence of a young girl (Ashley) as she slowly goes through the season, ending in her final maturation as a pre-teen.
- Will's loose interest in black american history, because he read Malcolm X's autobiography three times, without attempting to understand the lessons from that book.
- The complicated characterization of Will, who often does things to act out and how others percieve him, but is a young man who has yet to realize his maximum potential due to his upbringing and young environment
- The tendency of successful black people to forget their roots, and become ashamed of where they came from in the midst of success and prestige.
- Carlton's dealing with the naive thinking that he can overcome anything in spite of his father, in spite of his money, in spite of his success, in spite of being black.

One thing I love is that there's no bullshit. It's perfect for a comedy starring black folk. I forgot how the show does little to horse around. In most sitcoms of this type, there's always a lesson, and everything's okay. But in Fresh Prince, any time someone does something, and they'll often not even have the last word. For instance, in the episode where Will says he wants to have black history added to the history class curriculum, Vivian tells him straight up that he dishonors the legacy of his ancestors by having a loose and vapid interest in black american history. He walks in with a Malcolm X shirt, and he says he's read Malcolm X three times, but can't be assed to read the rest of the history, and assumes that he will coast by in the black history class by virtue of being black. Aunt Viv calls him out on it, and he knows he's wrong. There's no "sorry aunt Viv", there's no family hug at the end. It ends with Will, left without a retort, giving in and picking up a book.

The episode where Carlton learns about discrimination is also heart breaking.



The writing is almost always on point, and the show offers enough ways to make you think about its content without imposing a super long-winded psa like Family Matters or Cosby sometimes did. When it tells a message, it's often through direct REAL TALK (tm) :noah or through comedy.

When I was a kid, I thought the character of Carlton was a complete joke. But as an adult, I find him a completely well-rounded and amazingly well-written character. How he grows, Alphonso's line delivery "Can you clean mine?" :rofl "Bryan Gumbel, he's darn good" :rofl, and his relationship with Will just makes for truly special television. But more than that, what continues to impress me is how realistic the characterization of the characters is. Sure, it's a sitcom, but the characters - especially Will - often act how teenagers actually act. It's charming in its authenticity without coming off as cheesecake like other family sitcoms.

The one problem I have so far is sexism. There's a girl in almost every episode that's used as a prop, Will and Carlton fighting over like scraps. In one episode, Will dates a college student (Jasmine Guy!!! :bow). At the beginning of the episode they make it a point that hey, she's a woman, not a girl, and they have little in common. But somehow the magic works and Will finds a way into her pants. But her character is used as window dressing to help accentuate the point to not drop out of school. When Ashley goes on her first date with a local celebrity, Uncle Phil has Will and Carlton follow them, and invade the date to have a one on one talk, because remember guys, Ashley is a possession you buy in a store "and no one will ever be good enough" (Uncle Phil's words). It's the only backwards piece of writing in the show, but it's evened out by the incredibly strong female lead characters such as Vivian and grandma Banks.

TLDR; Fresh Prince is still the captivating, humor filled show I loved 20 years ago and it's been fun to revisit.

Onward to season 2!
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2014, 11:39:05 PM »
It's the only backwards piece of writing in the show, but it's evened out by the incredibly strong female lead characters such as Vivian and grandma Banks.
Until they replace her. :-\

Himu

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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2014, 11:41:04 PM »
I never understood that.
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2014, 11:49:52 PM »
How did a show that was made just to make Will smith money to pay back taxes turn out to be so damn good? Usually something like this would just last one season and be cancelled.
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2014, 12:54:25 AM »
How did a show that was made just to make Will smith money to pay back taxes turn out to be so damn good? Usually something like this would just last one season and be cancelled.
how did Will Smith get into tax trouble, and how he got a show to renumurate upon said trouble (he wasn't that big a star until the show, right)?

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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2014, 01:02:32 AM »


Cry errtime. :tocry
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Himu

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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2014, 01:05:20 AM »
How did a show that was made just to make Will smith money to pay back taxes turn out to be so damn good? Usually something like this would just last one season and be cancelled.
how did Will Smith get into tax trouble, and how he got a show to renumurate upon said trouble (he wasn't that big a star until the show, right)?

Will Smith was broke because of poor financial spending so they decided to make a show to give him some quick dough. He was pretty famous back then. The duo did , after all, win the first hip hop Grammy ever. Jazzy Jeff was the headliner of their duo, and fresh prince provided the raps. He was famous in the sense you'd hear his music on black radio stations but he wasn't nearly on par with what he was in the mid 90s. He wouldn't have gotten the show without being semi-famous anyways. The show made him even more famous. Basically, it's like ice cube. A rapper who was famous among rap circles and fans, but became an even bigger star after going into acting.
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2014, 01:08:59 AM »
Wow, I never knew that's why the show was made.

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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2014, 01:15:11 AM »


Cry errtime. :tocry

I knew this was gonna hit this thread.

I knew it was gonna make me :fbm if I watched it again.

I knew I was going to watch it again anyway.

Himu

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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2014, 01:21:16 AM »
I'm not watching that clip because I'm saving it for my rewatch. :tocry
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2014, 01:41:07 AM »
Hilary is the most underrated character on the show:



Gosh her outfit is cute as hell. My hero. :uguu
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2014, 04:37:25 AM »


god tier stuff
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Himu

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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2014, 03:22:28 PM »
Fuck second vivian
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2014, 03:24:26 PM »
Real talk, the love this show gets from both black and white folks is the closest we have gotten to racial harmony.  Sorry Obama.
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2014, 03:24:54 PM »
What do you think did that?

And so far season is way worse than season 1. It's still good, but it's venturing into topics that almost every family sitcom branches into and not exploring more into the things that made the first season so great.
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2014, 03:48:30 PM »
Fresh Prince was huge when it was on tv.

Especially pre-Independence Day.

I went to a church camp in summer 95 and everyone sang the intro while getting into lunch. We are talking a line of like 50 kids, white, black, whatever.

Which brings me to the next point. Is the intro the most popular and widely known rap song of all time?
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2014, 04:00:30 PM »
Nah, the most popular rap song is probably some heavy handed :paul by 2pac or Eminem.

But the fresh prince intro is something just about everyone knows. Sing it and I'm sure someone will follow in. I dare you to rap So Many Tears in the middle of a park and see who joins in.

We need to test this.
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2014, 04:05:52 PM »
Himu is right.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2014, 04:08:11 PM »
I'd think Himu's right.  That song was played every weekday on broadcast TV in most markets thanks to syndication for years and years.  People in their 50's and 60's who wouldn't be able to recognize Tupac from a picture would be familiar with that song.

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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2014, 04:29:31 PM »
It's probably Real Slim Shady or Without Me.
I had to look up "Without Me".  And old people wouldn't know Real Slim Shady.  But everyone knows Will Smith and Fresh Prince.  Even the elderly and foreigners.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2014, 06:45:17 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2014, 07:43:06 PM »
Love the show.
I particularly love the german dub.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2014, 08:26:08 PM »
No love for Geoffrey yet?
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2014, 08:34:40 PM »
:bow CANNON! :bow2


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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2014, 08:39:16 PM »
Love the show.
I particularly love the german dub.
They subtitled the German dub in Sweden? :what

Himu

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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2014, 08:50:59 PM »
Another underrated character: the English teacher.
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2014, 09:21:33 PM »
It's funny how it isn't really talked about despite its popularity back then.
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2014, 09:26:37 PM »
i feel like will has tried to bury it a bit to protect his hollywood cred.  along with his early music.

Why though? When people think of Will smith they think of Fresh Prince for the most part.

Is this a Kenan Thompson-esque "I want to be taken seriously as a REALLLLLL actor" thing
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Re: Retrospective: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2014, 09:37:01 PM »
Also Will Smith is a Scientologist so who knows what he actually thinks.
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2014, 09:44:47 PM »
Will always jokes around and shit in interviews, even today. He gets big movie roles, but he never comes off as serious in real life. I'll always see him as the Fresh Prince.

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« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2014, 10:01:53 PM »
well, i dunno, i kinda get it.  he's like this big serious actor now who actually gets academy award nominations and shit, and this show is basically like his high school yearbook in video form being passed around constantly.

i'm sure he'll end up embracing it again at some point.  at the very least, the core cast seems to have stayed friendly with one another.

Since when is Will Smith a big serious actor? He's been a rather jovial comedic actor for most of his career, and his serious films are often followed or proceeded by a comedy role. I've seen him talk about the show many times.



god his son is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged
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Himu

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« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2014, 10:02:59 PM »
Alfonso. :hyper
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« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2014, 10:52:53 PM »
Yeah, just substitute "A-list star who meticulously cultivates his brand" for "big serious actor" and Oscar's spot on.  Smith's definitely more likely to have some cheesy nostalgic fun with it now that there's some distance.  Back when he was in Ali, just five years removed from the show and hoping for an Oscar?  Not so much.

But that's common enough.  Go back and look at Mark Wahlberg's interviews promoting The Perfect Storm, you'd probably be hard pressed to find much discussion of the Funky Bunch.

Himu

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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2014, 10:38:23 PM »
http://m.

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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2014, 10:41:40 PM »
http://m.

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shout out to Nas for writing that for Will
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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2014, 10:43:06 PM »
Damn. Season 2 continues to be solid, but still far more derivative than season 1. Here's hoping it picks up. IIRC season 3 was the best.
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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2014, 11:30:19 PM »
Yeah, it's picking up.



Perfect example of how Fresh Prince takes a serious issue and injects comedy into it.
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