1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[cosmicblizzard]

It's a harmless game with tna. It has no greater aspirations beyond being a fun game. Bayonet ta is supposed to be sexy and alluring. At least she's no coming off like some super pandery waifs girl fetish character. She has actual agency.

Is it sexist? Sure. Not misygonist though. Is it creepy. I guess if the concept of sexy women being played up rustles you for some reason.

It's a sily game. There are much bigger things to argue about in regards to the depiction of women. Getting mad at this game is like getting man at those Tomb Raider movies.

I get how the game is not meant to be deep, how it's intentionally campy, silly, and over-the-top.

But you have to be incredibly dishonest to claim when the "sexy woman concept" goes from this:

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... it doesn't warrant pausing and having a discussion, unless our jimmies are hypersensitive.

I can kind of see the argument if taking into account the context of the era, but only if we flip it and acknowledge that both are considered a sex icon by some/many.  I'm seeing some of the same hyperbolic reactions to Lara Croft all those years ago as I am for Bayonetta.  It's just people have gotten less prudish over the years hilariously. 

In 10 years, we'll probably have some full-on naked woman protagonist fellating guns and sword hilts.  People will be arguing that she represents 'female empowerment' rather than sexualization when that happens too.

[Tasty]

Too busy enjoying my WiiU

It's finally coming of its own - it only took 2, maybe 3 years

Been less than 2, beau

[Shaka Khan]

It's a harmless game with tna. It has no greater aspirations beyond being a fun game. Bayonet ta is supposed to be sexy and alluring. At least she's no coming off like some super pandery waifs girl fetish character. She has actual agency.

Is it sexist? Sure. Not misygonist though. Is it creepy. I guess if the concept of sexy women being played up rustles you for some reason.

It's a sily game. There are much bigger things to argue about in regards to the depiction of women. Getting mad at this game is like getting man at those Tomb Raider movies.

I get how the game is not meant to be deep, how it's intentionally campy, silly, and over-the-top.

But you have to be incredibly dishonest to claim when the "sexy woman concept" goes from this:

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to this...

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... it doesn't warrant pausing and having a discussion, unless our jimmies are hypersensitive.

I can kind of see the argument if taking into account the context of the era, but only if we flip it and acknowledge that both are considered a sex icon by some/many.  I'm seeing some of the same hyperbolic reactions to Lara Croft all those years ago as I am for Bayonetta.  It's just people have gotten less prudish over the years hilariously. 

In 10 years, we'll probably have some full-on naked woman protagonist fellating guns and sword hilts.  People will be arguing that she represents 'female empowerment' rather than sexualization when that happens too.

You mean: http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=311

[cosmicblizzard]

With how the internet is these days, you just know someone is going to make a game based off that comic.

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=911612

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Jesus Christ almighty

[Rahxephon91]

It's a harmless game with tna. It has no greater aspirations beyond being a fun game. Bayonet ta is supposed to be sexy and alluring. At least she's no coming off like some super pandery waifs girl fetish character. She has actual agency.

Is it sexist? Sure. Not misygonist though. Is it creepy. I guess if the concept of sexy women being played up rustles you for some reason.

It's a sily game. There are much bigger things to argue about in regards to the depiction of women. Getting mad at this game is like getting man at those Tomb Raider movies.

....not pandering?

 

Thats not what I said. I said she's not a pandery waifu. Meaning she's not a character soley to have a "personality" made in service of a male and illicit a specific emotion that is supposed to be subjected by the male audience. She is her own character with her own agency. If men fantasy about her it's sure not in the dominating/servitude way these waifu characters are made for in other Japanese things.

But sure jump down my throat.

[Shadow Mod]

I dunno Kamiya pretty much admitted he made a character in service of all his fetishes/preferences.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Kamiya don't care.
No clever "parody" or "self awareness" or "statement on modern feminism"
He just do what he do.

[Michael Moaner]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=911315

 , #LoresLegacy

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134164685&postcount=94

 

[zepblackstar]

Nintendo Stans are going after Arthur gies... Love it

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=911315

 , #LoresLegacy

Up to 4 pages?

[Rahxephon91]

I dunno Kamiya pretty much admitted he made a character in service of all his fetishes/preferences.

And the Bride was a fetish for Tarantino. Nowhere did I say it was some progrsivse strong character. What I'm saying is I'll take this over the actual female characters that come from a place worse then "I want to see a hot girl do badass things".

[Shaka Khan]

I dunno Kamiya pretty much admitted he made a character in service of all his fetishes/preferences.

Kamiya don't care.
No clever "parody" or "self awareness" or "statement on modern feminism"
He just do what he do.

Pretty much.

[Shadow Mod]

I'd rather play her than Lightning/Quiet too but at the end of the day it's still just hollow characters.

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134164685&postcount=94

 

Oh wow, that's how I got permed


 

[cosmicblizzard]

Sure, characterization and sexualization are not mutually exclusive.  Doesn't mean one can't be given A LOT more thought than the other.  Even if Kamiya tried to do one or two interesting things with her story, it was still an afterthought. 

[Shadow Mod]

It's well put together and that makes people go apeshit for it but it doesn't really go deeper than that. 

[Momo]

EDIT: So am I, nevermind.

[Michael Moaner]

I would never buy a Wii U, because lets face it the console is pure feces laced with autistic attractions.

But honestly I can't imagine playing a game like bayonetta unless I was single or had zero friends. Whether it was my buddies or girlfriend, if they walked in and saw that shit I'm going to look like Prince Masturbator of Jizz Mountain. I wouldn't even make eye contact with myself after some of those scenes. Fuck

[Shadow Mod]

Me and my pals watched another friend play the first one. It was so over the top we all just laughed. There was nothing really masturbatory about it, it was more "lol wtf is this."

[Rahxephon91]

It's a harmless game with tna. It has no greater aspirations beyond being a fun game. Bayonet ta is supposed to be sexy and alluring. At least she's no coming off like some super pandery waifs girl fetish character. She has actual agency.

Is it sexist? Sure. Not misygonist though. Is it creepy. I guess if the concept of sexy women being played up rustles you for some reason.

It's a sily game. There are much bigger things to argue about in regards to the depiction of women. Getting mad at this game is like getting man at those Tomb Raider movies.

I get how the game is not meant to be deep, how it's intentionally campy, silly, and over-the-top.

But you have to be incredibly dishonest to claim when the "sexy woman concept" goes from this:

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to this...

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(Left out: naked finishers)

... it doesn't warrant pausing and having a discussion, unless jimmies are hypersensitive.

That's not even crazy or that over the top compared to today.



What was sexy and over the top when Tomb Raider came out? The mere fact that she had big boobs.

[demi]

I would never buy a Wii U, because lets face it the console is pure feces laced with autistic attractions.

But honestly I can't imagine playing a game like bayonetta unless I was single or had zero friends. Whether it was my buddies or girlfriend, if they walked in and saw that shit I'm going to look like Prince Masturbator of Jizz Mountain. I wouldn't even make eye contact with myself after some of those scenes. Fuck

Your loss, fakkit. Enjoy your insecurities

[Momo]

Prince Masturbator of Jizz Mountain. I wouldn't even make eye contact with myself after some of those scenes. Fuck

 

[Shadow Mod]

Comparing singers/entertainers who sing about how sexy they are with someone who goes cave diving seems a bit off breh.

[Himu]

Bayonetta should be whatever the fans want it to be. If they want her to be a strong black woman who doesn't need no man and dresses sexy to please herself, so be it. Create your own reality, anything is possible.

Nobody plays the game outside of a few forum dwellers. It bombed in Japan and will bomb here. So...who cares.

Bayonetta sold 1 million.

[Shaka Khan]

What was sexy and over the top when Tomb Raider came out? The mere fact that she had big boobs.

I'm just going on off of what you said regarding the concept of sexy women in gaming. Lara was the epitome of that during  the late 90's. Were you not around when Tomb Raider was released?

[Phoenix Dark]

Bayonetta should be whatever the fans want it to be. If they want her to be a strong black woman who doesn't need no man and dresses sexy to please herself, so be it. Create your own reality, anything is possible.

Nobody plays the game outside of a few forum dwellers. It bombed in Japan and will bomb here. So...who cares.

Bayonetta sold 1 million.

1mil sounds about right for "a few forum dwellers" to me.

[Rahxephon91]

I would never buy a Wii U, because lets face it the console is pure feces laced with autistic attractions.

But honestly I can't imagine playing a game like bayonetta unless I was single or had zero friends. Whether it was my buddies or girlfriend, if they walked in and saw that shit I'm going to look like Prince Masturbator of Jizz Mountain. I wouldn't even make eye contact with myself after some of those scenes. Fuck

My mother walked in on me playing Bayonetta and said she looked pretty and had no second thought about it at all. It was just another dumb video game she did'nt care about.

Do people really give a fuck about these things? Am I supposed to care that my sister thinks I'm ikky for playing a game like this while she watches the latest Twilight movie that goggles the pecks of Taylor Lautner in an extreme voyeuristic matter? I don't think so. I see posts on here and GAF about how "oh no I'd be so embarrassed if someone say me watching a tna thing". This is'nt child porn. It's trashy tna. No one I've ever known has given a fuck about this. 

I don't know why people are so embarrassed over little irrelevant things.

[Rahxephon91]

What was sexy and over the top when Tomb Raider came out? The mere fact that she had big boobs.

I'm just going on off of what you said regarding the concept of sexy women in gaming. Lara was the epitome of that during  the late 90's. Were you not around when Tomb Raider was released?

Nope. Did'nt have a PS1. Never played those games. The entire thing seemed to the mere fact that she had obviously big boobs and tight shorts. We live in an age now were boob physics are a given. Bayonetta hardly seems that crazy today.

Comparing singers/entertainers who sing about how sexy they are with someone who goes cave diving seems a bit off breh.

I'm not. I'm talking about how things are different now. I can't remember a 90s sexy video. Maybe Madonna's like a paryer and whatnot. The sexy thing there was maybe you saw her bra or something. Maybe Mariah Carey videos and what was sexy about those was that she was on a beach in her bikini. Those are tame and nothing these days.

[Shaka Khan]

My mother walked in on me playing Bayonetta

[Phoenix Dark]

I would never buy a Wii U, because lets face it the console is pure feces laced with autistic attractions.

But honestly I can't imagine playing a game like bayonetta unless I was single or had zero friends. Whether it was my buddies or girlfriend, if they walked in and saw that shit I'm going to look like Prince Masturbator of Jizz Mountain. I wouldn't even make eye contact with myself after some of those scenes. Fuck

My mother walked in on me playing Bayonetta and said she looked pretty and had no second thought about it at all.

Something tells me she says this to you a lot.

[Himu]

Rah how old are you? In the 90s she was considered like this gaming sex icon because she she had big boobs and big ass and she was among the first female characters - that I remember - to actually star and have her own game, besides Mrs Pacman. In other games you could play as girls, peach in Mario 2, the girls in MK or SF or KoF or Metal Slug;etc. but games did not STAR girl characters then.  This was why Lara was pretty huge, because  our generation didn't really have a Mrs Pacman. In the mid and late 90s, big boobs, big lips, and hips were pretty big from what I remember. Think the chick who plays the mom on Step by Step. It's partially why it was a huge deal that Angelina Jolie played her.

[Steve Contra]

Bayonetta is on the edge of your wife being mildly embarrassed you're playing it, and your wife being deeply ashamed.  But most of the shit coming out in glorious Nippon these days are divorce worthy so it has that going for it.

[Shadow Mod]

i find myself having more of an issue with how much people want to praise Bayonetta than whatever sexualization bullshit is going on.

[Steve Contra]

Bayonetta was fun

It wasn't the masterpiece that Vanquish was, but whatever.

[Shadow Mod]

Political correctness in the past few years has been the biggest killer of freedom of speech in Canada and America

Such gems in there.

[Broseidon]

Vanquish

[Himu]

I always interpreted the sexuality in Bayonetta to be tongue in cheek, hilariously aware, and empowering because a lot of her moves are bdsm moves and she fights Angels and she's a witch. I never really cared about it past that, and if the guy I were dating were playing Bayonetta and not Call of Duty I would be so happy.

[Himu]

i find myself having more of an issue with how much people want to praise Bayonetta than whatever sexualization bullshit is going on.

So now we're at the point that Bayonetta apparently wasn't a top 5 action game for last gen and the swan song of its genre? What now, are Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 shit now too? I haven't gotten the memo.

[demi]

cry more dumb biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch bayonetta #1

[king of the internet]

Bayonetta was pretty dope, w/ or w/o the crotch shots. Not really more embarassing than most videogames.

[ZephyrFate]

Kamiya don't care.
No clever "parody" or "self awareness" or "statement on modern feminism"
He just do what he do.

Kamiya is also a borderline sexist asshole so he should probably stop talking about anything deeper than the gameplay of his games.

[Himu]

I don't know shit about kamiya except that he is mean to people on Twitter and directed some classics

[Mr. Gundam]

I'm all for sexuality in videogames as long it's done in a way that doesn't feel like it's pandering to teenage boys.

Dead or Alive, God of War and Bayonetta, while good games, feel like they're pandering to teenage boys.

[ZephyrFate]

I would never buy a Wii U, because lets face it the console is pure feces laced with autistic attractions.

But honestly I can't imagine playing a game like bayonetta unless I was single or had zero friends. Whether it was my buddies or girlfriend, if they walked in and saw that shit I'm going to look like Prince Masturbator of Jizz Mountain. I wouldn't even make eye contact with myself after some of those scenes. Fuck

This is a Dumb Post. Congrats.

[Himu]

I liked how mass effect 1 did it.

[Rahxephon91]

I'm all for sexuality in videogames as long it's done in a way that doesn't feel like it's pandering to teenage boys.

Dead or Alive, God of War and Bayonetta, while good games, feel like they're pandering to teenage boys.

When does it not?

[ZephyrFate]

I'm all for sexuality in videogames as long it's done in a way that doesn't feel like it's pandering to teenage boys.

Dead or Alive, God of War and Bayonetta, while good games, feel like they're pandering to teenage boys.

When does it not?

There are developers and games that are not written to pander to that demographic. They're uncommon, though.

[Himu]

I'm all for sexuality in videogames as long it's done in a way that doesn't feel like it's pandering to teenage boys.

Dead or Alive, God of War and Bayonetta, while good games, feel like they're pandering to teenage boys.

When does it not?

Silent Hill 2.

[Mr. Gundam]

Reading through the complaints in the Bayo GAF thread about puritanism. I don't think it's wrong, I just think it's stupid and immature.

I'm all for sexuality in videogames as long it's done in a way that doesn't feel like it's pandering to teenage boys.

Dead or Alive, God of War and Bayonetta, while good games, feel like they're pandering to teenage boys.

When does it not?

That's a good point, and I'm trying to think of an example. Maybe some parts of the Mass Effect games? Indigo Prophecy (never played it)? Not the best examples, but maybe that's the point.

[StealthFan]

this michael moaner nicca...I don't like this nicca

[Junpei the Tracer!]

I'm single, have zero friends and have Bayonetta 2 preordered.


 

[ZephyrFate]

Reading through the complaints in the Bayo GAF thread about puritanism. I don't think it's wrong, I just think it's stupid and immature.

I'm all for sexuality in videogames as long it's done in a way that doesn't feel like it's pandering to teenage boys.

Dead or Alive, God of War and Bayonetta, while good games, feel like they're pandering to teenage boys.

When does it not?

That's a good point, and I'm trying to think of an example. Maybe some parts of the Mass Effect games? Indigo Prophecy (never played it)? Not the best examples, but maybe that's the point.

Quantic Dream is DEFINITELY a developer that panders to teenage boys. David Cage can't write women for shit (though Jodie is... tolerable sometimes, but mostly thanks to Ellen Page).

[Himu]

Am I the only person who never found Bayonetta that embarrassing? It's a game about a sexual witch kills Angels and shit. It's got nothing on God of War or Dead or Alive, and whatever sexual stuff encompasses a pretty small part of the game. In fact, I've only heard of people being embarrassed to play Bayonetta only recently. I certainly didn't hear any of this talk about embarrassment when the game came out.

[Mr. Gundam]

Reading through the complaints in the Bayo GAF thread about puritanism. I don't think it's wrong, I just think it's stupid and immature.

I'm all for sexuality in videogames as long it's done in a way that doesn't feel like it's pandering to teenage boys.

Dead or Alive, God of War and Bayonetta, while good games, feel like they're pandering to teenage boys.

When does it not?

That's a good point, and I'm trying to think of an example. Maybe some parts of the Mass Effect games? Indigo Prophecy (never played it)? Not the best examples, but maybe that's the point.

Quantic Dream is DEFINITELY a developer that panders to teenage boys. David Cage can't write women for shit (though Jodie is... tolerable sometimes, but mostly thanks to Ellen Page).

I've never played any of their titles, although I own Heavy Rain, thanks for clarifying.

Am I the only person who never found Bayonetta that embarrassing? It's a game about a sexual witch kills Angels and shit. It's got nothing on God of War or Dead or Alive, and whatever sexual stuff encompasses a pretty small part of the game. In fact, I've only heard of people being embarrassed to play Bayonetta only recently. I certainly didn't hear any of this talk about embarrassment when the game came out.

I didn't find it embarrassing, just over the top and stupid at times.

Uguu Uguu Moe JRPGs are embarrassing.

[ZephyrFate]

Am I the only person who never found Bayonetta that embarrassing? It's a game about a sexual witch kills Angels and shit. It's got nothing on God of War or Dead or Alive, and whatever sexual stuff encompasses a pretty small part of the game. In fact, I've only heard of people being embarrassed to play Bayonetta only recently. I certainly didn't hear any of this talk about embarrassment when the game came out.

It's not. People who say it is are exaggerating greatly and trying to justify their own bullshit.

[Himu]

Please port Bayonetta to Steam so I don't have to keep playing the PS3 version.

[Rman]

Please port Bayonetta to Steam so I don't have to keep playing the PS3 version.

LOL @ Bayo 1 PS3.

[Cascade]

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