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Was considering going in that riot thread, but people seem really angry in there, so maybe not.
Wow, really? I just...I can't with this

Just meant there's some ad hominems in there with lop-sided results, like people condemning the riots and being worried about their own safety being banned rather than the ones shitting on said people.

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Was considering going in that riot thread, but people seem really angry in there, so maybe not.
Wow, really? I just...I can't with this

Just meant there's some ad hominems in there with lop-sided results, like people condemning the riots and being worried about their own safety being banned rather than the ones shitting on said people.
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Riot thread's a minefield. I made the mistake of posting something I thought was innocuous in the thread on an alt account and someone sniffed me out (probably besada, who I'm pretty sure banned me the first time around). Never again - literally, else it's a perma.

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brehs you should all know better by now to post in any threads like that. :ufup
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brehs you should all know better by now to post in any threads like that. :ufup
This is true. It's what got me banned in the first place. 

I was genuinely wondering what the hell happened to the kid, though. :tocry

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no room for conversation in those threads, just invective and ban-baiting. just how it goes now.
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When you got dudes busting a nut over their ban bodycount in a thread, everyone's in for a bad time.
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no room for conversation in those threads, just invective and ban-baiting. just how it goes now.
It's reached a point where asking a question is enough to raise suspicion that you're on the wrong side. It's unfortunate, because this brand of moderation only creates resentment and is ultimately detrimental to their cause.

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Sounds like some shit a racist would say

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no room for conversation in those threads, just invective and ban-baiting. just how it goes now.


NeoGAF isn't a place for conversation. It's a place for to share your hype with fellow gamers about Upcoming Console Exclusive title, and of course hilarious GIF's and epic memes ($30 italian meal HAHAHAHAHA!!!!).

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Sounds like some shit a racist would say
Can you can taste the lack of empathy?

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Yeah, hype-trains piss me off to no end. I remember some Junior saying he would post-pone his suicide the moment the FFXV's TGS 2014 trailer was being broadcast. I mean, I know it was intended to be a joke and I myself love the game to death, but dude...
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I'm gonna make a badass Cleveland Riots |OT| that will get me tons of daps because of it being 15 posts full of sweet artwork and walls of text.
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Was considering going in that riot thread, but people seem really angry in there, so maybe not.
Wow, really? I just...I can't with this

Just meant there's some ad hominems in there with lop-sided results, like people condemning the riots and being worried about their own safety being banned rather than the ones shitting on said people.
:drudge MODS HELP :drudge

Just saying, this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161821774&postcount=273
 seems like a pretty toxic and combative thing to say to me, but Sorian is banned, so I guess the mods disagree (unless he said something much later that caused it).  I think there should be room in those threads for people to voice concerns over how the riots affect their daily lives in addition to those examining the greater cause and being sympathetic/disagreeable towards the ones actually committing the acts, the former because things got so bad that this was the logical conclusion and the latter because innocents that may have been supporters of the cause or even affected by the fucked up system have gotten caught up in it.  There doesn't have to be any underlying racism or an "us vs them" narrative in self-preservation.

Also got a few friends in Baltimore that I'm worried about which is why I was going to post in there, but no sense now.  Like Takuan said, shit's a minefield.

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I'm gonna make a badass Cleveland Riots |OT| that will get me tons of daps because of it being 15 posts full of sweet artwork and walls of text.

Just imagine the first page full of compliments from people who skimmed over your OP before the page changes and no one ever reads it again. :lawd

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Just saying, this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161821774&postcount=273
 seems like a pretty toxic and combative thing to say to me, but Sorian is banned, so I guess the mods disagree (unless he said something much later that caused it).  I think there should be room in those threads for people to voice concerns over how the riots affect their daily lives in addition to those examining the greater cause and being sympathetic/disagreeable towards the ones actually committing the acts, the former because things got so bad that this was the logical conclusion and the latter because innocents that may have been supporters of the cause or even affected by the fucked up system have gotten caught up in it.  There doesn't have to be any underlying racism or an "us vs them" narrative in self-preservation.

Also got a few friends in Baltimore that I'm worried about which is why I was going to post in there, but no sense now.  Like Takuan said, shit's a minefield.

A reply to Sorian posting about their personal safety.

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You're either with the system and status quo, or the people and side with justice. There is no middle ground "I just want to go home and curl up under a blanket" anymore, because that was never an option for me or any other black folks.

Oh dear.

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"You're either with the system and status quo, or the people and side with justice. There is no middle ground "I just want to go home and curl up under a blanket" anymore, because that was never an option for me or any other black folks."

- someone who's sole contribution to The Cause is posting about it on a videogame messageboard

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Just saying, this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161821774&postcount=273
 seems like a pretty toxic and combative thing to say to me, but Sorian is banned, so I guess the mods disagree (unless he said something much later that caused it).  I think there should be room in those threads for people to voice concerns over how the riots affect their daily lives in addition to those examining the greater cause and being sympathetic/disagreeable towards the ones actually committing the acts, the former because things got so bad that this was the logical conclusion and the latter because innocents that may have been supporters of the cause or even affected by the fucked up system have gotten caught up in it.  There doesn't have to be any underlying racism or an "us vs them" narrative in self-preservation.

Also got a few friends in Baltimore that I'm worried about which is why I was going to post in there, but no sense now.  Like Takuan said, shit's a minefield.
I understand the anger on some level. There are legitimate problems with the entire system, and the black experience is a daily battle with negative stereotypes, unprovoked harassment, and outright hatred. They're seeing their kin die by the hands of police officers seemingly every week for no crime, and can accurately predict the justice system failing them entirely. The decision makers do not appear to care.

That said, I don't see how accepting and even encouraging ruining others' lives is at all helpful or healthy. That attitude can be reduced to "Fuck me? FUCK YOU!" It's not at all persuasive to the groups that need to be persuaded. Writing off the direct suffering of others who have no hand in Freddie Grey's death as collateral damage contradicts their demands for justice.

The stances in the threads are radical, supported by the fact that rioters represent a very small percentage of the protesters. The threads are being moderated in such a way that the radical stance can be interpreted as the accepted norm, when in reality most can agree it's extremely problematic.

Is that script kiddie llc guy for real, btw?  he seems to be be able to say whatever he wants, no matter how absurd or baiting, without any sort of consequence.

You have a bunch of armchair slacktivists posting on their computers from thousands of miles away telling Sorian, a guy who is there and is afraid for his safety and the safety of his loved ones, that he is an asshole.  And Sorian ends up banned.  This is NeoGAF social justice.
Longer leash for those who speak for the unheard. The privileged benefit from the system that holds black people down, ergo, they are the enemy.

uh oh I'm detecting increasing levels of brohurt in here
Hardcore salt!
« Last Edit: April 28, 2015, 04:49:40 PM by Takuan »

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no room for conversation in those threads, just invective and ban-baiting. just how it goes now.
It's reached a point where asking a question is enough to raise suspicion that you're on the wrong side. It's unfortunate, because this brand of moderation only creates resentment and is ultimately detrimental to their cause.

Is that script kiddie llc guy for real, btw?  he seems to be be able to say whatever he wants, no matter how absurd or baiting, without any sort of consequence.

You have a bunch of armchair slacktivists posting on their computers from thousands of miles away telling Sorian, a guy who is there and is afraid for his safety and the safety of his loved ones, that he is an asshole.  And Sorian ends up banned.  This is NeoGAF social justice.


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uh oh I'm detecting increasing levels of brohurt in here
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Yeah, hype-trains piss me off to no end. I remember some Junior saying he would post-pone his suicide the moment the FFXV's TGS 2014 trailer was being broadcast. I mean, I know it was intended to be a joke and I myself love the game to death, but dude...

:Creepy Stalker This is... this is a normal post from Creepy Stalker... the second one in fact! My world... collapsing... what... is going... on. :Creepy Stalker

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no room for conversation in those threads, just invective and ban-baiting. just how it goes now.
It's reached a point where asking a question is enough to raise suspicion that you're on the wrong side. It's unfortunate, because this brand of moderation only creates resentment and is ultimately detrimental to their cause.

Is that script kiddie llc guy for real, btw?  he seems to be be able to say whatever he wants, no matter how absurd or baiting, without any sort of consequence.

You have a bunch of armchair slacktivists posting on their computers from thousands of miles away telling Sorian, a guy who is there and is afraid for his safety and the safety of his loved ones, that he is an asshole.  And Sorian ends up banned.  This is NeoGAF social justice.

Yeah, I'm pretty damn surprised about the attitudes which have come up over this riot. I've got a number of family and friends in Baltimore, and you're damn right that I'm worried about them. I always felt myself as a fairly liberal person, but some of the extremist "you're with the rioters or you're with the system and you want cops to murder black people" just seems like a terribly unproductive attitude to have.
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Because it's a distinguished mentally-challenged attitude for simple bitches, just as distinguished mentally-challenged as Bush with "you're with us or against us" after 9/11.


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no room for conversation in those threads, just invective and ban-baiting. just how it goes now.
It's reached a point where asking a question is enough to raise suspicion that you're on the wrong side. It's unfortunate, because this brand of moderation only creates resentment and is ultimately detrimental to their cause.

Hrm. Now that you've said this I am going to search your post history andAHAH!

You posted something about being swindled out of a game. Swindled is something pirates do. Gypsies dress like pirates in movies.  EVERYONE PLEASE QUOTE ME ADD GIFS FOR SPICE MODS MODS MODS
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Yeah, I'm pretty damn surprised about the attitudes which have come up over this riot. I've got a number of family and friends in Baltimore, and you're damn right that I'm worried about them. I always felt myself as a fairly liberal person, but some of the extremist "you're with the rioters or you're with the system and you want cops to murder black people" just seems like a terribly unproductive attitude to have.
The problem (zero sarcasm here) is that people seemingly care less about systematic racism than their family, friends, and strangers who've fallen victim to the riots. There's probably a complex and interesting discussion to be had there, but it's an extremely sensitive and uncomfortable one that neither side really wants to have.

Because it's a distinguished mentally-challenged attitude for simple bitches, just as distinguished mentally-challenged as Bush with "you're with us or against us" after 9/11.
Whoa, whoa, whoa - easy there with the cultural appropriation there, bruh. :gurl



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:Creepy Stalker This is... this is a normal post from Creepy Stalker... the second one in fact! My world... collapsing... what... is going... on. :Creepy Stalker
I know all this shit was annoying you quite a bit, that is why I decided to keep it within the realms of the appropriate thread. I never intended to turn this right thread into a LiveJournal or anything like that despite appearances. It's the opposite, actually. The reason I am posting about all of this on forums rather than on a blog is because Alternate Reality Games aim at being communal; community-driven, in other words. See, the first run of my current ARG didn't go far because the community we are interacting with was essentially cock-blocking us, with the exception of two persons (Lumina/Forseti & Mog/Mogstache).

New Game + will start at some point in tomorrow. I have balanced the game as much as I could, even providing a prize in the -very unlikeliness- our antagonists manage to trig the Game Over. They have no excuse at this point.
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You're either with the system and status quo, or the people and side with justice. There is no middle ground "I just want to go home and curl up under a blanket" anymore, because that was never an option for me or any other black folks.
Which side is "tough guy internet poster who thinks the police are burning down community centers to frame the protestors"?  :Creepy Stalker

Just saying, this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161821774&postcount=273
 seems like a pretty toxic and combative thing to say to me, but Sorian is banned, so I guess the mods disagree (unless he said something much later that caused it).  I think there should be room in those threads for people to voice concerns over how the riots affect their daily lives in addition to those examining the greater cause and being sympathetic/disagreeable towards the ones actually committing the acts, the former because things got so bad that this was the logical conclusion and the latter because innocents that may have been supporters of the cause or even affected by the fucked up system have gotten caught up in it.  There doesn't have to be any underlying racism or an "us vs them" narrative in self-preservation.

Also got a few friends in Baltimore that I'm worried about which is why I was going to post in there, but no sense now.  Like Takuan said, shit's a minefield.
I understand the anger on some level. There are legitimate problems with the entire system, and the black experience is a daily battle with negative stereotypes, unprovoked harassment, and outright hatred. They're seeing their kin die by the hands of police officers seemingly every week for no crime, and can accurately predict the justice system failing them entirely. The decision makers do not appear to care.

That said, I don't see how accepting and even encouraging ruining others' lives is at all helpful or healthy. That attitude can be reduced to "Fuck me? FUCK YOU!" It's not at all persuasive to the groups that need to be persuaded. Writing off the direct suffering of others who have no hand in Freddie Grey's death as collateral damage contradicts their demands for justice.

The stances in the threads are radical, supported by the fact that rioters represent a very small percentage of the protesters. The threads are being moderated in such a way that the radical stance can be interpreted as the accepted norm, when in reality most can agree it's extremely problematic.

Yeah, that's pretty much my stance on the whole thing.  Won't post that there though since the moderation is incredibly unpredictable on it, particularly with script kiddie still there.

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Because it's a distinguished mentally-challenged attitude for simple bitches, just as distinguished mentally-challenged as Bush with "you're with us or against us" after 9/11.

Yeah... I don't have the stomach for waving away indifference to full scale war, especially doing so for persons living in a nominally democratic state.

Read Atlas Shrugged The Mother. (Don't it's super boring.)

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161411260&postcount=237

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On top of that, if it's truly something despicable like what Criminal Girls is, it should be enough to turn you off of it, regardless of this supposed wonderful RPG system. There are games that have great RPG systems and don't objectify babies. Why not just let it go? Why pretend it's soooo fun to play that it overcomes your desire to look porno children?

Glad you speak for me. I'm actually really offended that you think I play these games for the "child porn", seeing as how I work with special needs children every day.

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this motherfucker just cannot help themselves

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Thoughts on what I own from this sale:

Criminal Girls

Not gonna go into too much detail, but I'll leave it at this: If you can get over the lewd content, you'll probably like this game if you like jRPGs. Combat is really refreshing, even though it's turn based. Story and world are interesting. The lewd stuff is there, but it's pretty censored and probably only takes up 5% of your game time. However, it is basically unavoidable, and to be honest, not enjoyable at all. However, the other 95% is, and I found myself really liking this game a lot more than I thought I would. I enjoyed going into fights. I didn't mind grinding (it does require just a bit). Fun, fun game.

it's k game cuz there is only a lil bit of sexually depicted lolis. totally great if you can overlook such a small flaw!

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My problem with the anti-riot side is that they seem to be more concerned for keeping the status quo without a concern for how this entire thing is affecting the whole communities psyche. Every time this happens, people ask why people are rioting; the answer should be obvious as to why. If you quell a people's voice, they will react through violence. This is a basic law of nature and historical social unrest, and I'm shocked at the naďveté that is displayed any time this happens.

Alternatively, I don't agree with the looters methods, and they are certainly doing harm to their community, but it's hard for me to completely throw them under the bus when the system has already done the same in kind to them.

I think that peaceful protest is the way to go, but in no way do I think that it's the only way for justice to be served. Even MLK needed a foil - and that being Malcolm X - and for someone to show the powers that be the alternative to MLK. If MLK was the carrot, Malcolm X was the stick. We need a stick; a good one, if we are going to get anything done.

Honestly, I worry about everyone in Baltimore - protester, rioter, regular citizen, even cops - because the entire situation is awful and sad.

My only pet peeve in situations like this is when a black person appeals to white emotions and does the "I'm one of the good ones" routine you see all over the media and Facebook. It disgusts me.


"You're either with the system and status quo, or the people and side with justice. There is no middle ground "I just want to go home and curl up under a blanket" anymore, because that was never an option for me or any other black folks."

- someone who's sole contribution to The Cause is posting about it on a videogame messageboard

People say that a lot but you don't know a thing about this guy. I been to protests ever since I was a teenager, I volunteer at the library handing out food to the homeless at least once or twice a week, I have helped kids learn to read and write better.  Are you going to say the same thing about me? I never talk about this or brag about it openly, but you know nothing about this guy, his story, or his conviction. Usually someone who writes something like that has their heart on their sleeve, and people like that act on their emotions. I think it is highly likely be has protested before, but that doesn't mean you even have a point. Being that he's black, he may find the situation without any resolution, which makes his post even more sad. Yet you're lamenting him somehow being a keyboard warrior when 1. You're not black, 2. You do not have to raise your children in this environment, and 3. What has The Cause done beyond inflate egos? Probably nothing, maybe a little, but not much, considering nothing has changed in 50 years. You can make fun of him and charge him for being a keyboard warrior when you wake up tomorrow and have fifty shades of melanin.
IYKYK

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I read that as the literal Vince McMahon

FStop7

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1037074

we should all just live in people kennels because ethiopia

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I have no problem with people criticizing looting/rioting because those are not effective means of demonstration, and violent riots do nothing outside of ruin neighborhoods (that are never rebuilt). Riots are acts of violence, but they are also a response to violence. In this case, the violence of a police department that murdered an innocent person. Too often the media and white people have a whole lot to say about the reaction, and nothing to say about the initial act of instigation/violation.

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The thing is that it's framed that you're either ok with wanton looting and violence or you're for cops Killing black people.  Personally I see a point to riots if they focus on  The area people are protesting. Burn a Police car?  That at least makes sense, destroying your neighborhood?  Wtf are you doing?
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It's an act of hopelessness and rage. Obviously there are agitators and thugs in Baltimore who saw this entire situation as nothing but an excuse to steal shit. But most of the protestors were peaceful. If this was truly an out of control case of a city going up in flames it would look like 1967 Detroit. It doesn't look anything like that - the police have been relatively passive, and the amount of violent protestors is not large.

I think part of the thing you're talking about is the false choice of those who would police language and demand strict adherence to nonsensical views ("there are no thugs in Baltimore"). This is a complex issue with multiple wears of understanding - this isn't a two sides issue. There is nothing wrong with criticizing rioting as long as one can acknowledge that riots are more often than not a last resort. These people have been terrorized for decades - not just by police, but by their own people in part thanks to racist housing practices and redlining. What do you expect to happen after decades of that type of abuse?
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My problem with the anti-riot side is that they seem to be more concerned for keeping the status quo without a concern for how this entire thing is affecting the whole communities psyche. Every time this happens, people ask why people are rioting; the answer should be obvious as to why. If you quell a people's voice, they will react through violence. This is a basic law of nature and historical social unrest, and I'm shocked at the naďveté that is displayed any time this happens.

Alternatively, I don't agree with the looters methods, and they are certainly doing harm to their community, but it's hard for me to completely throw them under the bus when the system has already done the same in kind to them.

I think that peaceful protest is the way to go, but in no way do I think that it's the only way for justice to be served. Even MLK needed a foil - and that being Malcolm X - and for someone to show the powers that be the alternative to MLK. If MLK was the carrot, Malcolm X was the stick. We need a stick; a good one, if we are going to get anything done.

Honestly, I worry about everyone in Baltimore - protester, rioter, regular citizen, even cops - because the entire situation is awful and sad.

My only pet peeve in situations like this is when a black person appeals to white emotions and does the "I'm one of the good ones" routine you see all over the media and Facebook. It disgusts me.


"You're either with the system and status quo, or the people and side with justice. There is no middle ground "I just want to go home and curl up under a blanket" anymore, because that was never an option for me or any other black folks."

- someone who's sole contribution to The Cause is posting about it on a videogame messageboard

People say that a lot but you don't know a thing about this guy. I been to protests ever since I was a teenager, I volunteer at the library handing out food to the homeless at least once or twice a week, I have helped kids learn to read and write better.  Are you going to say the same thing about me? I never talk about this or brag about it openly, but you know nothing about this guy, his story, or his conviction. Usually someone who writes something like that has their heart on their sleeve, and people like that act on their emotions. I think it is highly likely be has protested before, but that doesn't mean you even have a point. Being that he's black, he may find the situation without any resolution, which makes his post even more sad. Yet you're lamenting him somehow being a keyboard warrior when 1. You're not black, 2. You do not have to raise your children in this environment, and 3. What has The Cause done beyond inflate egos? Probably nothing, maybe a little, but not much, considering nothing has changed in 50 years. You can make fun of him and charge him for being a keyboard warrior when you wake up tomorrow and have fifty shades of melanin.

Holy shit you're back.  :heart

Can we get Oscar back now? :heart

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The thing is that it's framed that you're either ok with wanton looting and violence or you're for cops Killing black people.  Personally I see a point to riots if they focus on  The area people are protesting. Burn a Police car?  That at least makes sense, destroying your neighborhood?  Wtf are you doing?

Self-immolation is neither unheard of nor outlandish.

Himu

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I have no problem with people criticizing looting/rioting because those are not effective means of demonstration, and violent riots do nothing outside of ruin neighborhoods (that are never rebuilt). Riots are acts of violence, but they are also a response to violence. In this case, the violence of a police department that murdered an innocent person. Too often the media and white people have a whole lot to say about the reaction, and nothing to say about the initial act of instigation/violation.

That's exactly my problem. People often talk about the reaction, but rarely the spark that birthed that reaction, as if it was created in a vacuum. That makes it really easy to annoy me when you take that position. It comes off as concern trolling, every single time. Critique the looting/rioting, fine; but please recognize that in situations like that there will always be people who take advantage to cause chaos. Also acknowledge that rioting does not exist in a vacuum. Have the human compassion and empathy to understand their situation. It is possible to do that without explicitly co-signing the violence.

This is why black people who bring up looters/rioters without what caused it piss me off. These same people argue that folks act like we are a homogenous group of people, but when push comes to shove, they are among the first to point fingers and bunch groups of black people - even those who are obviously trying to exploit the situation for maximum mayhem - into one of "bad negroes" and how "embarrassed" they are for our people.

Be anti-riot. Fine. But at least show some balance towards your viewpoint. The fact that people like Ronito seem more concerned about burning cars - mere objects - rather than what caused such outrage - loss of human life - is always telling.
IYKYK

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Fucking Christ I'm having PTSD flashbacks to last August.

Now all we need is JayDubya defending GooberGate and it'll truly be a flashback for the ages.

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removing the efficacy of the methods or the justness of the cause, if you're a bored kid there's an undeniable base enjoyment in just tearing shit up.

i remember the last night of a rock/metal festival i went to around age 18. in the preceding nights there was this hulk hogan looking dude who ran a hot dog van who usually got a bit of a crowd around him when the bands were all done and 50k-ish drunk kids were just kicking around the campsite looking for their jollies. they managed to disperse the crowds well enough until the last night where they shut down the dude's van and smuggled him out for his own safety, with their demands for hogan unsatiated the crowd turned nasty in a sort of psuedo ironic white middle class play outrage way that culminated in half the campsite running around trashing the place and setting alight to any wayward bin, gazebo or anything else unoccupied. a literal ghetto riot just for the sake of having a riot, fighting a running battle with the heavy handed ex-army security team on quad bikes.

not sure i have much of a point here, just everyone seems to either paint rioters into a place of malicious criminality or righteous desperation, whereas i'd wager a large percentage of them are just kids caught up in something happening around them that feels big, important and gives them a buzz. the lion's share of the venn diagram between selfless ideological crusading and self centred motivation.

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http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=161947012

"Just" an analog watch. :iface

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I have no problem with people criticizing looting/rioting because those are not effective means of demonstration, and violent riots do nothing outside of ruin neighborhoods (that are never rebuilt). Riots are acts of violence, but they are also a response to violence. In this case, the violence of a police department that murdered an innocent person. Too often the media and white people have a whole lot to say about the reaction, and nothing to say about the initial act of instigation/violation.

That's exactly my problem. People often talk about the reaction, but rarely the spark that birthed that reaction, as if it was created in a vacuum. That makes it really easy to annoy me when you take that position. It comes off as concern trolling, every single time. Critique the looting/rioting, fine; but please recognize that in situations like that there will always be people who take advantage to cause chaos. Also acknowledge that rioting does not exist in a vacuum. Have the human compassion and empathy to understand their situation. It is possible to do that without explicitly co-signing the violence.

This is why black people who bring up looters/rioters without what caused it piss me off. These same people argue that folks act like we are a homogenous group of people, but when push comes to shove, they are among the first to point fingers and bunch groups of black people - even those who are obviously trying to exploit the situation for maximum mayhem - into one of "bad negroes" and how "embarrassed" they are for our people.

Be anti-riot. Fine. But at least show some balance towards your viewpoint. The fact that people like Ronito seem more concerned about burning cars - mere objects - rather than what caused such outrage - loss of human life - is always telling.
Himu,
First off I'm happy you're back but,  :iface at the bold.
Are we going to do this again?
Hey, remember that one time that the jury didn't indict Darren Wilson and I said, "I bet people are going to riot" and you got all pissed off and said "Why would you say that? you saying they're thugs?!!!"
And now this?
Did I say ANYTHING about caring about burning cars being more important than the spark behind it? No. You assumed it.  I was pointing out that if you have a spark you have direct the fire to make the point instead of just self-immolating. I get it. People are pissed. I get it. They're justified to be pissed. I might not have been beaten but I've been discriminated by police many times because I'm brown.   But no, now it's one of those "You're just not on my side enough." and looking for offense where there is none.

Let me guess, were you going to use the word "problematic"? :hitler

I said it when I said people were going to riot and you were pissed at me for saying so. You treat people like dogs, you turn them into wolves.
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For the record, I care way more about cars than violent criminals. Guy had a rap sheet longer than Besada's Dairy Queen receipt. I don't really care what happened or didn't happen to him.

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For the record, I care way more about cars than violent criminals. Guy had a rap sheet longer than Besada's Dairy Queen receipt. I don't really care what happened or didn't happen to him.
Come on, JayDubya, you don't need an alt.
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Be anti-riot. Fine. But at least show some balance towards your viewpoint. The fact that people like Ronito seem more concerned about burning cars - mere objects - rather than what caused such outrage - loss of human life - is always telling.

TBF, I think that is partially an artifact of the fact that we are generally posting on forums where most people are in agreement that the police murdering innocent people is wrong. That leaves much of the remaining debate on methods to get the government to do something about it. Unless we want to overthrow the government, that means having to find some way to get the electorate to take action and while we should stress empathy and understanding of the frustration, in that sense optics matter.

The white/black framing activates a lot of people's instinct towards in-group favoritism (political and racial) and makes it difficult for people to get to the truth of the matter in a way that doesn't bias towards the narrative they are naturally inclined to believe. Example being Ferguson where the Justice Dept found that the Ferguson Police Department had committed systematic discrimination against black people, but also that Brown had been shot in self defense. Many people might be inclined to believe that the Justice Dept was mistaken on one of those findings and correct on the other, but which one they believed and which one they dismissed probably depends not so much on the evidence, but their political leanings. Clear cut cases without spectacle or controversy don't get nearly as much media play because there is nothing for those seeking clicks and viewers or those with political agendas to push to grasp on to.

As with the wage gap and sexism, I think it's useful to try to pinpoint where the issue stems from racism and where it stems from class, rather than lying the entire blame at the foot of racism in a way that makes the issue more difficult to properly address (This article digs pretty deep into the issue and has some data that surprised me). Not only that, but broadening these issues to include class makes it easier to motivate the electorate to address them.
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For the record, I care way more about cars than violent criminals. Guy had a rap sheet longer than Besada's Dairy Queen receipt. I don't really care what happened or didn't happen to him.
Come on, JayDubya, you don't need an alt.

Hardee har har.  And just after you got sassy with Himu for this sort of thing.

P.P.S. Yes, you should call the rioters in either event "thugs" because that is what they fucking are.

If someone says that's a "dogwhistle," tell them to go take their whistle and go fuck themselves with it.  Cheers.
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TL;DR the thread

Anyone else appreciating the irony of Creepy Stalker liking this post?

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As with the wage gap and sexism, I think it's useful to try to pinpoint where the issue stems from racism and where it stems from class, rather than lying the entire blame at the foot of racism in a way that makes the issue more difficult to properly address (This article digs pretty deep into the issue and has some data that surprised me). Not only that, but broadening these issues to include class makes it easier to motivate the electorate to address them.

I appreciate your willingness for nuance, most "but what about class?" types I encounter pretend class is the only matter.

That said, you will never find a more vulgar class consciousness than that of the American proletariat, so I am not entirely convinced that broadening the issue in this manner will be a successful practice.

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Quote from: FinNeato link=topic=42089.msg2029370#msg2029370
As with the wage gap and sexism, I think it's useful to try to pinpoint where the issue stems from racism and where it stems from class, rather than lying the entire blame at the foot of racism in a way that makes the issue more difficult to properly address (This article digs pretty deep into the issue and has some data that surprised me). Not only that, but broadening these issues to include class makes it easier to motivate the electorate to address them.

I appreciate your willingness for nuance, most "but what about class?" types I encounter pretend class is the only matter.

That said, you will never find a more vulgar class consciousness than that of the American proletariat, so I am not entirely convinced that broadening the issue in this manner will be a successful practice.

I guess the way to address those people would be to show that both matter. I think there is danger in saying only one or the other matters because it denies the reality that people experience and inclines them towards disbelieving you. You're right that modern Americans are apathetic towards class issues, but is that because we've largely succeeded in making the problems of the poor invisible and painting them as their fault? It seems like the trick being pulled is to make poor whites and poor minorities hate each other rather than work together to bring about change.

Anyway, apologies if I'm hijacking the discussion, guys.
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That guy has a lot of hair on his arm for a guy trying to model a watch. Its distracting. Maybe its not that much in real life but this is supposed to be an advertisement. Should have wore a long sleeve shirt of some variety like virtually every other advertisement for a watch has.

Also if you have that much hair on your arm then yeah trim it down. Sorry I don't let my arms look like Sasquatch personally.

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Dude's no Costanza.
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Haha holy shit that post/avatar combo :dead

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*waits patiently for the next anime/final fantasy ranking/taco bell discussion to hit the thread*

Now where have I seen something like this before  :teehee

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For the record, I care way more about cars than violent criminals. Guy had a rap sheet longer than Besada's Dairy Queen receipt. I don't really care what happened or didn't happen to him.
Come on, JayDubya, you don't need an alt.

Hardee har har.  And just after you got sassy with Himu for this sort of thing.

P.P.S. Yes, you should call the rioters in either event "thugs" because that is what they fucking are.

If someone says that's a "dogwhistle," tell them to go take their whistle and go fuck themselves with it.  Cheers.

Holy shit, I'm agreeing with JayDubya on something other than FF games. Hate this whole "thug" is a codeword for ni**er thing - those white frat boys rioting after their favorite hockey team lost in the playoffs* are just as much deserving of the term 'thug'.

*my favorite hockey team just lost in the playoffs :gloomy
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why can't they make another cartoon like this? I don't like the art in the movies and I'm too straight to read manga. But I need to know what happens next
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why can't they make another cartoon like this? I don't like the art in the movies and I'm too straight to read manga. But I need to know what happens next
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:gurl Please.