1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[FStop7]

Can one of you fucking explain to me HOW this backseat modding, because I'm dying to know.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166615532&postcount=217

It's not, that's just a BS excuse to ban you for having an opinion outside of the typical GAF narrative.

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1058241

: The Thread

[Kara]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1058241

: The Thread

Is there a forum rule that Media Create threads have to be unintelligible? Even an intern wouldn't give me such messy data.

Dragon Quest Heroes, a title attached to one of the largest IP's in Japan, only managed to push 46k units and the PS3 version quite easily outsold the PS4 version.

The PS4 is currently little over a tenth of the install base of the PS3.

Originally Posted by media create
PS4 - 1.500.886
PS3 - 10.308.990

the power of the PlayStation 3

Kutaragi-sama

Cerny-kun

[brawndolicious]

Can one of you fucking explain to me HOW this backseat modding, because I'm dying to know.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166615532&postcount=217

It's not, that's just a BS excuse to ban you for having an opinion outside of the typical GAF narrative.

He must have done something else, that post wouldn't make sense to get over. That thread does seem like a circle jerk of rage though.

[StealthFan]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1058295

Card Stan Wars

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166680360&postcount=322
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166682121&postcount=327
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166683201&postcount=328
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166683889&postcount=334



oh my gawd these fuckers are infuriating

[Kara]

First they came for the subs
But I said nothing because I preferred dubs

Then they came for the waifus
But I said nothing because I had husbandos

Then they came for XSEED
And there was no one left to speak for the jRPG

[nachobro]

That series barely has any VO in the first place. It's not like there's whole swaths of cutscenes and story shit that will have VO, just some voice work in battles.

[qq more]

Oh no! My worst nightmare... English voice acting! Boycott this filth! I don't want to hear voices in the exact language I speak!


 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The JRPG is nearly dead in the US and these weeb fucks are whining about English voice acting.  I'm sure the voice acting is going to be shit but damn, at this point, JRPG fans should take any table scraps that aren't uguu pantsu~kun games, especially since this series tends to be good.

Can one of you fucking explain to me HOW this backseat modding, because I'm dying to know.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166615532&postcount=217

When it comes to bullshit bans, it usually means that some mod(s) have you on a shitlist of some kind.

[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166672663&postcount=256

special fellow about spreadsheets of financial data and investments you will never recieve so it supports your plastic box of choice, brehs

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166672663&postcount=256

special fellow about spreadsheets of financial data and investments you will never recieve so it supports your plastic box of choice, brehs

Xcom 2 threads have been horrid due to PS4 stans whining about a series that bombed on consoles not coming to the godstation 4, where success is guaranteed just cuz.

[nachobro]

To be honest these consoles are so starved for games that Xcom 2 might do well

[mormapope]

That's a good point.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166680360&postcount=322
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166682121&postcount=327
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166683201&postcount=328
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166683889&postcount=334

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oh my gawd these fuckers are infuriating

I never understand these spergs. It's not about an inferior version, its about dubbing the game to even allow it to be localized or have it not get localized at all. If you're at all interested in the game and don't know Japanese, this is the only way to play it.

[Kara]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166672663&postcount=256

special fellow about spreadsheets of financial data and investments you will never recieve so it supports your plastic box of choice, brehs

One the most struggle threads in GAF history was when Sony sold some real estate. You had clueless children fumbling with a basic concept like historical cost accounting and Opiate acting like marked to market was bleeding edge stuff.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1058319

 

I may not be a clever man, but I believe that if you need a fan to write a five-parts explanation about the coherence of your gameplay mecanism, you may have fucked up at some point of the presentation.

[mormapope]

I disagree with having to explain mechanics or concepts to strangers on the internet equaling what you're explaining is convoluted or dumb. People clamor for more sophisticated narratives in games, and yet most gaffers lack the ability to interpret anything for themselves.

That Infinite thread is dumb because breaking all that down is moot. People will still have a irrational hate boner over the game while propping up Bioshock which is jankier and has a worse narrative.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Normally I'd agree, except the hate boner for Infinite is justified cause it IS an awful game. My biggest waste of money last gen. 

That thread is another attempt at trying to excuse an awful game with a nonsense narrative as a "piece of art", like the many Order threads try to do.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166703717&postcount=87

I agree with your overarching point that games, as works of art, are sometimes compromised by the circumstances of their development, so much so that not every detail may be explained by the narrative in-game.

 

[Kara]

[mormapope]

All videogames are art, but like any piece of art, the quality will vary

 

I get what you're saying though, some people say the term "piece of art" as if its a qualitative statement.

[Supermanisdead]

play fps games

*chuckles*

[toku]

yes call of duty is the greatest

[Himu]

As a medium I don't think many games set out to try to be art but it would be foolish to say that certain games don't  aspire to be more than just game and want to be seen, taken, and treated as artistic expression. Of course, it's all subjective, but I don't understand the basis of the argument because despite any preconceived opinions on games artistic merit or quality, many still try to be that. Because Super Mario exists doesn't take away from the fact that Monkey Island is an artistic gaming milestone. It isn't as black and white as many seem to try to make it and it's really never worth debating.

[Joe Molotov]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1058319

 

I may not be a clever man, but I believe that if you need a fan to write a five-parts explanation about the coherence of your gameplay mecanism, you may have fucked up at some point of the presentation.

[king of the internet]

yes call of duty is the greatest

Any Call of Duty campaign but 3 > Bioshock Infinity

[StealthFan]

I liked 3. It was the MP that was turrible.

[thisismyusername]

yes call of duty is the greatest

Any Call of Duty campaign but 3 > Bioshock Infinity

I see no lies.

Bioshock series:

System Shock:

[BrokenVerses]

yes call of duty is the greatest

To be fair to CoD, Black Ops 2 at least has a story that takes advantage of the medium with choices that matter unlike something like say GAF darling Uncharted 2.

Come to think of it also actually tries to develop its villain unlike Uncharted as well.

[Kara]

Games are fart.

[mormapope]

I would wreck you fucks in CoD4 or Black Cocks 1.

[Mr Gilhaney]

Who doesn't enjoy a good fart though?

[thisismyusername]

I would wreck you fucks in CoD4 or Black Cocks 1.

Playing CoD past 4.

[mormapope]

Playing CoD past 4.

The series reached its final peak when you buy and use Snoop Dogg's voice pack in CoD Ghosts.

Never played Black Ops 2, played every other CoD. CoD4 and Black Cocks 1 are the best in the series, MW2 is the worst game in the series.

[ZephyrFate]

I would wreck you fucks in CoD4 or Black Cocks 1.

Can we play Black Cocks 2: DP?

[Joe Molotov]

Call of Doody

[Phoenix Dark]

play subpar FPS instead of playing Wolfenstein ET brehs.



put it on Steam, pls

[Mr Gilhaney]

I'm waiting for a 5 euros or less Wolfenstein sale sorry.

[mormapope]

Wolfenstein ET is free now, played it a while ago, was really jank and hard to play, even with bots. I didn't play any classic competitive PC shooters in the past, ain't in my blood.

[Kara]

I played ET: Quake Wars, my depravity knows no bottom boundary. *fires up DUST 401(k)*

[Yulwei]

kind of random but i just wanna say that nudemac dry snitching on figure gaf  has to be the highlight of the year for this thread so far lmao

[Eel O'Brian]

 ”Ta mere a le syphilis, mon ami.”
"Good luck to you, too, frenchie."

COD 3

[Take My Breh Away]

Normally I'd agree, except the hate boner for Infinite is justified cause it IS an awful game. My biggest waste of money last gen. 

That thread is another attempt at trying to excuse an awful game with a nonsense narrative as a "piece of art", like the many Order threads try to do.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166703717&postcount=87

I agree with your overarching point that games, as works of art, are sometimes compromised by the circumstances of their development, so much so that not every detail may be explained by the narrative in-game.

 

If Baudrillard were alive, he'd have to write a fifth stage of Sign-Order as cultural products become even more flawed with logical holes due to expanding scope and the simulation's artificiality is in question because of the flaws being exposed. The consumer has to create a new artificiality through instant online communication and create a circle of logic with others to convince themselves the simulation is intact and working as they envision instead of the flawed simulation they have in front of them. On top of that, you have the remorse caused by buying a product that you "Needed" because commercialism and societal pressure instead of the products you needed to live your life properly like food and transport so you must convince both yourself and others that it was a product not wasted. This also leads to the hypothesis that people claim games are "Art" as "Art" can have significant monetary exchange value. Therefore, in the pure simulation they have constructed around themselves, they declare "Games Are Art" to convince themselves they have invested wisely in their artificial reality and not made a mistake.     

Create a hyperreality on top of a hyperreality to convince yourself you didn't just waste $60 and hours of your life, brehs     

[Kara]

Personally I trace the "games are art" meme to the erosion of art as a cultural concept and its replacement by art the legal construct, especially given the legal regulations (passed and proposed) and history of self-censorship in the industry.

[Phoenix Dark]

Personally I trace the "games are art" meme to the erosion of art as a cultural concept and its replacement by art the legal construct, especially given the legal regulations (passed and proposed) and history of self-censorship in the industry.

expound on this a bit, sir.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166752723&postcount=7015

[I'm a Puppy!]

Here's the thing. Sure games can be art. But very very very few actually are.
The problem comes from trying to apply deeper meaning to a consumer product with very little art in it.
Trying to apply the meanings of symbolism and gender issues to many games strikes me akin to trying to apply the same to a Red Robin commercial.

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166659181&postcount=36

But neither of them are good?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166738847&postcount=86

Continue to kiss the ass of someone that pulls basically the same thing, brehs.

[I'm a Puppy!]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166752723&postcount=7015

Man what a dolt.

My wife is overweight, largely due to health problems. And yeah, I think that fat shaming is a thing, and I speak out against it when appropriate, though it makes my wife laugh when she sees a skinny person get all up in arms about how she should be offended by something that she finds utterly inert.

But really having bypass surgery and STILL gaining weight? No that's a huge problem with self control. It essentially means that despite having had your stomach reduced to a tiny size, you still eat so much you re-expanded it to not just a normal size, but again an overweight stomach. That is a ridiculous amount of eating. Not only does it show a lack of self control it does show a lack of appreciation. Many people would love to be able to afford a bypass surgery (my wife's aunt is trying to save up enough money to get one because without it she'll likely die) and to be able to have it then just toss it out because you were given a chance not many have to get down to a healthy weight and just threw it away because you couldn't control yourself? I mean, yeah that shit should be called out on. It's one thing to call someone out for being obese when you don't know why, maybe they have health issues, but when you see someone eating a gallon of ice cream or drinking 12 cokes a day or worse, having bypass surgery and then gaining the weight back? Yeah that shit should be called out on.

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166659181&postcount=36

But neither of them are good?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166738847&postcount=86

Continue to kiss the ass of someone that pulls basically the same thing, brehs.

Going against the majority opinion at Reddit gets you downvoted
Going against the majority opinion at GAF gets you banned
Going against the majority opinion at 4chan gets you called a feg

Pretty sure 4chan wins this round.

[Supermanisdead]

And going against majority opinion on comicbookresources gets you permanently ip banned,  complete post history scrubbed and a week ban for anyone who mentions your name  :'(

[Phoenix Dark]

that post led me to thick asians reddit....

my god

[StealthFan]

post a link

[Phoenix Dark]

post a link

as if you don't know about every sexual reddit 

http://www.reddit.com/r/ThickAsians 

[Kara]

Personally I trace the "games are art" meme to the erosion of art as a cultural concept and its replacement by art the legal construct, especially given the legal regulations (passed and proposed) and history of self-censorship in the industry.

expound on this a bit, sir.

After / during World War I the last vestiges of (Western) art's traditional patronage structures were mostly swept away (the decline of the church to the point where the Pope was a prisoner in the Vatican and the emergence of the industrial bourgeoisie precipitated the Great War) and in this milieu emerged anti-art. Anti-art is both broad (the label can be applied to such disparate movements as Dada and Epic Theatre) and enduring (viz. laughable dorks like the Stuckists). Modern theatre still hasn't emerged from Epic Theatre's shadow, for example.

As art reshaped itself along these lines, persons living in ostensibly free societies began to use the courts to protect actual art (cf. United States vs. One Book Called Ulysses) and not-even-anti-art (your favorite Miller test case) because if you think you're free, try walking into a deli and urinating on the cheese. A byproduct of these court battles is the over-sanctification of entertainment; to protect the unpopular it must be made into something that's also unpopular, but not profane. It's not Ellsworth Toohey who tells us what art is but Samuel Alito. Truly we live in a Hobbesian nightmare.

A man laid down his life to protect Jeff Koons' Puppy (anti-art literally writ large) from a violent nationalist group that sought to destroy it. Gamers can't even stop buying EA games. Calling games art is not only factually inaccurate but fucking insulting.

[Your Stalker]

post a link

as if you don't know about every sexual reddit 

http://www.reddit.com/r/ThickAsians 

JuicyAsians is another one

[mormapope]

Art snobs are up there with porn star enthusiasts when it comes to shit I mentally check out on. At least porn services millions of people on a daily basis, the same can't be said for old shit created by dusty dead goobers.

[Take My Breh Away]

Here's the thing. Sure games can be art. But very very very few actually are.
The problem comes from trying to apply deeper meaning to a consumer product with very little art in it.
Trying to apply the meanings of symbolism and gender issues to many games strikes me akin to trying to apply the same to a Red Robin commercial.

Most gender and symbolism analysis for videogames is just trite misconstruing of Lacan's theory of The Gaze (Without credit to either Lacan or Laura Mulvey's polemic essay) pushed into a medium and then committing the critical theory crime of analysing only the content instead of the medium that carries it while simultaneously having contempt for the audience watching/reading (Or preaching to an audience who doesn't want to understand and being appalled when they get pushback).

But then that's modern critical theory for you. Running before you can crawl then getting pissed when people tell you that you should crawl for your own good.

[StealthFan]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/yo-kamikaze-revy.325081/

[meeb]

Normally I'd agree, except the hate boner for Infinite is justified cause it IS an awful game. My biggest waste of money last gen. 

That thread is another attempt at trying to excuse an awful game with a nonsense narrative as a "piece of art", like the many Order threads try to do.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166703717&postcount=87

I agree with your overarching point that games, as works of art, are sometimes compromised by the circumstances of their development, so much so that not every detail may be explained by the narrative in-game.

 

I remember some idiot on GAF telling me Infinite was a deep game because it showcased various issues such as racism.

I said that "racism is bad" is hardly groundbreaking or particularly deep, and that showcasing issues is not the same as discussing them. Family Guy showcases issues. I wouldn't call Family Guy deep.