1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[OnlyRegret]

Well there were a bunch of petitions to make Shenmue 3, so judge for yourself.

But they were made by people willing to put their money where their mouth is.
By the fistful.

[fistfulofmetal]

by the what

[thisismyusername]

TLG looks bad? I thought the painted quality of the textures looked really nice.

Shitty platforming with textures that were before-PS3 quality. It looked dated and Sony knows it. The only reason they haven't outright cancelled it is because of delusional fans. We'll see if it does better than Duke Forever and actually brings some gameplay to the table that is quality. But I don't expect it given it's an ICO production.

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Good that you don't care. Still means the game is shitty. See you when it releases and you do the mental gymnastics to try to defend it when it turns out to be a Duke Forever 2.0

[archie4208]

Do those petitions ever work?

Dark Souls came to PC due in part to online petitions.

[Jansen]

idk about tlg. i love sotc but didn't care for ico and it looks more like the latter

[thisismyusername]

Team ICO games in general:

[brob]

the last guardian always looked like a mash-up of ico and sotc. yorda as a colossus, the washed colors of ico, the textures from sotc, etc.

[Rahxephon91]

I've never played Ico, but I understand what it is. TLG looks like a mix of it and SoTC. Having SoTC scale, environmental traversal mechanics/ideas, and Ico's premise. Just that Yorda is now a colossi. Seeing as how the scale and climbing puzzle stuff were fun, I don't see how TLG looks disappointing. Since it seems the game will be that, but with a partner you actually have to use around the environment.

I watched the direct feed video and I don't see what looks dated about the game? It has a "painted" texture look. It dosent look like cel shading or some watercolor exaggeration. Looks more like simplistic painting and I think it looks great. The actual animation and scale were fantastic. The demo was scripted, but SoTC was full of natural " oh I got it monuments" that were still incredibly epic and cinematic without being walking simulators. So I have no doubt this game will be good.

Also it will probably have an ok of only because it will be simple and not in your face like SoTC.

I don't really understand all the negativity, but whatever. I didn't know people disliked SoTC either.

[brob]

people dislike team ico games because they are 1) jank as fuck and 2) the rabble get way too excited about melodramatic cut-scenes with make-believe languages.

I like both of team ico's games because they are simple, straight forward, low-ambition takes on the action-adventure genre.

[Positive Touch]

like do none of them remember how atrocious so4 looks?

or that star ocean is like 1 for 5 in terms of not being garbage

0 for 5 of we're being honest :shrug

[VomKriege]

TLG looks dated because what has been shown recently doesn't look too different with what was shown a few years in the past. I agree it is a deceptive impression because for all we know even if the game is identical it may be that it ran like shit on PS3 (sub-30fps, etc...). Also, but I may be wrong on this, team ICO schtick is much less of an unique proposition on consoles in 2015 than in 2009.

It's possible the game may get an unfair rap, but at my humble level it is really hard to fathom what makes it so problematic that it ended in development hell.  People seem happy that the project is alive, but it is hard to get excited considering we know precious little more than 4 years ago (which in itself was not a lot) apart the fact it is a PS4 title now.

[Rahxephon91]

TLG looks bad? I thought the painted quality of the textures looked really nice.

Shitty platforming with textures that were before-PS3 quality. It looked dated and Sony knows it. The only reason they haven't outright cancelled it is because of delusional fans. We'll see if it does better than Duke Forever and actually brings some gameplay to the table that is quality. But I don't expect it given it's an ICO production.

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Good that you don't care. Still means the game is shitty. See you when it releases and you do the mental gymnastics to try to defend it when it turns out to be a Duke Forever 2.0

What means the game is shitty? Because you don't like it? Sorry, but your dislike of it dosent determine if the game sucks or how I'll respond to the game. It kind of just makes you sound like a prick. Game isn't out and could easily go either way. If the game is bad, it's bad. I don't see why I'd need to make excuses. I'm not emotionally invested in the game. If anything it sounds like your invested in hoping the game is bad just to see an annoying fanbase crumble. Let fan bases dictate your taste brehs. Either way I don't see the point coming at these games with such a cynical attitude, but that's the bore in a nutshell. Hate anything that people like a bit too much and bit too seriously.

[Yulwei]

idk tlg seems kind of boring.

Horizon from the Killzone guys is definitely the most interesting game I saw out of the big 3 conferences.

[Rahxephon91]

TLG looks dated because what has been shown recently doesn't look too different with what was shown a few years in the past. I agree it is a deceptive impression because for all we know even if the game is identical it may be that it ran like shit on PS3 (sub-30fps, etc...). Also, but I may be wrong on this, team ICO schtick is much less of an unique proposition on consoles in 2015 than in 2009.

It's possible the game may get an unfair rap, but at my humble level it is really hard to fathom what makes it so problematic that it ended in development hell.  People seem happy that the project is alive, but it is hard to get excited considering we know precious little more than 4 years ago (which in itself was not a lot) apart the fact it is a PS4 title now.

I don't know if Team Ico's shtick is less unique. Even if since 2009 the "art game" thing has been killed by the glut of try hard indie games and especially now it seems where out of the dude bro FPS era. Still, I don't think there's anything quite like Team Ico games. Few games have had strong art directions like SoTC and few have as such subtly. So many "art games" either take the story so serious that it because too in your face or lack anything resembling a game and become walking simulators. SoTC is a fun game with something deeper  going on if you want to find out. I never did and had a terrific experince with the scale and the naturalistic puzzle pace of gameplay. People say "janky" too much and it's annoying. SoTC wasn't janky. I never had control issues and the weight and other mechanics felt apprioate. It's like janky just means diffrent now. Either way, as a game it was great. As a story it was enjoyable, well told, and well presented.

We don't get many games like that with such expertise or care behind them, especially with such a huge budget as to render it. So I feel a game like TLG is pretty worthwhile now.

No I don't think it's going to be some life changing thing. I think it's just going to be a cool little game that's off from the norm.

[Mr. Nobody]

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COMPLETELY lost my shit 

[Mr. Nobody]

I'm being 100% honest when I say I caught less feels breaking up with my first girlfriend.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168372513&postcount=8286

Also "mom kicked on my door"

"I'm 31"

Help me 


 

[brob]

People say "janky" too much and it's annoying. SoTC wasn't janky. I never had control issues and the weight and other mechanics felt apprioate. It's like janky just means diffrent now.

20 or so motion blurred frames per second is  j a n k  of the highest order

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm being 100% honest when I say I caught less feels breaking up with my first girlfriend.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168372513&postcount=8286

Also "mom kicked on my door"

"I'm 31"

[Mr Gilhaney]

Just more reason that Ico was the better of the two games.

[thisismyusername]

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COMPLETELY lost my shit 

I'm torn between cracking up and disgust.

[brob]

ICO had a postage stamp resolution and prioritized animations finishing over responsiveness

why cant i hold all this jank.jpg

[Mr. Nobody]

Never played ICO tbh 


SotC though 


Even bought the PS3 remake. Love that game.

[benjipwns]

Someone always takes the bait

Foot? Hmm, ok, never understood that expression, but lets look at the rest of your ridiculous post.

Hmm, you're a Kickstarter expert? You're the owner then? You know how Kickstarter should operate? Maybe gives us some of your credentials then or maybe you'll stay silent because you're talking out of your... well, you know what Oh, now we're gonna turn Bloodborne being made into a bad thing. Evil SONY LET?S ALL SHOUT GUYS. Hmm, I was gonna check your post history but its probably  all xbox related no offense. LOL, shame? Repentance? Now you're just trolling...

OK, I will laugh, because your post is getting insane now. Nobody will buy Shenmue? Heh, I guess 2 million+ dollars in pledges just appeared out of thin air? LOL, you were right with your "laugh all you want" comment. But it is US who are laughing at YOU.

Sony will lose its business? IDK if you saw or overslept the last 2 days, but Sony won the E3 it was the best E3 ever, by a consensus. Sony wont lose it's business. But you should stop buying their games nevertheless. Becauise Sony doesnt ned a customre lik you.
tl;dr translation of your post: hurdruoaorudrup ;);()

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168494799&postcount=1904

same guy from his new tag: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168031229&postcount=451

I'm convinced Miyazaki was not that involved in this game. I think they just plastered his name there to get people excited.

Why do I think this? The CG trailer tells the tale. In the trailer, we see a Giant King with a hole for a face. This is a DIRECT connection to Dark Souls 2, a game Miyazaki had nothing to do with, which shows.
Miyazaki is a genius, a visionary. Demon's, Dark and Bloodborne all have a distinct Miyazaki touch, something Dark Souls 2 lacks.

The point is, if Miyazaki was directing this game, he would never borrow from a lesser entry like DS2. He would never borrow from the "lesser vision" of his subordinates. Because,as I said, he is a visionary, one of the greats. It makes no sense for him to stoop to such low levels. It's beneath him, if you will.

The giant in the trailer gives it away. Miyazaki is not directing. And the reason is simple: Miyazaki doesn't need help from the lesser minds.

...The mere notion of Miyazaki actually using anything from the clusterfuck of the lore that is DS2...
Preposterous.

[Rahxephon91]

People say "janky" too much and it's annoying. SoTC wasn't janky. I never had control issues and the weight and other mechanics felt apprioate. It's like janky just means diffrent now.

20 or so motion blurred frames per second is  j a n k  of the highest order

Play on PS3.

[benjipwns]

ICO's jank was good jank, charming jank, because it was simple until the end where they forgot they didn't make controls that work for all that stuff

also, ICO was a PS1 game that got ported up....

...

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[brob]

Play on PS3.

I used the word jank to answer, in part, why people dislike team ico's games (recap: They were shoddily put together and lavished with praise). These opinions naturally predate the PS3 ports and weren't much swayed by them at that point, having been given many years to solidify. If the question was which version to play, then the PS3 is certainly the way to go. Although I have some misgivings about the changes made to the Shadow of the Colossus port, making the game more tedious for no apparent reason.

Sorry if I triggered you.

[tiesto]

Never played ICO tbh 


SotC though 


Even bought the PS3 remake. Love that game.

Ico was a fun little game if you're into 3D puzzlers a la Zelda dungeons, but the puzzles in this one are a bit more 'holistically' designed compared to Zelda. I liked it, though I don't remember it being too big on release... only years later did it develop such a huge following IIRC. Shadow I thought was impressive in concept and it was fun trying to puzzle out the boss fights, but the empty open world felt like total filler.

[Mr Gilhaney]

ICO had a postage stamp resolution and prioritized animations finishing over responsiveness

why cant i hold all this jank.jpg

It did. and I loved it. 

Silent hill 2, Ico, MGS2 all in the space of one months time. What a time to be alive 2001 was.

[benjipwns]

http://www.twitch.tv/gametrailers/v/6205951?t=9h47m38s

and

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jesus christ

from later in that segment: "when people say a game isn't going to happen or something is cancelled or isn't going to happen or an executive won't comment. anything can always happen in games, don't give up, miracles can happen in gaming"

inbetween ten minutes of whining about call of duty being shown which only one guy is paying attention to

"suck it cynics, take it, what do the cynical people think now?!?"

"we did it" "it all happened"

[Jansen]

I only played SoTC on PS3

[benjipwns]

lol at speculating that "the PSN FF7 debacle" was a setup to make the remake unveil more shocking

[Kara]

Because,as I said, he is a visionary, one of the greats. It makes no sense for him to stoop to such low levels. It's beneath him, if you will.

[StealthFan]

I'll believe the FFVIII remake when I see the goddamn thing on shelves.

[Rahxephon91]

I don't know what this trigger  word that you people keep using means means. But no Im not some Team Ico fan. I like one of thier games and think it's stupid to write off thier next one. God forbid people talk about a game.

SoTC was anything but shittly put together. A crappy framerate didn't impact the game to the point of being unplayable, nor did it take away from everything else the game had going for it. "shoddy" is for peices of shit Idea Factory puts out, things that are cheap with no ambition.

People didn't seem dislike the games well until the fanbase parised them like they were gifts from God. The popular opinion was they were good.

[Rahxephon91]

I only played SoTC on PS3

ive never played the PS3 version.

[bluemax]

I loved SotC but that game was janky as hell on PS2 lets not kid ourselves. I mean they pushed the PS2 in ways it wasn't meant to be pushed which I respect as a programmer, but maybe they should've dialed it back for the sake of playability. I still beat the game and all the time trials though.

[OnlyRegret]

I'll believe the FFVIII remake when I see the goddamn thing on shelves.

I feel the same way for a bunch of SE games.

On that note, tbh I was a bit irked by the TLG. In the same manner for FFXV.
Announce a game, show jack shit and play the not-cancelled-we-swear card while dragging your fanbase through the same hype loops yearly.
Until you eventually decide to say, hey it it ain't cancelled, but then proceed to go dark again. Expecting adoration and applause for not cancelling a game. Hopefully TLG will release within two years of its "reintroduction" unlike FFXV.

Seriously, give Toriyama shit for his Lightning waifu thing (Suppadoopa shoutout), but at least credit him with actually delivering a game. More than one.
Now we've got a remake and KH3 in the still waiting to release pile. See ya all at the FFVIIRe-versus reveal 2018.

Good on the rest of the devs though, Bethesda in particular, game comes out this year.
Square Enix, I hope their RPG factory doesn't end up like their main studios and ends up delivers interesting new IPs without needing reintroductions.

[brob]

I loved SotC but that game was janky as hell on PS2 lets not kid ourselves. I mean they pushed the PS2 in ways it wasn't meant to be pushed which I respect as a programmer, but maybe they should've dialed it back for the sake of playability. I still beat the game and all the time trials though.

The (only!) problem I have with the PS3 version is that they changed the enemies so that they shake you longer and more frequently, which makes the time trials some real fuckshit.

I really can't see why they made those changes, since more shaking doesn't really make the game harder or more engaging, just more tedious.

[zomgee]

Ah here we go.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1065003

"What console did you buy?"


Microsoft just had a bunch of silly sequels and remakes. Sony though, FF7? Shenmue III? Uncharted 4? That's what I call original content.

[Phoenix Dark]

How was MS' conference? Any surprises or big reveals? I saw Sony's and it was pretty well done. If I was a console gamer I probably would have been impressed. But then again if I was a console gamer I wouldn't be fucking with a Japanese version of Clifford The Big Red Dog or Final Fantasy shite.

[StealthFan]

MS' conference was ok. Nothing special. I say that as an xbot.

[OnlyRegret]

How was MS' conference? Any surprises or big reveals? I saw Sony's and it was pretty well done. If I was a console gamer I probably would have been impressed. But then again if I was a console gamer I wouldn't be fucking with a Japanese version of Clifford The Big Red Dog or Final Fantasy shite.

Biggest thing was BC.
I'm glad it is no longer a thing for "backwards people".

[Rahxephon91]

MS conference was a typical MS confrence. The same tired sequels showed up, the requisite "speciaL" game that MS will end up abondonimg when it comes out, and some of stuff. I guess the big deal was emulation masquerading as BC. It was ok, nothing terrible.

The problem is I think MS actually needs to kind of do some crazy shit. Sony can play it safe and pander to core gamers. They've got CoD, Madden, Destiny, GTA, whatever for mass appeal. That battle is kind of lost until the next big thing is discovered. Minecraft is big, but at this point it's everywhere and I don't think your kid who probably has to beg for the $20 to buy it is going to be using Hololense.

[thisismyusername]

How was MS' conference? Any surprises or big reveals? I saw Sony's and it was pretty well done. If I was a console gamer I probably would have been impressed. But then again if I was a console gamer I wouldn't be fucking with a Japanese version of Clifford The Big Red Dog or Final Fantasy shite.

It was your standard MS conference. Halo #9028056348058304985, Forza #9-024580348503485034805834059834095834, Halo-Forza #90834905830498503498590348509834. Gears #40-384095834058340859034850938609834560.

Oh and they finally added Backwards Comp. Something Sony still has yet to do.

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/Shinogu/status/610708609249452033

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168249782&postcount=2601

[benjipwns]

Mama Robotnik gif warning:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Best one he's done intentionally in years.

The WiiU 5th Element one will never be topped though.

[thisismyusername]

The MS conference wasn't bad, just boring. Halo, Gears and Tomb Raider will probably be good games but they're very predictable. I wish they would have shown Scalebound and Quantum Break, games I'm very interested in. Also gameplay of Recore would have been great. I'm guessing they're 2016 titles which makes that fine I guess but meh. The Minecraft holo lens thing was scust, harkening back to the age of motion control bullshit conferences

MS conference is bad because it never showed me Phantom Dust PC.

Fuck Phil Spencer. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck them both for canceling that and then saying it's still on and not even showing a goddamn CG trailer to toy with my emotions.

The WiiU 5th Element one will never be topped though.

Is that the one with "our online won't get hacked" from the PSN fiasco? Because if so, that isn't Mama Robotnick, but DocForester or whatever his name is.

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168411954&postcount=65

[benjipwns]

o, forgot bout him

but ya, this one:

[thisismyusername]

You know, nearly all of that list is announced in a fashion now. Outside of Earthbound HD, Eternal Darkness and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 4 nearly all of it is a reality... on other systems. 

[Tasty]

The mention of a "powerful" system and "all the third party developers" didn't really pan out either...

[Kara]

MS conference is bad because it never showed me Phantom Dust PC.

 

[BrokenVerses]

You know, nearly all of that list is announced in a fashion now. Outside of Earthbound HD, Eternal Darkness and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 4 nearly all of it is a reality... on other systems. 

Hey the Wii U did get Infinity Ward's next game after Modern Warfare 3.

Unfortunately that game was Call of Duty: Ghosts.

[benjipwns]

Black Ops II, the next CoD, was the peak of the series in sales wasn't it?

The Wii U got that too.

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In worse form than the 360/PS3 IIRC.

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[OnlyRegret]

Favourite new game...

For Hono(u)r
Looks pree flipping sweet.

[Purple Filth]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168536683&postcount=2375

   

[benjipwns]

As with most high testosterone males we want to come home from a long day at work and put on a video game and feel empowered for a short while. I just cant do that when playing as chick with big tits and vagina.

only exception is Ellie from Last of US. and I have no idea why it didn't bother me with her.

[thisismyusername]

As with most high testosterone males we want to come home from a long day at work and put on a video game and feel empowered for a short while. I just cant do that when playing as chick with big tits and vagina.

only exception is Ellie from Last of US. and I have no idea why it didn't bother me with her.

Because she looks 12

. There we go. I parsed his hidden meaning.

[toku]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168536683&postcount=2375

   

Honestly, I'm 100% okay with judging gaffers based on their avatar.

[curly]

I'm being 100% honest when I say I caught less feels breaking up with my first girlfriend.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168372513&postcount=8286

Also "mom kicked on my door"

"I'm 31"

Spend two pages laughing about an obvious troll