Author Topic: Tales of Xillia 2 is out! Finally a new decent Jrpg (suck it lightning)  (Read 13747 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

SantaC

  • Senior Member
Even though I thought ToX1 was pretty dull I look forward to this. I heard that there are some nice improvements over the first game.



One more reason to keep your good old PS3!
« Last Edit: August 27, 2014, 03:18:27 PM by TalesofWin »

Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
The first one was garbage. This series is garbage.

demi

  • cooler than willco
  • Administrator
Comes out the 19th, I have it pre-ordered on Amazon
fat

SantaC

  • Senior Member
Comes out the 19th, I have it pre-ordered on Amazon

preordered!

What did you think of the first one demi?

Freyj

  • Senior Member
Are the dungeons palette swap bullshit again?

demi

  • cooler than willco
  • Administrator
Was pretty boring, but nothing completely offensive. Didnt play Milla since I didnt care to play it twice.
fat

tiesto

  • ルカルカ★ナイトフィーバー
  • Senior Member
Was watching my friend play the first one last night. Game seemed pretty decent from what I saw, nice art direction. Not sure if it will dethrone Vesperia yet. Anyways I have the second one preordered as well. Nice to see Namco finally giving this series a chance in the US.
^_^

SantaC

  • Senior Member
Was watching my friend play the first one last night. Game seemed pretty decent from what I saw, nice art direction. Not sure if it will dethrone Vesperia yet. Anyways I have the second one preordered as well. Nice to see Namco finally giving this series a chance in the US.

if it is anywhere near close vesperia it will be a good game.

SantaC

  • Senior Member
Are the dungeons palette swap bullshit again?

I think this game got a higher budget than the first one.

Freyj

  • Senior Member
I think this game got a higher budget than the first one.

I recall something about it using the same areas a lot. I'm not sure I have the patience for that again.

Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
Are the dungeons palette swap bullshit again?
Oh not only that, but they reuse areas  from the first game.

And the next one is supposed to be open world! Good luck with that.

SantaC

  • Senior Member
Are the dungeons palette swap bullshit again?
Oh not only that, but they reuse areas  from the first game.

And the next one is supposed to be open world! Good luck with that.

well it is sequel afterall. Did you not expect the same world?

SpeedStats

  • Member
I imported it when it came out two years ago and while I liked using the new characters a lot, I didn't end up finishing the game because I hated its structure.  There are a few new towns in one area of the game, but you're basically retreading the same towns and same dungeons all over again, and you kinda have to do that to repay the debt you're given per chapter and if you want to do the character chapters.

I probably won't get the English version this time. 

Xillia 2 is probably the game that burned me out on the series.  I don't see myself finishing it for a long, long time.

...meanwhile someone's passing Tales of the Heroes onto me cuz they didn't like it, so I might have to play it one day.

Freyj

  • Senior Member
All I know is I can't deal with this shit (swap forest for desert, snow, lake area, etc.):



for half a JRPG again.

Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
Are the dungeons palette swap bullshit again?
Oh not only that, but they reuse areas  from the first game.

And the next one is supposed to be open world! Good luck with that.

well it is sequel afterall. Did you not expect the same world?
Um....what? I've played many jrpg sequels that don't straight up re-use the same environments from thier predecessor. These are also sequels to games that didn't have the most bland and copy and pasted environments out there so I guess Xillia is just unique.

SpeedStats

  • Member
You're basically going through that stuff again for most of the game, especially if you want to get more out of the story by doing the character chapters to unlock the bonus dungeon and be able to tread through it.  I'd recommend doing that one on a second playthrough unless you want to spend some time in the casino poker game earning those items that level up your characters' relationship ranks.

I thought the beginning of it was neat because you do start in the second area and there are new towns/dungeons there, but then you realize that you have to go back to the same dungeons from the first game over and over, and since you did that in the first game over and over, it's a real easy way to burn out. 

The story's alright, though.  Really didn't mind the main story much until I dropped it. 

SantaC

  • Senior Member
Are the dungeons palette swap bullshit again?
Oh not only that, but they reuse areas  from the first game.

And the next one is supposed to be open world! Good luck with that.

well it is sequel afterall. Did you not expect the same world?
Um....what? I've played many jrpg sequels that don't straight up re-use the same environments from thier predecessor. These are also sequels to games that didn't have the most bland and copy and pasted environments out there so I guess Xillia is just unique.

baten kaitos 1 & 2 reused the same areas and it was fine.

so did FFX and FFX-2

Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
So you were only able to use two examples? Ok? There's a lot of jrpg sequels out there.

Yeah X-2 did re-use some of it's environments, but they weren't shit to begin with.  They also added things to them to make it clear that time had changed and the world was different.

Xilla's were shit and one of the problems with the game. I don't want to go through them again.

Xillia was the breaking point for me. On top of looking worse then Vesperia somehow, it had such a bland look to everything. The world was boring and had no passion in it. Quite honestly it could pass for any generic jrpg world. Generic, thats a good word to describe Tales at this point. They all feel and look the same. From the characters to the worlds, they all start to blend together.

Xillia 2 seemed cool since because of what happened at the end of Xilla, the world could possibly be more advanced. Then they showed all the early stuff and then they looked like they were actually spicing stuff up.

Then you learn you spend a lot of the time in the same horrid environments of the 1st game and any thought that this would be better is immediately squashed.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2014, 09:06:29 PM by Rahxephon91 »

SantaC

  • Senior Member
So you were only able to use two examples? Ok? There's a lot of jrpg sequels out there.

was I suppose to list more examples? Ok Tales of Symphonia 1 &2 has mostly the same areas. So it's not even the first Tales game to do so.


Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
Well I mean you said "well it is sequel afterall" as if that's an excuse. As if most or a large number of them reuse environments wholesale. Dosen't seem like it is the norm. Just for games that are quick and cheap cash ins.

Don't people dislike Symphonia 2 for how crappy and low budget it is?

You're argument is just making the practice look pretty crummy and not a good thing. I mean why would someone want to tread through the same dull and bland environments for a sequel? 

Freyj

  • Senior Member
After just playing 120 hours of FFX, starting up X-2 and entering the same zones yet again was enough of a turn off to make me put it down for the time being and I really, really like X-2.

Human Snorenado

  • Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski
  • Icon
I have Xillia and generally like Tales games, but have never bothered to play it. I think I'm just jrpg'd out. Might try to pick it up later this summer.
yar

Human Snorenado

  • Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski
  • Icon
lol

look forward to half-assed mediocre sequels to half-assed mediocre games, brehs

That's like the motto for modern gaming
yar

SpeedStats

  • Member
lol

look forward to half-assed mediocre sequels to half-assed mediocre games, brehs

Pretty much.  Should've known better than to hold any sort of hope for the direction of Tales on my part considering it's Tales.  Xillia 2 is a pretty boring bandaid solution to Xillia's missteps gameplay-wise, but I think people will like it based on its narrative since it's darker than most Tales games.

Though that might be my jaded ass not liking the past five or so Tales games released in the last three years talking.

Purple Filth

  • This cosmic dance of bursting decadence and withheld permissions twists all our arms collectively, but if sweetness can win—and it can—then I'll still be here tomorrow to high-five you yesterday, my friend. Peace
  • Senior Member
lol

look forward to half-assed mediocre sequels to half-assed mediocre games, brehs

sounds like all of last gen (and i guess this gen as well).

Also Tales  :beli
« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 12:10:23 PM by Purple Filth »

demi

  • cooler than willco
  • Administrator
I've never played Symphonia 2 to know why it's terribad, but the inclusion of monster allies is already a negative. I hate that shit.

I did buy the collection when it was $10 on PSN, so I will replay these games sometime.
fat

SantaC

  • Senior Member
lol

look forward to half-assed mediocre sequels to half-assed mediocre games, brehs

well yes I like the Tales of series so I guess I must like mediocre games. Gotta support the jrpgs though since they're needed to counter all the western fps games.

SantaC

  • Senior Member
I've never played Symphonia 2 to know why it's terribad, but the inclusion of monster allies is already a negative. I hate that shit.

I did buy the collection when it was $10 on PSN, so I will replay these games sometime.

symphonia 2 is decent as a game, but terribad when it comes to the cast. Emil and Marta are some of the worst main characters I ever witnessed.


Human Snorenado

  • Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski
  • Icon
lol

look forward to half-assed mediocre sequels to half-assed mediocre games, brehs

well yes I like the Tales of series so I guess I must like mediocre games. Gotta support the jrpgs though since they're needed to counter all the western fps games.

I don't say this lightly, but I'm concerned that you're either stupid or distinguished mentally-challenged, or God help you, both. You should get that shit looked at.
yar

Himu

  • Senior Member
does anyone even know if this is even good
IYKYK

SpeedStats

  • Member
Like I said, lacks the flexibility taken in the first game (ie: you can't swap party members at will now and can only change them in towns, and there's a chapter-based system where you can only progress to the next chapter if you pay off the debt listed for each chapter and you mostly do this by doing boring sidequests while you should be doing the character chapters or hunting down gigant bosses that you can just lock into a combo if you have the weaknesses sorted like the previous game). There's also a physics change/stat rebalancing that makes the fights more balanced as opposed to being in your favour like it was in Xillia (everything moved so fast that it was in your favour despite the fact that bosses broke out of combos).

Basically, a lot of the game consists of padding.  And a lot of the time that padding is boring.  I really didn't like the structure at all, and I dropped the game because of it.

But I think people will like it for the story because it's darker than normal Tales stories.  Then again, Tales stories are generally not very good, so it's not like there's a high bar.

demi

  • cooler than willco
  • Administrator
Every thread has Himu asking "if its good" - nicca aint gon play it anyway
fat

mjemirzian

  • Member
Decent gameplay and no sick fanservice, it's about all you can ask these days of JRPGs.

Himu

  • Senior Member
Every thread has Himu asking "if its good" - nicca aint gon play it anyway

Yeah, I ask that every tales thread because tales games track record is always spotty and inconsistent.
IYKYK

tiesto

  • ルカルカ★ナイトフィーバー
  • Senior Member
A lot of fun of the genre to me is seeing what sort of crazy environments you go to next, so I'm not too fond of when RPGs re-use locations from previous games... still, with that being said, Baten Kaitos Origins is one of my favorite games of all time and that game re-uses areas in droves.
^_^

Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
Decent gameplay and no sick fanservice, it's about all you can ask these days of JRPGs.
Yep, this is sadly the world we live in.

SantaC

  • Senior Member
lol

look forward to half-assed mediocre sequels to half-assed mediocre games, brehs

well yes I like the Tales of series so I guess I must like mediocre games. Gotta support the jrpgs though since they're needed to counter all the western fps games.

I don't say this lightly, but I'm concerned that you're either stupid or distinguished mentally-challenged, or God help you, both. You should get that shit looked at.

wtf this post was really unnecessary.

demi

  • cooler than willco
  • Administrator
Just ignore Triumph... he is probably dealing with some stuff right now.
fat

Himu

  • Senior Member

Decent gameplay and no sick fanservice, it's about all you can ask these days of JRPGs.

You can tell we're living in the bad future when Tales games' disgusting animu content is considered minimally sick fanservice.

Dude, Tales of Vesperia was the best jrpg of last gen. That tells you everything.
IYKYK

Trent Dole

  • the sharpest tool in the shed
  • Senior Member
It tells you everyone else fell the fuck off HARD. That said Vesperia is a really damn good game. A bit surprised by the hate Xillia 2 is getting here sine I've seen like years of Siliconera comments talking up how good it is and how much better it is than part 1.
Hi

Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
I'll never understand why people think Vesperia is good.

demi

  • cooler than willco
  • Administrator
Dont hurt yourself figuring it out
fat

Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
Dont hurt yourself figuring it out
Too late. I already played Vesperia.

tiesto

  • ルカルカ★ナイトフィーバー
  • Senior Member
There were some great handheld games but there were a few console games I preferred over any of the handheld RPGs last gen (Xenoblade, Valkyria Chronicles, Resonance of Fate, and yes Vesperia).
^_^

Himu

  • Senior Member


Decent gameplay and no sick fanservice, it's about all you can ask these days of JRPGs.

You can tell we're living in the bad future when Tales games' disgusting animu content is considered minimally sick fanservice.

Dude, Tales of Vesperia was the best jrpg of last gen. That tells you everything.

I still can't understand JRPG fans who managed to stay console-exclusive through last gen.  It's like an FPS fan who adamantly sticks with Nintendo-only because Goldeneye was a thing 17 years ago.

Well I was talking specifically about consoles, and you know I agree 100%. But many others don't see it that way.
IYKYK

SpeedStats

  • Member
It tells you everyone else fell the fuck off HARD. That said Vesperia is a really damn good game. A bit surprised by the hate Xillia 2 is getting here sine I've seen like years of Siliconera comments talking up how good it is and how much better it is than part 1.

It is better than X1, but it's still flawed too.  Part of the hyping probably has to do with the fact that a lot of the giants in terms of the genre seemed to have fallen off the rails and some of the cooler stuff didn't get localized at all/hasn't gotten localized yet.  Not to mention that some of the people simply comment on hearsay without actually playing the game.

Again, it might be my jaded self talking since I haven't liked a Tales game since Narikiri Dungeon X.  And that was 2010.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 09:22:45 PM by SpeedStats »

Damian79

  • Senior Member
well yes I like the Tales of series so I guess I must like mediocre games. Gotta support the jrpgs though since they're needed to counter all the western fps games.

I pretty much play exclusively rpgs but this is kinda distinguished mentally-challenged.  I would rather play an fps than trudge through another god awful generic rpg.

Himu

  • Senior Member
Vesperia is actually that good. It may be hard to believe but it's just a great game. Even a broken clock is right sometimes. As we've seen it's probably a once in a life time occurrence. Verperia is actually that good and if it were on the ps2, would still be considered one of the best RPGs the system had to offer. Tiesto has nothing to be ashamed of in this case.
IYKYK

larrydavid

  • Junior Member
Oscar getting to the truth as usual before I get the chance. Honestly I'm not even happy with the way the handheld RPG library worked out last gen when it came to new original releases (take a look at the classics we got every other gen and then laugh at what even the DS and PSP combined gets you) but I would still take Strange Journey and Mario & Luigi 3 over any mediocre as shit Tales game.

Himu

  • Senior Member
Have you played Vesperia?
IYKYK

a slime appears

  • retro king
  • Senior Member
Tales is the only embarrassingly weaboo JRPG series I'm willing to let slide.

larrydavid

  • Junior Member
ugh, when is the stupid 360 gonna drop to like $100 or something. I saw my bud play it a bit and it's got all kind of shit I hate in other Tales games but fans are always gonna point to that game as the saving grace of the series until I actually get the chance to play it for myself. Then again Tales fans also told me that Phantasia and Symphonia were both amazing so I don't know why I should be taking them seriously.

demi

  • cooler than willco
  • Administrator
A better question is why does Tales games rustle the fuck out of all yalls panties
fat

Himu

  • Senior Member
Vesperia is actually that good. It may be hard to believe but it's just a great game. Even a broken clock is right sometimes. As we've seen it's probably a once in a life time occurrence. Verperia is actually that good and if it were on the ps2, would still be considered one of the best RPGs the system had to offer. Tiesto has nothing to be ashamed of in this case.

Would you say Vesperia was better than every handheld RPG from last gen?

No, I like Sj and DQ9 more. But it's up there.

ugh, when is the stupid 360 gonna drop to like $100 or something. I saw my bud play it a bit and it's got all kind of shit I hate in other Tales games but fans are always gonna point to that game as the saving grace of the series until I actually get the chance to play it for myself. Then again Tales fans also told me that Phantasia and Symphonia were both amazing so I don't know why I should be taking them seriously.

Well, I'm not a tales fan. The only one I really only like is Vesperia. There's a reason I ask "is this good" in every tales thread.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 10:28:28 PM by Formerly Known As Himuro »
IYKYK

Rahxephon91

  • Senior Member
I really don't see how Vesperia was good. Yuri being interesting for a few hours dosen't negate the rest of the cast being boring as fuck and the story being typical and yawn inducing nature bullshit. Like they are all almost that, except Xillia 2 with it's alternate dimensions and whatnot. I don't even remember the cast, but I bet I could describe them.

Princess girl who's been sheltered. Kid who wants to prove himself. Wise old dude with hidden backstory. Bratty eccentric mage.

Such an interesting cast. They aren't in every single Tales game.

Thats what they were and they weren't fun or enduring. Plus I'm pretty sure these same characters then appeared in Graces and Xilla again.

And quite honestly, I dislike the way Tales games play. At least the 3d "Symphonia ones". They all feel pretty slow for action rpgs. Even Star Ocean 4 plays better with it's quick and responsive action gameplay. Never mind that blindside is an actual cool mechanic that Vesperia has no alternative to.

I really did not understand why Vesperia got so much praise beyond the graphics. Yet, we don't praise Eternal Sonata for it's graphics.

There were plenty of better console jrpgs. Xenoblade, The Last Story, Resonance of Fate, Lost Odyssey,
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Final Fantasy XIII
[close]
, and hell Magna Carta 2.

larrydavid

  • Junior Member
A better question is why does Tales games rustle the fuck out of all yalls panties

I could do a spergy breakdown for you demi but no one wants to read that. So I'll go with seething budget resentment I guess. My panties get less bunched with time though as my backlog of actually good RPGs to play keeps growing.

Also this series is too much fun to talk shit about. Like look at this:

"The game later dives deep into issues of racism which was the result of the work of Hiramatsu Masaki, who wrote most of the main scenario. He sites his trip to Yugoslavia, where ethnic strife is predominant, as an inspiration for the story.[1]"
« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 10:56:09 PM by larrydavid »

Himu

  • Senior Member
Takes of Vesperia is great because:

The cast is great aside from mallet boy. This means a lot since it's Tales. Yuri is one of the most refreshing main characters in an rpg, western or Japanese. A vigilante who acts on his own accord and comes up with his own gray-ish decisions is great, and a long time coming in RPGs. Yuri is still, in my opinion , the most memorable main character in a game from last gen, aside from vincent in Catherine and Shepard and mass Effect. His character transformation - into someone truly never truly good, nor truly bad - is refreshing and for a jrpg, inventive.

Vesperia does away with a lot of tropes that have been common in jrpgs since FFVII. Namely romance. Usually in a Tales game the main character swoons on the female lead and it becomes one big love story soap opera. Not in Vesperia. In Vesperia, Estelle and Yuri are just travel buddies, or brother and sister and Yuri sticks by her. ToV doesn't fully embrace tropes, but instead warps them. For instance, Estelle is a runaway princess and runaway princesses in jrpgs, especially Tales games, pigeonhole that character as clumsy, stupid, and defenseless. Estelle is smart and has comedic sharp wit. She doesn't give a fuck, and she don't need no man.

The games pacing is incredible. 50-60 hours into the game, you're still getting regular new content to break the pacing up. Once you're starting to get bored, something happens to make the game feel new again. Especially battle-wise. It's battle system feature set pacing is incredible. You're getting new abilities and strategies constantly. The world is also vast. You go through an incredible amount of locations and dungeons. It has old school traditional rpg pacing written all over it.

The battle system, as said, has layers upon layers that continuously build on each other. You go from grades to Overlimits, to burst artes, to mystic artes. The battle system isn't button mashy in Tales fashion because the characters have longer pause animations. Yuri for instance does a really long pause after his animations, which factors into block timing, evasion, combos and basic defense. If you mash you'll lose your opportunity to combo, and in Vesperia you need to block against enemies or they'll chew you up. The environment interaction in battle is also a change of pace for action RPGs and some of them can create for some highly creative battle scenarios.

There's an in-depth weapon customization system.

There's a ton of side quests.

There's a vast new game+ mode.

It's incredibly polished. Most of the jrpgs last generation had awful polish. Blue Dragon had those fucking awful battle frame rates, the game was piss easy. Lost odyssey was flawed as hell. FFXIII, we won't even go there. Ditto to the rest of the genre on consoles last gen. tales of vesperia, however, had the level of polish, creativity, and scope of previous generations jrpgs.

tales of vesperia was not only the best jrpg of last console gen, I'd say it was the best traditional rpg of last gen as well, including handheld RPGs. I'm starting to think I'd put it over DQ9 because unlike DQ9, TOV doesn't have flawed class systems.

And I say this as someone who HATED Abyss, found Symphonia average, hated Phantasia and Destiny. I HATE Tales. But Tales of Vesperia is the real fucking deal.

And that's real talk.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 11:36:07 PM by Formerly Known As Himuro »
IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
Why does Vincent suck? I thought the writing for him was unique for games. I like Shepard mostly because of player agency. Shepard doesn't really have a character besides the you create. Which, for obvious reasons, appeals to me.
IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
God, that post made me have massive Vesperia withdrawal. I haven't played it since 08 but damn, the memories are still there. :lawd What a fantastic game. I need to import. :lawd

IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
Why does Vincent suck? I thought the writing for him was unique for games. I like Shepard mostly because of player agency. Shepard doesn't really have a character besides the you create. Which, for obvious reasons, appeals to me.

he was unique, but he was a fuck-up that i couldn't relate to.  that whole game's story, for as much as i appreciate it trying something different and more mature than games usually try, just did nothing for me.

I couldn't relate to him either. I also think he was an asshole to Katherine. But I often just enjoy stories for their writing and what they're trying to say even if I don't like the characters as people.

For what it's worth, I think you'd like Yuri. But it depends on whether or not you think super hero vigilante-ism in your jrpg heroes is appealing. If you've sometimes screamed at an rpg at how the bad guy gets away because of stupid reasons, Yuri is for you. If you don't like characters who take matters into their own hands, no tears, if's, or but's about it, Yuri is not for you.
IYKYK