Author Topic: Tales of Xillia 2 is out! Finally a new decent Jrpg (suck it lightning) (Read 13774 times)

SantaC · « **Reply #120 on:** August 23, 2014, 05:26:50 PM »

omg Xillia 2 is so much better than first one so far. The cat dispatching is hilarious.

SpeedStats · « **Reply #121 on:** August 23, 2014, 05:34:22 PM »

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2014, 01:48:35 PM

That is demonstrably false, there are off the top of my head 3 Sega rpgs that are better than the entirety of the Tales series. (PS II and IV, Skies)

You forgot Shining the Holy Ark.

Sega's best stuff was, and is, its arcade material like shmups, fighters, etc. But AM7's stuff was so good. Most of Sega's Saturn stuff was really good. I miss Saturn/Genesis-era Sega in terms of their games developed (not so much the office politics and the SoA/SoJ duality).

Tales games were generally consistent until arguably Symphonia, but then then they started doing that "well, this part of the game is really good, but this part of the game is not so good" type of thing. Not sure what happened there.

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on August 22, 2014, 06:58:53 PM

I think they both put about as much effort in, to be honest.

Yeah, I can see that. Especially since they seem to blow their budget on ufotable/seiyuu instead of the actual game these days! I know I'm coming off as jaded, but fuck it. It ticks me off to see the series become even more of a cashgrab with even less substance than before.

I just want my 2D Tales games with no cashgrab costumes and more substance to the combat and maybe a little more to the characters again. Basically put Tatsuro Udo in charge of everything.

Quote from: TalesofWin on August 23, 2014, 05:26:50 PM

omg Xillia 2 is so much better than first one so far. The cat dispatching is hilarious.

Oh, try to get better food to feed and stuff. That way you can find rare items more easily and faster.

Um, also try to get the "S.Link" stuff done by making the right decisions for some characters. you could always do it on a subsequent playthrough. There are some items you can win in the poker minigame which can increase your relationship status with the characters. I'd honestly do this stuff on another playthrough since the post-game dungeon can only be done if you've maxed your relationship with some characters (ie: you can only use them in your party if you have max relationship, etc.). The Japanese wiki was helpful for that but I dunno if there are guides out there for those types of things in English.

I used this wiki for some maps, arousal orb (allium orb, I guess), and cat dispatch stuff. http://h1g.jp/tox2/

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #122 on:** August 23, 2014, 05:47:22 PM »

GameTrailers actually said the story this time around was good and that is was different from the usual Tales. Is this true? I mean honestly what interested me about this game was the story premise and the fact that it looked to be taking place in a more modern world. I mean most of the reason I'm bored with Tales games is that the worlds and stories blend together for me at this point. The fact that Xillia 2 reuses environments wholesale kind of sucks. If they were to just modernize places up that would've helped.

SantaC · « **Reply #123 on:** August 23, 2014, 05:53:07 PM »

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on August 23, 2014, 05:47:22 PM

GameTrailers actually said the story this time around was good and that is was different from the usual Tales. Is this true? I mean honestly what interested me about this game was the story premise and the fact that it looked to be taking place in a more modern world. I mean most of the reason I'm bored with Tales games is that the worlds and stories blend together for me at this point. The fact that Xillia 2 reuses environments wholesale kind of sucks. If they were to just modernize places up that would've helped.

story is based around being in huge depth and must pay it back as soon as you can. That and the fact you are helping a little girl (elle) find her lost dad. you also make morality choices on the way. It's definitely way better then the first Xillia game.

As for being in a modernized world, yes you are.

SpeedStats · « **Reply #124 on:** August 23, 2014, 05:56:25 PM »

Yeah, the story this time around is darker than other Tales games (hence it was rated Cero C instead of A or B like usual because of blood and stuff). The premise focuses more on the brotherhood aspect and another familial aspect that crops up much later in the game. I think some of the story segments aren't that great due to some trope use and some of the character interactions are mostly barebones because Ludger's a silent protagonist who grunts, but the overall story was well-received. If the game weren't so darn repetitive, I would've outright praised it for being "different" since it takes a more chapter-based "vignette" approach.

You start off in the more modern area that you were introduced to in the first Xillia, then you go back to the more rural portion to do other stuff and then switch around for a bit. Quick travel still exists from Xillia 1, but you generally have to have gone to the towns to unlock being able to fast-travel.

I think the most limiting thing is not being able to change your party members outside of towns, considering the first game let you do it mid-battle, to be honest. That and the constant repetitiveness of the game. It sucks because it has interesting stuff in the story despite some of the character interactions being oddball.

SantaC · « **Reply #125 on:** August 23, 2014, 06:28:02 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on August 23, 2014, 06:04:55 PM

Quote from: TalesofWin on August 23, 2014, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2014, 11:43:44 AM
This is the Bore. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it, SantaC.

eh segata is the one that always get upset. he cant take that Tales of series is better than any game sega ever released

It's so weird that you still base your burns of me on a handle I ditched nearly half a decade ago.

well I have ditched SantaC also...

SantaC · « **Reply #126 on:** August 23, 2014, 07:10:01 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on August 23, 2014, 07:01:46 PM

Right, but it's not like I'm burning you about your love of Santa Claus. The new hotness in Oscar burns is mobile, my man. The only SEGA games I buy anymore are the RGG games, and I pretty much bitch endlessly about them post-3.

Oh wait Sonic Racing Transformed was pretty legit, too.

It was SantaC short for SantaCruZer (my old nick at gaf)

basically from Santa Cruz cali.

demi · « **Reply #127 on:** August 23, 2014, 10:24:06 PM »

The debt system is unfortunately REALLY stupid and unnecessary as claimed. The job system is making my OCD go haywire. I keep trying to clean the list, but 5 minutes later theres like 10 new ones.

Plus after so long, the Nova cunt will hound you NONSTOP, so much that it will force you to make a payment, even if it is 1 Gald. Yikes.

It seems like the game is just "Ludgar's 10 hour story" plus Xillia 1's individual character stories. It might as well be some sort of OVA non-canon thing. Lol.

I'm definitely gonna have to force myself through this one.

demi · « **Reply #128 on:** August 23, 2014, 11:21:00 PM »

I like the battle tune. I dunno why its called "Keep Pushing, until the Sword is Exhausted" -- lol...

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #129 on:** August 24, 2014, 12:15:14 AM »

Keep Pushing, until the Sword is Exhausted

demi · « **Reply #130 on:** August 24, 2014, 12:54:11 AM »

Thank you for the clarification, darling

SantaC · « **Reply #131 on:** August 24, 2014, 05:36:30 AM »

Debt system is there to limit your travel options

demi · « **Reply #132 on:** August 24, 2014, 10:34:42 AM »

Quote from: TalesofWin on August 24, 2014, 05:36:30 AM

Debt system is there to limit your travel options

Which is... stupid....

Sorry duder, Debt system is poop nuggets.

demi · « **Reply #133 on:** August 24, 2014, 02:02:00 PM »

Traveling got better now that I have a World Map -- aka Fast Travel. It even tells you where to go to do character stories and whatnot.

demi · « **Reply #134 on:** August 24, 2014, 04:43:43 PM »

The battle song when you're in a Fragmented dimension is cool.

SantaC · « **Reply #135 on:** August 24, 2014, 05:04:26 PM »

I am hating the jazz music in Trigleph

I am about to start Jude's sidestory. Gameplay is fun and all, but man do I wish a tales of game for PS4 soon. The graphics in this game is terrible. (last gen syndrome I guess)

demi · « **Reply #136 on:** August 24, 2014, 05:40:03 PM »

Got raped by Chronos, lol. The AI on both sides is dumb as shit.

SpeedStats · « **Reply #137 on:** August 24, 2014, 05:44:21 PM »

Quote from: TalesofWin on August 24, 2014, 05:04:26 PM

I am hating the jazz music in Trigleph

Really? I thought Triglav had great music.

Honestly, all of the Elympios music sounded better than the stuff in Lieze Maxia to me just because it sounds different from Sakuraba's usual Tales fare. So I guess it's not necessarily a case of sounding "better" and more "it's refreshing".

Oh, yeah, do the character chapters as soon as you can so you don't feel like you've missed any. They're generally useful anyway.

demi · « **Reply #138 on:** August 24, 2014, 06:15:03 PM »

I really do not like the Allium Orb system.

SpeedStats · « **Reply #139 on:** August 24, 2014, 06:41:25 PM »

They work similarly to the Capacity Core system in Tales of the Abyss, but not quite (and I think someone had made comparisons to the Graces titles system a while back, but I don't really agree with that assertion). You gain element points (depending on which core you have equipped to amplify the points gained and you get better cores later on), and when you hit the number of that element or more than one element you'll learn the skill. It's quite the timesink sometimes, and I guess the padding facilitates skill acquisition.

The cores just amplify the points gained; they don't have skills associated with them at all, so if you want a skill, just equip the core that amplifies the element that's associated with the skill you want to get.

Related: I think the SP growth system in the game is a complete waste and timesink.

demi · « **Reply #140 on:** August 24, 2014, 07:04:03 PM »

Why the FUCK do all bosses block every attack? Jesus christ. I can't do anything but run around. I get juggled to shit, and these bosses just laugh at anything I do. "Lol you want to attack me? Fuck you here's a juggle, oops you're dead"

demi · « **Reply #141 on:** August 25, 2014, 10:05:44 AM »

I am on Chapter 8 -- Gaius' Trial (not like jury, more like, testing you). Game has gotten smoother, so here's some quick tidbits:

- Do any red jobs. Unsure if any are missable, but these are UNIQUE and give you goodies.
- White jobs are random, and from what I can tell, neverending. Dont rip your pubes out trying to clear out the list before moving on. Feel free to accept any jobs if you are heading to a certain area.
- Elite Monsters: Drop this shit to Easy when fighting them, since there is a Battle Challenge for beating 18 (!) of them under 2 minutes. Also, they give fat cash and job points. Do them!
- Do character stories, since you get 15k and some goodies as well. Also they unlock extensions of scenes in the story.
- The game is designed to prevent you from hoarding the shekels. Once you reach the required amount to pay, the game will hound you forever. Toss over half if you just want to get them off your dick.
- Allium Orb system is awful. Use discs that have double or more rate. Use it until you get a healthy amount (2000 or so), then swap them to another element. Theres no benefit of dedicating to one, since the amount of skills deteriorates tremendously. Also go OCD and pick up any elemental pickup on the field. Sometimes you can find some fat chunks like 30 (which assumingly double with your x2 disc).
- The game does a good job, imo, in giving each character their fair shake. Most scenarios (character stories, main story) involve using a set party. All characters get the same XP and EP (elemental points), anyway, so there is no uneven playing fields.
- Don't sell equipment, you get shit cash and chances are it'll be used for some custom crafting.
- This is probably the one game where weaknesses matter. In my post above where I was complaining, I discovered that when I actually used the boss' weakness, the bitch crumpled like a bag of fritos. No I didn't drop it to Easy, either.
- Look for those damned kitties.

Ending Talk:

Chapter 13+

- Don't use transform more than 50 times, this gets you a trophy. Used in conjunction with bad ending for quicker results.

Chapter 15+

- Just spam R1 for the bad ending (trophy)
- Spam L1 after final boss for normal ending (trophy)
- Spam R1 after final boss for true ending (trophy)

SantaC · « **Reply #142 on:** August 25, 2014, 03:14:31 PM »

you're going too fast. I am only at chapter 4 :/

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #143 on:** August 25, 2014, 03:17:33 PM »

What stuff can be imported into Xillia 2? I saw that you get a doll or something if you had Xillia 1 and Graces F saves, is that all there is?

demi · « **Reply #144 on:** August 25, 2014, 03:24:16 PM »

Graces f:

- Having a save file gives you a cute mini Yuri (Vesperia) and a cute mini Sophie accessory

Xillia 1:

- Any DLC is moved over (may be exceptions, unsure)
- Having a save file gives you a cute mini Jude accessory
- Having a clear file gives you a cute mini Milla accessory

Symphonia Chronicles released after this game, so there is no bonuses

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #145 on:** August 25, 2014, 03:27:09 PM »

K, I think I'm gonna play Xillia 1, I just wanted to make sure I didn't need to max out my characters or some crap for Xillia 2.

SantaC · « **Reply #146 on:** August 25, 2014, 04:33:06 PM »

demi, elemental ore gives you free "learning" points for allium orb right?

demi · « **Reply #147 on:** August 25, 2014, 04:41:23 PM »

Yes, its all for the Allium Orb, so pick up all that shit

SantaC · « **Reply #148 on:** August 25, 2014, 05:27:21 PM »

the jobs really are addicting. I'll say just one more all the time.

SpeedStats · « **Reply #149 on:** August 25, 2014, 09:42:07 PM »

demi, did they retain the screenshot option in this version of the game? Really helpful in the Japanese release when I didn't have a capture card.

demi · « **Reply #150 on:** August 25, 2014, 09:50:33 PM »

Yes, I dunno how to transfer pics tho.

SpeedStats · « **Reply #151 on:** August 25, 2014, 09:59:17 PM »

I just saved the pics to a USB drive and transferred them to my PC that way.

I think the latest I got through the game was Chapter 10 but I basically got the story spoiled for me when I didn't ask to be spoiled. :/
The story's all right. One of the better Tales ones.

SantaC · « **Reply #152 on:** August 27, 2014, 03:13:54 PM »

I had some trouble with elite monster Heavy Claw since it rolled over me all the time.

finally got it on my 3rd try.

demi · « **Reply #153 on:** August 30, 2014, 02:45:13 PM »

I just beat up a gay spirit.

http://youtu.be/w2KAiPrqvLM?t=5m35s

Also this cutscene was dope (huge sp0ilers)

http://youtu.be/VfoTU7eITcw?t=26m43s

demi · « **Reply #154 on:** August 31, 2014, 10:34:56 AM »

Beat it with all endings... working on some post-game stuff. Would like to get the two bonus endings (paying off the debt, arena) before shelving it.

SantaC · « **Reply #155 on:** August 31, 2014, 02:28:34 PM »

is it better than xillia 1 demi?

demi · « **Reply #156 on:** September 01, 2014, 11:58:50 AM »

Is it better than Xillia 1? Not particularly. I enjoyed the story much more than Xillia 1, though.

Finished the Arena ending and paid off the debt. Shelving this since theres nothing else to do beyond grind and farm.

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Author Topic: Tales of Xillia 2 is out! Finally a new decent Jrpg (suck it lightning) (Read 13774 times)