Mike Brown shooting thread - No indictment! Get out and protest!

[helios]

Why wait for details in this post-detail society?

[brob]

Nailed it. I should have known better, but I guess this is one of first times it hit close to home and I saw it unravel in real time. It's scary. Scarier when it comes from people you least expect.

When bombs went off in Oslo in 2011 my facebook feed was overrun with people blaming muslims and arabs and immigrants. Later when it was revealed that it was right-wing, white, Norwegian who had set off the bombs (and subsequently killed a ton of people) those same people adopted far more 'nuance' in speaking about the terrorist (and they never called him a terrorist). It was an incredibly jarring transition.

[Kara]

Post a political manifesto, attack a political party and murder members of its youth arm, but hold up we need some context before dropping the T word y'all.

[Momo]

Nailed it. I should have known better, but I guess this is one of first times it hit close to home and I saw it unravel in real time. It's scary. Scarier when it comes from people you least expect.

When bombs went off in Oslo in 2011 my facebook feed was overrun with people blaming muslims and arabs and immigrants. Later when it was revealed that it was right-wing, white, Norwegian who had set off the bombs (and subsequently killed a ton of people) those same people adopted far more 'nuance' in speaking about the terrorist (and they never called him a terrorist). It was an incredibly jarring transition.

A good friend of mine was uncomfortably close to an explosion, glad he was okay.

Topic: I don't like to absolve people from owning their own faults, and I'm not trying to do so here, rather I'm trying to redirect this to where it would serve us best, but we're first going to have to tackle the media and the propaganda they spew before people will start to think about these things rationally and less racially. when you have news channels pasting images of brown people on the tube and labeling them terrorists while white guys that bomb stuff are usually labeled as people with psychological disorders etc, can you really blame people? No one these days cares to really look past what is fed to them and they have no incentive to do so as long as a they can hide in a sea of same faces.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Nailed it. I should have known better, but I guess this is one of first times it hit close to home and I saw it unravel in real time. It's scary. Scarier when it comes from people you least expect.

When bombs went off in Oslo in 2011 my facebook feed was overrun with people blaming muslims and arabs and immigrants. Later when it was revealed that it was right-wing, white, Norwegian who had set off the bombs (and subsequently killed a ton of people) those same people adopted far more 'nuance' in speaking about the terrorist (and they never called him a terrorist). It was an incredibly jarring transition.

They prob still blame the muslims cause they "made him do it"

[Rufus]

Nailed it. I should have known better, but I guess this is one of first times it hit close to home and I saw it unravel in real time. It's scary. Scarier when it comes from people you least expect.

When bombs went off in Oslo in 2011 my facebook feed was overrun with people blaming muslims and arabs and immigrants. Later when it was revealed that it was right-wing, white, Norwegian who had set off the bombs (and subsequently killed a ton of people) those same people adopted far more 'nuance' in speaking about the terrorist (and they never called him a terrorist). It was an incredibly jarring transition.

They prob still blame the muslims cause they "made him do it"

That wouldn't surprise me, honestly.

[brob]

Last election we threw out the government headed by the party who was targeted in the terrorist attack and elected a right-wing coalition

[Rufus]

Any hint of "multi-culturalism is over"?

[brob]

lol. We've been over multi-culti since the 70s, Rufus. We are the stingiest of assholes when it comes to immigrants & refugees.

[Kara]

Last election we threw out the government headed by the party who was targeted in the terrorist attack and elected a right-wing coalition

Yeah, that was a rather sour postscript to things.

[Shaka Khan]

A friend who just graduated from the academy. I mean that's all well and good Ms. Batman, but how about we spare one prayer for the  fallen kid? 

[benjipwns]

They prob still blame the muslims cause they "made him do it"

Maybe we should wait until all the facts are in before we pass judgment on what the Muslims did.

Remember John Doe No. 2 of the Oklahoma City Bombing was never found. And he surely was a Muslim, possibly Iraqi Intelligence, and member of al Qaeda.

[benjipwns]

"staring evil down on the frontlines" is the takeaway quote there that sums up everything wrong with modern policing that leads to these incidents

[Momo]

"The only thing we fear is God and he is on our side"

keep on crusading, Ahab

[Madrun Badrun]

Wasn't this kid 17 yesterday? Getting shot is a pretty shitty form of birthday bumps. 

[Himu]

No one in this thread has supported looting you fucking micro brain dickhead

[Rufus]

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A friend who just graduated from the academy. I mean that's all well and good Ms. Batman, but how about we spare one prayer for the  fallen kid? 

Someone typed that with a straight face? That's straight up war rethoric.

lol. We've been over multi-culti since the 70s, Rufus. We are the stingiest of assholes when it comes to immigrants & refugees.

Ha. Socialist eden guards its fruits jealously, eh? :V

Our politicians started to proclaim the end of "multikulti" again fairly recently. The most recent one were all those scary Bulgarians and Romanians and Serbs (ahem) 'invading' our social security system, despite that fact that only a minority fit the stereotype. Guess what all those countries have in common.

[Madrun Badrun]

No one in this thread has supported looting you fucking micro brain dickhead

If "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere", and this being an injustice, do I not deserve a new TV as part of a five-fingered class action suit settlement?

[Kara]

[Marcelo Bielsa] responded to people looting TVs following the Chilean earthquake by responding: "I don't know if that is crime; what I do know is that it is a crime to tell people that they are idiots if they don't have a plasma TV and then tell them they can pay for it in one hundred installments."

[Madrun Badrun]

I always justify my theft with ideology as well. 

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You want me to pay 20$ for a movie ticket when I disagree with your business model? and torrenting is so easy.*

* sotto voce   

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[Shaka Khan]

Someone typed that with a straight face? That's straight up war rethoric.

You would too if you were openly furry/brony, no? Apologies for not disclosing all the facts.

[Mandark]

JayDub, you're an adult.  If you've got a point to get across, then express what it is verbally and defend it when it's challenged.  If you're seriously unable to do that, then don't just post shit about how much better you think you are then anyone else, and certainly don't act surprised when people take it poorly.  Don't act shitty, dude.  It's a bad look.

[Rufus]

Last time there were riots and looting in London the news took note of teens stealing expensive sneakers. Gotta have the stuff, the stuff's important.

[Rufus]

Someone typed that with a straight face? That's straight up war rethoric.

You would too if you were openly furry/brony, no? Apologies for not disclosing all the facts.

Applejack and Rainbowdash

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WHY DO I KNOW THESE NAMES, FUCK

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stand firm against all evil-doers, I supposed.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

image of the best buy looting aftermath:



black people having taste

[Rufus]

Okay, I found the notion that criticizing "waiting to hear all the facts" as "racial code" to be horrifically stupid

You honestly think it's not a sugar coated "hold your sympathy/cries for justice, maybe they deserved it"? Same for referring to him as a "man", even when it's technically true, even though we're all comfortable calling people that are older than that kids in other contexts. 
Shipping off to war 18-year-old: He's just a kid, oh the humanity.
Criminal suspect (if that) 18-year-old: Manly man who made adult decision and will or has faced consequences.

[Mandark]

JayDub, you're an adult.  If you've got a point to get across, then express what it is verbally and defend it when it's challenged.

Okay, I found the notion that criticizing "waiting to hear all the facts" as "racial code" to be horrifically stupid and that such impulsive rage is how we get such blatant stupidity random destruction of unrelated-to-the-police gas stations in the first place.

Of course, I thought I adequately stated this point the first time.

Challenge away.  Good luck with that.

Except nobody was dismissing the value of waiting for further information as some abstract concept, they were doing it in the context of police violence against minorities, something which multiple posters were attesting to: white people pleading for restraint and nuance when the initial facts challenge their worldview, but rushing for the pitchforks and torches when it confirms their biases.  Which to me is a fairly obvious observation.

[Great Rumbler]

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A friend who just graduated from the academy. I mean that's all well and good Ms. Batman, but how about we spare one prayer for the  fallen kid? 

Someone typed that with a straight face? That's straight up war rethoric.

War on Crime, breh.

[Rufus]

War on sanity, more like.

[Kara]

I always justify my theft with ideology as well. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

You want me to pay 20$ for a movie ticket when I disagree with your business model? and torrenting is so easy.*

* sotto voce   

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It's my go to troll quote when people lament rioting instead of what precipitated the rioting. Rustles some jimmies, I'll tell ya.

[Shaka Khan]

Wrong thread

[Human Snorenado]

JD is just salty that everyone is upset over some kid being dead when all this property is getting stolen and destroyed, which is clearly worse! 

 

[Boogie]

Boogie, where you at?

Tell me, what is the purpose of this post?

[Mandark]

I'd probably be happier if you learned not to strip away social and historical context like it's irrelevant, but I'm not holding my breath.

Is there any reason someone in a black community in Missouri might think that passively waiting for the police to reveal further facts about a police shooting may not be optimal?  The answer is left as an exercise for for the reader.

[Shaka Khan]

JayDub, you're an adult.  If you've got a point to get across, then express what it is verbally and defend it when it's challenged.

Okay, I found the notion that criticizing "waiting to hear all the facts" as "racial code" to be horrifically stupid and that such impulsive rage is how we get such blatant stupidity in the form of random destruction of unrelated-to-the-police gas stations in the first place.

Of course, I thought I adequately stated this point the first time.

Challenge away.  Good luck with that.

I can't speak for everyone, but in the 5 "wait for facts" instances I mentioned, the people using the argument were white west county folks who have repeatedly and unwarantedly codified similar racist comments, such as "north county people" to mean "blacks" and/or "black criminals" in many racially charged contexts.

They are by all means racists when it really comes to it. Many STL residents can attest to how common these things are.

So when someone explains to me that "waiting for all the facts" is a code, and I look at the people in question, I'm inclined to draw a correlation at the very least.

[Mandark]

Yeah, I don't think it's that controversial to say that certain phrases/memes are fine on their face, but can get a lot stickier when you take into account how they're used in real life.  Like in a vacuum I've got nothing against "family values" but if it's on a bumper sticker, everyone pretty much understands what the connotation is.

[Joe Molotov]

image of the best buy looting aftermath:

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black people having taste

Today I stared evil in the face and said "Not today."

[Himu]

I'd probably be happier if you learned not to strip away social and historical context like it's irrelevant, but I'm not holding my breath.

Please don't self-asphyxiate, but no, I don't consider such context particularly relevant as potential modifiers to the statement I was making.

Notice how his vocab increases when he has no fucking leg to stand on.

[Himu]

You're satisfied with shaking your head because it's fell off your goddamn neck, fuck boy

[helios]

Police:8 More Unarmed Teens Still At Large

[Rufus]

I'd probably be happier if you learned not to strip away social and historical context like it's irrelevant, but I'm not holding my breath.

Please don't self-asphyxiate, but no, I don't consider such context particularly relevant as potential modifiers to the statement I was making.

Truths overlap, dude. Racially codified statements and rioting/looting can both exists at the same time and the same people can find them both disgusting.

And you don't have to take a judge's stance to all things in life, however intellectually appealing that might be (it's fucking lazy, btw).

[Kara]

Ladies and germs, welcome to the main event--the bout for the Lacedaemonian heavyweight title.

In this corner, wearing the blue trunks--he doesn't mince words and they'll sure make mincemeat out of you *turning to the crowd* when he deigns to share them with us am I right? *back to stage*--the District's very own wizen wizard... MANDARK!

And in this corner, wearing the red trunks--he's making a list, he's checking it twice, going to find out who's snotty and sincerely links Vice... the man with a quiver so full of terse barbs you'd think it practically Artemisian in its infinity, Texas' very own Trenchant... Texan... JW!

Alright boys I want a good clean fight. Arguments are to decline in length but increase in content as the fight progresses. *to fighters* The judges are lookin' for these folks to hear a fart in the wind that hits like bricks, ya grok? *back to crowd* LET'S GET IT ON.

[Kara]

[CatsCatsCats]

[Rufus]

Uh, I guess I'll make like a squirrel and watch from a brach somewhere.

[Himu]

What in the fuck kara

[Madrun Badrun]

I like his post-post embarrassment.  Its what got me to read that much text.

[Himu]

I understand WHY they're looting. But looting by itself will not solve a thing. And it sucks because that's their only voice in the matter. They feel they'll hurt the white man by looting, because they figure, this is the white mans stuff, but they forget that this impacts their local community greatly. It's a complicated situation. Where do you put the inner frustration of feeling like you're less than dirt - an animal - to the populace, even fifty years after the civil rights movement that was supposed to help us to begin with? Peace has clearly shown to do jack shit, and for that, they have nothing to lose.

[Van Cruncheon]

it doesn't help when the white man reduces that rage to "they're just opportunists looking for free stuff." <tack on racial code words here>


white man, why are they looting NOW? maybe it's not about theft; maybe it IS about hitting back with the only power they have left.

me, i say storm the fucking gentry.

[Human Snorenado]

Yeah, time to storm the Bastille and break out the guillotines.

[Himu]

I used to be anti-riot.

But...these incidents are happening more and more. One day it's going to create a spark. And I'm definitely joining in.

[Van Cruncheon]

well, the media has robin williams to talk about now...

[Madrun Badrun]

Seriously I hope there is renewed interest in the civil rights movement.  PD you should march somewhere.  I would really like a third series of "eyes on the prize".

[Himu]

well, the media has robin williams to talk about now...

Seriously.

[recursivelyenumerable]

JayDub, you're an adult.  If you've got a point to get across, then express what it is verbally and defend it when it's challenged.

Okay, I found the notion that criticizing "waiting to hear all the facts" as "racial code" to be horrifically stupid and that such impulsive rage is how we get such blatant stupidity in the form of random destruction of unrelated-to-the-police gas stations in the first place.

Of course, I thought I adequately stated this point the first time.

Challenge away.  Good luck with that.

I can't speak for everyone, but in the 5 "wait for facts" instances I mentioned, the people using the argument were white west county folks who have repeatedly and unwarantedly codified similar racist comments, such as "north county people" to mean "blacks" and/or "black criminals" in many racially charged contexts.

They are by all means racists when it really comes to it. Many STL residents can attest to how common these things are.

So when someone explains to me that "waiting for all the facts" is a code, and I look at the people in question, I'm inclined to draw a correlation at the very least.

"north county people" is kind of hilarious to me - i grew up (and my parents still live) in north county about 4 miles from where all this went down. should i try starting a gangsta rap career?

[Rufus]

Depends on how destitute you were.

[CatsCatsCats]

Regardless of where you're from, the answer is definitely yes

[Shaka Khan]

Sorry, meant north city.

[Joe Molotov]

North side, mothafuckas.

[Van Cruncheon]

"my name is M.C. REDACTED and i'm here to say /
i'm from the STL in almost ev-er-y way /
i like std::vector and std::map too /
but i'd never use a deque because it was designed by a jew"