Mike Brown shooting thread - No indictment! Get out and protest!

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya, I mean the central park 5 just got 40 million like 2 days ago.  shit is crazy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/06/nyregion/41-million-settlement-for-5-convicted-in-jogger-case-is-approved.html

[Great Rumbler]

"Disorderly conduct"
"Resisting arrest"

[Human Snorenado]

I don't know JD, maybe we should just wait for more facts to come in

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cnn-ferguson-video-bystanders-hands-air

[Himu]

I think your name should Human Snarknado instead.

[sarslip]

when the only evidence was a quik e mart security cam, no one was on some "let's wait for all the facts" shit

they were on that, let's all rush to judgement shit.

[AdmiralViscen]

I don't know JD, maybe we should just wait for more facts to come in

Good idea! Since so many of the witnesses have directly contradicted each other it would be smart to wait for it all to be sussed out.

I'm glad you grew a brain, finally.  It had to happen eventually.

Isn't there like, exactly one witness that doesn't agree with the other 7-8 people about him having his hands up?

I'm pretty sure if a half dozen people told a cop that I had shot someone, and there was a dead body in the street, and I had a gun, I'd be in jail awaiting trial. Even if there was one dude saying that the dead guy totally deserved it.

[Eric P]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/san-diego-school-police-mrap-armored-carrier

MRAP for San Diego school cops

school cops.

[I'm a Puppy!]

You know I've heard all the gun nuts talking about how there should be armed guards at schools and that's a real sore spot for me. I remember going to school in Venezuela behind huge cast iron fences that were patrolled by military guards and it was one of the reasons we moved to the states because that would never happen in America. And I see so many just willing to sign up for and demanding it and it just seems like the most unamerican thing I can think of.

[Great Rumbler]

Columbine High School had a full-time, armed security guard. Didn't help much.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Columbine High School had a full-time, armed security guard. Didn't help much.

But did he have a tank?

[Eric P]

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/09/what_do_you_think_of_college_c.html

well they better stock up in case Universities start gunning for public schools

The U.S. Department of Defense has given Northwestern State University and the University of Louisiana-Monroe police departments 12 M-16 weapons each, according to The Chronicle of Higher Education.

[Joe Molotov]

Liberals get all salty when the national guard comes in to put down a student protests, so from now on, colleges will be equipped to gun down their own kids.

[chronovore]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/san-diego-school-police-mrap-armored-carrier

MRAP for San Diego school cops

school cops.

Over here, my few from afar, it feels like the USA is changing into a William Gibson novel. This stuff feels straight out of the chapter, "Cruising with Gunhead."

[Madrun Badrun]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-threatens-suicide-police-respond-swat-sniper-mrap/

[Madrun Badrun]

Boogie what are you thoughts on police militarization? 

[Positive Touch]

welp the MO legislators just overrode a veto to get a gun bill passed that includes a bit about allowing one teacher per school to be designated security who can legally concealed carry. can't see anything going wrong with this!

[Madrun Badrun]

Honestly I think kids are the problem.  We should just do away with them.  No one would need to worries about 'thugs' anymore.  Obviously we can't get rid of them all, otherwise who will inherit all the capital and means of production, so I think grade 3ers and up with 4.0s should be allowed to live.  4.0s should be easy to achieve with private tutors.  The police force can then expend their energies into hunting down people who get 3.9s and want to live.  Also all those lazy non-working mexicans can take their part time fast food jobs to boot.  Who wants to make me president?

[Positive Touch]

we can never be truly safe until our school days resemble call of duty mp matches. kid in first place wins free medical care!

[Madrun Badrun]

welp the MO legislators just overrode a veto to get a gun bill passed that includes a bit about allowing one teacher per school to be designated security who can legally concealed carry. can't see anything going wrong with this!

What a silly half measure. The answer is obviously to let everyone carry any and all guns they want. Any caliber, any model, any make. It's the only way we can be safe.

This will escalate to all students being given a free MRAP from the army with drive in class rooms.  Contractors and parking lot owners will be laughing. 

[Brehvolution]

Common Core Math + Guns= a recipe for diaster

[Kara]

Honestly I think kids are the problem.  We should just do away with them.  No one would need to worries about 'thugs' anymore.  Obviously we can't get rid of them all, otherwise who will inherit all the capital and means of production, so I think grade 3ers and up with 4.0s should be allowed to live.  4.0s should be easy to achieve with private tutors.  The police force can then expend their energies into hunting down people who get 3.9s and want to live.  Also all those lazy non-working mexicans can take their part time fast food jobs to boot.  Who wants to make me president?

Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_L%C3%B6sung

[Boogie]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/san-diego-school-police-mrap-armored-carrier

MRAP for San Diego school cops

school cops.

I'm more concerned and baffled by a school district having its own separate police force in the first place.   

[Boogie]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-threatens-suicide-police-respond-swat-sniper-mrap/

See, now this is the biased shit on the other side of the spectrum that I don't like.

Mentally disturbed man with a lethal weapon, and was enough of a threat that the other residents of the home fled as he barricaded himself inside the house and a SWAT team was called.  (as SWAT teams should be called in for barricaded armed subjects).

The details on how it ended are not included, but the author concedes that the man agreed to come out of the house and the situation ended peacefully.  And yet, the author criticizes the police for not "de-escalating the situation using mental health professionals"?

Umm, properly-equipped and trained SWAT teams include trained negotiators.  They were apparently able to talk the guy into coming out peacefully without harming himself.   In my opinion, that's more of an example of a successful deployment of a SWAT team, not the reverse.

Boogie what are you thoughts on police militarization?

As much as this thread is starting to turn more into "catch all police controversy" thread, rather than just about the events of Ferguson, to respond to that prompt would require allowing out my Loki-esque long-winded self, whom I have tried to suppress over the past few years.  I'm not sure that that it would be appropriate for me to get on a soapbox and drone on about my profession in a thread that (regardless the ultimate fate of Officer Wilson) has been based on a lot of bad police behaviour.   I think it would be a bit "tone-deaf" of me.

[Boogie]

welp the MO legislators just overrode a veto to get a gun bill passed that includes a bit about allowing one teacher per school to be designated security who can legally concealed carry. can't see anything going wrong with this!

good jon, america

In the vein of Groucho Marx's "I don't want to belong to any club that would accept me as a member", I would recommend that you not designate anyone who is particularly eager to take on that role.   

[Kara]

It's cool that you want to respect this thread Boogie, but I think you're p. smart and you know this subject matter better than anyone else here as best I can tell. Maybe let out your inner Loki in the PoliBore thread?

[Madrun Badrun]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-threatens-suicide-police-respond-swat-sniper-mrap/

See, now this is the biased shit on the other side of the spectrum that I don't like.

Mentally disturbed man with a lethal weapon, and was enough of a threat that the other residents of the home fled as he barricaded himself inside the house and a SWAT team was called.  (as SWAT teams should be called in for barricaded armed subjects).

The details on how it ended are not included, but the author concedes that the man agreed to come out of the house and the situation ended peacefully.  And yet, the author criticizes the police for not "de-escalating the situation using mental health professionals"?

Umm, properly-equipped and trained SWAT teams include trained negotiators.  They were apparently able to talk the guy into coming out peacefully without harming himself.   In my opinion, that's more of an example of a successful deployment of a SWAT team, not the reverse.

Boogie what are you thoughts on police militarization?

As much as this thread is starting to turn more into "catch all police controversy" thread, rather than just about the events of Ferguson, to respond to that prompt would require allowing out my Loki-esque long-winded self, whom I have tried to suppress over the past few years.  I'm not sure that that it would be appropriate for me to get on a soapbox and drone on about my profession in a thread that (regardless the ultimate fate of Officer Wilson) has been based on a lot of bad police behaviour.   I think it would be a bit "tone-deaf" of me.

1) See and this is why it is nice to have your view because when I first read the article I felt like it it was an over reaction and you've made me reconsider that.  I honestly am interested in a police perspective, which is often missing (discounting the involved polices).

2) Ferguson was big because it seems to be a standout case in a pattern of police abuse and so I don't think its out of line to talk about other cases. Its also easier for a white guy like me to latch onto police brutality issues instead of race issues.

[Rufus]

LAPD Confuses Black Actress Kissing White Husband for Prostitute
http://mic.com/articles/98826/lapd-confuses-black-actress-kissing-white-husband-for-prostitute

[Rufus]

The other story the article references/links to is even more worthy than this one.

[Himu]

we've got a black/brown people thread for anything related to race, and polibore for anything related to police militarization. can we keep this thread strictly on ferguson, its protests, mike brown, the killer, and any related content please? sorry to be a jerk

[Rufus]

Nah, that's alright. Your police are fucking scary and worryingly racist. I don't think I need to drive this point in the ground anyway so I'll just silently shake my head from now on. It's fucking depressing.

[chronovore]

Yeah, it's pretty damned depressing.

No matter how this resolves, the disgusting character assassination, lack of repercussions for following procedure on the report, etc. -- this is another case where the feds need to sweep in, take away the boys' toys, and clean up.

[Positive Touch]

nah it's gonna get a lot worse here before it gets better. the governor has deep ties with a lot of people who are focused on protecting the cop at all costs. no one is gonna do anything to this cop, and I think a lot of bad shit is gonna go down here because of it. I don't see the feds doing much besides cleanup duty.

[Himu]

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/black-dentist-all-white-practice-forced

[CatsCatsCats]

https://storify.com/laurahib/shaun-king

We all read this?

[Phoenix Dark]

Case in point: Right before the last presidential election, in 2012 Dr. Misee Harris was invited to a dinner with President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama, as part of her involvement on an Obama campaign team. At that time, her employer advised her not to go because, “We’re all Republicans here,” and that “President Obama was the one responsible for the financial ruin of his office.” I was expressly told at the time, “People who wanted to work for him should not be siding with Obama.”

If there's one group not hurting at all in this Obama economy it's dentists.

[Boogie]

https://storify.com/laurahib/shaun-king

We all read this?

Going to now.   Why does it have to be all in shitty twitter-fied form though?   Can't anybody post shit in proper paragraphs anymore? 

[CatsCatsCats]

Cuz Internet

[Madrun Badrun]

LAPD Confuses Black Actress Kissing White Husband for Prostitute
http://mic.com/articles/98826/lapd-confuses-black-actress-kissing-white-husband-for-prostitute

http://donsurber.blogspot.ca/2014/09/civil-rights-group-turns-on-actress-who.html?spref=fb

which is also why cops should always be wired up all the time.

[Rufus]

Good thing I don't have much faith in humanity. But yeah, put cameras on them stat.

[benjipwns]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/26/ferguson-michael-brown-police-wristbands/16291375/

Under pressure from the Justice Department, police officials in and around Ferguson, Mo., have agreed to prohibit their forces from wearing wristbands in support of the officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The Justice Department also directed Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson to order his officers to follow policy and wear nameplates on their uniforms after federal investigators and residents spotted some with the identifiers removed or covered up.

[chronovore]

Yeah, not a great way to rebuild trust: wearing a wristband ON DUTY which says, "Yeah, one of our guys shot someone and isn't being held accountable, and we support that" WHILE also covering up your name tag, doubling down on "and we won't be held accountable, either."

That whole department needs to be disbanded, just like Wilson's previous department was.

[Kara]

How fucking out of touch can you be.

[Positive Touch]

at this point its not out of touch; its active trolling

[Positive Touch]

noco going haywire right now; info is jumbled but it's looking like a cop got shot in the arm and the suspect is still on the run. protesters and heavily armed police are gathering en masse.

[Diunx]

[Phoenix Dark]

[Madrun Badrun]

Hope he got shot in his wristband. 

[chronovore]

at this point its not out of touch; its active trolling

Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[Positive Touch]

police tonight snatched up some people at the protest and have told the crowd that they will be released without bail if the crowd disperses. now I'm clearly no legal expert, but isn't this basically hostage negotiations? like again, how is this real life??

I should also point out that the DoJ is here, as they've been every night, and yet shit like this still keeps happening.

[Himu]

[Human Snorenado]

Just another day in Obama's America

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/10/01/grand-jury-hearing-ferguson-shooting-is-being-investigated-for-misconduct/

[benjipwns]

I believe the leak certainly.

[benjipwns]

Democratic Voter Fraud Spreads to Ferguson

More than 3,000 people have registered to vote in Ferguson, Mo., since the death of Michael Brown — a surge in interest that may mean the city of 21,000 people is ready for a change.

Since a white police officer shot the unarmed black 18-year-old on Aug. 9, voter registration booths and cards have popped up alongside protests in the city and surrounding neighborhoods. The result: 4,839 people in St. Louis County have registered to vote since the shooting; 3,287 of them live in Ferguson.

The city's population is two-thirds African American; five of its six city council members are white, as is its mayor. The St. Louis County Election Board does not record the races of eligible voters, but many believe the increase is a sign that Brown's death has spurred renewed interest in politics and might mean more blacks will vote in the upcoming election.

[chronovore]

I’m glad they’re voting.

[Phoenix Dark]

That's enough to take control of their city. Good.

[Human Snorenado]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ferguson-missouri-voter-registration-drive-didnt-happen



It was all a "discrepancy," bros. Just 128 new registrations!

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but that just doesn't make sense. I wouldn't think twice if they were...1k off, maybe 2k. It would be kinda weird but whatever. But 3k?

[Himu]

really hoping that ferguson or st louis votes for alderman antonio french into a big position. what a leader. is he on any ballot?

[Phoenix Dark]

French should run for mayor. Seems like it would be slam dunk.