Would PC versions (steam) of future Final Fanatasy titles be worth it for S-E?

[SantaC]

I mean why not. Didn't Dark Souls 1&2 benefit from steam sales?

[thisismyusername]

I mean why not. Didn't Dark Souls 1&2 benefit from steam sales?

Yes. And since FF15 is supposed to have DX11 functions/API's in it already it'd be REALLY bone-headed of Square to not do a PC port.

[Human Snorenado]

Implying there will be future FF titles

[Rahxephon91]

You'd have to be on idiot to think there won't be future FF titles.











They'll be on mobile.

[Rufus]

Well, FF15 is going to come out. Some day...

[SantaC]

well FF13 trilogy is a start 

[nachobro]

Well the new consoles are basically just low powered PCs anyway, right? That should make porting easier.

[SantaC]

Well the new consoles are basically just low powered PCs anyway, right? That should make porting easier.

would buy FF15 on steam day one over consoles.

Wont happen though since SE will always milk the console sales first.

[nachobro]

That seems to be the way for Japan.

Street Fighter , Souls, and now FF

[I'm a Puppy!]

They have to get into as many distribution models as possible to offset FFXV's 20 year development cycle. I think they sorta have to pursue PC unless they get some additional subsidy from Sony and Microsoft.

The important question is when they'll release to the Wii U.

[D3RANG3D]

They have to get into as many distribution models as possible to offset FFXV's 20 year development cycle. I think they sorta have to pursue PC unless they get some additional subsidy from Sony and Microsoft.

The important question is when they'll release to the Wii U.

 

[nachobro]

FF16 gonna be New 3DS/Vita/iPhone releases only, pls be excited

[SpeedStats]

Don't see anything wrong with FF16 being on mobile or handhelds at this point. *shrug*

[Rahxephon91]

Please they've already taken so much. Could they just leave FF alone. Go a head. Take Persona, Tales, Xeno whatever. I don't care, but leave FF alone.

[Himu]

Yesterday you said the reason you hate mobile is because you don't want to play some FF7 mini game and you know they can make more realized projects. Today someone makes the suggestion that FFXVI be handheld/mobile and you say you don't want that. So what is it? More realized projects or not?

[Trent Dole]

I think Rah can't accept that consoles are ogre, basically.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Yesterday you said the reason you hate mobile is because you don't want to play some FF7 mini game and you know they can make more realized projects. Today someone makes the suggestion that FFXVI be handheld/mobile and you say you don't want that. So what is it? More realized projects or not?

Not.

[Himu]

You complain that mobile is for toilet gaming and that it's trash but when opted to get great games for the platform you balk. If you guys are going to pretend to give a shit about games and not platforms, try to be a bit more intellectually honest.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Please they've already taken so much. Could they just leave FF alone. Go a head. Take Persona, Tales, Xeno whatever. I don't care, but leave FF alone.

[I'm a Puppy!]

You complain that mobile is for toilet gaming and that it's trash but when opted to get great games for the platform you balk. If you guys are going to pretend to give a shit about games and not platforms, try to be a bit more intellectually honest.

Maybe I'm just waiting for someone to make it worthwhile before saying "yes! do that!"

[Take My Breh Away]

Every company should just port everything to PC and forget about the whole console thing.

[Human Snorenado]

Every company should just port everything to PC and forget about the whole console thing.

TM The Cruncheons

[Rahxephon91]

Can't I just have one jrpg series that has stellar production values and visuals? I mean we only have one as it is these days. I don't care if they make spin-offs or more jrpgs to mobile. Whatever. But no I don't want the last bastion of AAA Japanese jrpgs to have to become a mobile game. Mobile already has taken everything? Why does it have to take this to. You already got your consoles not having anything, why can't you just be satsifed with consoles having one thing?

I'm sure eventually I'll have to begrudgingly play on mobiles. I don't want to, but I was already looking at ipads as I may need one for other things and so I might as play something on it when I do. I eventually had to play handhelds and so I bought a 3ds and a vita. They are ok, but sorry I still like having big games on my tv. That is still an experience I enjoy and so no I don't want everything on mobile and no I don't want the next FF to be on mobile, because port of the high production values is what I like. I'm not going to get that on mobile. I'm sorry apprantly everyone on the bore dosen't like AAA gaming, but I don't hold that opinion. I did'nt dislike The Last of US like all of you seem to. I don't dislike consoles.  I don't dislike "movie" games. But jesus even if mobile has to be a thing, it dosen't need to take everything. The only reason I even am annoyed or even think about it is because everyone here feels the need to ram it down your throats about how awesome it is and how everything about aaa games and consoles is terrible and going to shit. How amazing everything on mobile is or whatever. Some of is still like graphics, I'm sorry.

[nachobro]

Martyr yourself more taco

[Himu]

I would agree with you if FF were still the graphics power house it were in the 90's and 00's. I never found FF13's graphics or art direction terribly great. 14 is looking in the right direction, though.

[Human Snorenado]

Obligatory "build a good pc, you fucking wanker" post

[Himu]

I think he mostly wants high production jrpgs. Unfortunately those days are over aside from FF. Hence why he resists FF going to mobile, and he prefers playing FF on consoles. Understood.

[Rahxephon91]

Martyr yourself more taco

kill myself over video games? That's pretty silly.

[tiesto]

Lots of good console Japanese games last gen, at least in terms of gameplay. You don't need crazy amounts of technical ability to make a solid looking game, just good art direction. I'd personally rather a game that looked like an uprezzed PS2 game with nice art direction over a Gears game for instance.

[Human Snorenado]

Lots of good console Japanese games last gen, at least in terms of gameplay. You don't need crazy amounts of technical ability to make a solid looking game, just good art direction. I'd personally rather a game that looked like an uprezzed PS2 game with nice art direction over a Gears game for instance.

[tiesto]

Obligatory "build a good pc, you fucking wanker" post

Ehh, would rather just play console games. It's less expensive buying a console and too much a hassle to set up a PC to work with a TV and the last thing I want to do after sitting at a desk all day is go home and sit hunched over my desk and game at a computer. Besides, as a collector, I prefer physical, DRM less games and you can't really get that with PC gaming anymore. *shrug*

[Human Snorenado]

Yeah, you LITERALLY have to run an HDMI cable to your fucking tv these days, oh the horror!

It's ok though, in 10 years you won't be playing anything new since you're so fucking stubborn.

[tiesto]

Yeah, you LITERALLY have to run an HDMI cable to your fucking tv these days, oh the horror!

It's ok though, in 10 years you won't be playing anything new since you're so fucking stubborn.

Not playing any new games in 10 years? How is that different from right now

Actually my PC is in a different room than the TV so that makes things a bit more difficult with the hdmi cable.

But I'm not super-anti-PC or anything, I'll play a PC game if it's the only available way to get it - I just don't have the reverence for the platform that a number of you seem to and prefer the convenience/exclusive library of consoles

[Human Snorenado]

In 10 years I'll probably be playing the 2nd expansion to Diablo 4

[Rahxephon91]

let's be real, japanese gaming hasn't been consistently great since the PS2 era. There were some good games last gen, mostly on handheld, but they became lost early on with new technology and genre except for a couple big fish.

That's just like your opinion man. No, they haven't been consistently great or as ambitious of the PS2 era. That dosen't mean there hasn't been any good games. There's been plenty of good Japanese games. I don't actually have to look towards handhelds for them either(something I've always found overblown). This is also not counting Nintendo since I'm not a fan. I'm sure when you add Nintendo, the consistence is'nt that much of a problem.

i find it weird you're asking for top tier visuals from a japanese company.

I'm not sure how thats weird. FF, MGS, RE, and so on have all had and continue to have great visuals. Sorry, I don't agree that XIII looks bad or has bad art. MGS and RE have consistently delivered good production values as well. Maybe not the best, but nothing to laugh at. That dosen't seem to be changing with the newer installments either. 15 and MGS5 look more visually appealing then most games. Why would I want these last bastions of that to stop? Aren't there enough games on mobile?

None of them outside of Sony are capable of this. and even those big fish largely underdelivered with their big products, like this:

When has Sony Japan recently delivered a good looking game? Sony Japan on consoles has largely been crap. Maybe XIII under delivered for you, but it did'nt for me and so I don't honestly care what you think about the game.

It's over. Let it be over. They know it's over, we all know it's over.

What's over? The glory days of the PS2? Yes, no one has doubted that. Japan still providing some good consoles games with some of them looking the part? Clearly not. There were plenty of good console games last gen with some of them looking quite good visually. And since I still prefer consoles I don't want everything on mobile.

Besides what else am I supposed to play? Loot whore trash games? I'm good.

[Himu]

Hard for me agree there weren't great console japanese games last gen when the games of the generation - Mario Galaxy, Super street fighter IV, Demons Souls, Dark Souls, Folklore,  Siren: Blood Curse, Catherine, Dead Rising, Vanquish, DMC4, Virtua Fighter 5, Resident Evil 5, Tales of Vesperia, Bayonetta,  Sonic Racing Transformed, Ninja Gaiden 2, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey - were all Japanese. And that's just retail. All of those games represent the best of their genre last generation, from unique new ideas to perfected takes on old ones.

Digitally, we've got After Burner Climax, Castlevania: HoD, Outrun HD, Noby Noby Boy, Tokyo Jungle, and more that I'm missing.

I haven't even gotten into the cult games and smaller niche shit like musou titles, shadows of the damned, resonance of fate, yakuza games. I can do this all day.

Because let's be honest, despite now having the overall grasp on the console industry, most western titles were disappointments or fucking Dragon Age 2's, Infamous', Assassin Creed's 1 and 3's, boring ass Call of Duty clones, BOREderlands, Oblivion's. Despite western gaming taking control of console gaming Japanese games STILL took a dump on western games. The best thing to come from western studios last gen were indie games and Saints Row. Most of the big names were disappointing schlock. Shit like GTAIV that were hyped to oblivion and were content barren. Or how about the increase of cinematic taking? That was spearheaded by western studios and I refuse to cape for western games that made gaming as homogenous and sterile than ever before. The amount it western studios and publishers dead last gen? L. Western gaming took the biggest L's last gen. This is undisputed.

So if anyone lost last gen, it certainly wasn't Japanese games. Combined with a psp and DS and you are well. But nothing stops the downgrading of entire genres to appeal to the lowest common denominator that became prominent in western games. Meanwhile I'm playing NG2 and Vanquish. No contest.

While I know you guys are trying to troll, it honestly exposes your own biases and game preferences, because for all the stuff you're talking about how Japan sucked last gen, I dare you to find better action games than the aforementioned titles. But we always saw what western studios are capable of when they make that type of action game: Heavenly Sword and DmC and mediocre slash Em ups like Bloodrayne.

All of this is with ignoring the elephant in the room: the best game of the generation was both Japanese and on Wii.

[Himu]

Stupid errors

[Human Snorenado]

We gonna pretend like Skyrim wasn't a thing I see

[Rahxephon91]

Skyrim is a garbage game with garbage combat.

[Rahxephon91]

edited.

[Human Snorenado]

Skyrim is a garbage game with garbage combat.

You've already established yourself as a garbage poster with garbage taste, so. You know.

[Rahxephon91]

Well I guess I wouldn't expect someone who plays nothing but Diablo to have a worthwhile opinion on anything.

[Himu]

The amount of overhyped crap western games last gen, from Borderlands to Assassins Creed to a Dragon Age 2 to Oblivion was insane. Got gamers caping for mediocre shooting gallery fps games like Bioshock, shit loot games like Borderlands, and crap fps like Killszone 2. Remember RAGE?!?! Year after year. Western crap after western crap disappointment, with the latest, Destiny, being exposed for all to see.

quality > quantity

The amount of western games that lived up to the hype and were of a specific quality last gen is so small you can name them on one hand (Skyrim being one of them) and when they weren't total disappointments they were still highly flawed MESSES (I.e. Mass effect)

The increase of cinematic talking was spearheaded by western studios

you are a metal gear solid stan ffs

I haven't liked an MGS in ten years and I've always been the type of MGS player to replay and skip cutscenes on replay. MGS has always had more than cutscenes going for it. The same can't be true for titles like Bioshock.

[Human Snorenado]

Uh huh. Like the opinion of a fucking uguu obsessed weeaboo matters to anyone anywhere. Go move to glorious nippon so Oscar can beat you to death with an iphone easier.

[Himu]

I started to enjoy the generation more when I stopped buying into crap overrated western shit, and buy what I like.

Oh man. The disappointments last gen. Almost all of them western and shitting on a franchise I like. SSX SIMCITY SPLINTER CELL DMC

The overrated crap AAA western shit is partly why I'm avoiding next gen, because really, that's all they have to offer. Fucking

I'm still not over SSX. Good LORD.

[toku]

I like how I was okay with or liked all the games Himuro wishes ended up in the trash can. Sank some time into SSX for sure.

[Himu]

Streamlining

[Rahxephon91]

Uh huh. Like the opinion of a fucking uguu obsessed weeaboo matters to anyone anywhere. Go move to glorious nippon so Oscar can beat you to death with an iphone easier.

Because that's what this sounds like. Who the fuck pulls the "no one cares about your opinion" Where on a neogaf spin off forum for Christ sake. No one gives a shit about anyone's opinion. Man I don't know why you're such a condescending douche about everything, but whatever. I don't care if you  get off on being a cynical asshole.

Uguu obsessed weeaboo? You don't even fucking know what you're talking about.

For someone who's bitter and likes to play the "I'm above this stupid fourm shit" you sure do devolve into a typical forum ass rather quickly.

[tiesto]

These games received superior scores....... Overhyped.

These games sold more in every territory except japan itself..... Dismissed.

These games offered superior  features, and streamlined gameplay and controls... Everything is homogenous and generic.

The Japanese scene fails horribly at online gaming when it's dominance was forecast on the Xbox and PC the generation previous... Online gaming is tacked on.

The west saves B gaming by heavily backing the indie and PC scene.... a mere footnote.


At what point do you put a stop to it all?

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Streamlined gameplay is superior? Maybe if you want to be a content tourist, but I'd prefer slightly more obtuse and challenging to master mechanics over the "press A for awesome" found in a lot of western big budget games. I don't really play games online very much but the few fighters I played online (KOF XIII, SF4, MVC3) worked fine enough.

I'd argue that "B gaming" as known in the PS2 and prior eras is different from indie gaming. Indies are games with low budgets that know they have low budgets and keep their ambitions in check (usually they have one big gameplay hook that they exploit, and/or they are much more bereft of content than B/A/AAA games). B games generally have more content and are more fleshed out experiences, some of them even shoot for the moon but then hit into budgetary restraints.

I haven't liked an MGS in ten years and I've always been the type of MGS player to replay and skip cutscenes on replay. MGS has always had more than cutscenes going for it. The same can't be true for titles like Bioshock.

are you purposely being obtuse?

Japanese games have ALWAYS placed higher emphasis on cutscene directions and budgets. Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy, on and on and on. Japanese devs have stuffed their games full of FMV since the PlayStation. In fact i'd say Western games have always railed against this from the start, allowing you lots of player choice in dialogue like the Deus Exes or Kotor, or essentially cutting out cutscenes altogether with Half Life 2, etc. I'd even say that western devs came to favor semi-interactive cutscenes with QTE over sit and watch.


I don't even see how this is up for debate. Twilight zone.

Are you basing all your Japanese game experience on MGS, DMC and FF? One word for you - arcades. And another - Nintendo (with some exceptions)

[Himu]

Esch:

Honestly, your ignorance is showing here. Final Fantasy is one of the few jrpg franchises that emphasizes budget and graphics. MGS and FF had big budgets, and emphasis on cutscenes, but they were exceptions to the norm. To say they represent all Japanese games is ignorant. Also, claiming that DMC was known for graphics and cutscenes and not AAA gameplay is lol. It's also telling that the western games you listed: half life, kotor have shit, dumbed down gameplay.

[Rahxephon91]

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[Trent Dole]

You know you don't have to just like games that are from Japan or everywhere else guys, right?

[Himu]

Also, Japanese games never got as homogenous as the story/dialogue as western games did last gen. You mention MGS, when no other Japanese game tried to mimic MGS structure. MGS and FF are all you got. That's a bad argument. Meanwhile, I've got Bioshock, Tomb Raider, Half Life 1&2,  Uncharted, Assassins Creed games and more as examples: linear games that push you from area to area to show the next story section. Yet all you can list is MGS and FF? The big Japanese games: Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, et al are conservative games with a heavy emphasis on gameplay.

[Positive Touch]

everyone go to your room right the fuck now your father is very disappointed with you

[Himu]

Now all western games are linear?

Compared to japanese games, known for all their options in story, dialogue and open world play?


Weaboos

Not all western games are linear.

But try to debate that the style I mentioned did not blossom last gen in western games. It's clearly the most popular style.

And while they may not be traditional cutscenes, they're all big on the stand around and move your character in circles while your cast talks which might as well be a cutscene bullshit. From Gears to Uncharted to Bioshock to Farcry to Tomb Raider GTA. Are you saying that this is NOT big in western games?

Also funny how you continue to use weaboos as an argument when my most played games last gen are all western. Most of my game collection from last gen are western and this includes DD and indie.

I'm done with this convo. I've just argued that the idea that Japan was total crap last gen is an incorrect one, especially in the console space that was full of so many western disappointments and crap games. This doesn't mean I don't like western games. I just call a spade a spade. But you are incapable of trying to not troll me and discount any arguments in your pursuit to cape  shit games like Bioshock.

[Rahxephon91]

Compared to japanese games, known for all their options in story, dialogue and open world play?

I know you're just basing this on Final Fantasy since you clearly don't know anything beyond that.

But yes there are jrpgs that have had open ended gameplay. Be it open world, non-linearity, or even story progression. Like SAGA, SMT, Fire Emblem, Metal Saga, Xenoblade, Radiant Historia, Valkyrie Profile,  some DQ, and so on.

I mean you're gonna use Mass Effect as some shinning light? That game's story is also largely linear and any choices you make are largely fluff. Who cares if  Wrex dies? He has no baring on the plot anyway. Ashley or Kaden? It dosen't matter. Big open world? No, shitty designed bland levels more like it.

You know you don't have to just like games that are from Japan or everywhere else guys, right?

You are you telling this to?

It can't be me, because all I said is that I like Japanese games. While the bitter old douche thinks that means you are a weeboo and like nothing but uguu stuff(which is funny because I usually post about how I dislike that stuff). Nowhere did I damn western games or anything.

[Great Rumbler]

Remember RAGE?!?!

Yeah, I do. And it was quite a lot of fun.

[Himu]

Compared to japanese games, known for all their options in story, dialogue and open world play?

I know you're just basing this on Final Fantasy since you clearly don't know anything beyond that.

But yes there jrpgs that have been open ended gameplay be it open world, non-linearity, or even story progression. Like SAGA, SMT, Fire Emblem, Metal Saga, Xenoblade, Radiant Historia, Valkyrie Profile,  some DQ, and so on.

This is why I don't like arguing with westaboos. Especially wrpg fans. whenever some westaboo talks about jrpgs, they act like they're all cutscene fests and it's hard to take them seriously given that any person who plays jrpgs knows that's not true. Especially given that Jrpg fans regularly shit on FF fans for only liking story rpgs. It's like you're arguing with a brick wall and they can't be assed to actually know what they're talking about.

It's always funny seeing westaboos get superior about how little gameplay japanese games have and then the next thing you know they're talking about who they're going to fuck in mass effect. #thedualities

[Himu]

I gave up taking this seriously when you blamed western games for cutscenes and called some of the best games ever made shit

Let's be like real. Cutscenes were not that big in games until last generation. I never said western games created cutscenes. I also never said some of the "best games ever" we're shit. IF you're talking about Half Life comment, I said the gameplay is trash. And it is. But that doesn't mean it's a bad game. It is a classic due to the experience. Half Life created a type of game that western games have been copying for decades. Games like TLOU and Uncharted use this structure, and it's a structure that is popular in experience games. Western studios lead the charge with experience games last gen, do you agree with this? Japanese made experience games, but they were always a niche and never the norm. The experience type im talking about with western games is now the norm.

Are you trying to argue that the western trademark, stand around and run in circles while your group talks didn't blow up last gen? Are you trying to argue that story didn't start to take the forefront of games last gen? TLOU, Heavy Rain, all those pretentious story games? They're all western. That's all I was trying to say. There's nothing wrong with games like that. My favorite game is a game where you go to work every day in order to service the plot. But when every game tries to attempt to be some fucking story messiah, we've got problems, and that is overwhelmingly where western games went last gen.

[Great Rumbler]

In my opinion, the game that made cutscenes and extended use of FMV big and redefined production values overall in gaming was Final Fantasy 7.

Or any number of mid-90's PC adventure games.

But in terms of Japanese games, yeah, definitely. That, and Metal Gear Solid. Or Resident Evil.