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VRAMgate; how much do you have? PC master race found out
« on: September 26, 2014, 06:57:44 AM »
GAF pc wanna be masterace are finding out that next gen has brought a hike in requirements.

Are you guys ready for 4GB vram in Evil Within and 6GB in Shadow of Mordor (for ultra)?

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This game looks on par with mid-cycle PS360 games, why would it need that much of VRAM?

Sorry but asking a sane man to to put his luxurious 4GB VRAM in use on shitty looking games is as hostile as killing his dearly beloved pet.

I hope this game fails commercially.

Delish tears coming from the PC crowd is best tears

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really upset. Already spent money on the pc version and now i feel ripped off. You would think a 4770 16gb ram and gtx 770 2gb ocd would run this fine but that comment about the vram is absurd. They will be crucified if this runs badly on lower settings on 2gb cards. In fact the whole silence on pc reqs is shady as fuck and thus might be a real shit port. this better be some nvidia 9xx marketing deal.

 :neogaf

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If the VRAM problems are a real thing with new games, frankly the deserving targets of blame are people high up in the management divisions of GPU manufacturering companies... especially $1000-for-decent-VRAM-amounts-Nvidia. $700, top of the line 780Tis being forbidden from having 6 GB models... great move you pile of cheap, greedy dirtbags. Oh, and awesome news, the new 980 is a whopping 5% faster and almost as expensive, but if you want that extra GB of VRAM, better pay up. Disgusting.

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Re: VRAMgate; how much do you have? PC master race found out
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2014, 07:09:25 AM »
I expected this when I bought my 4 GB card 16 months ago. At least I will be able to continue to play new games on medium for another couple years before I'm forced to upgrade.

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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2014, 07:10:23 AM »
 :aah
Posting inflammatory console warrior crap here instead of NeoGaf where you'd get rightfully torn to shreds.  :noah

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Re: VRAMgate; how much do you have? PC master race found out
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2014, 07:11:20 AM »
I expected this when I bought my 4 GB card 16 months ago. At least I will be able to continue to play new games on medium for another couple years before I'm forced to upgrade.

:bow :bow2

A big hike was gonna happen and any real pc gamer knew this, these kids these days just don't know.

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2014, 07:18:41 AM »
Sony stanleys assuming this means the PS4 version has to be on ultra settings :neogaf

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Re: VRAMgate; how much do you have? PC master race found out
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2014, 07:21:14 AM »
Sony stanleys assuming this means the PS4 version has to be on ultra settings :neogaf

Link please

oh wait

you are full of shit

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2014, 07:58:40 AM »
 :picard

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2014, 08:46:08 AM »
Having to upgrade the video-card for the Rage engine is the  ??? ??? ???-part for me. Couldn't care about "next gen" bump, that'll happen. But for "iD Tech 5"? :what

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2014, 10:21:16 AM »
Why is Lager acting like a git? Why is he assuming all pc users have a top of the line rig? Why is he assuming all pc users fall for the master race crap?
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2014, 10:44:44 AM »
That's it.

LEPER LAGER.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2014, 10:45:10 AM »
will this run on my brand new macbook pro since technically it has unlimited rams
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2014, 10:50:34 AM »
So when I build that CPU for the same price as the PS4 I'll have to add like $50 extra so I can play this?
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Re: VRAMgate; how much do you have? PC master race found out
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2014, 10:55:02 AM »
Why is Lager acting like a git? Why is he assuming all pc users have a top of the line rig? Why is he assuming all pc users fall for the master race crap?

Not all Himu, jeebus.

Obviously you are cut from a better cloth.

It's just all those PC kiddies that just buitl their first PC the last two years and thought they were boss

PC folk have been super annoying on GAF
« Last Edit: September 26, 2014, 11:01:19 AM by Premium Lager »

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2014, 11:14:06 AM »
Nothing new, and PC vets knew this was coming, as Arch shows.

Also I called it in 2013, but PC gaf has become blind but now shit Im redeemed already

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507005

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The thing with that though, is people say the 360 graphics card is the same as a ATI card that came out in 2006. The technology wasn't in PCs then. Times have changed and now you're hearing rumours that the cards won't be more advanced that PC cards (like they used to be back in the days).

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Sadly, PC technology no longer works in this way of thinking.

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I don't think it's wise to compare this gen with what's going to happen next-gen. I mean, yes, the PC requirements will probably increase, but PC tech has advanced a lot due to the abnormally lengthy console cycle this gen.

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You also have to take into account that next-gen probably won't be a massive leap due to a myriad of reasons. I will be honestly surprised if a current high-end PC cannot handle next-gen third-party games easily

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I think where this argument really starts to fall apart is the PC market isn't where it was 7 years ago.

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My 2 gtx 670s get an average of 42fps in the new dawn graphics demo and there is absolutely no way the next gen console will be able to get even in an inch of that. Some PC gamers are starting a new standard of 2560 res or 120hz refresh rate so PCs now will be a gen above next gen consoles. Its so funny that consoles next gen will finally maybe have 1080p 60fps games when that's old news for PCs lol as the next gen consoles get older then you won't see that many 1080p 60fps games because games will a lot better and of course devs will try to make the games comparable to the current PCs of that time so naturally cut backs will have to be made. And PC devs will get better at optimizing their games. Metro Last Light will be as next gen as bit gets in terms of visuals and current PCs will be able to run that. When next gen consoles come out you're not gonna see final fanasty CGI type graphics period.

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« Last Edit: September 26, 2014, 11:22:13 AM by Premium Lager »

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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2014, 11:22:27 AM »
Why is Lager acting like a git? Why is he assuming all pc users have a top of the line rig? Why is he assuming all pc users fall for the master race crap?
Lager's been an insufferable fuckwit for a long time now.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2014, 11:22:55 AM »
The Cruncheons foretold of this day an eon ago.

Some of us listened.  :aah

Those that didn't.

Get your hardware recs from people who know what they are talking about, brehs.
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Re: VRAMgate; how much do you have? PC master race found out
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2014, 11:26:04 AM »
I didn't even have to wait two years to get validated on shit.

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2014, 11:30:16 AM »
I'm gonna ride out next-gen on medium settings until the VR wars resolve, then Jump In to True 90Hz Stereoscopic Virtual Reality Gaming
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2014, 12:21:30 PM »
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=131624576#post131624576

So this isn't really a big deal. Right. :beli
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2014, 01:44:05 PM »
This means my next GPU will have to have 6GB VRAM. I just can't deal with the dick shrinkage from not being able to use max settings.

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2014, 01:48:20 PM »
Does this mean PC gaming is dying again?
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2014, 01:51:14 PM »
I joined GAF at the height of the "PC gaming is dead" years. A few years of me posting screenshots and the trend turned.

I liked the thank you card Gabe sent me.

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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2014, 01:52:10 PM »
 :lol

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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2014, 01:53:22 PM »
why would anyone get an entry level pc for 3k when you can get a high end mac for the same price  ???
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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2014, 01:57:23 PM »
why would anyone get an entry level pc for 3k when you can get a high end mac for the same price  ???

$3k for an entry level PC? :wtf
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2014, 01:58:19 PM »
why would anyone get an entry level pc for 3k when you can get a high end mac for the same price  ???

$3k for an entry level PC? :wtf

Looks like nudemacuser gone lost his mind with that number.  :teehee

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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2014, 02:02:40 PM »
Does this mean PC gaming is dying again?

It just means we'll have to wait another two or three years to play current games The Way It's Meant To Be Played™. By that time consoles will be old and busted and my PC will be hot and fast again, and cutting through Destiny PC like butter. :rejoice
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2014, 02:03:02 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2014, 02:04:35 PM »
Is it bad that I want to see console gaming die within 10 years?

I mean, its got one foot in the grave already, right?

PC gaming for people with brains and mobile games for the rest of you.

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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2014, 02:10:18 PM »
why would anyone get an entry level pc for 3k when you can get a high end mac for the same price  ???

$3k for an entry level PC? :wtf

Looks like nudemacuser gone lost his mind with that number.  :teehee
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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2014, 03:35:57 PM »
this reminds me of Remedy moving the FOV slider out of video options because PC gamers instinctively max out all the settings

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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2014, 08:53:55 PM »
Eh, the backlash re: The Evil Within doesn't strike me as altogether unreasonable, given Bethesda's weird refusal to give minimum requirements, and their doubling down on the 4GB VRAM requirement(?) when pressed.

Shadows of Mordor complaints seem silly to me - going by the available specs, it seems reasonably scalable. A bunch of GAFfers looking at screens and videos and trying to insist precisely what the requirements "should" be is pretty amusing.
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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2014, 09:50:59 PM »
why would anyone get an entry level pc for 3k when you can get a high end mac for the same price  ???

$3k for an entry level PC? :wtf

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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2014, 11:19:06 PM »
Evil Within sounds like a trash tier game.

Bububu Mikami.

So? Miyamoto is da gawd and he made Wii Music.

Gaming is dead.

PC master race won't save us.

And certainly not Bethesda. :neogaf

The Evil Within is basically Resident Evil 4: Silent Hill, though. In other words, pretty awesome.
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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2014, 11:33:18 PM »
Ruzheh :(
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2014, 11:45:50 PM »
One thing I do find funny is like two years ago a whole bunch of "WHY ARE GPU MAKERS PUTTING SO MUCH VRAM IN THEIR CARDS?!? GAMES DON'T EVEN USE 1GB!!!" articles/threads/etc.  And that one Nvidia card with 3GB had people throwing shit fits about how nothing takes advantage of it.

I have to imagine most of these games will do okay with recent cards, even some of the recent games with high resolution texture packs weren't denting those too much, personally, it's the CPU I'm going to have to finally move on from...Core 2 Duo E8400...end of an era :'(

But I knew that a while ago, kept putting it off since like Battlefield was the only game that was really upset about it. (And NBA 2K since the port had some really shoddy multithreading that the i5's and i7's just brute force through.) Almost anything else coming over from consoles was just fine maxed out.

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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2014, 12:23:42 AM »
Oh, who am I kidding, I'm just going to play Civ V anyway.

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2014, 12:55:45 AM »
dx12, mantle, metal and other low-level apis replicate the console dev model and optimizations on pc. ps4/xbone doomed next year
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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2014, 01:00:38 AM »
the next big console war will be nvidia vs. amd :smug
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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2014, 01:47:37 AM »
Oh, who am I kidding, I'm just going to play Civ V anyway.

Think of the carpets of doom you could have with an 8gb card :drool
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« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2014, 04:02:59 PM »
dx12, mantle, metal and other low-level apis replicate the console dev model and optimizations on pc. ps4/xbone doomed next year

now they just need to persuade pc gamers to buy games
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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2014, 08:18:12 PM »
i never play anything less than a few years old so i am totally liberated from all this drama. :bow last gen game only playing master race :bow2
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« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2014, 08:41:20 PM »
You know as much as there are devs that screw up with pc ports, there are modders that fix the games.

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« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2014, 01:25:40 PM »
i never play anything less than a few years old so i am totally liberated from all this drama. :bow last gen game only playing master race :bow2

Without consoles, I'm crazy straight /
I'm still playing games I bought on sale in 2008


If you don't care about playing the new games, there is no cheaper method to play games than upgrading your pc 3 years into a console cycle.
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« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2014, 01:34:38 PM »
the next big console war will be nvidia vs. amd :smug

which one has blast processing
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« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2014, 01:37:57 PM »
nvidia.  definitely nvidia. :bow dynamic super resolution

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« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2014, 01:41:53 PM »
AMD sucks

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« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2014, 09:18:12 PM »
I expected this when I bought my 4 GB card 16 months ago. At least I will be able to continue to play new games on medium for another couple years before I'm forced to upgrade.

:bow :bow2

A big hike was gonna happen and any real pc gamer knew this, these kids these days just don't know.

Nexte year will be the real deal. Nvidia rebranding their "new" 7xx series twice tricked those simpletons too. I loved that.

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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2014, 08:37:16 PM »
So it's interesting to see the real start of PS4/Xbone quality gaming on PC and what kind of specs you need to run these games.

AC: Unity
Far Cry 4
Dragon Age: I

All can't run 60fps/1080p max settings on the strongest single card on the market $600+ GPU (GTX 980) /$1,500+ build with no AA.  They hit close to 60fps most of the time but all 3 are showing dips into the 45-60fps range.  If you want good image quality (aka, some MSAA 2x or even 4x) you're looking at around 30-40fps and you need to SLI a second card ($1,200 worth of GPU) for 1080p/60fps 4x AA which is kind of insane requirements.  And that's with the strongest card on the market, with anything near what's actually in the PS4/Xbone you probably could get the games to even run.

Now the question is whether the new engines are just so high tech, that PC is getting dated very quickly, or if the above games were just rushed & un-optimized for PC.  Then the question is whether this is just going to get worse or better as the generation gets along.  Hmmm.

Otoh,

Alien Isolation
Shadows of Mordor

Run amazingly well and optimized on PCs.  So the jury is still out.


Next up is GTAV which could go either way since it's a big impressive world with a lot going on, plus GTAIV being terribly unoptimized on PCs, but if PS4/Xbone are running it pretty much 1080p/30fps locked maybe the PC version will be able to handle it nicely.

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« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2014, 08:46:45 PM »
The Evil Within ran really well, too, despite Bethesda hyping up those VRAM requirements.
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« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2014, 09:08:57 PM »
yeah, I'm upgrading to a 970 and most benchmarks I've seen are kinda underwhelming but we'll see.  game sizes are also going way, way up on PC.

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« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2014, 11:36:57 PM »
yeah, I'm upgrading to a 970 and most benchmarks I've seen are kinda underwhelming but we'll see.  game sizes are also going way, way up on PC.

Gotta take advantage of that Bluray, bro.

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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2014, 12:28:38 AM »
clowns, wait for dx12/mantle-optimized games. dx11 doesn't have efficient asymmetric gpu mp or performant deferred rendering. dx12 and mantle are LITERALLY console-style low level graphics apis -- with dx12, yer runnin' xbone's exclusive mode apis on vastly superior hardware.
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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2014, 12:31:46 AM »
pc masters, just relax and don't do it, you'll be blowin' 4k, 60 fps gooey graphics loads in down-rez console rectums by mid-'15
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 11:16:01 PM by Van Cruncheon »
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« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2014, 12:43:03 AM »
Why did I think the 980 is dx12 compatible when it really isn't? ??? Swear I read that somewhere.
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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2014, 12:53:33 AM »
Last gen I was a console dirtperson for at least the first year or two of the cycle then transitioned to PC when the console hardware started to become severely outdated. Seems like I'll be doing the same this go -around as well.
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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2014, 01:53:47 AM »
Why did I think the 980 is dx12 compatible when it really isn't? ??? Swear I read that somewhere.

It is compatible as far as I know. DX12 just hasn't been released yet.