NCAAM 16-17

[Phoenix Dark]

[dkdk]

think i'm gonna need a sick day tomorrow. office full of annoying cac duke fans. 

[Phoenix Dark]

Still, my hat goes off to Wisconsin for running a clean program and not stuffing cash in handler's pockets.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Still, my hat goes off to Wisconsin for running a clean program and not stuffing cash in handler's pockets.

Agreed.

I don't think Kaminsky is going to be a great pro but he was a hell of a college player.

[ToxicAdam]

Still, my hat goes off to Wisconsin for running a clean program and not stuffing cash in handler's pockets.

You don't know that to be 100% true.

[Phoenix Dark]

Still, my hat goes off to Wisconsin for running a clean program and not stuffing cash in handler's pockets.

You don't know that to be 100% true.

We definitely know that's how Duke gets top tier players, including how they got Okafor over MSU. I'm not aware of Big Ten teams that run questionable programs in regards to handlers. A lot of Wisconsin's best players were from inside the state, including their Mr. Basketball. Not saying Duke is as bad as Kentucky but let's be real, they cheat in recruiting too.

[ToxicAdam]

I'm just saying we don't know shit until well after the fact. No one thought of Syracuse or NC as dirty programs and yet they were doing dirty shit also. My opinion is that all programs are suspect.

[Phoenix Dark]

To be fair how do you think they bagged Carmelo Anthony over bigger programs? How did NC put together arguably the best college team in recent memory a few years ago.

My problem is that Michigan got popped for this in the 90s yet it's far more prominent today, and the NCAA doesn't do shit because it would topple elite programs.

Same reason Alabama will probably never get popped in football. Dunno if you followed signing day this year but multiple SEC players got on twitter showing their new cash off...yet no investigations. Come on.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I'm just saying we don't know shit until well after the fact. No one thought of Syracuse or NC as dirty programs and yet they were doing dirty shit also. My opinion is that all programs are suspect.

Huh? Everybody knew the Cuse was dirty since I was playing ball back in the 90's, come on man.

NC? LOL been dirty for 30 years.

Little know fact, Syracuse was in contention for 2 of the fab 5 (wont name names) until Martin dipped into his pockets (and Sam Zells)

[dkdk]

Still, my hat goes off to Wisconsin for running a clean program and not stuffing cash in handler's pockets.

they cutting checks too. their pockets just arent as deep as the blue bloods.

[Human Snorenado]

This whole conversation just goes to show that trying to hold one program up as clean is pointless- they're all doing it to one extent or another. If you don't believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.  This is why people who try to claim college sports are somehow "more pure" than the pros and that "it's just kids out there, having fun!" are full of shit. GTFO with that nonsense. Shit is a business, you're just crying because Kentucky does business better than most or all.

[Phoenix Dark]

Bo Ryan isn't cutting checks. Neither is Tom Izzo. Let's be real. Do they offer perks that probably aren't legal, like giving a kid a ride in an expensive car or "gifting" a PS4? Yea, sure. But that's quite different than literally stuffing thousands of dollars into a handler's bag.

Izzo has been very open about that shit. Which isn't surprising considering he lost due to players to Duke due to not playing the game. Jabari Parker and Okafor...

[jakefromstatefarm]

season starts Friday

top 25

1 North Carolina (35) 1,566
2 Kentucky (10) 1,520
3 Maryland (14) 1,487
4 Kansas (5) 1,410
5 Duke 1,350
6 Virginia (1) 1,347
7 Iowa State 1,185
8 Oklahoma 1,088
9 Gonzaga 1,047
10 Wichita State 1,032
11 Villanova 1,013
12 Arizona 917
13 Michigan State 838
14 California 757
15 Indiana 755
16 Utah 499
17 Wisconsin 433
18 Vanderbilt 393
19 Notre Dame 360
20 Connecticut 307
21 LSU 268
22 Baylor 265
23 Purdue 236
24 Butler 223
25 Michigan 126

1    Kentucky    38-1    749    11
1    North Carolina    26-12    749    12
3    Maryland    28-7    723    5
4    Duke    35-4    686    3
5    Kansas    27-9    675    1
6    Virginia    30-4    667
7    Iowa St.    25-9    541
8    Oklahoma    24-11    520
9    Villanova    33-3    498
10    Arizona    34-4    477
11    Gonzaga    35-3    468
12    Wichita St.    30-5    461
13    Michigan St    27-12    386
14    California    18-15    350    
15    Indiana    20-14    312
16    Utah    26-9    250
17    Wisconsin    36-4    181
18    Notre Dame    32-6    172
19    Louisiana State    22-11    163
20    Vanderbilt    21-14    153
21    Baylor    24-10    145
22    Butler    23-11    132
23    West Virginia    25-10    125
24    Connecticut    20-15    110
24    Purdue    21-13    110

Others Recieving Votes: Michigan 108; Louisville 93; Texas A&M 58; The Alfords 48; Georgetown 45; Cincinnati 43; North Carolina State 36; Oregon 33; Texas 29; Xavier 25; Florida State 25; Miami (Fla.) 11; San Diego State 10; Iowa 8; Davidson 5; Boise State 5; Providence 5; Stephen F. Austin 2; Belmont 2; Ohio State 2; Tulsa 1; Dayton 1; Old Dominion 1; Marquette 1.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Don't know why Michigan is ranked so high when the entire teen is full of tweener ballhogs.

[jakefromstatefarm]

ASU just lost to Sacramento state in their home opener and Bobby hurleys debut

[Phoenix Dark]

Bill Walton is truly a national treasure

tuned into the Texas v Washington game and dude was wilin' as usual.

[jakefromstatefarm]

So this is still a thing.

No great teams this year. Buddy Hield is a pretty good shooter.

Lot of teams lost this week, should see some shuffling in the polls tomorrow.

[Phoenix Dark]

Man the MSU hatred is strong around here. Are they as good as they seemed at the beginning of the season? Of course not. But they're still a good team. Was talking to some haters at work who were saying MSU barely beat Indiana. I watched the game last night...they won by like 20 

Then I noticed it's a sports radio talking point right now, which must be where they got it. scust...

Looking forward to Duke v NC.

[benjipwns]

It's the same old Izzo offense where it goes through stretches where it's god awful and the players move a few feet back and forth. Valentine looking for assists to pad his stats, so setting up pick and rolls, sometimes is the only thing that yanks them out of the funk. Plus playing guys who don't do anything but hustle. Or Seniors because they're Seniors.

Deyonta Davis is far and away the teams best player. There's no way he's the 240lb he's listed at though. Maybe 204.

[T234]

We aren't as good as last year, but Tyler Ulis is a beast. Muggsy Bogues 2.0.

[jakefromstatefarm]

I was just looking at kenpom and the Spartans are like 3rd in offense, far and away the best "offensive" team in the top 10. If anything this seasons reminded me of how stupid a benchmark rpi is.

New coaches poll:

1   Villanova   22-3
2   Kansas   21-4
3   Oklahoma   20-4
4   North Carolina   21-4
5   Maryland   22-4
6   Iowa   20-5
7   Xavier   22-3
8   Virginia   20-5
9   Michigan St   21-5
10   Miami-Florida   20-4
11   West Virginia   20-5
12   Arizona   21-5
13   Dayton   21-3
14   Kentucky   19-6
15   Iowa St.   18-7
16   Purdue   20-6
17   Oregon   20-6
18   Notre Dame   18-7
19   Duke   19-6
20   Providence   19-7
21   Indiana   20-6
22   Baylor   18-7
23   South Carolina   21-4
24   Texas A&M   18-7
25   Texas   16-9

e: AP poll:

1   Villanova
2   Kansas   
3   Oklahoma   
4   Iowa   
5   North Carolina   
6   Maryland   
7   Virginia   
8   Xavier   
8   Michigan State   
10   West Virginia   
11   Miami (FL)   
12   Arizona   
13   Iowa State   
14   Kentucky   
15   Dayton   
16   Oregon   
17   Purdue
18   Louisville
19   Notre Dame   
20   Duke   
21   SMU   
22   Indiana   
23   Providence   
24   Texas   
25   Baylor

[jakefromstatefarm]

Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, the pac 12 is a dumpster fire, oregon and arizona are still the best two teams and Steve Alford is still human garbage.

[Phoenix Dark]

Good to see Texas playing well for Shaka. #BlackExcellence

[jakefromstatefarm]

welp, there goes Izzo

[Huff]

So glad I didn't any money on brackets this year

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm finished


MSU

[Phoenix Dark]

Duke lost, free daps to all


fuck Grayson Allen

[jakefromstatefarm]

This duke team fucking sucked balls. Ingrams a great athlete but I'm not particularly impressed by him, don't know why he's projected over Simmons in some mocks

[jakefromstatefarm]

early exit for Self again, but no shame in losing to this Villanova team. Syracuse and Dotre Name are gonna get curb stomped tomorrow. I'm rooting for Oklahoma, Hield is a legit elite shooter (no shit, jake) who is going to make an immediate impact at the next level (no shit, jake). Easily the most polished offensive game out of this year's crop.

[Phoenix Dark]

Is an elite 8 berth really an early exit for Self? Honestly I thought they'd go out earlier.

What a year for broken tropes. I expected MSU to go far (as always) and Nova to choke (as always).

[Phoenix Dark]

Notre Dame lost, free daps for all

[dkdk]

Is an elite 8 berth really an early exit for Self? Honestly I thought they'd go out earlier.

What a year for broken tropes. I expected MSU to go far (as always) and Nova to choke (as always).

you can make of it what you will
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199374304&postcount=2316

i personally think it is.

[jakefromstatefarm]

They were preseason top 4 with national title aspirations and the number 1 overall seed in the tournament. It's a disappointing early exit

[jakefromstatefarm]

welp, there goes Roy

[Brehvolution]

It's a little weird seeing Villanova win. They usually have the last shot go in against them.

[Human Snorenado]

So many crying Jordans...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/villanova-s-title-win-over-north-carolina-takes-crying-jordans-to-a-new-level-035527260.html

[T234]

[Am_I_Anonymous]

All them fake classes at UNC and they still got a pressure baked L. Good for them.

[jakefromstatefarm]

Season started last week.

Duke-Kansas and Kentucky-MSU tonight.

Teams should be better this year

[TakingBackSunday]

Duke