What are your ardently held controversial opinions on music?

[Rufus]

The harp sounds so nice though.

[Human Snorenado]

Beethoven > Mozart all day erryday for me. Most people tend to remember him for the 9th and 5th symphonies but I'd put the 7th right up there, and his concertos (esp. piano) are top notch. Dude was a genius but not as much as...

Bach. Who was probably an alien from a highly advanced future society that came to earth to advance music. That's literally a plausible explanation.

[Human Snorenado]

Also, Frank Zappa is a musical genius and in 200 years will be viewed as one of the greatest humans of the 20th century.

[jakefromstatefarm]

prompt: was Bach the swagginest composer of the Baroque period?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Musical_Offering

[I'm a Puppy!]

Beethoven > Mozart all day erryday for me. Most people tend to remember him for the 9th and 5th symphonies but I'd put the 7th right up there, and his concertos (esp. piano) are top notch. Dude was a genius but not as much as...

Bach. Who was probably an alien from a highly advanced future society that came to earth to advance music. That's literally a plausible explanation.

I don't think anyone has ever mastered the intricacies of music like Bach did. Though Beethoven stabs at your soul with music.
BTW, never saw the love for the 7th. It's good, just not great. But the late quartets man, you should listen to those. Damn stuff will change your life.

[nudemacusers]

The W is Wu's best album.

Worse post in this thread, next to the jazz hate.

minimal odb presence, abstract start-stop song structure. dat gza freestyle that just pops in at the end of conditioner.

[Human Snorenado]

That 2nd movement tho

[Steve Contra]

The amount of stuff I'd rather listen to than the Beatles is pretty staggering.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The amount of stuff I'd rather listen to than the Beatles is pretty staggering.

I'm with you on that one man. Add Led Zepplin and Pink Floyd to that shit too. All garbage tier rock.

[Steve Contra]

Not too controversial (except for fans of dad rock), but James Brown is the best thing in music in the past 100 years or so, by a lot.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Steve Contra has the worst taste on this board, about a great many things, and it isn't even close.

Add Led Zepplin and Pink Floyd to that shit too. All garbage tier rock.

Well I guess it is close. If you weren't a former NFL player I would hunt you down as well. 

I didn't grow up with that shit. I grew up with James Brown, Sly and the Family Stone, Barry White, etc.

[Steve Contra]

Steve Contra has the worst taste on this board, about a great many things, and it isn't even close.

Add Led Zepplin and Pink Floyd to that shit too. All garbage tier rock.

Well I guess it is close. If you weren't a former NFL player I would hunt you down as well. 

I didn't grow up with that shit. I grew up with James Brown, Sly and the Family Stone, Barry White, etc.

[Trent Dole]

-M83 sucks

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Forgot moms side

Aretha Franklin, anything Motown, etc.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Motown

Smokey Robinson "Tears of a Clown"






**Is the only Smokey that matters on this board.

[Steve Contra]

Back when you get on the radio by actually being a good singer

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Back when you get on the radio by actually being a good singer

[Human Snorenado]

Sam Cooke tho

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I see you sam cooke and raise you Otis Redding

[Human Snorenado]

Well, there's this guy.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

ANd this one

[Steve Contra]

At least white people got David Bowie I guess

[Am_I_Anonymous]

At least white people got David Bowie I guess

Nah, you guys got 1/2 of Michael Jackson too.

[Human Snorenado]

At least white people got David Bowie I guess

White people also have Van Morrison tho

[Steve Contra]

At least white people got David Bowie I guess

Nah, you guys got 1/2 of Michael Jackson too.

Only after courting him for a few years.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

And Elvis

 

[Human Snorenado]

...can we not have Elvis?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

...can we not have Elvis?

We don't want him, we have Chuck Berry.

[El Babua]

Motown

Beatles are the best though - I don't think their run with Rubber Soul through Abbey Road will ever be topped. Led Zeppelin is good, though I think all their albums are marred by 2 or 3 bad tracks, except maybe Houses of the Holy. Floyd is great, provided it's pre Wall.

[nudemacusers]

on the topic of niche techno, as much as it pains me to say, most/all of tigerbeat6's artist lineup was mad overrated in the early 00s. does anyone care about blechdom anything or cex now? lolno.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

on the topic of niche techno, as much as it pains me to say, most/all of tigerbeat6's artist lineup was mad overrated in the early 00s. does anyone care about blechdom anything or cex now? lolno.

We got you beat there too breh....

Booty House >>>>>>>>>>>>> Techno

[nudemacusers]

chromeo is the whitest electronic music of all time

even whiter than whatever kompakt and m-nus are shitting out now

[El Babua]

Led Zeppelin is good, though I think all their albums are marred by 2 or 3 bad tracks, except maybe Houses of the Holy. Floyd is great, provided it's pre Wall.

With III I definitely agree with you.

IV has Four Sticks, which was a good idea in execution and has that really good middle section, but doesn't quite come together as a full song.

Physical Graffiti has most of the back half of Disc 2.

With II, I think it depends on how you feel about Thank You and Living Loving Maid. I personally love both tracks, although I could do without Thank You's chorus. Tbh, I only really like that song because of the acoustic guitar solo and the keyboard work.

II is their most consistent album second to Houses IMO. Thank You isn't a bad track, just a little meandering. I like parts of Moby Dick and Bring it on Home, but it's rare for me to play both songs unless I leave the album playing after Ramble On, sorry Bonzo

[Steve Contra]

It ain't really controversial to say you don't like the Beatles though, they're so universally played and present in real life that all they get is backlash on the internet, they won too much

A controversial opinion here would be to say Radiohead is an average band, or that Daft Punk arent anything special.

I'm not saying The Beatles are bad, just there's a lot better out there.  No matter how many times I qualify this Glen Shinobi still gets mad though

[nudemacusers]

be adults and argue about your dad's music brehs

[Pickles the Firecat]

Time will reveal squarepusher and flylo to be overrated, just like it did venetian snares

Time definitely won't treat FlyLo well. Cosmogramma --> UTQC --> You're Dead! is a super self-indulgent run of music that:

1. Doesn't fit within the dominate themes of his contemporaries
2. Doesn't match the talent and advancements of (some of) his contemporaries, both locally and globally
3. Is super, super, super smart-dumb pretentious in theory and execution
4. Probably sucks if you aren't into playfully inexplicable jazz motifs
5. Saw a bunch of his "disciples" (for lack of better term) pass him as a musician in many ways
6. Despite the personal growth he's shown, was/is super stagnant in terms of his growth as a musician

I say this as a huge fan of the guy and those albums individually. I love self-indulgent music, I love the frame of mind he comes with, I love his live work. I'm definitely part of the super, super, super smart-dumb pretentious music theory and execution club. It's just not material that will hold up well to critical thought over time. Dude is in for a complete Arcade Fire treatment. Cosmogramma might escape judgment, but in critical circles UTQC is going to be looked back on in the same light as Neon Bible (incredibly overwrought, not worth returning to) and You're Dead! is probably headed for Reflektor treatment ("cool! ...wait, why?"). Tho I doubt people will go back and question Los Angeles, 1983, and his live material the way dudes (rightfully) reassessed Funeral and The Suburbs. But the more and more mainstream attention he gets, the closer and closer that backlash wave gets. You can feel people getting ready to turn on him because their lame cousin from the suburbs is bumping Dead Man's Tetris and went to see FlyLo at (insert local festival here).

At the same time dude could really reinvigorate himself and kick off the second half of a successful, innovative career with this Captain Murphy record if he fully commits himself to it.

I guess one of my controversial opinions is that Arcade Fire, in retrospect, are fucking ultra corny faux intellectual melodramatic shlock that appeals to people who want their cradle to grave middle management lifestyle to feel important. RE: every thought Win Butler has ever had: who fucking cares

[Pickles the Firecat]

Regardless of being the new (old?) buzz kid, PC music is a legitimately dope label/movement and their aesthetic really pushes some cool thoughts with regard to layering, percussion, and spatial composition. Also GFOTY, Sophie, A.G. Cook, et all are just fun as heck.

[nudemacusers]

chromeo is the whitest electronic music of all time

Nope.

Cant outwhite ambient side projects from black metal bands, or drone. The latter usually  has no beats. Just vwoooooooooooom

i dunno i think blvck metal drone has some brown crossover appeal*, while only suburban college cacs are into chromeo, either ironically or sincerely.

*be not white and into the works of burzum brehs

[Pickles the Firecat]

If you haven't formed an opinion on a record in over a year since its release, I'd say you formed an opinion of it.

 

[Dickie Dee]

For me it's Suburbs > NeonBible> Funeral then probably Reflektor. Still really liked Reflektor but I don't find myself going back to it very much.

[Human Snorenado]

Also, Funeral and The Suburbs are fucking amazing.

Not a huge fan of Neon Bible with the exception of No Cars Go (which is one of my favorite songs ever). Reflektor... still haven't formed an opinion on it.

My Body is a Cage, Keep the Car Running and Antichrist Television Blues are all awesome songs. Album as a whole is just kinda "there" but those songs are great.

[TakingBackSunday]

if someone shits on the beach boys here I swear to christ

[Himu]

Classical music isn't that great. The classical station here is the worst radio station and it replaced the badass KTRU which would play Afro beat and reggae on Saturdays.

Fuck classical outside of composers like Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart;etc I can fuck with some modern classical like Philip Glass, but it's really not my genre and I'd just rather listen to jazz or electronic.

[sarslip]

funeral > suburbs > reflektor > neon bible

[sarslip]

Discovery > Homework > Human After All > Tron Soundtrack > Random Yacht Memories

[Phoenix Dark]

CD>LR>Yeezus>MBDTF>>>Graduation>>>AIDS>>>Attack Of The Clones=808s and Heartbreaks

[Steve Contra]

It's an overproduced mess of an album.

[Himu]

Discovery > RAM > alive > homework > tron reconfigured > human after all > shit > tron soundtrack

[Human Snorenado]

Pretending Metallica has put out any listenable albums after And Justice For All

[Himu]

Black album is a great album with a lot of classics.

[jakefromstatefarm]

using "listenable" to describe AJFA... :stopitslime

[Himu]

Sure but it has great songs. Who cares.

[Phoenix Dark]

using "listenable" to describe AJFA... :stopitslime

[jakefromstatefarm]

TBA is half garbage half Ur-Nickelback post rock

if you accept that the Metallica you grew up with is no longer a viable expectation, their albums become decent, saccharine, safe hard rock radio fodder, and there's nothing wrong w/ that

you can scrap a pretty decent album out of the best tracks from Load/Reload

[Himu]

Sure but it has great songs. Who cares.

I didn't say Load was better. I said it was a more consistent album.

I read it wrong lol

[jakefromstatefarm]

I mean listenable as in "easy to listen to," not derogatorily; AJFA is by far and away their densest release. fwiw, Frayed Ends is my fave track on the album and one of my favorite Metallica tracks period

[jakefromstatefarm]

I kinda don't hate St. Anger's title track :avbehh

Frantic's lame but in a funny way so that gets the :mannyshrug from me

Some Kind of Monster has a riff that gets submarined by the AWFUL FUCKING guitar that gets super-imposed on the track for no goddamn reason at all and sounds like nails on a fucking chalkboard

that album gets shat on, deservedly, for a bevy of reasons. The biggest culprit imo is the production as a whole, some serious :mindfuck shit got greenlit on that record

[jakefromstatefarm]

KEA >>> Lightning > MOP >>> AJFA >>>>>>>>>> Garage Inc. >>>>>> Load/Reload

outside of that, ID really C

I enjoy the title track and Some Kind Of Monster on some guilty pleasure steez. But Frantic

this is pretty much exactly where I stand too, but my friends and I had so much fun yelling FRAN TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TOCK in high school that I'm indifferent towards it these days

[jakefromstatefarm]

It's metal's puberty. The coalescing of an identity against the backdrop of the more commercially oriented glam scene. Tape trading culture. Nascent Genre wars. The birth of the extreme scene and the subsequent backlash by moral guardians all played roles as the genre's symbols, rhetoric and identity were taking shape.

[jakefromstatefarm]

Anthrax being the WOAT is maybe the only opinion in metal that doesn't spark heated nigel debate

they were super media friendly and were signed to Island during thrash's heyday, someone's gotta do some digging into the label politics that went on

I enjoy all 3 Unforgiven's