What are your ardently held controversial opinions on music?

[jakefromstatefarm]

Sad But True and Wherever I May Roam are some killer tracks though. Up there with anything they've done.

I forgot to address this, Sad But True is exactly what I mean when I say Ur-Nickelback. shit is by the numbers downtuned riffage wank that has no purpose outside of inducing cockrock impulses. From a Pantera stanley, that shit is garbage

[jakefromstatefarm]

Hellhammer makes me

Blood Fire Death >>>>

[jakefromstatefarm]

Nickelback covered Sad But True [sic]

this is another thing, Metlicca is the benchmark for accessibility vs integrity in the rock music industry and their level of subliminal osmosis in caculture is staggering. Fucking Billy Joel riffs Master of Puppets from time to time in live sets

[Pickles the Firecat]

Metal plug definitely needs to be revisited. There's so little overlap with metal and most of the plug regulars that almost everything (literally everything in my case) is a first time experience. Think people really dig that.

[jakefromstatefarm]

Oh look, it's me, jake and Esch sperging about metal again.

Well, since you mentioned it:

Southern Trendkill (the album) is Dime's best guitarwork

I find Sabbath's production quality an insurmountable obstacle when going through their discog, Tony Iommi is a legend

The Mechanix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Four Horseman; if these tracks flipped albums, KEA would be top 5 metal records DOA

it's impossible to not like at least ONE Maiden song. The uncompromising commitment to their aesthetic, unparalleled consistency within their industry, super accessible, crazy commercial penetration and they're still incredibly highly revered inside of their genre. British Outkast.

Varg didn't do it

Alexi Laiho 's vocals sound like Timmy from South Park

Core scene is WAY gayer than the nu-metal scene ever was

Lamb of God is my generation's gateway drug to extreme metal

[jakefromstatefarm]

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.last.fm/group/Anti+Manowar/forum/105814/_/521566

esch annihilated

[Himu]

Megadeth > Slayer > metallica > anthrax

[Phoenix Dark]

Any music with cookie monster vocals is trash.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Ringo was a better Beatle than Paul or John. that's right.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Classical music isn't that great. The classical station here is the worst radio station and it replaced the badass KTRU which would play Afro beat and reggae on Saturdays.

Fuck classical outside of composers like Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart;etc I can fuck with some modern classical like Philip Glass, but it's really not my genre and I'd just rather listen to jazz or electronic.

Give piazzolla a whirl you'll probably like it

[jakefromstatefarm]

he's kinda like Zakk Wylde in that he's a great guitarist with a pretty shit aesthetic direction. CoB (and Melo-Death in general) is kinda EDMy, if that makes sense

Needled 24/7 riff gets me like

[jakefromstatefarm]

EXACTLY like Amon Amarth. God that fucking band is the litmus test for neckbeardedness. everything post Golden Hall is Avicii with tremolo picking

[fistfulofmetal]

amon amarth is a better band now than they were when they started.

[jakefromstatefarm]

How can you like Celtic Frost, and not like Hellhammer?

I just conflated Hellhammer and Hammerheart

Nile? (Image removed from quote.)

I'm so glad you brought this up

brehs:

it's this shit that's lost in translation in plug

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RE: I like the idea of Nile

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[Trent Dole]

Most overrated metal artist of all time is Devin Townsend, and all Devin Townsend related things. If i had a nickel for every time some crusty ass barnacle recommended me this bullshit


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Yeah, but he made this...

[jakefromstatefarm]

Everything about Nile feels like a classic band: exotic/ancient mythophilia, obsessive dedication to the aesthetic, aloof/level-headed face of the band who has a decent grasp on how to manage a career. And yet, all their material -which there's a fuckton of- is pretty middling, like modern Deicide tier. Which sucks because I want to like Nile.

that one's def one of the GOATs. it also conveys how charismatic Lemay is, he'll hand the conversation to Steve, who'll fumble around for a minute and then he'll be like "ok, let me just co-opt your thought real quick....LANGUAGE OF MUSIC"

[I'm a Puppy!]

I can't believe I forgot these. These are actual opinions that I actually got in trouble for by my professors when I was at college:

- Most people play Bach's partitas and Suites for solo instruments wrong. They either play them too clinically or too much in the romantic vein. Fact is, the movements for those partitas and suites are based on dances, some of them even based on latin american dances, so they should be played much more rhythmically than most performers do it.

- Tchaikovsky was gay and likely committed suicide

- Handel's greatest achievement was in self-promotion and marketing. In that hundreds of years after his death many people mention him in the same breath as Bach. Handel's no slouch but this fact is astounding to me.

[jakefromstatefarm]

To Mega Therion :blessed

top 5 covers all time

Edit: Holy Wars

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Metal is trash music

 

[Brehvolution]

Metal is trash music

 

[jakefromstatefarm]

imo, I don't see the hate that The Black Angels get on the interwebs. Over the past 20 years, there's been a movement/revival of Stoner/Psychedelic/Doom that I lump together because they all kinda run along a spectrum. I'm thinking Clutch, Orange Goblin, QotSA, Electric Wizard, Kyuss, Sleep. They all exhibit the same stripped down methodology that some people see as formulaic, and I don't necessarily disagree w/ that. It's harmless and it goes, that's really all I could ask for.

[tiesto]

chromeo is the whitest electronic music of all time

even whiter than whatever kompakt and m-nus are shitting out now

Hawtin's too busy throwing speakers on people to produce anything anyways.

[nudemacusers]

surprising upper body strength.

[Stoney Mason]

Haven't read any of this thread but I'll just toss this out there. Whenever I meet somebody and they aggressively sort of have an anti-beatles agenda instead of just maybe not liking them or preferring some other band of that era I think they are a moron. This amps up if that person is under the age of 25.

Not saying its fair or reasonable. Just saying its how I feel.

[toku]

Alexi Laiho 's vocals sound like Timmy from South Park

controvershul: I think him and Children of Bodom are a bit overhated on. yeah it's corny, but if you can honest to goodness listen to folk metal like Ensiferum just for some crunchy riffs, this is pretty much the same thing with some fun guitar work. I decided to randomly fire up Follow the Reaper and it wasn't as 'bad' as I remember. It's basically video game music sensu melodic death metal with some power metal thrown in. totally harmless.

LAte but one thing I've always respected and I think a lot of hard metal heads did too about Children of Bodom is just as much as we think they're kinda silly and corny they do too. They're very self aware in a way a lot of metal bands aren't.

/2cents

feel like i shout add a note that I haven't really heard/listened to any CoB stuff post like 2008 so idk how they are now. Post high school I listen to way more rap than I do punk/folk and metal

[jakefromstatefarm]

Never got the concept of "stoner metal."

it's really just heavy blues riffing and atmosphere

[toku]

I just love double bass kick

[toku]

When weeded I tend to go for saccharine shit more than usual.

[jakefromstatefarm]

plus, it's kind of a nebulous term given that all of the bands in the above post can be called stoner yet a lot of their material sounds nothing alike

you might fux w/ the more southern influenced stuff like Corrosion of Conformity or early Zakk Wylde/Black Label Society

[jakefromstatefarm]

Sleep, Electric Wizard, Sabbath (obv), Mercyful Fate (maybe, never listened to them but their p. seminal), stay away from the droney stuff

there's a lot of doom-fusion stuff too, which is par for the course as far as metal subgenres go

[toku]

Thoughts on Doom metal in general? Which bands are best? Some recommendations I've seen are Candlemass, Pagan Altar, St Vitus, and My Dying Bride. Are those good places to start?

High on Fire's Blessed Black Wings and Surrounded by Thieves





I have more more recent shit but my metal playlist is fucked up and oudated right now and I've been to lazy to go into my music folder to reorganize so

[Phoenix Dark]

Neon Bible is a good album that receives far too hate. It's not as good as Funeral but has so many good to great songs, I really don't understand why some people treat it like the worst sophomore slump ever. Plus it has quite a barn burning outro song.

[Pickles the Firecat]

Win Butler's lyrics and vocals on Neon Bible are straight out of a high school production of Phantom of the Opera. It's so over the top melodramatic in writing and performance. Instrumentation is similarly overwrought.

Neon Bible reminds me of people who think videogame music is amazing because it's so aggressively, bombastically emotional. Shit is cheesy. Funeral, at its best, sits right below the threshold of too melodramatic and The Suburbs is comfortably under it.

[Pickles the Firecat]

OTOH I think iLoveMakonnen, Riff Raff, and Yung Lean are legitimately dope artists so I'm probably not the best resource for credibility RE: dudes vocal approaches and lyrical ability

[T234]

Bob Dylan stole (and became rich off of) Folk Music the same way that Elvis Presley stole Black Music, and I strongly hate him for it.

The Beatles made 3 good songs and the rest was dogshit.

Buddy Guy is the best guitar player that ever lived.

Freddie Gibbs + Madlib's "Cocaine Pinata" is Rap Album Of The Decade so far.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Buddy guy best guitarist ever

[Madrun Badrun]

Christmas music isn't that bad.
It's just that the good stuff (like Coventry Carol, Gabriel's message, etc) never gets much play.

There are exactly 3 Christmas related things worth listening to: the Peanuts holiday album, Fairy Tale of New York from the Pogues and Kirsty MacColl, and Rufus Wainwright's Spotlight on Christmas. Everything else is rubbish.

[Phoenix Dark]

Pretending like Buddy Guy isn't in the conversation would be a sucker move. Dude was and still is a god.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Hey man Third Eye Blind is just as good as Sublime
 

[T234]

Buddy guy best guitarist ever

Who do you think is better? 100% serious.

As a reminder, Jimi Hendrix cancelled shows to see Buddy Guy play during his first tour of England.

[TakingBackSunday]

Hey man Third Eye Blind is just as good as Sublime
 

Semi-charmed Kinda Life is actually a great fucking song

[I'm a Puppy!]

Jimi might have gone to see Buddy, but Bach walked 120 miles to see Buxtehude and Mozart would cancel events to see Haydn yet no one would say that Buxtehude was better than Bach or that Haydn better than Mozart.

And yeah, Jimi was better. Barrios was better. The Assads are better. But if you're looking for just rock Jimi and Randy are better.

[Freyj]

Hey man Third Eye Blind is just as good as Sublime
 

Semi-charmed Kinda Life is actually a great fucking song

Self-titled and Blue are both great albums (Slow Motion  ).

After that it's all shit.

[T234]

Jimi is a better singer than Buddy, but as a Guitar Player?

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[I'm a Puppy!]

Jimi is a better singer than Buddy, but as a Guitar Player?

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Buddy doesn't have anything out there as imaginative as Machine Gun.
You gonna say otherwise?
 

[T234]

Jimi never had anything as raw as this





I also don't think you realize how close of friends the two of them became. They both took turns calling each other the best guitar player they had ever seen. When Jimi died, Buddy was deeply affected.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Jimi never had anything as raw as this





I also don't think you realize how close of friends the two of them became. They both took turns calling each other the best guitar player they had ever seen. When Jimi died, Buddy was deeply affected.

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Buddy took what was already there and did it better.  Jimi created a.whole new horizon.

And Mozart once said Haydn was the best composer of his tome.  But no one really believes that.

Also, walrus,  wtf?

[Brehvolution]

Mark Tremonti is the reason Creed was popular. Stapp did his best to ruin it.

[Human Snorenado]

ITT, musicians continually mistaking technical prowess of musicians with the overall quality of the output of the bands they happen to be in.

Seriously. Creed was shitty 90's butt rock. The end.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I think you mean "musicians"

[jakefromstatefarm]

nu-metal: a reevaluation

Korn:
Coal Chamber:
Slipknot:
Godsmack:
Disturbed:
Linkin Park:
Papa Roach:
Limp Bizkit:

[milchs evil twin]

Beyonce hasn't had a single decent song since the end of Destiny's Child.

[jakefromstatefarm]

Papa Roach got big off of a riff that was literally a dumbed-down version of Hallowed Be Thy Name.

easily the most derivative one-hit wonder to come out of that scene. they weren't important to their genre like the other bands listed; I wanted to post a Lil B "Game, you irrelevant" smiley but I couldn't find one

[milchs evil twin]

I can still listen to Godsmack every now and then. They're alright.

[Pickles the Firecat]

Linkin Park is the definition of 

There was some real talent behind Hybrid Theory, I still listen to that record a lot. I chalked it up to nostalgia for a long time but nah, it just has some really strong elements to it.

[jakefromstatefarm]

I can still listen to Godsmack every now and then. They're alright.

hence the Ahmadinejad

Godsmack is really seminal when it comes to nu-metal and in a sense estranged from the rest of the genre. They really don't fit the #screamandcryaboutyourmiddleamericanfamily tip that everyone else was on. Their sound is essentially post-grunge Nickelback but only built for hard rock radio, no crossover appeal; iirc, they have a hint of industrial in their earlier stuff but again, no turntables so they really don't fit typical nu-metal genre conventions.

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There was some real talent behind Hybrid Theory, I still listen to that record a lot. I chalked it up to nostalgia for a long time but nah, it just has some really strong elements to it.

and I'm so uncomfortable admitting it. When it comes down to it, their first two are solid pop-rock albums, period.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nu metal was a way for record companies to hedge their bets: part emo (before emo existed), part grunge, part hard rock, and part rap.  They knew in the venn diagram of those genres that there would be an overlap of a few million people who would be interested.  It was basically marketed to be the anti-girl and boy band pop, even though it was often the same label (or same owners). 

[jakefromstatefarm]

sohh, critique being they were formulaic and had immature lyrical content. that's pretty par for the course when you're talking rock that's intended to get radio play. You don't fuck with them, and that's straight; I don't particularly fuck with them -and I don't want to put words in Pickles' mouth ( )- but I acknowledge that some of their material was effective at what it tried to do.

Deftones were garbage

[Pickles the Firecat]

Every Linkin Park song:

Piano melody > "heavy" rock out > Chester what's his face sings a verse > Chorus made to be annoyingly catchy > rap verse > chorus again > half song/half rap verse, can also be a back and forth > chorus > "heavy" rock out again > piano melody plays as the song ends the same way it began.

Add in "my mom doesn't give me what I want" lyrics, and you have a Linkin Park song. Yeah, strong elements 

 

None of that excludes them from having something dope about their music. as jake said, it's catchy pop-rock with a pretty talented turntablist and infinity nostalgia points for anyone in currently in their twenties. Also made gorgeous soundscapes tbh, as a band working together toward a shared vision Hybrid Theory was ultra on point. Maybe that was their production writing for them, idk, it's still dope.