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Himu

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Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« on: January 19, 2015, 12:19:01 PM »
I am convinced meds like that are evil and fucked. I for one am not a fan of the for profit pharma industry in America, but people tell me I needed anti-dep's like it's some cure all.

I DUNNO.

Convince me these are not inherently dangerous and destructive.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2015, 12:20:52 PM »
Everyone's brain chemistry is different. So, you have to find out for yourself if you are receptive to their benefits.


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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2015, 12:21:32 PM »
tell us why you want the med first. what's going on? let it out.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2015, 12:21:37 PM »
Does it really hurt to try em for 2 months to see if you get any benefit? That's not enough time that you'd go through any crazy withdrawal. My concern with you would be hormone-related stuff.

The cost for you would be really cheap. Most of anything you'd get prescribed would be like under 10 bucks a month at walmart.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 12:29:32 PM »
I dunno if you NEED them, but talking to a doctor never hurt anyone.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2015, 12:30:11 PM »
Yeah, you're seeing a therapist, right? Why not ask about them?
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Himu

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2015, 12:31:40 PM »
I've not started seeing the therapist yet.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2015, 12:42:53 PM »
Don't therapists mainly deal with talking about issues, while psychiatrists deal with prescribing the drugs to curb those issues?
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2015, 12:47:23 PM »
Generic meds like Citalopram cost around $4 a month.
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Himu

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2015, 12:52:28 PM »
I bet if I tried one I'd feel like shit.

When I was on ADD meds I felt like shit
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2015, 12:54:34 PM »
Don't therapists mainly deal with talking about issues, while psychiatrists deal with prescribing the drugs to curb those issues?
Most therapists refer you to a psychiatrist, but yeah what you're saying is correct.

I don't think it's something we can convince you Queen. You're bound to find a drug that works for you and doesn't make you feel like shit. There's also an initial period where the side effects will be more prevalent, but your body adapts. It affects everyone differently. If you can tell us why you think meds are the devil, maybe then we can convince you otherwise.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2015, 12:54:38 PM »
I bet if I tried one I'd feel like shit.

When I was on ADD meds I felt like shit

Are we supposed to convince you otherwise? I really dont understand
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Himu

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2015, 12:56:38 PM »
I have a resistance to drugs that are supposed to change your mood or change how you're thinking (ADD) because of that shit. Maybe I'm wrong about them, maybe my views are ignorant. I was suggested to get on anti-deps by multiple people. They say I need them because they will make me feel better and not be depressed all the time. I don't think I can take em even though this past weekend all I did was sleep when I wasn't working. Time to sleep from 2 to 5 for literally no reason!
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2015, 01:06:46 PM »
As you guys have seen in the past I've exhibited a lot of issues. I've always felt that I've had a harder time controlling things on my own when I'm on meds. So I learned to self identify what my triggers are and eventually decided to go through life drug free. I feel better most days because of that choice. When I was on drugs I was constantly out of it and had wider swings between depression and anger (diagnosed Bipolar 2.) It also was the reason I tried to commit suicide several times. It was so hard to get out of the fog of the meds. So I don't think meds were the answer for me. I started with some basic behavioral counseling and I've been pretty good since then. I have my bad days, but who doesn't. It's how I respond to them now that makes all the difference.

I'd suggest going to a counselor/psychologist and explain how you feel and express what your triggers are. Just by talking to them they might be able to help guide you a little and find a happy medium. I know it's hard though, but taking that first step is the only hard part. The rest that follows is easy, as long as you're always conscious of yourself.



 

Himu

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2015, 01:22:52 PM »
Don't therapists mainly deal with talking about issues, while psychiatrists deal with prescribing the drugs to curb those issues?
Most therapists refer you to a psychiatrist, but yeah what you're saying is correct.

I don't think it's something we can convince you Queen. You're bound to find a drug that works for you and doesn't make you feel like shit. There's also an initial period where the side effects will be more prevalent, but your body adapts. It affects everyone differently. If you can tell us why you think meds are the devil, maybe then we can convince you otherwise.

Was an A/B student when my 8th grade science teacher decided to tell my parents that she thinks I had adhd. I'm 14 years old and I'm told I have a "disorder" despite getting good grades and I was one of her best students.

So I get tested and I'm put on some medicine (a narcotic) that makes me feel like utter shit and like a robot.

They prescribe these medicines at a rapid pace without a care in the world for the patients self esteem, how it will affect them mentally, or even physically, or even if they truly have the disorder or disease described. So now you have commercial after commercial of "do you feel like shit and wish you could have feelings again? Try Cymbalta!" followed by a "if you or someone you've known Cymbalta and have received harm, call today to participate in a lawsuit!" commercial. It shows that the industry still casts a wide net of corruption that over prescribes, without a care for its effects on its patients.  What are the long term effects? Is this dangerous? Will this medicine dull my ability to fully experience the full girth of human emotion? Will it make me MORE suicidal?

Too many questions, very few answers. Lots of money, though!
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2015, 01:31:30 PM »
Your concerns are valid, but don't disregard the efficacy of medications as a modern treatment method for mental disorders. Mental health itself is still poorly understood, which is why there's a demand for funding and an effort to eliminate the stigma that permeated in the past. It's important to find a good physician that'll understand you and not run a pill mill like many do. In other words, one that'll still talk to you for good period of time with every session before giving you a script and sending you home. Drug experimentation is very common, as I've said, which is why you'll keep trying new drugs until you find the one that'll help you function with the least side effects.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2015, 01:44:34 PM »
It sounds like you don't really want or have faith in medications working for you. I wouldn't sweat it.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2015, 02:12:55 PM »
Don't take anti-depressants unless you have a gp you can see regularly and a therapist as well.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2015, 02:13:33 PM »
Sometimes depression is just the result of a constant battle against anxiety. In that case, you can't conquer depression until you figure out how to control your anxiety.

A trained therapist would be able to figure it out. Also, therapists are like barbers. Sometimes it takes a few different ones before you find the right one.






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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2015, 02:24:29 PM »
You could always come visit me and let Daddy give you an antidepressant.

I'd hold you to the floor and pour the remainder of my assorted pills down your throat and drown them down with the rest of one of the many half empty bottles of rum around my apartment. I'll say to you, "Remember how they say the best way to get over depression is to go to Africa and feel better about yourself by gawking at all the emaciated and diseased children? We're going to do something like that." We'll drive downtown. You'll be in the passenger seat with your hand grinding on my dick for most of the way. I tell you how hard I'm going to fuck you after this. We find a homeless woman pushing a baby. On foot, we chase her into an alley. She's weak and quickly overtaken. I tell you to kill her as I hold the baby. This is your first time, so it's a little clumsy. You have her on the ground and you're choking her, but your heart is barely into it. I'm not sure you have what it takes to get the job done, and I think I might have to do a little cleanup to fix your mess. I decide to handle the baby first. I bite into its gut and whip the baby around with my head, like a cat killing a bird its caught that is still trying to escape. After I get into some solid intestine, I drop the baby to the ground, leaving a sort of cord from my mouth to the rest of its somehow still living body. I get down on my knees and stick my thumbs into the baby's eyes and use the palms of my hands to crush its head. Somehow, you can still hear its cries for seconds afterward. I spit the remaining intestines out of my mouth and walk over to you, still feebly trying to choke out the woman. I give you the benefit of a doubt and figure that maybe the multiple doping drugs in your system are preventing you from sealing the deal. My heart is pounding, and I can feel my inner demonolater telling my it's important to help you. The woman is trying, and barely succeeding, to scream. I kind of pity her. She's been in this state for a few minutes and has just watched me chew her baby apart. I stomp her head a few times, and that's all it takes to finish the job Himuro failed at. 

Afterward we return to my aging Victorian mansion, where we fuck like superheroes. Himuro falls asleep shortly afterward, holes gaping. There was ass to mouth. I take her passed out body, naked, and tie her to a chair, which I subsequently throw down a flight of stairs. As the chair hits the bottom, it shatters, and Himuro wakes up, either in shock or paralyzed. I walk slowly down the stairs, a little exhausted. I roll her onto her back and sit on her chest, with my legs straddling her head. I'm basically sitting on her tits. She's screaming, terrified and in pain. I take her panties, wad them up, and shove them in her mouth. I then cover her mouth with my hand and masturbate myself to completion with my free hand, aiming for my favorite target, the nose. Gasping for air, with each breath she blows snot bubbles with my semen and then inhales a little more. Due to her mouth being covered, she's having a lot of trouble breathing, and her eyes are bugging out a little. I have a moment of clarity, I pull my hand back, stand up, and jump back. I put my hands to my head and say, "I don't know why I'm doing this! I sincerely love you, as a friend. Maybe more. This is just what I have to do to feel close. I don't mean to hurt you. I promise, I'll never hurt you again. I swear. Never!" I do a little pacing, waving my hands around in the air. There may be a little mumbling to myself. Your panties are still in your mouth but you can breath a little better. I eventually say, "I'm sorry. I have to think. I'm not sure what to do. I promise, when I come back I'll make things better." I drag Himuro into a closet, telling her one last time that I'll be back to make things right.

A couple weeks later I return with the full intention to repair our relationship, but Himuro has already died from drug interactions and starvation. I throw her body in a dumpster behind a church. There's a brief new story when the body is discovered, but the police never open an investigation because she was black.
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Himu

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2015, 02:30:35 PM »
I hope today is one of those days where the urge to die comes, because after reading that I could really use it
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2015, 02:31:16 PM »
Come on dude, you should have the decency to not derail a thread like this.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2015, 02:33:36 PM »
You gotta give people props when they can freeflow write like that.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2015, 02:44:07 PM »
In truth, I don't really want Himuro to visit because I'm afraid that if she were to get murdered while she were here, I'd end up getting blamed.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2015, 02:51:34 PM »
In truth, I don't really want Himuro to visit because I'm afraid that if she were to get murdered while she were here, I'd end up getting blamed.

 :comeon

Himu

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2015, 02:53:31 PM »
I want to get drunk.

It's 1 pm. :yeshrug
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2015, 02:54:10 PM »
I want to get drunk.

It's 1 pm. :yeshrug

It wouldn't stop me.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2015, 02:55:01 PM »
Oh god I'm an asshole. I'm going away for a while.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2015, 02:59:03 PM »
I want to get drunk.

It's 1 pm. :yeshrug

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Himu

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2015, 03:00:36 PM »
Who is "him?"
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2015, 04:03:12 PM »
feels good man
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2015, 04:38:16 PM »
I probably should be on something, but at the end of the day I'd rather just wallow in my misery. Sadness is all I have left.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2015, 05:01:52 PM »
I have a resistance to drugs that are supposed to change your mood
I want to get drunk.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2015, 05:42:47 PM »
can't drink on anti-depressants, sis.

I'm all about that drug life. Pharmaceuticals :aah
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Himu

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2015, 05:45:46 PM »
I have a resistance to drugs that are supposed to change your mood
I want to get drunk.

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Alcohol isn't something you do daily. Anti-deps are.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2015, 06:40:09 PM »
This is all stuff you should see a general practitioner about and get a referral to mental health specialist

Most antidepressants take 4-6 weeks to see any benefit so it's not a take pill feel better kind of therapy.

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2015, 07:32:31 PM »
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2015, 07:55:01 PM »
lifting is the best way to fix depression.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2015, 08:23:29 PM »
I was on an SSRI for a while and it brightened my mood but my personality felt a bit flat and I was constantly feeding myself.  Better than nothing but not great.  Very recently I switched over to an SNRI and I feel a lot more like "myself" and I've lost like 5 pounds already.  It can be an arduous process to find the right fit but it is definitely worth the effort IMO. 

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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2015, 08:30:29 PM »
when I took antidepressants, I had a lot more luck with SNRIs.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2015, 08:39:14 PM »
Celexa was alright, Lexapro just made me sleepy, Zoloft with Lamictal seems to be going best. Especially if I remember to take all my Lamictal doses.

Xanax was fine for a while, but Klonopin is better. Especially if I remember to take my doses on schedule.

You don't necessarily "feel" anything like a high or drinking, it's more gradual over time noticing things. More energy, activity. Though winter can be a bad time for this since it's fucking cold an I just want to stay in bed regardless because bed is warm. mmmmmmm warm.

Except the Xanax, initially that did feel like the relaxing part of drunk without the intoxicating or inhibited effects, but I have super tolerance (even to alcohol) so that only lasted for a couple weeks.

Therapist is probably most important though, once you have that sort of outside but familiar person it does feel a bit better even if you just talk about random things because it's a controlled environment for a set period and they aren't someone you see randomly or hang out with or are related to.

They prescribe these medicines at a rapid pace without a care in the world for the patients self esteem, how it will affect them mentally, or even physically, or even if they truly have the disorder or disease described.
This is why, like any service, if it's terrible or not what you want you go someplace else.

Like if you go into a McDonalds and they don't want to give you anything from Taco Bell for some messed up reason, you just run for the border.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2015, 01:24:30 AM »
Zoloft :aah

Zoloft-induced stoneresque food cravings. :stahp

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2015, 01:43:29 AM »
It's kinda been giving me a hardon for pizza lately, so stocked up on some good frozen pizza during a sale. Though I'd eat a whole Chinese buffet pizza (for the picky eater kids) probably.

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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2015, 01:49:07 AM »
I am reliably informed that I not only ordered a stuffed crust pizza at a recent social gathering where much drinking was involved but I was shouting, "STUFFED CRUST FOREVER," whilst ich fraß.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2015, 01:51:46 AM »
Well that is a pretty bulletproof argument imo

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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2015, 03:17:30 AM »
I've mentioned seroquel a number of times here. It actually worked best out of any other similar daily medication I tried, but I had to quit taking it because of the weight game. It sucks because the only thing that works nearly as well is the medication that's caused me to quit taking all of my medications due to price. I actually kept the remainder of my last bottle of seroquel around to tranquilize myself whenever I was going through something particularly horrible, since one of its virtues is it's very fast acting. The weight gain/hunger wasn't the only terrible side effect (it's obviously not good for the heart--you can feel it being very hard on your heart, even once you are used to it), but it was the biggie.
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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2015, 02:00:24 PM »
I have only read OP's post but I will read the rest when I come back later.

Here is what I can say:

I am on 300 mg of Venlafaxine (effexor in america) a day. I could not have been any happier about the help I am getting because of it!
If something out there will benefit you then you should see what it will be able to help you with. Just like working out and protein shakes, if protein shakes help you get where you want and make your journey easier then you shouldn't really be against it simply because companies are making money by selling it.


It takes 6 weeks for most antidepressants to work, you will probably feel like shit during that period but before you know it you will feel like everything seems to be working out great around you. Also, people on anti-depressants that are working for them won't go make youtube videos about them. They might tell a co-worker about it and that's about it. So remember that when you read stuff online.


Effexor on urban dictonary:
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Effexor
yes, it's an antidepressant. yes, it works; yes, it really does. especially at the highest doses. yes, it works when nearly everything else doesn't work. even the most emo of emo kids will cheer up and stop cutting themselves at 450 mg/day.

the only things more powerful are:

1. ect, where they fry your brain with electricity; it does work; but the downside is that you lose any recollection of the past few months, and you have to keep getting it for it to work
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2. the maois; of course, with the maois, if you drink wine, beer, eat aged cheese, or take any other sort of medication, your blood pressure goes to 300/240 and your head explodes, so they have to keep you in the **happy**place** while they use the maois on you.

downside to effexor:
1. if you're taking a low dose, and you're a man, forget about getting it up easily. on the other hand, at a high enough dose (300-450 mg), the problems actually seem to go away.
+and+
2. it has the absolute worst withdrawal of any antidepressant. you feel brainzaps for a few weeks to years, in addition, you're woozy and f'ed up. you're an addict, or you're miserable.

conclusion:

it's the bomb in the war on depression. like THE BOMB. the big one. the one with a big red button. it will fuck your depression over. just remember that it comes with fallout. you'll probably be taking those pills for the next 50 years or so.

is it worth it? maybe. if nearly everything else doesn't work.

you can take the blue pill, and go back to the matrix, or take the red pill, and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

but don't say i didn't warn you.
omg i only have one day left of effexor! (call pdoc frantically: NEED REFILL NEED REFILL!)

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2015, 02:22:54 PM »
Does it really hurt to try em for 2 months to see if you get any benefit? That's not enough time that you'd go through any crazy withdrawal.

You need to stay on an antidepressant at least 6 months to see if it works for you. Also, the dose is increased gradually.

I've not started seeing the therapist yet.

It doesn't have to be a therapist, it could be a counselor, a nurse, a doctor, a psychiatrist. The important thing is you meet one every month for like 20 minutes just to have someone monitor you. It's much less about you talking about shit and they try to make you feel better about yourself.

I bet if I tried one I'd feel like shit.

When I was on ADD meds I felt like shit

There are ADHD meds that work in different ways. Effexor helps with people who have ADHD and anxiety at the same time too.

They say I need them because they will make me feel better and not be depressed all the time. I don't think I can take em even though this past weekend all I did was sleep when I wasn't working. Time to sleep from 2 to 5 for literally no reason!

Depression is not the same thing as being sad. I never felt really sad when they started me on anti-depressants. If anything I was overwhelmed.
I totally recognize what you just described. Both ADHD and depression cause that. Sometimes it is being overwhelmed, sometimes it is motivation difficulties, trouble getting started with something, other times it is procrastination. It is normal to go through this once a month for me.

They prescribe these medicines at a rapid pace without a care in the world for the patients self esteem, how it will affect them mentally, or even physically, or even if they truly have the disorder or disease described. So now you have commercial after commercial of "do you feel like shit and wish you could have feelings again? Try Cymbalta!" followed by a "if you or someone you've known Cymbalta and have received harm, call today to participate in a lawsuit!" commercial. It shows that the industry still casts a wide net of corruption that over prescribes, without a care for its effects on its patients.  What are the long term effects? Is this dangerous? Will this medicine dull my ability to fully experience the full girth of human emotion? Will it make me MORE suicidal?

Too many questions, very few answers. Lots of money, though!

For your own good, don't mix in politics of the health system with your difficulties as a person when you are assessing whether you need help or not. Those two things are totally different. You don't think of false insurance claims when you wonder if you should get a drivers license. If anything, I interpret this as you being worried, maybe because of how you feel right now. I would bring this up to the doctor, say that this situation makes you worried because you have heard about negative experiences and what not. He/she will keep it in mind when making decisions with you.

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2015, 03:01:02 PM »
When I was quitting pot I was on Wellbutrin (Bupropion), it helped but honestly I think it's better to try and find other ways to regulate your brain chemistry (exercise, diet, sun exposure, etc)

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Re: Talk me into getting anti-depressants
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2015, 03:38:06 PM »
:bow Effexor :bow2

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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2015, 10:25:39 AM »
I already know I'm depressed. :lol have been since 2004! Decade anniversary! :rock
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