happy belated MLK day

[Eschaton]

i forgot about it cause the state of race relations in the united states is 

hope you had a good day, MLK was a cool and good dude imo

[Brehvolution]

Speaking about the state of race relations:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tea-party-mlk-wild-bill-cowby

[mormapope]

A lot of people like to assert that MLK would be gravely disappointed by black people and how they represent black people or culture. I think that mindset is complete bullshit. What MLK strived to do and what he accomplished is greatly significant, but his actions didn't fix institutional racism or warm bigoted people's hearts. That's not a dig at MLK either, the issues with race in the US are extremely deep seated.

Sucks he was assassinated as well.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

A lot of people like to assert that MLK would be gravely disappointed by black people and how they represent black people or culture. I think that mindset is complete bullshit. What MLK strived to do and what he accomplished is greatly significant, but his actions didn't fix institutional racism or warm bigoted people's hearts. That's not a dig at MLK either, the issues with race in the US are extremely deep seated.

Sucks he was assassinated as well.

If he were alive today he would be happy at the amount of wins we have had professional sports, black people on radio/tv, and most of our music. We now have the ability to reach our people. In addition black owned companies are growing in this country and as much as I hate to admit it, he'd love Obama.

He would dislike Kayne West and his ilk misusing said ability to reach people, and the exploitation of black families on TV reality shows, our lack of commitment to peaceful resistance, and our still well acknowledged disadvantage growing up.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

How would you feel about him being a full blown socialist though A_I_A

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He would be entitled to be whatever he wants, his little finger did more for my people than my entire existence will. If I ever had the pleasure of meeting him I would sit down, shut up, and listen.

[Phoenix Dark]

If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.

I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.

What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.

I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.

What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.

MLK....Jesse Jackson? What are you smoking? When did MLK ever insert himself in a situation  in the pure interest of profiteering from someone's tragedy man? Or are you one of those who can't see what's right in front of your face?

In fact I'm not sure where you're getting half this shit.

The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.

I agree, the baby boomers wouldn't take away anything from him at all.

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You know what people under 30 are best at? Blaming everybody else for their fuck ups and justifying it because 10 other idiots agree.

[Phoenix Dark]

If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.

I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.

What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.

MLK....Jesse Jackson? What are you smoking? When did MLK ever insert himself in a situation  in the pure interest of profiteering from someone's tragedy man? Or are you one of those who can't see what's right in front of your face?

In fact I'm not sure where you're getting half this shit.

The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.

I'm not making a direct 1:1 comparison between Jackson and MLK; I recognize Jackson is a well known fraud. My point is that even when Jackson lives up to MLK's ideals or actions he is savaged by white media and white conservatives. When he discusses race he is always accused of playing the race card, even when he's not. And if MLK was alive today he would be accused of the exact same thing. That's just a fact breh. Unless you're going to sit here and tell me MLK wouldn't be marching about Trayvon Martin, Ferguson, etc.

In terms of his economic views:

He wasn't accused of being a socialist for nothing.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Again, you're saying MLK would handle any of these like Jesse Jackson?

Meet with sony to get more blacks on TV then extort said blacks because they "wouldn't be here if it wasn't for me"He's savaged because he deserves it. MLK was savaged because they feared him...two vastly different situations.

Jesse Jackson should have been thrown to the bushes 20 years ago. He does nothing for us but make us look bad while taking money away from those whom deserve it.

Know how I know that? Because he did it to us. Hey sports guy fund me because I'll create a better working environment for you! Guess what he did? Nothing. People won't say shit because they fear the backlash or risk being called white supporters but it's out there if you look hard enough.

You want to back him, it's your decision. I personally have no use for him or his people.

Fuck that guy.

[Himu]

Agreed PD. White people shit on Jesse and Al even when their reaction and insertion is justified. It takes a lot of naïveté to think MLK would be wanted or even considered relevant had he lived to the 90's or even now considering people considered him irrelevant - even blacks - before he was killed.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Agreed PD. White people shit on Jesse and Al even when their reaction and insertion is justified. It takes a lot of naïveté to think MLK would be wanted or even considered relevant had he lived to the 90's or even now considering people considered him irrelevant - even blacks - before he was killed.

Who considered him irrelevant before he died? That's funny because I can't recall even the most militant of my family ever say a bad word about him.

I shit on Jesse because he is a con artist. I haven't said a thing about Al.

[Himu]

If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.

I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.

What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.

The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.

You mean the "me" generation that heavily leans socialist/liberal?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

If MLK had lived to see the 90s he'd be viewed like Jesse Jackson by many people who claim to love him today. Real talk. His death sanitized him by allowing people to focus on one specific part of his legacy while ignoring the rest. This is why people today get away with the "MLK was a republican" bullshit. Even 30 minutes of half assed research would make it very clear that MLK supported LBJ's Great Society programs, supported wealth redistribution, supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, supported Planned Parenthood, etc. Does that sound like a conservative to anyone - even a George Romney conservative? Was he a democrat? No. He never endorsed a political candidate. But his views are clearly on the liberal to socialist side.

I disagree with AiA on MLK/Obama. If MLK was alive he would have railed hard against our foreign policy, the NSA, etc; he wouldn't be like Sharpton, kissing up to the left on MSNBC. He wouldn't give a shit about getting invited to the White House, although I'm sure he would have met with Obama many times (thus upsetting right wingers). At the same time MLK would be helping the poor sign up for Obamacare, register to vote, attacking right wing attempts to dismantle government programs, etc.

What do these people think MLK would have thought about the Rodney King situation? Or Trayvon Martin? I can already imagine the "MLK had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage" attacks from O'Reilly, accusations that he was contradicting his dream speech, etc.

The only thing I'll cop to is that the "all about me" generation wouldn't get him, at all.

You mean the "me" generation that heavily leans socialist/liberal?

And yet couldn't name their own congressmen? Yup those are the ones.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Anyway the last thing I want to do is debate this. So I'll respectfully break away from continuing this argument.

[Himu]

Agreed PD. White people shit on Jesse and Al even when their reaction and insertion is justified. It takes a lot of naïveté to think MLK would be wanted or even considered relevant had he lived to the 90's or even now considering people considered him irrelevant - even blacks - before he was killed.

Who considered him irrelevant before he died?

I shit on Jesse because he is a con artist. I haven't said a thing about Al.

MLK lost a lot of allies before he passed. A lot. Especially towards his anti-Vietnam stance.

Honestly though, we don't know what would happen if Malcolm X and MLK weren't murdered. I'd wager the discussion would have continued so maybe they wouldn't have been considered irrelevant.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I'd like the think the right formula is somewhere between Malcolm X and MLK. Nobody has figured it out yet.

There's something to be said about strength in silence and solidarity and there is something to be said about standing your ground by any means possible.

[Phoenix Dark]

I don't think you're hearing me AiA. My point is very simple: MLK would be at the forefront of most of the racial events that have occurred since his death, as he was during his life. I'm not saying MLK would be a 1:1 Jesse Jackson or Sharpton. But like them, MLK would have left marches against police brutality during the Rodney King case, he would have led marches in support of affirmative action during the University Of Michigan case, he would be at the forefront of the Trayvon Martin situation, he would be involved in Ferguson, etc. Those are facts. And the reaction from the right, as well as the media, would be ugly.

People seem to forget that MLK was quite hated by white America during his life. He was accused of being a race baiter and agitator. His Memphis marches, which led to "riots," were pointed to as an example of him stirring up Negro hatred for whites. Sound familiar? Every single charge against him has been used against Jackson and Sharpton. I don't respect either for a multitude of reasons. Still I can't really deny that Sharpton did a great job organizing the Trayvon Martin marches. You know, the ones where conservatives claimed the White House was sending agitators to stir up the crowd. It's the same playbook from the far right.

MLK's death allows people to pretend like he'd have different views on justice than Jesse Jackson, and while there would be many differences overall they held similar views on a variety of subjects. Yet today the right slams Jackson while praising MLK. I would hope that you can see the cynical nature of that. I agree Jackson is a POS, but can you honestly say that he is 100% different from MLK on race?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

MLK was about defending his people

Jesse Jackson is about opportunity



I doubt MLK would mug for cameras or make impromptu speeches that are ineffective though.

And meeting with Sony? Would have NEVER happened. He would have sent Abernathy at best.

*waits for the cacs to google abernathy.

I agree they would have defended the same people...but it much different ways. King would have rallied AGAINST riots, day one.

[Himu]

The point is that mlk could do the right thing and still be considered a race baiter, AIA.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The point is that mlk could do the right thing and still be considered a race baiter, AIA.

Oh no I get what PD is saying. I'm just not going to admit that MLK and Jesse Jackson would ever have the same agenda. How he was viewed though? Yes Rush and O'Reilly and ever other idiot would call him a socialist agitator.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.

time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.

Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.


Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?

[Himu]

As an example, look no further than MLK's own family after his death. Jesus.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

As an example, look no further than MLK's own family after his death. Jesus.

Ali's are going to do the same



Also: Ali is my hero, nobody better get on him.

[Himu]

ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.

time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.

Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.


Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?

I don't see why people bring up MLK in regards to Ferguson when rioting happened all the time in the 60's.

"Rioiting is the language of the unheard." - MLK JR

If MLK - uncorrupted with the same moral compass - witnessed Ferguson, he would have expressed just that.

More than that, a lot of the rioting in Ferguson were small in size, and not as spread out as the media said.

The fact people keep mentioning the riots in Ferguson, even black people, pisses me off and just gives you any conclusive evidence that Americans are fucking hypocrites.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

 

Really?

http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2014/11/in-ferguson-riots-social-media-corrupts-mlks-message/

“Riots are self defeating and socially destructive,”

“I think for the Negro to turn to turn to violence would be both impractical and immoral,”

Watch the DAMN VIDEO people corrupt to spout that violent bullshit

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/

[Am_I_Anonymous]

As an example, look no further than MLK's own family after his death. Jesus.

Also: Ali is my hero, nobody better get on him.

- Louis was better

- Ali's greatest achievement was letting a slugger with no sense of composure and pace that he had a style advantage over cave his brain in

- He would lose to tons of the smaller more technical boxers of previous eras like charles, walcott, conn, etc

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You son of a bitch

[Phoenix Dark]

ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.

time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.

Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.


Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?

Yes, because riots occurred during MLK's marches.

Esch is right that money corrupts. Maybe MLK would have sold out. But then again maybe not. He held up well against FBI threats, and it's logical to assume said threats would have lowered or disappeared after Hoover left the FBI.

Regardless I think it's fair to assume that if MLK continued to fight for civil rights he would indeed march against police brutality, support Trayvon Martin, etc.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.

time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.

Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.


Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?

Yes, because riots occurred during MLK's marches.

Esch is right that money corrupts. Maybe MLK would have sold out. But then again maybe not. He held up well against FBI threats, and it's logical to assume said threats would have lowered or disappeared after Hoover left the FBI.

Regardless I think it's fair to assume that if MLK continued to fight for civil rights he would indeed march against police brutality, support Trayvon Martin, etc.

Man, I never said he wouldn't. He'd be there day one. He just wouldn't have the same agenda as Jesse Jackson. And the difference is I'd be there with him anytime he asked me.

Watch

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/


Saying MLK supported riots is garbage tier bullshit.

[Himu]

Who said he would have approved? He sure as fuck wouldn't do the typical middle class black thing and talk down to them, as has been seen by numerous middle-upper class black people around the country. He'd definitely understand. And he sure as fuck wouldn't be shocked or mad that "those blacks are making us look bad".

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Who said he would have approved?

You did.

"Rioiting is the language of the unheard." - MLK JR

If MLK - uncorrupted with the same moral compass - witnessed Ferguson, he would have expressed just that.

You guys keep pulling me back into this. I'm done debating this, we are all free to believe what we believe. Well except that Ali is the best person who ever lived. That is not debatable. :-)

[Phoenix Dark]

ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.

time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.

Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.


Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?

Yes, because riots occurred during MLK's marches.

Esch is right that money corrupts. Maybe MLK would have sold out. But then again maybe not. He held up well against FBI threats, and it's logical to assume said threats would have lowered or disappeared after Hoover left the FBI.

Regardless I think it's fair to assume that if MLK continued to fight for civil rights he would indeed march against police brutality, support Trayvon Martin, etc.

Man, I never said he wouldn't. He'd be there day one. He just wouldn't have the same agenda as Jesse Jackson. And the difference is I'd be there with him anytime he asked me.

Watch

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/


Saying MLK supported riots is garbage tier bullshit.

I never said he supported riots. But even your link makes it clear that he did not utterly reject them - he understood them. Likewise many of us here posted that we understood why there were riots in Ferguson while you railed against it with no sympathy or understanding...

If 1960s MLK was at Ferguson his message wouldn't be particularly different from what Sharpton said at the time: bad police terrorize black communities, racially profile, and do harm in general.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

ultimately you can't make conclusive statements on how MLK or X would have reacted to modern conflicts. They might have had different positions or in Martin Luther's case, maybe even state occupations that affect their responses to various events, the same way Obama being president tempers his responses to lots of things.

time, money, and influence can rot away the souls of the best men.

Good statement. However I would like to point out that if MLK wanted to monetize he easily could have done so.


Let me ask you this PD....Would Ferguson have rioted if MLK was alive?

Yes, because riots occurred during MLK's marches.

Esch is right that money corrupts. Maybe MLK would have sold out. But then again maybe not. He held up well against FBI threats, and it's logical to assume said threats would have lowered or disappeared after Hoover left the FBI.

Regardless I think it's fair to assume that if MLK continued to fight for civil rights he would indeed march against police brutality, support Trayvon Martin, etc.

Man, I never said he wouldn't. He'd be there day one. He just wouldn't have the same agenda as Jesse Jackson. And the difference is I'd be there with him anytime he asked me.

Watch

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/


Saying MLK supported riots is garbage tier bullshit.

I never said he supported riots. But even your link makes it clear that he did not utterly reject them - he understood them. Likewise many of us here posted that we understood why there were riots in Ferguson while you railed against it with no sympathy or understanding...

If 1960s MLK was at Ferguson his message wouldn't be particularly different from what Sharpton said at the time: bad police terrorize black communities, racially profile, and do harm in general.

There will be a time and a place for the movement. Ferguson was not it. I don't believe I slammed anybody for understanding why they had riots. I just said it wasn't going to help the movement. And so far I appear to be right.

And be real. I stated I did not support robbing and destruction of property. And I stand by that.

[Himu]

I didn't said he'd support riots. That doesn't mean he's insult people by insulting their intelligence and right to be pissed. Understanding != supporting

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I get what you're saying Himo. We'll agree to disagree.

What I want to for PD to produce posts where I showed NO SYMPATHY or UNDERSTANDING about the riots in Ferguson. I'll wait. Kinda heated about that comment.

[Himu]

PD may be assuming because we have seen lots of black folks get media attention and our own families trying to build excuses to excuse the bullshit that went on in ferguson while pointing fingers at black folks for being angry about it.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

PD may be assuming because we have seen lots of black folks get media attention and our own families trying to build excuses to excuse the bullshit that went on in ferguson while pointing fingers at black folks for being angry about it.

My Kids
My Wife
My Family
My People
My Job
My Politics
My Money


Make no mistake, my loyalty is with those that love me for who I am.

[Himu]

I agree. PD may just be assuming because this has been a heavy couple of months.

[Madrun Badrun]

Isn't this the day when that black power terrorist group bombed the Governor of Arizona?  Why would you guys want to celebrate that?

[Phoenix Dark]

I'll do some digging after work, and if I'm wrong I'll apologize to the OG AiA.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I'll do some digging after work, and if I'm wrong I'll apologize to the OG AiA.

Please do. But I have a bigger struggle now so you're off the hook.

My oldest just texted me and asked me what kind of rubbers he should buy.

 

[Positive Touch]

I celebrated by going to the mlk march, which ended with the older elite using police to remove Ferguson protesters from their ceremony at an hbcu. to say it was fucked is an understatement.

and gotta disagree with you strongly there aia, Ferguson has sparked the movement. there are nationwide rallies and events constantly now, lots of amazing young ppl coming up, lots of networking. we're only six months out but this continues to grow and well only get much much bigger.

[Himu]

My dad went on a rant last month because I support ferguson. Was talking about how nyc was the better protest to be a part of because it had people of all colors protesting a man being choked to death by cops, and is in his words "more important". That supporting ferguson is foolish because it only helps and supports black people, and he already supports black people, so he doesn't see a reason to support ferguson.

It's amazing how even when our people unite some will take it as an opportunity to use to get approval of other races

[Phoenix Dark]

I understand why the NY case was more accessible. It's a straight up case of a cop choking a man to death who wasn't resisting arrest, over a minor "crime." Whereas Ferguson allows  (ignorant) people to get caught up in Brown's behavior, from robbing the store to reaching for the cop's gun. It also requires people to defend powerful negro tropes to explain how a man can bull rush through a hail of bullets but I'll let our resident Canadian officer spin that.

It's not surprising why the feds jumped on the Gardner case instead.

[Positive Touch]

"everyone" isn't getting murdered by cops left and right, to say nothing of every other type of discriminating going on.

I can't say I really understand the mindset, beyond thinking there's a way out that isn't confrontational. but I do know damn sure that white ppl won't give a single fuck regardless and their only desire is for ppl to shut up and keep quiet.

[Himu]

It's easy to understadn; doesn't make it less frustrating

[Phoenix Dark]

A lot of white people have been killed by cops in Utah and other states actually. I tend to side with the argument that the problem is police brutality in general, and a legal system that defends it. I wouldn't dismiss Black Lives Matter but I definitely think the big issue is finding a way to shitcan our current police system, which benefits everyone (but obviously benefits blacks and Hispanics the most).

[Himu]

Brother Phoenix Dark The Wise.

[Positive Touch]

eh ofc I want major police reform but I hope this can springboard into a movement that addresses a lot of the bullshit that specifically targets black ppl

[Himu]

Drug war policies under attack, police talk is on the news or on the public consciousness almost every week now. Things are gonna get mighty interesting the next decade. Obama's America

[Phoenix Dark]

eh ofc I want major police reform but I hope this can springboard into a movement that addresses a lot of the bullshit that specifically targets black ppl

Agreed. I know people chuckle about Occupy Wall Street fizzling out but the reality is that income inequality has become one of the biggest issues in the US now. It has even been co-opted by some on the right. I definitely think this movement has a chance to accomplish some things, even if it's well after the protests end. There's consensus between liberals and libertarians on police state abuses. Better yet, a lot of changes can be won on the state level if people vote. Giving cops cameras doesn't require federal dollars, which won't come due to GOP obstruction. It'll come due to supportive state legislatures and governors adding money for it into state budgets. And cops that don't comply should be shitcanned.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I'm torn on the occupy shit to be honest. On one hand I did okay but I know my skills in a child's game helped pave the way and wonder what would have happened if I didn't.

But to hate new money is stupid. Old money, sure have at it.

See...torn.

[Positive Touch]

I forgot to mention that I also went to go see a Kevin Hart film

[Himu]

Is Kevin Hart good? Is that special on netflix good?

[Himu]

Wasn't talking about his movies, but his standup

[chronovore]

He’s got a stand-up concert movie out there; it’s disappointing. Really feels like a bunch of narcissistic buildup, and then poorly edited in terms of actual comic punch.

So far, the funniest thing I’ve seen him in was the appearance with Ice Cube on Conan, trying to get an Uber together.

[jakefromstatefarm]

Kevin Hart is like Dane Cook's idiosyncratic physical humor + Chris Tucker's kerrazy black man antics + Seth Green's Napoleon complex

So far, the funniest thing I’ve seen him in was the appearance with Ice Cube on Conan, trying to get an Uber together.

agreed 100%

when he's restrained he can be pretty fun to watch

[Positive Touch]

dammit guys I only made that comment to troll

[Phoenix Dark]

I don't like his delivery or his stage presence. It always seems like a comedian because "that guy" every few years. I remember when it was Chappelle, then Mencina, then Dane Cook, then Louis CK, now Hart. Honestly he's in the vein of Cook to me: bombastic and his arrogant cool dude thing isn't working for me.

I like the "alright alright alright" part of his stand up but that's about it. When he talks about his family members it just doesn't sound authentic to me though.

[Himu]

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