Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd

[Brehvolution]

From Twitter:

Christie: We must imprison nurses who risk their lives to fight infectious diseases and encourage mothers who fight to spread them.

[CatsCatsCats]

I'm all about required vaccines, but flu shot is a waste of my time, I'm sorry

[Positive Touch]

Okay, we all agree that anti-vaxxers are pretty stupid, but what about anti-washing your hands after using the toilet?

“I was having a discussion with someone, and we were at a Starbucks in my district, and we were talking about certain regulations where I felt like ‘maybe you should allow businesses to opt out,'" the senator said.

Tillis said his interlocutor was in disbelief, and asked whether he thought businesses should be allowed to "opt out" of requiring employees to wash their hands after using the restroom.

The senator said he'd be fine with it, so long as businesses made this clear in "advertising" and "employment literature."

 

swear to GOD I will leave this country if this happens. keep your oppressive poohands away from me

[Rufus]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1466938897/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_awdo_MGKZub1JRVHH5

[Phoenix Dark]

Christie being exposed as an opportunist of the worst kind.

[toku]

"you know you’re a 90s kid when your vaccinations were mandatory and no one in your class got measles"

[chronovore]

-Anti-vaxxers are (from my own personal experience) conservative religious tards that don't value science and are skeptical of anything that is supported/promoted by the gubbermint.
-These anti-vaxxer tards don't want to admit that their tard babies are a result of their own shitty, slightly inbred seed.

edit: Eh, I shouldn't write posts when I'm angry. The quality of them suffers as a result.

edit2: Also, conservative types who are all "Rah! Rah! Industry! Fuck the environment!" probably don't want to admit that all the pollutants that are now in the air and water are increasing the autism rate.

I have exactly one friend who is somewhat anti-vac, but she’s questioning and has plenty of valid liberty/rights concerns about the government mandating that people submit to be infected by an inert disease. She’d back you on the likelihood that the pollutants, both industrial and personal (perfume, latex/plastic/vinyl off-gassing) are responsible for the increase in autism, allergies, and psoriasis. But she also maintains that there is a small chance vaccines can do damage, and (I think) her main concern is the state mandating even a potential 1-in-10,000 chance of harm as a preventative measure.

We get in spirited debates. But she’s not actively campaigning to prevent it, so our discussions stay civil.

I think it started in California with the "natural" movement. People that don't trust any pesticides, hormones or other perservatives in their diet. People who think they can cure cancer by drinking juice. It's an extension of that.

The core issue is that when people have nervous breakdowns they scramble trying to find reasons why. So, they  hyper- focus on their diets as the reason for not feeling 'normal'. So, they create these weird dogmas around what they ingest in order to feel more balanced.  That's why you see the cross-over in the types of people that engage in it. I don't judge, whatever works for ya.

I Liked your post, and was right there with you until the end, but the idea of “whatever works for ya” ends for me at danger to public health, which this is, now repeatedly evidenced as such. These guys are free to believe whatever they want, no matter how wrong it is, but they should not be allowed into public schools or other publicly funded edifices without vaccination. Just no. Disneyland should also be mandating vaccination, and I realize the burden of proof and the paperwork for checking is a massive burden on all parties, so My Likely Considered Very Evil Plan of state-administered, mandatory vaccinations is more efficacious.

[chronovore]

The arguments are always interesting in that they altered the DNA in the food, so it will alter YOUR DNA! Which doesn't explain why a regular tomato wouldn't do the same since tomatoes presumably have different DNA than humans.

I assume it's like the if you eat fat, you get fat because you're putting fat in your body idea. Or older beliefs both in Europe and Asia how you had to balance meals based on warm/hot dishes and light/heavy foods, etc. because otherwise it throws off your bodies temperature or disposition.

I do have concerns about genetically modified foods, but it’s largely the dangers of growing major crops as a monoculture, which can be devastated by a single threat.

[Huff]

There are people that have issues with vaccines and money set aside to help those rare cases, but austism is not one of them.

Here's an article that explains that one vax trial is even worse than just falsifying data: http://www.vox.com/2015/2/2/7965885/the-research-linking-autism-to-vaccines-is-even-more-terrible-than

Good luck convincing anyone though

[Great Rumbler]

People will accept the one study that confirms their already-held beliefs [even after it's proven completely wrong], but ignore the 100 properly conducted studies that say the exact opposite.

[Dickie Dee]

The thing that kills me is that vaccinations are such a success story. Measles? Smallpox? Polio? GTFO

That 15 minute wait in the building after getting a shot should've been spent high-fiving everyone in sight because we as humans crushed that shit.

[Brehvolution]

Get the measles in America in 2015, brehs.

[kick51]

The sad thing is that the more they try to do to stop anti-vaxxers, some will stop, but a percentage of petulant twats will just double down. 

[Great Rumbler]

The sad thing is that the more they try to do to stop anti-vaxxers, some will stop, but a percentage of petulant twats will just double down. 

In a paper just published in Pediatrics, Brendan Nyhan of Dartmouth University and his colleagues showed that presenting people with information confirming the safety of vaccines triggered a "backfire effect," in which people who already distrusted vaccines actually became less likely to say they would vaccinate their kids.

[Joe Molotov]

That's just what THEY want you to believe!

[Brehvolution]

They should have just told them that vaccines are a joke and do nothing. They would have lined right up.

[Great Rumbler]

They should have just told them that vaccines are a joke and do nothing. They would have lined right up.

No, they should create a line of artisanal vaccines lovingly crafted by hand from only the finest all-natural ingredients.

[Joe Molotov]

They should have just told them that vaccines are a joke and do nothing. They would have lined right up.

No, they should create a line of artisanal vaccines lovingly crafted by hand from only the finest all-natural ingredients.

And we have some Duck Dynasty™ camo colored vaccines. Measles vaccinations: GET ER DUN!

[kick51]

pre-orders come with free wellness booster shot

[benjipwns]

Oh sure, like I'm going to trust some magicians who are also...

...

...

LIBERTARIANS

[Joe Molotov]

Vaxxers owned.

[Himu]

The last time I got a flu shot I didn't get the flu fuck you

[helios]

https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/parents-who-regret-not-vaccinating-4bbadf0dca43



 

[Mr Gilhaney]

I've seen a few old friends from school on FB and such, posting about the dangers of vaccinations and what not. I hope their kids has autism anyway.

[Phoenix Dark]

I don't want to hear any more shit talking, joking, or generalizations about Africa. This is pathetic, America.

[Kara]

I don't want to hear any more shit talking, joking, or generalizations about Africa. This is pathetic, America.

Tanzania has something like a 99% measles vaccination rate despite being a very poor food exporting country.

Chama Cha Mapinduzi

[Huff]

I’m an Anti-Braker

Guys, I wanted to let you know about a personal decision I recently made. I don’t really feel like discussing it, but I want to put my position out there. Please be respectful. This is a really long post, but please read the whole thing.

I’m taking the brakes off my car. This isn’t a rash decision, so please listen up.

A few weeks ago I saw a car accident - two people went through an intersection at the same time. Both slammed on their brakes at the same time and collided. Fortunately no one was seriously injured.

But then it occurred to me - if they had just gone through the intersection, they wouldn’t have collided. The brakes CAUSED the accident!

So, I decided to do my own research and what I found was *staggering*: Hundreds of people every year are seriously injured by unnecessary braking. One time, I was driving in the snow and I just lightly tapped my brakes and it caused my car to COMPLETELY LOSE CONTROL. My brakes could have very easily gotten me killed. Even more astoundingly is how often brake pads will warp and distort rotors, causing bumpy rides and squeaky wheels.

And you know what? I also found that decades ago brakes weren’t even used! People would control their vehicle’s speed with downshifting and engine braking. Maybe it’s just coincidence, but back when engine braking was used there were almost no automotive fatalities. There were NEVER brake caused car accidents.

After doing some more digging, I found a nefarious plot - Mechanics: The very people who we trust to work on and care for our cars - get PAID to install and change brakes! You might THINK they care about our safety, or our cars - but they’re just in it for the $49.99 brake pad installations.

So I talked to my Mechanic about taking the brakes off my car and I was disgusted by how poorly he treated me. He accused me of being ignorant, when I was the one that looked up how much rotational torque brakes can put on your rotors. He didn’t even know how much torque a rotor can take before being warped!!! He said “rotors are designed to be compressed, that it isn’t actually a problem” just completely dismissing me.

Then he had the NERVE to say that my personal choice had consequences, that I would affect everyone around me. Well I’ve had it with him, I’m looking for a new mechanic. The problem is that so many mechanics are bought and paid by the automotive industry that ALL of them are insistent about my car having brakes. Most of them won’t even look at my car for other reasons, saying that a brakeless car could cause damage to their shop and other cars. What a bunch of bullshit, they just don’t like those who believe in alternative braking techniques.

Now of course big government is getting involved, saying that I *MUST* have brakes. That this isn’t just about me, and that I could hurt people. What happened to personal freedom? What happened to liberty?

So all I’m saying is, do your research. Don’t just listen to the NTSB and big automotive. I made a personal decision for my family, we just said no to brakes. We’ll be using natural remedies like Gravity, and putting our feet on the ground to stop. After all, if that was good enough for me when I was on my bike as a kid, it’s good enough for my children in my car.

http://robertmoorejr.tumblr.com/post/110101466091/im-an-anti-braker

[Madrun Badrun]

The sad thing is that the more they try to do to stop anti-vaxxers, some will stop, but a percentage of petulant twats will just double down. 

In a paper just published in Pediatrics, Brendan Nyhan of Dartmouth University and his colleagues showed that presenting people with information confirming the safety of vaccines triggered a "backfire effect," in which people who already distrusted vaccines actually became less likely to say they would vaccinate their kids.

I'm starting to feel like Western society's stance on summary execution is wrong.

[Kara]

Nah, just the notion of parental rights.

[chronovore]

This is pretty much the first time this year I’ve listened respectfully to Libertarians.

[Mr. Gundam]

Humans are prone to all sorts of cognitive failures like that. It's pretty fascinating.

People don't like being told they're wrong, even if they know they are.

[Great Rumbler]

Humans are prone to all sorts of cognitive failures like that. It's pretty fascinating.

People don't like being told they're wrong, especially if they know they are.

Fixed.

[Mr. Gundam]

Jenny McCarthy just keeps doubling down on dumb. Her kid isn't autistic, all the evidence points to him having Landau Kleffner Syndrome.

This wouldn't really bother me if not for the fact that she's giving thousands of families false hope.

[Joe Molotov]

Jenny McCarthy just keeps doubling down on dumb. Her kid isn't autistic, all the evidence points to him having Landau Kleffner Syndrome.

This wouldn't really bother me if not for the fact that she's giving thousands of families false hope.

She's not anti-vaccine breh, she just wants parents to HAVE ALL THE FACTS so that they can decide for themselves WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THEIR KIDS, based on magic mommy intuition that only works if a nude model has told you that it will.

[Mr. Gundam]

Jenny McCarthy just keeps doubling down on dumb. Her kid isn't autistic, all the evidence points to him having Landau Kleffner Syndrome.

This wouldn't really bother me if not for the fact that she's giving thousands of families false hope.

She's not anti-vaccine breh, she just wants parents to HAVE ALL THE FACTS so that they can decide for themselves WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THEIR KIDS, based on magic mommy intuition that only works if a nude model has told you that it will.

I know you're kidding, but I've worked with lots of families who truly believe their autistic kids can be "cured" like McCarthy's son. I feel bad for them.

[Phoenix Dark]

It's stunning seeing her constantly get a platform to spread that nonsense.

[Brehvolution]

Jenny should have been more worried about the 6 different seed deposits fighting for that egg.

[benjipwns]

I honestly find it funny her kid didn't turn out to have austism considering her rhetoric when she thought he did, now clips I've seen of her at rallies and stuff have this hilarious condescending tone like "I FIXED MY KID, HE'S NOT FUCKED UP LIKE YOURS" lurking under the surface and I like to pretend she's in too deep with people who will break her legs to back out now.

[Rufus]

[Trent Dole]

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/warrens-not-so-subtle-shot-across-rand-pauls-bow?cid=sm_fb_maddow

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism?”

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause ‘profound mental disorders’?”

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines have contributed to the rise in allergies or auto-immune disorders among kids?”

“Are there additives or preservatives in vaccines that can be toxic to kids?”

“Is there any scientific evidence that giving kids their vaccines further apart or spacing them differently is healthier for kids?”

“Is there any scientific evidence that kids can develop immunity to these diseases on their own, simply by eating nutritious foods or being active?”

"No."

[T-Short]

Bit of a bump, but I saw this linked on FB: the Voltron of conspiracy theories

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/vaccinations-from-the-sky/

 

[Dickie Dee]

Bit of a bump, but I saw this linked on FB: the Voltron of conspiracy theories

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/vaccinations-from-the-sky/

 

Geoengineering initiatives (commonly referred to as chemtrails)

So this is a thing now?

[Dickie Dee]

Sorry, just meant the fact that "Chemtrails" have been rebranded as "Geoengineering initiatives"

[Kara]

It's 2015, you have to keep your personal brand fresh.

Do you really want to end up like global warming?

[chronovore]

It's 2015, you have to keep your personal brand fresh.

Do you really want to end up like global warming?

I love your thought, but isn’t it “global climate change” now?

[Dickie Dee]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218

[Kara]

It's 2015, you have to keep your personal brand fresh.

Do you really want to end up like global warming?

I love your thought, but isn’t it “global climate change” now?

That's the joke. It was rebranded to that too slowly so you have national legislators in D.C. bringing snowballs to the floor going "global WARMING huh? Checkmate lieberals. "

[Rufus]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218

Nice to see this in English. This guy is a fucking biologist. A biologist who doesn't believe in viruses.

[Mr. Gundam]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218

That guy is crazy. Almost sounds like some Scientology explanation.

Speaking of Europe, I took my daughter in for her 3-year checkup a few weeks back. We mentioned to the pediatrician that we're going to Spain this summer and she recommended that we get her second round of MMR shots early since vaccination rates in Europe are even lower than here. Didn't realize that.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218

Nice to see this in English. This guy is a fucking biologist. A biologist who doesn't believe in viruses.

Hello I am a Network Engineer, Consultant, and Architect. I do not believe the internet exists.

[Rufus]

It's a government conspiracy to drive down productivity via cat videos.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

It's a government conspiracy to drive down productivity via cat videos.

Something something dancing hamsters.

[Kara]

omg hamster dance

[Great Rumbler]

Just weeks after he and his wife decided to change their anti-vaccination views, an Ottawa-area dad says all seven of his kids have become infected with whooping cough.

[Kara]

Whoop there it is.

[Joe Molotov]

Whoops.

[chronovore]

"People here are more afraid of gluten than they are of smallpox."