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Himu

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Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« on: January 30, 2015, 03:56:03 PM »
Where is the evidence that vaccines cause autism? Why are these people so against flu shots? Why have they not realized that vaccinations is one of the main cornerstones of modern society and that the flu was a dead sentence a few centuries ago? Polio vaccine? Measle vaccine? Rabies vaccine? All this useful shit and yet they think there's some conspiracy when this shit saves lives.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 03:59:50 PM »
This is a topic I try my damndest to avoid, cause it just gets me all worked up and puts me in a bad mood.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2015, 04:03:18 PM »
da gubmint

I was going to write up a post, maybe about a paragraph long, but this really says everything that needs to be said.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2015, 04:06:08 PM »
-Anti-vaxxers are (from my own personal experience) conservative religious tards that don't value science and are skeptical of anything that is supported/promoted by the gubbermint.
-These anti-vaxxer tards don't want to admit that their tard babies are a result of their own shitty, slightly inbred seed.

edit: Eh, I shouldn't write posts when I'm angry. The quality of them suffers as a result.

edit2: Also, conservative types who are all "Rah! Rah! Industry! Fuck the environment!" probably don't want to admit that all the pollutants that are now in the air and water are increasing the autism rate.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2015, 04:24:40 PM by Atramental »

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2015, 04:31:23 PM »
-Anti-vaxxers are (from my own personal experience) conservative religious tards that don't value science and are skeptical of anything that is supported/promoted by the gubbermint.
-These anti-vaxxer tards don't want to admit that their tard babies are a result of their own shitty, slightly inbred seed.

edit: Eh, I shouldn't write posts when I'm angry. The quality of them suffers as a result.

edit2: Also, conservative types who are all "Rah! Rah! Industry! Fuck the environment!" probably don't want to admit that all the pollutants that are now in the air and water are increasing the autism rate.
I was under the impression that they're largely leftist, Whole Foods hippie-types and homeopaths, not religious fundamentalists.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2015, 04:42:51 PM by Quaker »

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2015, 04:37:44 PM »
True.

I live in a fairly conservative part of South Carolina so that's probably why I run into more anti-vaxxers who are on the Right rather than the Left.

But I bet if I went some place like Asheville, NC (hippie stronghold in the southeast) I'd run into more Leftwing anti-vaxxers

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2015, 04:59:26 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/against-dangerous-practice-inoculation-Preachd/dp/1170622577
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Rev. Edward Massey, who in 1772 preached and published a sermon entitled _The Dangerous and Sinful Practice of Inoculation_. In this he declared that Job's distemper was probably confluent smallpox; that he had been inoculated doubtless by the devil; that diseases are sent by Providence for the punishment of sin; and that the proposed attempt to prevent them is "a diabolical operation."
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/whitem10.html
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About the year 1721 Dr. Zabdiel Boylston, a physician in Boston, made an experiment in inoculation, one of his first subjects being his own son. He at once encountered bitter hostility, so that the selectmen of the city forbade him to repeat the experiment. Foremost among his opponents was Dr. Douglas, a Scotch physician, supported by the medical professton and the newspapers. The violence of the opposing party knew no bounds; they insisted that inoculation was "poisoning," and they urged the authorities to try Dr. Boylston for murder. Having thus settled his case for this world, they proceeded to settle it for the next, insisting that "for a man to infect a family in the morning with smallpox and to pray to God in the evening against the disease is blasphemy"; that the smallpox is "a judgment of God on the sins of the people," and that "to avert it is but to provoke him more"; that inoculation is "an encroachment on the prerogatives of Jehovah, whose right it is to wound and smite."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_Act (variolation is another word for vaccination basically)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anti-Vaccination_League

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/anti-vaccination-society-america-correspondence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#The_Cutter_incident

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In April 1982, before the NBC Emmy award winning documentary "DPT: Vaccine Roulette" was broadcast and alerted American parents that children were suffering brain damage after receiving DPT vaccine
http://www.amazon.com/A-Shot-Dark-H-Coulter/dp/089529463X

"Autism" is the "in thing" for overly concerned parents so I think that's why it got attached to something every kid gets.

Oh, there's also the fact that evil corporations are putting things in the vaccinations to try and control us, and that the same thing is part of fluoridation in the water. This is why you must only drink grain alcohol and rainwater.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2015, 05:08:15 PM »
There are a few frontline docs on this that are good

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2015, 05:25:14 PM »
my sis-in-law is crazy anti-vax, and is a former christian doctrinaire.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 05:38:44 PM »
It's a crossbreeding of people who believe in conspiracy theories, dumb people who think they are smart, and the cesspool of the internet circlejerk making them think they are an exclusive group with secret knowledge. 

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 07:06:38 PM »
It's a crossbreeding of people who believe in conspiracy theories, dumb people who think they are smart, and the cesspool of the internet circlejerk making them think they are an exclusive group with secret knowledge.

The plunging limbers over the shattered track
Racketed with their rusty freight,
Stuck out like many crowns of thorns,
And the rusty stakes like sceptres old
To stay the flood of brutish men
Upon our brothers dear.

The wheels lurched over sprawled dead
But pained them not, though their bones crunched,
Their shut mouths made no moan.
They lie there huddled, friend and foeman,
Man born of man, and born of woman,
And shells go crying over them
From night till night and now.

Earth has waited for them,
All the time of their growth
Fretting for their decay:
Now she has them at last!
In the strength of their strength
Suspended—stopped and held.

What fierce imaginings their dark souls lit?
Earth! have they gone into you!
Somewhere they must have gone,
And flung on your hard back
Is their soul’s sack
Emptied of God-ancestralled essences.
Who hurled them out? Who hurled?

None saw their spirits’ shadow shake the grass,
Or stood aside for the half used life to pass
Out of those doomed nostrils and the doomed mouth,
When the swift iron burning bee
Drained the wild honey of their youth.

What of us who, flung on the shrieking pyre,
Walk, our usual thoughts untouched,
Our lucky limbs as on ichor fed,
Immortal seeming ever?
Perhaps when the flames beat loud on us,
A fear may choke in our veins
And the startled blood may stop.

The air is loud with death,
The dark air spurts with fire,
The explosions ceaseless are.
Timelessly now, some minutes past,
Those dead strode time with vigorous life,
Till the shrapnel called ‘An end!’
But not to all. In bleeding pangs
Some borne on stretchers dreamed of home,
Dear things, war-blotted from their hearts.

Maniac Earth! howling and flying, your bowel
Seared by the jagged fire, the iron love,
The impetuous storm of savage love.
Dark Earth! dark Heavens! swinging in chemic smoke,
What dead are born when you kiss each soundless soul
With lightning and thunder from your mined heart,
Which man’s self dug, and his blind fingers loosed?

A man’s brains splattered on
A stretcher-bearer’s face;
His shook shoulders slipped their load,
But when they bent to look again
The drowning soul was sunk too deep
For human tenderness.

They left this dead with the older dead,
Stretched at the cross roads.

Burnt black by strange decay
Their sinister faces lie,
The lid over each eye,
The grass and coloured clay
More motion have than they,
Joined to the great sunk silences.

Here is one not long dead;
His dark hearing caught our far wheels,
And the choked soul stretched weak hands
To reach the living word the far wheels said,
The blood-dazed intelligence beating for light,
Crying through the suspense of the far torturing wheels
Swift for the end to break
Or the wheels to break,
Cried as the tide of the world broke over his sight.

Will they come? Will they ever come?
Even as the mixed hoofs of the mules,
The quivering-bellied mules,
And the rushing wheels all mixed
With his tortured upturned sight.
So we crashed round the bend,
We heard his weak scream,
We heard his very last sound,
And our wheels grazed his dead face.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2015, 07:07:24 PM »
John Wick was pretty much on par with Safe.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2015, 07:09:21 PM »
Head shot fixating though. Holy shit! I'm not a betting cis, but I'd wager that one of the directors lost hard at either Goldeneye on the N64 or BF4.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2015, 07:33:04 PM »
-Anti-vaxxers are (from my own personal experience) conservative religious tards that don't value science and are skeptical of anything that is supported/promoted by the gubbermint.
-These anti-vaxxer tards don't want to admit that their tard babies are a result of their own shitty, slightly inbred seed.

edit: Eh, I shouldn't write posts when I'm angry. The quality of them suffers as a result.

edit2: Also, conservative types who are all "Rah! Rah! Industry! Fuck the environment!" probably don't want to admit that all the pollutants that are now in the air and water are increasing the autism rate.
I was under the impression that they're largely leftist, Whole Foods hippie-types and homeopaths, not religious fundamentalists.

This has been my experience as well.  Although I don't associate with far right wing people so my sample size might be biased.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2015, 09:20:29 PM »
I think that it's a fear that spans both sides of the political spectrum. On one hand, yeah you have the whole foods and homeopath liquid life energy types who see vaccines as an industry/private/corporate threat. But there are also sovereign citizen style right wing anarchist type dudes who defluorinate their water that think it's a form of gubmint mind control. It's not exclusive to the left or right in my experience.
Which means we need a bipartisan solution that reaches across the aisle and brings both of these sides together! China for example has nothing but whole foods without secret Autism DNA, electric trains and clean teeth without fluoride. That's because they have leaders who can get things done.

/Thomas Friedman or some other Meet The Press idiot

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2015, 09:28:01 PM »
There are plenty of liberal soccer moms and Whole Foods types who fit the bill too. It transcends political ideology.

Shame on CNN for treating this like a "both sides" issue. Nah. Someone, preferably Obama, should just come out and throw these parents in the bushes.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2015, 09:39:09 PM »
PD gets results: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/30/us-usa-measles-idUSKBN0L32D220150130
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With U.S. measles cases on the rise, the White House on Friday urged parents to heed the advice of public health officials and scientists in getting their children vaccinated.

"People should evaluate this for themselves with a bias toward good science and toward the advice of our public health professionals," President Barack Obama's spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.

Asked whether people should be getting vaccinated, Earnest said: "That's what the science indicates."

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2015, 09:54:23 PM »
You all get flu shots every year? Having the flu has never seemed bad enough for me to go out and get shot. Maybe I'm just very ignorant about this.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2015, 09:57:58 PM »
I used to when I worked in a health setting; it was basically required. But now...nope. I almost never get sick.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2015, 10:08:20 PM »
Yeah, I've never bothered and I think I've caught it once in the last five years or so. And people I know who get it every year always seem to wind up with the flu, though I know why that happens it's still kinda funny in a way.

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2015, 10:27:31 PM »
I think it started in California with the "natural" movement. People that don't trust any pesticides, hormones or other perservatives in their diet. People who think they can cure cancer by drinking juice. It's an extension of that.

The core issue is that when people have nervous breakdowns they scramble trying to find reasons why. So, they  hyper- focus on their diets as the reason for not feeling 'normal'. So, they create these weird dogmas around what they ingest in order to feel more balanced.  That's why you see the cross-over in the types of people that engage in it. I don't judge, whatever works for ya.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2015, 10:55:44 PM »
The arguments are always interesting in that they altered the DNA in the food, so it will alter YOUR DNA! Which doesn't explain why a regular tomato wouldn't do the same since tomatoes presumably have different DNA than humans.

I assume it's like the if you eat fat, you get fat because you're putting fat in your body idea. Or older beliefs both in Europe and Asia how you had to balance meals based on warm/hot dishes and light/heavy foods, etc. because otherwise it throws off your bodies temperature or disposition.

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2015, 11:18:49 PM »
Maybe they think genetically modified food has some kind of left over substance in it that will continue to modify genetics? :lol

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2015, 11:54:13 PM »
I don't get the hullabaloo over GMO food.  Not that it has anything to do with anti-vaxxers (it doesn't, right?), but any food item that you don't pull out of the ground yourself has already been pesticided, transported, processed, and so on until it barely resembles whatever the planting machine that put it in tractor tilled soil made quite some time ago.  Anything you buy in a store you can't trust to be "natural" at any level, so why freak out over whether the seed it came from is a clone or not?

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2015, 12:01:18 AM »
Not that it has anything to do with anti-vaxxers (it doesn't, right?)
It's just a lot of crossover, same type of people often. The relation is kind of a "purity" thinking. Of body, mind, soul, etc.

Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2015, 01:14:13 AM »
You all get flu shots every year? Having the flu has never seemed bad enough for me to go out and get shot. Maybe I'm just very ignorant about this.

I do. I've got a kid and also work in the schools so I'm around everything.


Anti-vaxxers are so misguided. Thanks to a bunch of lefty "I'm smarter than you namaste" types, we had a lethal pertussis outbreak up here in WA a couple years ago.

Also, our daughter is still a few years away from kindergarten, but our neighborhood elementary has the highest percentage of non-vaccinated kids in the whole city.

I fear the day that polio comes back.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2015, 09:42:19 AM »
The only reasonable arguments I've heard against GMOs is that they don't stay confined to one field (which would make labeling pointless and essentially force all farmers into using them), that pests they may be trying to adapt for out-adapt the scientists and that Monsanto and co become the sole suppliers of seeds.

All the other spooky handwaving about vague cancer threats and such draws more attention though, for obvious reasons.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2015, 10:29:00 AM »
I bet these are the same people who'll be freaking out and trying to block people from using cyberbrains when those finally come around. :maf
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2015, 11:06:28 AM »
Anti-cyberbrainers are the worst.  If the surgeon general says I should augment my memory and connect to the patriot net, then by God, that's what I'm going to do.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2015, 02:01:53 PM »
SCIENCE!

I got the impression that it was a correlation-causation thing where kids w/ health care who get vaccinated = more likely to be diagnosed somewhere on the spectrum.

I've also gotten the impression that water-gate era baby boomers (e.g. Pete Carrol, my Latin teacher) were way more inclined to belong to the crazier end of the sliding scale of skepticism, from chemtrails to lizard people.

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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2015, 10:03:04 PM »
I have not read a single report that suggests that GMO's are harmful. Do you have seedless grapes in your kale smoothie? OH NO. YOU'VE GOT CANCER.

On Facebook, a friend who is a mother posted this - very, very misinformed -  link (found here) about a little girl dying from the flu despite having a flu shot. I told her that she died from a totally different flu strain; that the current flu that's going around killing children is NOT the same flu that influenza shots are protecting against. But nope, apparently flu shots have a 15% chance of working so the pharma industry should just STOP SHOVING FLU SHOTS DOWN EVERYONE'S THROAT.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2015, 10:25:06 PM »
Fun fact: between 3,000 and 50,000 Americans die every year from the flu.

But don't get vaccinated, though, because it might not work!
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2015, 10:29:06 PM »
I brought up that argument. The flu was basically a death sentence a few centuries ago. Like, last year was my first time getting a flu shot in a long time, but I didn't get them because I forgot, not because I thought they were bad or anything. But in 2013 when I had the flu over Christmas, I said fuck it, I'm getting a flu shot for now on.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2015, 10:53:08 PM »
I'm allergic to the tdap vaccine, so every time its been brought up with medical professionals (allergies, past vaccine reactions, etc) they assume I'm a crazy anti-vaxxer. No, motherfucker, please give everyone else a damn tdap. I'm relying on herd immunity to not get the damn whooping cough, and that herd immunity is dwindling fast.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2015, 07:02:57 AM »
I don't think it's a personal choice (unless you are allergic to the vaccines or your immune system can't take it; medical reasons, basically), it's a public health issue.

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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2015, 09:26:04 AM »
I don't think it's a personal choice (unless you are allergic to the vaccines or your immune system can't take it; medical reasons, basically), it's a public health issue.

Yea, if you're going to be sending your kid to school and day care, they should be mandatory, or hard as fuck to get out of. Most of the "reasons" include ingredients they haven't used in vaccines in decades. And a study written by a doctor who later apologized for the study.

No parent wants to jab their kid with a needle and shove a crazy substance in their tiny little bodies. But it is far preferable than getting measles. My kid didn't even know she had her flu shot until she saw her "sticker" on her leg. No fucks given on her part.

I was nervous about the tdap for her though since I'm allergic, but she did fine with it. She did run 103+ fever after the flu shot, though. She was better in a day or two.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2015, 02:30:56 PM »
When I was a kid, immunizations WERE mandatory ??? Or was this a middle class bubble I grew up in? This is why the anti-vaxxer thing amazes me.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2015, 03:15:49 PM »
When I was a kid, immunizations WERE mandatory ??? Or was this a middle class bubble I grew up in?

Seems like they were mandatory when I was kid, too.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2015, 03:17:20 PM »
They're mandatory for a lot (most? All?) of schools but it's easy to get an exception.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2015, 08:50:59 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/health/arizona-measles-vaccination-debate/index.html

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Wolfson, an Arizona cardiologist, refuses to vaccinate his two young sons. He said the family that didn't vaccinate and endangered the Jacks children did nothing wrong.

"It's not my responsibility to inject my child with chemicals in order for [a child like Maggie] to be supposedly healthy," he said. "As far as I'm concerned, it's very likely that her leukemia is from vaccinations in the first place."

"I'm not going to sacrifice the well-being of my child. My child is pure," he added. "It's not my responsibility to be protecting their child."

Be an anti-vaxxer doctor, brehs.  ::) Protect your children's precious bodily fluids.
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« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2015, 09:50:58 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/health/arizona-measles-vaccination-debate/index.html

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Wolfson, an Arizona cardiologist, refuses to vaccinate his two young sons. He said the family that didn't vaccinate and endangered the Jacks children did nothing wrong.

"It's not my responsibility to inject my child with chemicals in order for [a child like Maggie] to be supposedly healthy," he said. "As far as I'm concerned, it's very likely that her leukemia is from vaccinations in the first place."

"I'm not going to sacrifice the well-being of my child. My child is pure," he added. "It's not my responsibility to be protecting their child."

Be an anti-vaxxer doctor, brehs.  ::) Protect your children's precious bodily fluids.
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So what if someone else's 'pure' children contaminate his 'pure' children? What will he blame then, miasma?

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2015, 09:52:12 PM »
They are people who think my right not to catch a largely exterminated communicable disease (since I don't know if my immunizations actually worked unless I get one of those diseases) is outweighed by their right to protect their gene repositories from infinitesimally occurring side effects, things that don't exist, an erosion of their philosophy that's informed by fairy tales, or things they don't understand because they're fucking morons without an iota of motivation to engage in autodidacticism.

When you think about it, not only is it a fine display of the child-as-a-piece-of-property phenomenon, but a comical inversion of genetic self-interest. God bless idiots. :american

(There's also the people who just have shit access to medical care. Maybe if we get rid of the death tax magical vaccine mobiles will travel the hinterlands and ethnic enclaves of America vaccinating all the precious children who otherwise don't have access to basic levels of public healthcare.)

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2015, 10:15:36 PM »
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CNN asked Wolfson if he could live with himself if his unvaccinated child got another child gravely ill.

"I could live with myself easily," he said. "It's an unfortunate thing that people die, but people die. I'm not going to put my child at risk to save another child."

He blamed the Jacks family for taking Maggie to the clinic for care.

"If a child is so vulnerable like that, they shouldn't be going out into society," he said.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2015, 10:30:52 PM »
How many adults actually get their booster shots? I think tdap is every 10 years? I know I got a few after I gave birth, like immediately, within an hour.

Probably a good time to look into it, guys, before, ya know, its too late. :gloomy
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2015, 10:36:12 PM »
booster shot? you're supposed to take that past childhood?
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2015, 10:36:42 PM »
From what I can tell from a general search plus those anti-vaxx sites above, it's mandatory in every state for kids going to public school to be vaccinated for a variety of things. (Though that differs, for example Virginia tried to get rid of HPV vaccinations for their slutty kindergartners.) I guess there's just been more and more exemptions added or old ones stretched to fit a truck through?

That doctor dude:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/30/amid-measles-outbreak-anti-vaccine-doctor-revels-in-his-notoriety/
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“Don’t be mad at me for speaking the truth about vaccines,” Wolfson said in a telephone interview with The Washington Post. “Be mad at yourself, because you’re, frankly, a bad mother. You didn’t ask once about those vaccines. You didn’t ask about the chemicals in them. You didn’t ask about all the harmful things in those vaccines…. People need to learn the facts.”
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Amid this outbreak, Wolfson actively urges people to avoid vaccines. “We should be getting measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, these are the rights of our children to get it,” he told the Arizona Republic. “We do not need to inject chemicals into ourselves and into our children in order to boost our immune system.” He added: “I’m a big fan of what’s called paleo-nutrition, so our children eat foods that our ancestors have been eating for millions of years…. That’s the best way to protect.”
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Wolfson himself came to his anti-vaccination stance late in life. “I’m the son of a cardiologist,” he told The Post. “I was trained to believe in the power of vaccines…. And going through school, as a medical student you don’t question anything. You don’t question what’s going on.” Then in 2002, Wolfson, originally from Chicago, moved to Arizona where he met his wife, a chiropractor, who “opened my eyes.”

He said he soon embraced “natural and holistic” medicine. That was when he started challenging vaccines. He said viruses — not vaccines — are a part of the natural world. “Unfortunately, they mean that some people get sick and some people die,” he said. “But the reality is that we can’t inject our children with chemicals.”
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2015, 10:40:18 PM »
I consider getting a Jehovah's Witnesses to let their daughter get the HPV vaccine one of the 3 or 4 genuinely good things I've done in my life.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2015, 10:45:44 PM »
“Unfortunately, they mean that some people get sick and some people die,” he said. “But the reality is that we can’t inject our children with chemicals.”

We can't inject our children with chemicals to keep them from getting sick because they might get sick? :what
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2015, 11:02:32 PM »
booster shot? you're supposed to take that past childhood?

Just looked it up to make sure I wasn't facing imminent doom. Every 10 years for Tdap (or Td for pertussis-allergic freaks like myself), commonly referred to as a "tetanus shot" but also protects against whooping cough (pertussis, hence the p in Tdap) and diphtheria.

Everything else is pretty much one-time series. Hep A, Hep B, MMR are all pretty much done after you finish your series, or if they somehow think you don't have immunity (I guess for people who have been vaccinated but still get measles). Same for old people getting pneumonia and shingles vaccines.

Flu is obviously yearly, because mutations and what not.

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Had to get the rabies vaccine when I was a teenager for trying to help a kitten (hence dog person). 5 shots over a month, but its based on weight, and I was a whooping 100 lbs. So 6-9 isn't out of the question. Plus a few immunoglobulin shots to boost immunity. There are boosters for the rabies vaccine, but they only administer if there's another bite, and I think it's only one shot per incident. Hoping I won't have to find out. However, I'm automatically volunteered by my family for handling any sick kittens or scared puppies. :maf
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2015, 11:10:49 PM »
I'm not sure when I last had a tetanus shot...hm. I'll ask about it when I go to the doc next time.
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2015, 11:40:44 PM »
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/pediatrician-believes-vaccines-are-messing-nature
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Kenet Lansman tells me she would never deny any vaccine to parents who request it for their child. But she does share her personal beliefs with her patients: She fears that vaccines have contributed to the recent uptick in autoimmune disorders and other chronic conditions. "I think we're just messing with nature, and we really don't know what we've created," she says. "We've reduced or largely eliminated many infectious diseases. But in their place, we have an epidemic of chronic illnesses in children. The incidence of asthma, allergies, and autism spectrum disorders has dramatically increased since the 1990s. And the reason for this we don't know. But my concern is that vaccines have played a role."

She has a policy of giving only one vaccination at a time, and only when a child is completely healthy. "I believe that the detoxification pathways in the body can be overwhelmed by too many vaccines given on one day," she explains.

Pediatric Alternatives prioritizes childhood vaccines based on the perceived risk of a kid acquiring a given disease. "We live in a very healthy community," Kenet Lansman says. "The incidence of these illnesses are very low, not only here, but nationwide. And so it's safe to do a modified vaccine schedule, in my opinion."

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The main reason for the delay, Kenet Lansman says, is that she still believes there could be a link between vaccines and autism. She acknowledges that the scientific community has rejected this theory, yet she says she has seen children from her own practice who begin to show signs of autism shortly after being vaccinated. "My feeling is that if there is any risk that the vaccine is associated with autism, we should delay the vaccine during this vulnerable developmental window," she says.

Several times during my visit, Kenet Lansman mentions that in her 16 years of offering alternative vaccination schedules, not one of her patients has come down with a vaccine-preventable disease. What's more, she adds, she has noticed that patients in her practice actually seem healthier than most of their peers. "Our office tends to be quiet during flu season," she says.

I'm glad more and more doctors and pediatricians are standing up to Big Pharma and supporting nature over man-made evil.

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2015, 10:17:43 AM »
Pediatricians are bottom tier doctors. Not surprised a group of them are practicing alternative/homeopathic/herbal medicine. In California. Shocking
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2015, 08:01:35 PM »
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) doubled down on his comments that vaccines should be "voluntary" in an interview on CNBC Monday.

"I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Paul said.

CNBC host Kelly Evans asked Paul, a potential 2016 candidate, about his previous statement that vaccines "ought to be voluntary," and he seemed confused as to why his statement was controversial.

"Well I guess being for freedom would be really unusual," he responded. "I guess I don’t understand the point that would be controversial."

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2015, 08:06:57 PM »
But what's the Southern Avenger's stance?
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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2015, 12:38:55 PM »
Okay, we all agree that anti-vaxxers are pretty stupid, but what about anti-washing your hands after using the toilet?

“I was having a discussion with someone, and we were at a Starbucks in my district, and we were talking about certain regulations where I felt like ‘maybe you should allow businesses to opt out,'" the senator said.

Tillis said his interlocutor was in disbelief, and asked whether he thought businesses should be allowed to "opt out" of requiring employees to wash their hands after using the restroom.

The senator said he'd be fine with it, so long as businesses made this clear in "advertising" and "employment literature."

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2015, 01:02:12 PM »
Yeah, that sounds like it would make for some great advertising, Senator.  :hitler

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Re: Someone explain the anti-vaccination crowd
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2015, 01:13:23 PM »
You don't even need to use the restroom at MCD's to need to wash your hands when you leave a MCD's restroom.
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