Author Topic: Game Of Thrones Season 5 thread of windy words (Read 96779 times)

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #180 on:** May 04, 2015, 08:51:12 AM »

I didn't get the impression the unsullied were nerfed. they got ambushed in the streets by overwhelming force. maybe it wasn't shown as obviously but that's clearly the intention

bunch of salty dudes in this thread.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #181 on:** May 04, 2015, 09:15:26 AM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on May 04, 2015, 08:51:12 AM

I didn't get the impression the unsullied were nerfed. they got ambushed in the streets by overwhelming force. maybe it wasn't shown as obviously but that's clearly the intention

bunch of salty dudes in this thread.

yea...but they're also hyper disciplined soldiers. Even an ambush wouldn't stop them from forming a phalanx in an enclosed area...

Grey Worm, Jorah, and Daario killed what, 30 dudes by themselves in S3? Wouldn't Barristan The Bold, Grey Worm, and ten Unsullied be able to do far more damage?

El Babua · « **Reply #182 on:** May 04, 2015, 09:21:43 AM »

Both the unsullied and Barrastan should have been able to murk the Harpy dudes. I understand the need to create drama, but this show really loves putting over lazy short term shock over something more logical and appropriate.

I wouldn't mind the sons of the Harpy getting them by using deceit and shadowy tactics as they did in the beginning of the episode. I think doing it like that would have made them seem like a bigger threat than a cheap action scene.

Edit: Also lol Sand Snakes

Nibel · « **Reply #183 on:** May 04, 2015, 09:29:00 AM »

Doesn't matter what kind of soldier you are: when you have to fight with a spear in a narrow area and have to fight against multiple enemies that are a) in the majority, b) equiped with daggers/short-swords and c) have no interest in fighting an honorable fight but kill you no matter what instead, chances are pretty high that you get killed. The Unsullied are fantastic soldiers; compare the amount of Unsullied corpes with the amount of Harpy corpses and you'll see despite being at a disadvantage they managed to kill all of them.

Right now I'm happy that things get finally interesting in Mereen and King's Landing; the real Game Of Thrones starts now.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #184 on:** May 04, 2015, 09:34:09 AM »

Yeah, I mean the unsullied are supposed to get the job done at any cost, they did that

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #185 on:** May 04, 2015, 09:37:04 AM »

Quote from: Nibel on May 04, 2015, 09:29:00 AM

Doesn't matter what kind of soldier you are: when you have to fight with a spear in a narrow area and have to fight against multiple enemies that are a) in the majority, b) equiped with daggers/short-swords and c) have no interest in fighting an honorable fight but kill you no matter what instead, chances are pretty high that you get killed. The Unsullied are fantastic soldiers; compare the amount of Unsullied corpes with the amount of Harpy corpses and you'll see despite being at a disadvantage they managed to kill all of them.

Right now I'm happy that things get finally interesting in Mereen and King's Landing; the real Game Of Thrones starts now.

Fire Emblem has well established that lances>short sword, good sir.

Nibel · « **Reply #186 on:** May 04, 2015, 09:52:54 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2015, 09:37:04 AM

Quote from: Nibel on May 04, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
Doesn't matter what kind of soldier you are: when you have to fight with a spear in a narrow area and have to fight against multiple enemies that are a) in the majority, b) equiped with daggers/short-swords and c) have no interest in fighting an honorable fight but kill you no matter what instead, chances are pretty high that you get killed. The Unsullied are fantastic soldiers; compare the amount of Unsullied corpes with the amount of Harpy corpses and you'll see despite being at a disadvantage they managed to kill all of them.

Right now I'm happy that things get finally interesting in Mereen and King's Landing; the real Game Of Thrones starts now.
Fire Emblem has well established that lances>short sword, good sir.

On the battlefield? Sure, That's probably right and we saw that.
But Mereen is full of narrow alleys and more or less 'closed', daggers and short swords are way more effective than huge lances. I must admit though that despite that they managed to keep distance between themselves and the Sons Of The Harpy with their lances, so that's a good small advantage and I gotta respect that they did the best they could with what they had with them.

I really want to see Dany's reaction to all of this - hope she will show the people of Mereen who boss is without turning mad like her father.

Nibel · « **Reply #187 on:** May 04, 2015, 10:55:21 AM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 04, 2015, 10:27:09 AM

This show fell off so fucking fast it's insane.

This statement is more fantasy than the show itself, but good job breh, whatever fits your narrative :lenowned

Tasty · « **Reply #188 on:** May 04, 2015, 11:33:41 AM »

TBF this season has been kinda lame and I'm not a book reader. None of the plots are compelling IMO.

Sansa getting married is bleh.
Stannis has been standing around looking constipated for 4 eps straight.
Jon is winning elections and signing forms. Wow, such excite.
Dany's been in her ivory tower getting banged and being 100% reactionary to the people she's supposed to be ruling.
The drama between Cersei and Margery has been falling totally flat.
Tyrion's plot is snoozeville.
Who gives a fuck about Jaime's quest?

The most interesting stuff has been Arya who's been out of it for like two eps, and the Dorne sistahs who have had like two scenes total this entire season so far.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #189 on:** May 04, 2015, 11:53:17 AM »

Ramsey doesn't deserve Sansa.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #190 on:** May 04, 2015, 12:11:40 PM »

re: The Sand Snakes, someone put it this way: "Welcome to Dorne, where lengthy exposition takes the place of actual character development."

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #191 on:** May 04, 2015, 12:13:05 PM »

I dislike how each of them seems like the same character, whereas each had a different personality in AFFC. Super high cheese factor...

studyguy · « **Reply #192 on:** May 04, 2015, 03:21:27 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2015, 12:13:05 PM

I dislike how each of them seems like the same character, whereas each had a different personality in AFFC. Super high cheese factor...

I can barely remember, wasn't the one who is out for fucking blood supposed to be the more passive, quiet one of the group?
Honestly they're setting them up as if they're just a bunch of assholes out of the desert. None of that sounds like Dorne.

toku · « **Reply #193 on:** May 04, 2015, 07:11:27 PM »

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #194 on:** May 04, 2015, 07:34:30 PM »

lol I get a kick out of knocking this dumb show because of how riled up people get but Dexter? The worst episode of GoT shits on the best of anything on dexter from a great height

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #195 on:** May 04, 2015, 10:24:22 PM »

Someone from the no spoilers GAF thread PM'd me for more info on Barristan, because he was confused why such an allegedly badass guy got murked. So I send him a lore write up I did. I'll put it in spoilers, but this is safe for ~~nerds only~~ anyone to read:

safe for all

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Basically if you make a list of the top 10 greatest knights of the last 100-200 years of Westeros, Barristan would be high on the list. At the age of ten he entered a tourney as a mystery knight, and when his age was finally revealed he was given the nickname "Barristan The Bold." He was knighted six years later at another tourney, during which he unhorsed Ser Duncan The Tall (Lord Commander of the Kingsguard at the time, and also considered a great knight). Not long after that he got his first battle experience in a war, during which he killed the leader of the opposition in single combat, thus essentially ending the war. After that he was inducted into the Kingsguard.

Ever wondered how the Mad King became the Mad King? His reign began relatively peacefully until a lord refused to pay taxes, and demanded more fair treatment for local citizens. The court at the time suggested that the Hand of The King, Tywin Lannister, deal with the situation given his past history of dealing with rebellions (ie the Rains Of Castemere). However Aerys wanted to prove he was just as effective as Tywin, so he decided to personally lead an army to this particular lord's castle. Aerys foolishly decided to ride to the castle with only one Kingsguard member and a small force; this was all a part of his attempt to prove he was better than Tywin. Anyway, the king and his force were quickly overrun and captured. They were imprisoned in the castle.

Tywin Lannister led a huge army to the castle and demanded the king's return, but the lord refused. Tywin planned to siege the castle and to destroy it, regardless of the consequences. However after some arguing, he was convinced to try a more covert plan: Barristan Selmy. Barristan, posing as a beggar, managed to covertly scale the castle walls, kill the sentries, and Metal Gear Solid his way to the dungeons where the king was held. It was there that he discovered the king had been severely tortured by his captors. Selmy freed the king and then began fighting his way to the stables. They stole two horses and managed to break out of the castle as Tywin's men started to attack.

(Afterwards the lord opened his gates and begged for mercy. Needless to say Aerys had him beheaded, and ordered the execution of his entire family. He also had families that supported the lord executed, including the Hollards. However Barristan Selmy asked that the king spare the youngest Hollard, who was just a child. Aerys granted the wish. I only bring this up because that kid was Dontos Hollard, ie the drunken knight that Joffrey made his fool in S2, and who later helped Sansa escape King's Landing in S4 after Joffrey's murder).

So yea...Barristan is a complete badass and perhaps the most respected man in Westeros. Remember when he quit the Kingsguard in S1? Afterwards Janos Slynt (the guy Jon beheaded) sent Gold Cloaks to arrest him. Despite not having a sword, Barristan managed to kill them. He then escaped the city on horse. Always the covert expert, Barristan later snuck back into the city, once again posing as a beggar. He was in Baelor's Sept and saw Ned get beheaded. After that he sailed to Essos to find Dany.

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I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #196 on:** May 05, 2015, 01:23:00 AM »

I get why they're doing it, they're trying to push the narrative and create a reason for her to want the imp/forgive Jorah. But, it just feels too hamfisted/manufactured.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #197 on:** May 05, 2015, 06:23:00 AM »

Is it confirmed Barristan got merked? I initially read it as the Harpy starting the killing stroke but not finishing it because Grey Worm spears him. They both collapse from earlier wounds

Nibel · « **Reply #198 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:31:42 AM »

Quote from: Mamacint on May 05, 2015, 06:23:00 AM

Is it confirmed Barristan got merked? I initially read it as the Harpy starting the killing stroke but not finishing it because Grey Worm spears him. They both collapse from earlier wounds

I mean there is a bunch of blood on the floor and Barriston isn't the youngest anymore.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #199 on:** May 05, 2015, 10:14:53 AM »

Khal Drogo died with a scratch on his arm. Medicine of that time won't help Barristan.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #200 on:** May 05, 2015, 10:51:53 AM »

The problem wasn't that they (maybe/probably) died, it was just the poor overall direction of the scene. The Unsullied being a great phalanx soldiers but poor streetfighters came up in the books as well no?

Don't know why they relied so heavily on Barristan's actual actor for what seemed like the whole fight. He's not shaped like an old man, lot's of younger stunt doubles could've matched up well with minimum makeup.

Herding them together and have them not attempt a formation then lose to guys with knives was pretty dumb.

Should've done it like order 66 or whatever from the prequels, have a bell or gong ring through the city then the masks come on then stabby-stabby.

Tasty · « **Reply #201 on:** May 05, 2015, 11:37:21 AM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 05, 2015, 01:42:33 AM

All this shit is more ham-fisted than a Willco jerk-off session.

That's not bad

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #202 on:** May 05, 2015, 11:37:48 AM »

The actor who plays Barristan confirmed it. He said he was very excited about this season because of the stuff Barristan does in ADWD...then he got the script and realized it was only a few pages, and didn't include any of the cool stuff he does in the book. He wasn't happy about it but understood the decision.

studyguy · « **Reply #203 on:** May 05, 2015, 12:05:45 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2015, 11:37:48 AM

The actor who plays Barristan confirmed it. He said he was very excited about this season because of the stuff Barristan does in ADWD...then he got the script and realized it was only a few pages, and didn't include any of the cool stuff he does in the book. He wasn't happy about it but understood the decision.

Clapped up by show producers.
Shame it had to go down that way, but it don't surprise me any.
Bronn's next up, I'd put money down on it since they're running low on beloved characters that aren't plot armored to kill off.

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Davos doesn't look like he's taking off just yet so it'll be a while before he's almost "killed"

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Dickie Dee · « **Reply #204 on:** May 05, 2015, 12:41:57 PM »

I don't think they killed Barristan for shock value, they killed him because they can't spend 8-9 episodes with Emmy winner Peter Dinklage riding a fucking pig so they need to move him to Danny ahead of schedule. It's not that he lacked plot armor, he suddenly acquired plot weak-point-for-massive-damage

studyguy · « **Reply #205 on:** May 05, 2015, 12:49:34 PM »

Show looks like it's breaking out into an all out sprint.

http://imgur.com/a/Qdv4s

Nibel · « **Reply #206 on:** May 05, 2015, 12:52:22 PM »

Study is that a spoiler or safe to click

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #207 on:** May 05, 2015, 01:05:27 PM »

Quote from: Nibel on May 05, 2015, 12:52:22 PM

Study is that a spoiler or safe to click

Stills from the trailers.

studyguy · « **Reply #208 on:** May 05, 2015, 01:50:28 PM »

Thing that bothers me about Cersei right now is the Faith Militant and the High Sparrow in the books iirc were like a snap judgement made during the time when shit's all crumbling around her. The king's gotta help us says the Sparrow. I can't fucking arm you, but how about you all just deal with it yourself. The book made it seem like she had just outmaneuvered the High Sparrow into the pocket of the King by currying favor but did that shit in ignorance in a way that leads to all kinds of otherblowback without her realizing it.

Show version's basically this bitter old bitch who used them as a proxy to fuck up Loras and snap back at Margery. The Sparrow even warns her that she's about to fuck up way more forward than in the books, that this shit isn't answering to the King. In the books it's like she misjudges him for some overly pious dude when he asked to be armed. In the show he's straight up with her about the plan she puts out and yet she's still like lol do you

Sparrow:

Cersei:

Net effect is the same in the end I guess, but it feels more satisfying the way it seems to play out in the books to me. Whatever tho

Steve Contra · « **Reply #209 on:** May 05, 2015, 01:50:49 PM »

The more this season goes on the more I realize how bad the last books were. You'd need three seasons to cram in all the boredom Martin managed out of those two books.

studyguy · « **Reply #210 on:** May 05, 2015, 02:03:05 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 05, 2015, 01:50:49 PM

The more this season goes on the more I realize how bad the last books were. You'd need three seasons to cram in all the boredom Martin managed out of those two books.

Glad a lot of it is getting cut.
Fell asleep a couple times through the ADWD

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #211 on:** May 05, 2015, 04:53:17 PM »

Quote from: studyguy on May 05, 2015, 01:50:28 PM

Thing that bothers me about Cersei right now is the Faith Militant and the High Sparrow in the books iirc were like a snap judgement made during the time when shit's all crumbling around her. The king's gotta help us says the Sparrow. I can't fucking arm you, but how about you all just deal with it yourself. The book made it seem like she had just outmaneuvered the High Sparrow into the pocket of the King by currying favor but did that shit in ignorance in a way that leads to all kinds of otherblowback without her realizing it.

Show version's basically this bitter old bitch who used them as a proxy to fuck up Loras and snap back at Margery. The Sparrow even warns her that she's about to fuck up way more forward than in the books, that this shit isn't answering to the King. In the books it's like she misjudges him for some overly pious dude when he asked to be armed. In the show he's straight up with her about the plan she puts out and yet she's still like lol do you

Sparrow: (Image removed from quote.)

Cersei:

Net effect is the same in the end I guess, but it feels more satisfying the way it seems to play out in the books to me. Whatever tho

In the book she agreed to arm them in exchange for the church blessing Tommen and absolving the crown's debt.

toku · « **Reply #212 on:** May 06, 2015, 12:31:26 AM »

How the fuck are there already five seasons of this show

studyguy · « **Reply #213 on:** May 07, 2015, 01:09:44 PM »

https://instagram.com/p/2WXT1ty5_x/

Spoilers for the next episode.
That look

Vizzys · « **Reply #214 on:** May 07, 2015, 04:19:57 PM »

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BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #215 on:** May 11, 2015, 12:06:29 AM »

This season is molasses. It's slower and duller than season 2. We're half way done and it feels like NOTHING has happened!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #216 on:** May 11, 2015, 12:31:02 AM »

Pretty good episode IMO. Lots of good northern stuff and the last scenes with Tyrion were cool.

adwd

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Looks like Jorah is replacing Connington in more ways than one. So he'll bring greyscale to Westeros. Interesting.

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Nibel · « **Reply #217 on:** May 11, 2015, 04:14:59 AM »

9/10 Episode

The Khalessi segment

The Winterfell segment

The Wall segment

The Tyrion segment

The ending

The implications

Stannis

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #218 on:** May 11, 2015, 08:50:31 AM »

Was weird seeing how they changed the way Danny and the one Fighting Pit guy eventually get married. I remember he was the one relentlessly pursuing her in the book and suggesting they get married. In the show he's always sounds like he's about to cry.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #219 on:** May 11, 2015, 10:53:03 AM »

I forgot to watch it.

studyguy · « **Reply #220 on:** May 11, 2015, 11:07:04 AM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on May 11, 2015, 08:50:31 AM

Was weird seeing how they changed the way Danny and the one Fighting Pit guy eventually get married. I remember he was the one relentlessly pursuing her in the book and suggesting they get married. In the show he's always sounds like he's about to cry.

Basically turned that dude into her bitch in the show. By the time their marriage rolls around that dude is going to be some mad simp in a dress.

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Also Jorah basically filling out like an entire books worth of characters.

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El Babua · « **Reply #221 on:** May 11, 2015, 11:07:40 AM »

Good episode. Loved that it almost entirely focused on the best part of ADWD (the North) and the Tyrion/Jorah adventure was cool. Dany is still Dany.

Tasty · « **Reply #222 on:** May 11, 2015, 11:24:30 AM »

This season feels so slow, oh my god. $:-\$

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #223 on:** May 11, 2015, 12:30:13 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on May 11, 2015, 08:50:31 AM

Was weird seeing how they changed the way Danny and the one Fighting Pit guy eventually get married. I remember he was the one relentlessly pursuing her in the book and suggesting they get married. In the show he's always sounds like he's about to cry.

As a non reader that seemed to come out of nowhere.

El Babua · « **Reply #224 on:** May 11, 2015, 02:34:18 PM »

Quote from: BobFromPikeCreek on May 11, 2015, 12:06:29 AM

This season is molasses. It's slower and duller than season 2. We're half way done and it feels like NOTHING has happened!

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 11, 2015, 11:24:30 AM

This season feels so slow, oh my god. $:-\$

Quite a faithful adaptation then.

studyguy · « **Reply #225 on:** May 11, 2015, 03:25:05 PM »

I don't think Ramsay is gonna smash.
Feel like that's too easy an out for a shocker in an episode. He probably will eventually but I'd wager he's going to do some depraved shit to that kennel girl first, maybe both.

Anyway internet is going to lose its mind over it if they end up fucking their tv show waifu.
It'll be a treat to watch that unfold on the net.

StealthFan · « **Reply #226 on:** May 12, 2015, 11:21:28 PM »

Finally caught up. Last episode was eh but I am not as down as others on this season. It's not great, but neither was season 2.

Sausage · « **Reply #227 on:** May 13, 2015, 12:09:03 AM »

I feel like show watching people would have gotten really excited over adwd

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Aegon VI.
... or maybe not since they have no context of the House of Targaryen

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #228 on:** May 13, 2015, 12:17:37 AM »

I feel like there's a very real fatigue with show watchers* over new characters; "Oh Jesus, someone else for me to keep track of???" sort of thing. Think the showrunners have erred on the right side by cutting a bunch of stuff.

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*and book readers who don't have their tongues planted in Martin's anus

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king of the internet · « **Reply #229 on:** May 13, 2015, 12:16:40 PM »

Quote from: Sausage on May 13, 2015, 12:09:03 AM

I feel like show watching people would have gotten really excited over Aegon VI.
... or maybe not since they have no context of the House of Targaryen

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I think they'd be aware that another living Targaryen child is a big deal, but...they seem to be driving towards revealing Jon's parentage (Rhaegar name drops), and having not just one but two secret Targs revealed would be overkill for most imo

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #230 on:** May 13, 2015, 12:44:47 PM »

Please use spoiler tags.

adwd

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There's a rumor that Trystane will take the place of Aegon in the show, ie be a Targ pretender for Dany to face off with. Dunno if I buy it yet. Honestly I'm surprised we're 5 episodes in and there has only been two Dornish scenes

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bluemax · « **Reply #231 on:** May 13, 2015, 11:26:38 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2015, 12:44:47 PM

Please use spoiler tags.

adwd
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There's a rumor that Trystane will take the place of Aegon in the show, ie be a Targ pretender for Dany to face off with. Dunno if I buy it yet. Honestly I'm surprised we're 5 episodes in and there has only been two Dornish scenes
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I'm not surprised, nothing really happens in most of the Dornish shit in the book.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #232 on:** May 14, 2015, 09:14:56 PM »

Selmy salty. I can't blame him. Dude has some great stuff in ADWD and TWOW. I understand the TV narrative reason for offing him but still...there were better options to take.

studyguy · « **Reply #233 on:** May 14, 2015, 10:13:12 PM »

Nope. Gotta keep it thrilling for the show stans.
Same reason we now have Jaime going off on his grand adventure to fuck on his sister again for some reason.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #234 on:** May 17, 2015, 10:01:54 PM »

Walrus was right.

Tasty · « **Reply #235 on:** May 17, 2015, 10:18:03 PM »

Stuff actually happened for the first time this season. Good ep.

dkdk · « **Reply #236 on:** May 17, 2015, 10:18:53 PM »

this breh GRRM is a sick dude

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #237 on:** May 17, 2015, 10:51:47 PM »

As I've said, these guys just don't get it. They'd probably be in better position to deal with the inevitable backlash if not for that ridiculous rape scene last season, but now I fully expect the wolves to be set on them.

There is no subtlety, everything is done to the extreme or excess; so of course all the sexual stuff feels exploitative and ugly instead of displaying sexual horror in a "tasteful" way. There's a part in ACOK where Arya runs across a woman who is so damaged that the only word she can say is "no." The books are full of that type of subtlety; you don't knowwhat happened to the woman...but yet you do know. Weiss and Benioff would read that and decide it would be great idea to show why she only says no. And that has been their take on Game Of Throne since the beginning.

It reminds me of Rob Zombie's Halloween TBH, specifically the "how Michael became Michael" stuff.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #238 on:** May 17, 2015, 11:11:55 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2015, 10:01:54 PM

Walrus was right.

I wouldn't go that far... but that was gross.

toku · « **Reply #239 on:** May 17, 2015, 11:22:43 PM »

littlefinger my nicca

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