Game Of Thrones Season 5 thread of windy words

[studyguy]

Man these show runners are all about rape. 
Gotta shock them stans I guess


Also fucking lol at that sandsnakes scene.
That was tantamount to those scenes in movies where they repeat the title of the film
UNBOWED UNBENT UNBROKEN, OH FUCK WHAT HOUSE ARE WE

[Human Snorenado]

Shitty: Dorne and the rape thing

Good: most of everything else

That rape thing though... not cool.

[studyguy]

The most hilarious thing in that Dorne scene is everyone conveniently thought it was a great time to steal that girl.

Also Bronn about to get jobbed harder than Selmy in the name of shock value.

[Tasty]

"We both peddle fantasies, mine just happen to be entertaining."

"One's choice of companion is a curious thing."

Littlefinger da gawd

[Phoenix Dark]

Dorne

Let's not even address the books, and think about this purely from a show perspective. So the heir of one of the major houses in Westeros...who is walking around in the gardens of his father's castle...is somehow so alone that two dudes could sneak in and find their way to him without any trouble? Likewise, the Sand Snakes could sneak into the castle and also get to him without running into guards until the last minute?


And this goes back to the absurdity of one of the most recognizable, famous men on the continent being able to sneak into Dorne alongside one other dude to rescue a princess in broad daylight. Let's say the plan was successful. What next? Do they have a secret Lannister ship hidden somewhere? Nope. Could they find a port and ship? Maybe, but the show already established that snitches gonna snitch. It reminds me of last season with the guy who tried to capture Bran for the Boltons. What the fuck was his plan, to carry Bran over the fucking Wall? These plots are ridiculous.

[Human Snorenado]

affc/adwd

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Agreed that deviating from the book plots has so far worked really shitty this season for the two biggest examples: Dorne and Sansa. Having Sansa at Winterfell for whatever battle is about to happen there could be a good thing, but man... there was just no call for such a blatant depiction of rape. The whole Dorne thing has just been shitty from the word go, not sure what their plan there is but it sucks, that's for sure.[

However, I'll say again: the last two books are shitty source material.

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[Tasty]

Even Jaime said he was winging it.

[Tasty]

Sansa with red hair again

Get to picture her as Jean Grey in my head.

[El Babua]

Dorne

Let's not even address the books, and think about this purely from a show perspective. So the heir of one of the major houses in Westeros...who is walking around in the gardens of his father's castle...is somehow so alone that two dudes could sneak in and find their way to him without any trouble? Likewise, the Sand Snakes could sneak into the castle and also get to him without running into guards until the last minute?


And this goes back to the absurdity of one of the most recognizable, famous men on the continent being able to sneak into Dorne alongside one other dude to rescue a princess in broad daylight. Let's say the plan was successful. What next? Do they have a secret Lannister ship hidden somewhere? Nope. Could they find a port and ship? Maybe, but the show already established that snitches gonna snitch. It reminds me of last season with the guy who tried to capture Bran for the Boltons. What the fuck was his plan, to carry Bran over the fucking Wall? These plots are ridiculous.

The writers of the show are the type of dudes who don't give a crap about logic or established rules as long as it fills in the moment to moment drama. Remember Robb marrying Talisa (a Volantine noble) under the Seven? But holy crap, the Dorne stuff was cringeworthy.

As for Sansa, um yeah... it rhymes with something.

[Madrun Badrun]

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/17/game-thrones-sansa-wedding?hootPostID=cb4fb5ebb39487410ec3a66ed5fc2ba4

She sounds pretty kinky

[Phoenix Dark]

adwd/affc

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Agreed. The general idea of Sansa in Winterfell is interesting. However the idea that Littlefinger would let his most prized possession be sullied by Ramsay Bolton is insane. And no, I don't buy the idea that he has no idea who Ramsay is or what he has done; book or show, LF should know something.

In terms of Dorne....I don't get it. The rushed plot we saw today was horrible, and I can't imagine someone preferring it over the book plot. Turning Ellaria into another Dornish person obsessed with vengeance doesn't make sense, nor do the Sand Snakes make any sense. Not only haven't they done anything of worth, they all look the exact same attire wise. I liked the idea of each having a different personality, a different way to avenge their father, etc. A septa, a poison master, a big chick with a spear, etc...they were the type of party I wouldn't mind farming an ARPG with. Yet here they have no personality, no differentiating factors (outside of "hey, that one is trying to use daggers"), no nothing. And they've received all of 5 minutes of screen time over the course of 6 episodes.

It really seems like the Dornish plot simply couldn't work without Arianne - either her physically or someone else playing her role. I thought perhaps Ellaria would play that role but nah, she's just drawing up distinguished mentally-challenged plots with the Sand Snakes. I feel like the show had to come to Dorne after Oberyn's death. He was a popular character, lots of people like Dorne and it made sense to expand on the story. Whereas the Greyjoys have no connection to the show's plots, thus making their absence very logical.

BTW speaking of Dorne, Jaime's plot is worse than his AFFC arc brehs. There we get to see his character development come full circle as he learned to lead, essentially. Here he goes on a goofy quest in order to give the show a few extra action beats.

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[Tasty]

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/17/game-thrones-sansa-wedding?hootPostID=cb4fb5ebb39487410ec3a66ed5fc2ba4

She sounds pretty kinky

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

They've basically shit the bed when it comes to Dorne throughout the entire season. Everything about it seems incredibly cheesy and cheap.

[Phoenix Dark]

It's Qarth all over again.

[StealthFan]

Yeah Dorne feels like I am watching Hercules or Xena. The fight choreography is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and there is like two sets.

[studyguy]

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At least I can look forward to terrible actors shitting in the desert.

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I mean not like the showrunners aren't doing that already but...

[Phoenix Dark]

How many times will Obara Sand tell us her name is Obara Sand lmao.

[studyguy]

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Show Sansa's going to split with Theon right before Stannis shows up, isn't she?
Just this time it's going to end up happening during the battle there and prob lead into whatever the fuck they wanna do next season with her that doesn't include her actually taking charge prob

Just get to the part where she becomes a leader or whatever, they already built her up as a changed girl having faced all this adversity, taught by Littlefinger and even gave her a dumb ass bondage dress. Ooh she's strong enough to marry a psycho and fuck him, great got it D&D.  Ffs.

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[El Babua]

Yeah Dorne feels like I am watching Hercules or Xena. The fight choreography is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and there is like two sets.

Basically any area where the majority skintone isn't white make the showrunners go to the vault of cliched TV cheese.

I have quite a few issues with GRRM's orientalism, but D&D managed to surpasses him on that by being your basic cac Hollywood types.

[Shaka Khan]

How many times will Obara Sand tell us her name is Obara Sand lmao.

Like a special move straight out of Naruto.

[Tasty]

Revenge no Jutsu!

[Phoenix Dark]

[Human Snorenado]

Which reminds me- another thing lost in the (rightful) kvetching over Dorne/Sansa is that the Queen of Thorns is back, and just as awesome as ever. Cersei has really set herself up to be fucked over, gonna be enjoyable to watch.

"House Lannister has no rival."

Oh just wait.

[Human Snorenado]

Also also, last night's episode DID have the single greatest line of any tv episode, ever: "The dwarf lives until we can find a cock merchant."

[nudemacusers]

as a non-book person this show is getting kinda stale/corny. not only did the whole dorne thing look like b-tier cable work, tossing in a 'omg they couldn't!' rape scene as some weird cliffhanger was super lame. it's also a weird go-to for character development in this show. not sure why they couldn't have sansa be the aggressor in that scene for the sole purpose of establishing herself in the castle. meh.

[Steve Contra]

Arya stuff was great, Cersei stuff was great, Tyrion stuff was great, Dorne stuff was baaaaaaaaaad, and the ending was shit.

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But let's not kid ourselves that the showrunners are ruining the subtlety of a writer that had a main character burn an entire boat of sex slaves alive. 

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[Phoenix Dark]

Victarion Tha Gawd slander will not be tolerated.
 

[studyguy]

You'd think HBO could afford a decent fight choreographer.
Not asking for dudes to be flipping and shit but still...

[Steve Contra]

Stan for the worst character in all the books but be shocked when a rape happens brehs

[studyguy]

Stan for the worst character in all the books but be shocked when a rape happens brehs

Danny was fucked in the first season breh.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not shocked, in fact I'm not opposed to that happening per se. My problem is how it was set up/shot/handled/etc. Specifically doing it after Sansa seemingly turned a corner. They're essentially hammering home a point we already get and did so in an ugly way. And given the previous bad rape scenes in the show I found this one to be even more problematic.

btw, Neil Marshall back in S2:

The weirdest part was when you have one of the exec producers leaning over your shoulder, going, 'You can go full frontal, you know. This is television, you can do whatever you want! And do it! I urge you to do it!' So I was like, 'Okay, well, you're the boss.'

This particular exec took me to one side and said, 'Look, I represent the pervert side of the audience, okay? Everybody else is the serious drama side, [but] I represent the perv side of the audience, and I'm saying I want full frontal nudity in this scene.' So you go ahead and do it.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34164

yea...

[Human Snorenado]

The funny thing about that scene...

adwd

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Is that it's even worse in the books. Ramsay has Reek warm up "Sansa" (not actually Sansa in the book) and it's strongly implied the character has relations with Ramsay's dogs. So, yeah, as bad as that scene is on it's face because "rape is bad" (and it is) it's mostly bad because of the context of what show Sansa has gone through.

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[Steve Contra]

The knock against the show is they've done this before with 0 consequences or after effects.  The Jaime/Cersei scene may as well not have happened, because there has been nothing since.

Anyway, Jaime and Bronn breaking into the water garden reminded me of this Steven Seagal gem:

[Phoenix Dark]

Because the show is more interested in generating short term drama beats at any cost, than investing in character development. There's a problem when rape is nothing more than a gimmick to be trotted out to generate buzz or a cliff hanger.

[CatsCatsCats]

Welp, I haven't seen the last two episodes and might just start sitting this out.

[Steve Contra]

Folks are saying the water garden scenes are so garbage because they had almost time to film them at the Alcazar (makes sense) which would explain why they are such garbage

[studyguy]

PD prob would be too busy hanging off of Stephen Dillane's (Stannis) nuts to notice.





Anyway, this is prob what we can expect coming off of the book content. I mean if this shit keeps going the way it is, then fuck it I'm off the ride.

[Phoenix Dark]

AFFC

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Honestly I would have just cut the Sand Snakes, or just kept one. I'd have introduced Arianne and Oakheart last season, and made Ellaria a virtually nonspeaking role. I'd give Arianne and Oakheart a few romantic scenes, have tension between Oberyn and Oakheart, and then have them both go to Dorne at the end of the season. That way the Dorne arc this season would have a couple familiar faces to help introduce things, instead of having to shoehorn Jaime there. So I'd just play out Arianne's plot while also showing the tension within the country over Oberyn's death. Culminating in Oakheart getting murked by Hotah, as in the book.

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[Steve Contra]

I wish Walrus would tell us how he thinks the show would be better if him and PD worked on it.

[studyguy]

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Only thing that really bothers me is that Jaime's still out there seemingly trying to save his daughter so he can go back and hit it with Cersei. By the end of this season that bitch is gonna be in chains and I feel like it's going to turn into a save Cersei chapter in the next season. Which if it does basically flies in the face of everything Jaime is being built up as in the books. IIRC when she finally reached out to Jaime while she was locked up he was basically like lol nah. I don't see this going down in the show unless they throw some contrived reasoning about how Jaime will somehow learn what is going down and suddenly come to some conclusion that Cersei was always terrible while still in Dorne.

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[Human Snorenado]

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Only thing that really bothers me is that Jaime's still out there seemingly trying to save his daughter so he can go back and hit it with Cersei. By the end of this season that bitch is gonna be in chains and I feel like it's going to turn into a save Cersei chapter in the next season. Which if it does basically flies in the face of everything Jaime is being built up as in the books. IIRC when she finally reached out to Jaime while she was locked up he was basically like lol nah. I don't see this going down in the show unless they throw some contrived reasoning about how Jaime will somehow learn what is going down and suddenly come to some conclusion that Cersei was always terrible while still in Dorne.

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affc

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Pretty sure they've confirmed Cersei's walk of shame is in this season, so she won't end the season in chains

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[I'm a Puppy!]

The Arya scenes were the only redeeming things this last episode. First thing I've liked in this season in a good while.

Also, at the people getting angry about the whole Sansa scene. I'm like "He's Ramsay Bolton, have you not been paying attention?"

[Steve Contra]

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Only thing that really bothers me is that Jaime's still out there seemingly trying to save his daughter so he can go back and hit it with Cersei. By the end of this season that bitch is gonna be in chains and I feel like it's going to turn into a save Cersei chapter in the next season. Which if it does basically flies in the face of everything Jaime is being built up as in the books. IIRC when she finally reached out to Jaime while she was locked up he was basically like lol nah. I don't see this going down in the show unless they throw some contrived reasoning about how Jaime will somehow learn what is going down and suddenly come to some conclusion that Cersei was always terrible while still in Dorne.

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affc

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Pretty sure they've confirmed Cersei's walk of shame is in this season, so she won't end the season in chains

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I believe they had some problems with filming because the church they were filming it at objections to the scene's content, so yeah it's there.  Also just get to the fucking pit already, get stannis to Winterfell.

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[I'm a Puppy!]

Oh yeah, and who came up with that Jamie scene? THAT was some hanna-barbarra level bullshit right there. Some more along the lines of Scooby and Shaggy and less of Bronn and Jamie.

[studyguy]

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Next shocker ending is what? Arya going blind? I feel like that's it, another one is Danny flying off. Cersei walking naked and shit. How many episodes are there in this shit again?

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[Phoenix Dark]

affc

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What is Jaime's character development arc now? It's been all over the place. From him killing his cousin to raping Cersei I'm baffled by the decisions and they really just go back to the point about D&D doing whatever it takes to create a shocking or "interesting" beat. Jaime's AFFC arc is pretty damn good, and he comes full circle from a development standpoint. He's clearly no longer the man he was when he first entered the Riverlands in the first book, and his actions as a commander and politician are quite impressive.

Why not have him go to the Riverlands but also bring back the Brotherhood to create some intrigue. Jaime finishing off the war while hunting and being hunted by the Lightning Lord. They don't even need Lady Stoneheart for any of this btw; I'm fine with cutting her.

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[studyguy]

affc

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What is Jaime's character development arc now? It's been all over the place. From him killing his cousin to raping Cersei I'm baffled by the decisions and they really just go back to the point about D&D doing whatever it takes to create a shocking or "interesting" beat. Jaime's AFFC arc is pretty damn good, and he comes full circle from a development standpoint. He's clearly no longer the man he was when he first entered the Riverlands in the first book, and his actions as a commander and politician are quite impressive.

Why not have him go to the Riverlands but also bring back the Brotherhood to create some intrigue. Jaime finishing off the war while hunting and being hunted by the Lightning Lord. They don't even need Lady Stoneheart for any of this btw; I'm fine with cutting her.

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My worst fear is he's going to talk to Doran who's going to tell him some shit like SO MY TWITTER JUST BLEW UP WITH ALL THESE TERRIBLE THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN KING'S LANDING, ALL DUE TO YOUR FUCKING SISTER Then Jaime's going to come to the conclusion that Cersei was manipulating all of them while Bronn lays there dying, giving him a guilt trip about how he should have known. His daughter saying she is happy there with the prince or some shit and Doran being like

Meanwhile we're all left where wondering how the fuck Doran and Jaime are getting this info in real time.
Prob the same way LF blasts around the world on his jet

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[I'm a Puppy!]

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Honestly my money is on Jamie dying. There's no use for him anymore. Maybe give him a redemption moment for him trying to save his kid. But what's left for him to do? In fact, throw Bronn in on that too. This season is nothing if not hamfisted and I can see them being like "We don't have any more use for these guys, what should do?" "Let's kill them" "OK"

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[Steve Contra]

adwd

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Also Dorne was never going to be good without the scene of Doran revealing his long con involving Quentyn.  I mean it's the whole reason he's a bad ass, to keep that quiet fury alive for 15 years while hatching his plan.

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[Human Snorenado]

One of my bigger fears:

adwd

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Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.

...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did

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[Phoenix Dark]

adwd

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Yea but I assume they'll have some type of reveal, just with a different means to the same goal (bringing Dany to Dorne).

There are rumors that the fAegon thing is somehow connected to Dorne. Who knows. Either way I fully expect Doran to reveal a trap card of some type.

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[Steve Contra]

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Doran's reveal was one of the few things they really nailed in the last two books, outside of the pit, so it's going to be a damn shame if there isn't something for him to drop.  But hey they managed to make fan favorite The Sand Snakes into enemies from an episode of Xena where she travels to a vaguely middle eastern locale.  Damn shame.

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[Phoenix Dark]

One of my bigger fears:

adwd

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Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.

...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did

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The Hardholme fight is in ep8. What if Jon gets betrayed and stabbed after returning to the Wall in ep9 or 10. Meanwhile Stannis is injured or dies near Winterfell. Melisandre convinces Selyse to allow her to sacrifice Shireen to save Stannis. Shireen is burned/killed, Stannis doesn't revive...and instead the last shot of the finale is Jon opening his eyes, which are now blue.

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[Human Snorenado]

One of my bigger fears:

adwd

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Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.

...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did

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The Hardholme fight is in ep8. What if Jon gets betrayed and stabbed after returning to the Wall in ep9 or 10. Meanwhile Stannis is injured or dies near Winterfell. Melisandre convinces Selyse to allow her to sacrifice Shireen to save Stannis. Shireen is burned/killed, Stannis doesn't revive...and instead the last shot of the finale is Jon opening his eyes, which are now blue.

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Breh, you need to stop Stannis stanning

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[Phoenix Dark]

One of my bigger fears:

adwd

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Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.

...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did

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The Hardholme fight is in ep8. What if Jon gets betrayed and stabbed after returning to the Wall in ep9 or 10. Meanwhile Stannis is injured or dies near Winterfell. Melisandre convinces Selyse to allow her to sacrifice Shireen to save Stannis. Shireen is burned/killed, Stannis doesn't revive...and instead the last shot of the finale is Jon opening his eyes, which are now blue.

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Breh, you need to stop Stannis stanning

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acok/adwd

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"Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow."


Stannis? Somebody is coming back in the show and the books. I'd imagine Jon will be in Ghost for most of TWOW but I could definitely see Shireen being used to revive him or Stannis. King's blood.

Stannis
did you read the Theon TWOW chapter? That's my king

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[studyguy]

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Shireen being burned is gonna be it.
It's got that raping a beloved character kind of shock value to it.

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[studyguy]

I'm comfortable in watching GoT like I watch Arrow.
Knowing full well I'm getting nothing but garbage fuckery most of the time now despite it having a strong opening.

Don't worry brehs, soon enough HBO will run it into the ground and pick up a new show.

[Steve Contra]

None of this would be necessary if Martin had written better books.  At least he'll die knowing the show finished what he couldn't.

[Human Snorenado]

One of my bigger fears:

adwd

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Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.

...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did

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The Hardholme fight is in ep8. What if Jon gets betrayed and stabbed after returning to the Wall in ep9 or 10. Meanwhile Stannis is injured or dies near Winterfell. Melisandre convinces Selyse to allow her to sacrifice Shireen to save Stannis. Shireen is burned/killed, Stannis doesn't revive...and instead the last shot of the finale is Jon opening his eyes, which are now blue.

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Breh, you need to stop Stannis stanning

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acok/adwd

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"Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow."


Stannis? Somebody is coming back in the show and the books. I'd imagine Jon will be in Ghost for most of TWOW but I could definitely see Shireen being used to revive him or Stannis. King's blood.

Stannis
did you read the Theon TWOW chapter? That's my king

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I haven't ready any of the spoiler chapters, probably will after he dies without publishing the book, though

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AFFC/ADWD were a lot better than this season of the show.

Nope. Not even at all better. I can't believe you're supposed to have majored in literature or whatever it was. Your family should kill you and ask for their money back.

[Steve Contra]

What a crazy fucing mess the last two books were.  I mean there's some cool stuff in there, but honestly had he just advanced the action with a quick recap it would have been the same fucking thing.

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Tyrion's story is boring, Dany's story makes you want to kill yourself until the pit, Jaime does whatever can't really remember, there's tons of time spent on the psychotic Iron Islanders who are basically just chapter on chapter of shock scenes, Cersei, who the books have worked to make a cunning ruthless politician is just revealed to be an idiot because reasons, Arya is cool but again, fuck all happens, there's probably some other stuff I'm missing but who cares because it's not that interesting.  Great books.

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