what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions

[Human Snorenado]

• Diablo III is so damn boring.  Sorry bros.  Even the more "action-oriented" console version made me sleepy.

[Fifstar]

Perfect Dark is easily two tiers below Goldeneye (only talking about SP)

[Mr. Gundam]

Ninja Gaiden (modern series) games aren't hard. [shrug]

Goldeneye was terrible.

[bork]

bork... you are not garbage... stop acting and posting like one

Borys, I don't think you're understanding the point of this thread.   

God Hand was jank garbage and one of the worst action games I've had the pleasure of playing.

• Diablo III is so damn boring.  Sorry bros.  Even the more "action-oriented" console version made me sleepy.

[demi]

Ninja Gaiden (modern series) games aren't hard. [shrug]

ummm what? lmao. ok. master ninja over here

[bork]

Ninja Gaiden (modern series) games aren't hard. [shrug]

But did you play those on Xbox and Xbox 360 or the Sigma versions?  The latter are dumbed down, IIRC.

[Yeti]

I don't enjoy keyboard and mouse gaming. The only genres I like it in are RTS and point and click adventure games.

[cool breeze]

The GameBoy Advance sucked because it had a weak first-party lineup.

people say this because it didn't have an original mario but forget things like having two 2D metroid games, the good warioware games, etc.  it probably has the best first party of any nintendo handheld.

[bork]

The Wii had a better first-party lineup than its two predecessors.

The GameBoy Advance sucked because it had a weak first-party lineup.

YOU CRAZY MAN, YOU CRAZY

[bork]

The GameBoy Advance sucked because it had a weak first-party lineup.

people say this because it didn't have an original mario but forget things like having two 2D metroid games, the good warioware games, etc.  it probably has the best first party of any nintendo handheld.

GBA was a great little handheld.  Had both good ports and original titles from Nintendo and third parties.  Andrex is off his rocker.

[Tasty]

- No original Mario
- Suckiest Pokemon generation
- eReader shit
- Two lame Kirby games
- OoT 3D + MM 3D + ALBW >>> Link's Adventure/DX + Oracle games >>> Four Swords + Minish Cap
- Only a single Wario Land
- Shitty Mario Kart
- Murdered Yoshi's Island and DKC downports
- Super Mario Advance series rehashes, NES series rehashes, NES themed systems, worst period of nostalgia banking in Nintendo's history

[suppadoopa]

GBA was the last worthwhile Nintendo handheld
GameCube was the last worthwhile Nintendo home console
FFFVIII, FFX, & FFXIII were the best FFs from their respective eras
Ni No Kuni is boring garbage
Persona 4 is overrated
Vita > 3DS
PSP > DS
Only Treyarch makes decent CoD games
N64 had no games
FFVII is more influential than SM64
Minish Cap is the best 2D Zelda
WW is the best 3D Zelda

[Tasty]

When did Kagari join?

[Cheddahz]

- resident evil: operation raccoon city is actually dope
- final fantasy x is probably the best designed final fantasy game ever
- super smash bros is mediocre
- between crash and spyro, spyro was definitely the better game series on the playstation
- king's field > any of the souls games
- majora's mask and wind waker are the only two zelda games you should play
- gaming really hasn't been all that good since the ps2 era, but there have been some great games
- tekken 4 is probably the best tekken game
- platinum should definitely not make every single game out there, calm down fanboys
- dmc didn't ruin the series, you're just scared of change
- gtaiv is actually really dope and the first half of it's story shits all over gtav (though gtav is a better game to play)
- the only street fighter game worth playing is third strike
- tomb raider 2013 > all of the uncharted games

[I'm a Puppy!]

GBA was the last worthwhile Nintendo handheld
GameCube was the last worthwhile Nintendo home console
FFFVIII, FFX, & FFXIII were the best FFs from their respective eras
Ni No Kuni is boring garbage
Persona 4 is overrated
Vita > 3DS
PSP > DS
Only Treyarch makes decent CoD games
N64 had no games
FFVII is more influential than SM64
Minish Cap is the best 2D Zelda
WW is the best 3D Zelda

So much right and so much wrong all in one post.

edit: so much of this thread has turned out to be
 
 
rinse and repeat

[Spanky]

Fighting Game fans are bitchmade hype following high schoolers.  Especially anime stans.  Their developer of. Hoice shits on them on a daily and theyre like, "more pls"

Netherrealm, Tekken, Killer Instinct, DOA players have more passion for their scene than any of those /a/ fuckboys. 

[mormapope]

RE5 is the worst game in the mainline franchise.

Every Suda 51 produced game is excellent.

Silent Hill as a franchise has terrible gameplay/bosses but excellent storytelling.

GTA IV + expansions are the best games in the franchise, with San Andreas being a close second place.

Souls games have the worst fanbase imaginable. 

Mega Man is a boring series that has always looked ugly as fuck, soundtracks aren't that good.

Console gaming peaked creatively in 2004. Console gaming peaked mechanically around the end of last gen. Downward slope for both aspects now.

Fighting game tournies are more fun to watch than any sporting event. Esports such as LoL, Counter Strike, DOTA, are completely soulless when compared to the FGC.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Souls games have the worst fanbase imaginable. 

This is not possible while the Sonic fanbase exists.

[mormapope]

This is not possible while the Sonic fanbase exists.

I'll take gross but hilarious hentai and gross but hilarious fan fic over snobby fucks that treat their gaming interests as something significant.

[recursivelyenumerable]

* ff13 is sweet
* ff9 card game > ff8 card game
* ff7 and ff8 are both badly broken as games or stories, but are interesting for their unique late 90s multimedia texture
* for ff7, the "bad midi" sampleset the music uses is an important part of that texture
* the pointlessness of the non-boss fights that consume a huge amount of playtime is a serious and underaddressed problem with lots of classic JRPGs from the mid-90s and on, including ff6/7 and chrono trigger
* legend of mana > final fantasy adventure > secret of mana
* saga 2 / ff legend ii is one of the best RPGs of all time
* the slowdown in gradius iii is a good thing

[Cheddahz]

* ff9 card game > ff8 card game

fighting words

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

- Indie gaming is largely a bust.  95% of the games fall into four categories:

1) Twinstick shooters
2) 2D sidescrolling clones that are completely forgettable
3) Completely shitty and inane socially conscious games
4) Shitty and shameless clones of existing games that were done better but with a stupid and shitty twist that was completely unnecessary

The only reason why these games got any hype is because the developers are good buddies with game journalists.  The purported innovation and creativity is non-existent.  It's a bunch of hipster nerds sniffing each other's farts.

- Mobile gaming sucks ass outside of five minute fuck around sessions of puzzle games.  The same dorks who were laughing at waggle a decade ago are now thumbing and pawing at their phone's tiny screen where their thumb takes up 30% of the screen space, which I think is hilarious.

- This is the last console generation as we know it.  Even though sales are apparently up over last generation at this point in time, it's not enough to offset the insane budgets for games.  A solution has been to load up on indie games (especially the PS4) but if you load up on indie games, you have to wonder why people can't just play them on the PC instead.  I predict that the Xbone is Microsoft's last console.  Microsoft will continue the Xbox brand but it will become a social media/online streaming platform.  In this instance, you plug in a USB stick into a TV or a PC that connects to a wireless Xbox controller and let's you play various Xbox games and use Xbox exclusive services.  Over time, the Xbox name will become increasingly irrelevant, Microsoft will eventually roll the Xbox services into a new product/service entirely, and by 2025, nobody under 20 will remember what an Xbox is.  Nintendo will have new consoles in a traditional sense as we know them now.  Sony will keep the PS4 going as long as possible and there won't be a PS5.  The PS4 will likely last 8-10 years though so ending its run by 2022-2023 isn't that bad.  Nintendo ultimately will win out in the end because they're able to continue to con 15-20 million adults with fond nostalgic memories of Nintendo, providing just a small enough niche to keep chugging along.  Iwata and Co. will keep trying to recapture the lightning in the bottle they had with the Wii and will fail every time because their previous Wii audience isn't going to move away from their tablets and smartphones.

- The PS2 is the best console ever.  It was a perfect blend of quantity, quality, and creativity that we will never see again.

- Bioware was shit, Bioware is shit, and Bioware will always be shit.  Remember how their name got plastered on everything EA did in 2011-2012?  Good times.

- I wish Tim Schafer fucked off forever.  I almost got that with Brutal Legend but somehow he weaseled his way back into semi-relevancy.

- After 15 years of complacency, Nintendo has finally started to make good console games again.  I guess losing hundreds of millions of dollars over several years will do that to you.  The Wii U falling flat on it's ass lit a fire under Nintendo's.  When Nintendo was making good money, they turned into the laziest sacks of shit ever.  They will instantly go back to that the minute things turn around for them.

- I hate playing games online.  I don't care to play against 13 year olds, autists who play the game 8 hours a day every day over the course of months, or anyone who has any kind of emotional investment in the game other than a minimal amount.

Edit: I was half awake when making the original post.

[recursivelyenumerable]

* ff9 card game > ff8 card game

fighting words

it is contrarian now but will be the conventional wisdom in 10 years. i can wait.

[I'm a Puppy!]

- Indie gaming is largely a bust.  95% of the games fall into four categories:

1) Twinstick shooters
2) 2D sidescrolling clones that are completely forgettable
3) Completely shitty and inane socially conscious game.
4) Shitty and shameless clones of existing games that were done better but with a stupid and shitty twist that was completely unnecessary

The only reason why these games got any hype is because they're buddies with game journalists.  The purported innovation and creativity is non-existent.  It's a bunch of hipster nerds sniffing each other's farts.

- Mobile gaming sucks ass outside of five minute fuck around sessions of puzzle games.  The same dorks who were laughing at waggle are thumbing and pawing at their phone's tiny screen where their thumb takes up 30% of the screen space is hilarious.

- This is the last console generation as we know it.  Even though sales are apparently up over last generation, it's not enough to offset the insane budgets.  If you load up on indie games, you have to wonder why people can't just play on the PC instead.  I predict that the Xbone is Microsoft's last console.  The Xbox brand will continue but it will become a social media/online streaming platform.  So you plug in a USB stick into a TV or a PC that connects to your wireless Xbox controller and let's you play various Xbox properties.  Over time, the Xbox name will become increasingly irrelevant and by 2025, nobody under 20 will remember what an Xbox is.  Nintendo will have a new console in a traditional sense.  Sony will keep the PS4 going as long as possible and there won't be a PS5.  The PS4 will likely last 8-10 years though so being done by 2022-2023 isn't that bad.  Nintendo ultimately will win out in the end because they're able to continue to con 15-20 million adults with fond nostalgic memories of Nintendo, providing just a small enough niche to keep chugging along.  Iwata and Co. will keep trying to recapture the lightning in the bottle they had with the Wii and will fail every time because their previous Wii audience isn't going to move away from their tablets and smartphones.

- The PS2 is the best console ever.  It was a perfect blend of quantity, quality, and creativity that we will never see again.

- Bioware was shit, Bioware is shit, and Bioware will always be shit.  Remember how their name got plastered on everything EA did in 2011-2012?  Good times.

- I wish Tim Schafer fucked off forever.  I almost got that with Brutal Legend but somehow he weaseled his way back into semi-relevancy.

- After 15 years of complacency, Nintendo has finally started to make good console games again.  I guess losing hundreds of millions of dollars over several years will do that to you.  The Wii U falling flat on it's ass lit a fire under Nintendo's.  When Nintendo was making good money, they turned into the laziest sacks of shit ever.  They will instantly go back to that the minute things turn around for them.

- I hate playing games online.  I don't care to play against 13 year olds, autists who play the game 8 hours a day every day over the course of months, or anyone who has any kind of emotional investment in the game other than a minimal amount.

I don't have a problem with any of this post.

[Eel O'Brian]

- Even though I have an older gaming PC, I don't much see the point in building a new one or even upgrading nowadays. If all the "Big Budget games are dead" stuff is true, then what's the point of building some smoking rig? There's not going to be anything out there that takes advantage of that SLI powersucker, right? If you're just gonna be throwing money into an open grave, why even bother? So you can play this year's games maxed out three years from now? So you can play the latest 16-bit metroidvania knockoff at 4400p? Who gives a shit?  If the predictions come true, just buy a fucking laptop, in a couple of years the IGPUs in those will run just about anything out there. I mean, if you're laughing about AAA or big money gaming dying while at the same time you just dropped $300+ on a graphics card, you're kind of an idiot.

[Madrun Badrun]

Killer 7 is a 2/10 game

[Human Snorenado]

Killer 7 is a 2/10 game

Killer 7 isn't even a game

[Tasty]

Killer 7 is a 2/10 game

Killer 7 isn't even a game

Far, far more of a game than The Order.

[Rahxephon91]

Killer 7 is a 2/10 game

Killer 7 isn't even a game

Far, far more of a game than The Order.

That's incorrect.



Nice music though.

[tiesto]

When did Kagari join?

I was convinced suupadoopa was a Rahx alt for the longest time.

Anyways:

-Half Life 2 is a few creative ideas expanded on for unimaginable lengths of time
-Suikoden 2 is amazing, but when it comes to contemporary RPG series, the Wild Arms series on the whole is better than the Suikoden series
-The last good FF was 9
-FF on the whole is one of the weaker RPG series. I prefer DQ, SMT, Ys and of course Phantasy Star to it.
-The N64 was the weakest of the Nintendo consoles
-The GBA was the weakest of the Nintendo handhelds
-GOG is the best way to purchase PC games - no DRM and you don't have to use the shitty ass Steam client. Polacks
-Last of Us wasn't my favorite game, but it's a step up from the majority of linear cover shooters (Uncharted, Gears, etc) - at least there's some semblance of resource management and other 'gamey' elements in there
-I'm genuinely interested in the rumored Battletoads game, even if its almost assuredly gonna be garbage
-The original Battletoads isn't a bad game by any means, and that bike stage isn't as hard as everyone thinks (the rest of the game though...)
-Naughty Dog should quit trying to ape Hollywood and go back to whimsy mascot platformers
-99.9% of retro-themed indie games don't hold a candle to the games they were influenced by
-Mass Effect 1 was a mess of a game but it was still much more interesting than 2 and 3
-PS2's RPG library is a bit overrated, I rate the SNES and PS1's much higher
-VR won't take off the way everyone thinks it will... at least for games. Non-gaming uses (medical and military in particular) are where its at.
-I like my games to be one-and-done. Pay a flat rate, play for X hours, and be done. No games-as-a-service (ironically I develop a SaaS product for a living), not a fan of excess DLC either.
-Wind Waker's art style is ugly and its dungeons/overworld are some of the weakest in the whole series.
-Witcher is probably the best modern western RPG series, while Ultima is the best classic.
-I have no idea how the hell Bethesda's games pass QA. (I did run into a person who worked for Bethesda QA at a rave, so that explains what they are doing instead of testing)
-WiiU is home to some of Nintendo's best first-party titles in years.
-The original Kid Icarus is so much better than Uprising... the original may be crap but at least didn't aggravate my carpal tunnel.
-Crafting systems and loot systems are OK once in a while (provided they're balanced properly), but shouldn't be superfluously shoved into every single game ever just because.
-I am not into quick, 5 minute 'time waster' games... if I have a few minutes downtime I'll just check out Facebook or a news app or something. If I'm going to play a game, I will make time for it, and thus usually play for at least an hour or two at a time.
-I've also been having way more fun going on the hunt for retro games, and playing these games with friends.
-Sega Master System's default sound is much better than the FM module music. (this is a test to see if Aeana is lurking on here)
-Apart from the DQ remakes and Radiant Historia, PSP had a better library than the DS.
-I agree with nearly every one of Mary Tyler Whore's points

[I'm a Puppy!]

When did Kagari join?

I was convinced suupadoopa was a Rahx alt for the longest time.

You mean it's not?

[Rahxephon91]

When did Kagari join?

I was convinced suupadoopa was a Rahx alt for the longest time.

You mean it's not?

I mean I don't agree with most of these.

GBA was the last worthwhile Nintendo handheld-There are no worthwhile Nintendo Handhelds and if they are it's the 3ds
GameCube was the last worthwhile Nintendo home console-The GCN is terrible. The Wii has Xenoblade.
FFFVIII, FFX, & FFXIII were the best FFs from their respective eras-Sure, but thats only because there's only XIII, but XII and IX are great.
Ni No Kuni is boring garbage-Boring, but not garbage.
Persona 4 is overrated-P4 is still pretty good. The fanbase is the problem.
Vita > 3DS-The Vita sucks.
PSP > DS-Sure thanks to the PSP's incredible later years.
Only Treyarch makes decent CoD games-All the CoD's are the same to me.
N64 had no games-Star Fox.
FFVII is more influential than SM64-Don't care about SM64
Minish Cap is the best 2D Zelda-Don't give a fuck about Zelda
WW is the best 3D Zelda-All of Zelda is the same to me.

[benjipwns]

Tower Defense is the best genre. Especially any genre blends on it ala Sanctum or Orcs Must Die.

[Positive Touch]

old 2d wrpgs suck because i hate d&d 2.0

[recursivelyenumerable]

"thac0" is such a ridiculous acronym I just can't hate. plus all that chainmail bikini art omg

[Cerveza mas fina]

There is no Taco Bell in Poland anymore though, there used to be one in Warsaw in the early 90's.

[archnemesis]

Unless they've expanded recently there are almost no Taco Bell restaurants in Europe. Last time I checked you could only find them on Iceland and in Madrid. They serve pretty crappy fast food and if you're craving for Mexican food then you're better off going to a real restaurant.

[Tasty]

Killing dudes in games got old two generations ago. Would love to have a AAA game without gameplay 90% focused on killing dudes.

[Your Stalker]

Modding Bethesda games is more fun than actually playing them.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Modding Bethesda games is more fun than actually playing them.

Nah. But playing modded Bethseda games is more fun than playing Bethseda games.

[Steve Contra]

Mario 64 is a shitty game.

[Mr. Gundam]

Ninja Gaiden (modern series) games aren't hard. [shrug]

But did you play those on Xbox and Xbox 360 or the Sigma versions?  The latter are dumbed down, IIRC.

I played the first one on the Xbox and that's mainly where my confusion comes from. I think there was one section that I died a couple times, but it's always seemed like the frustrated rage towards this game was totally overblown. It's a fun, challenging game. That's it.

[Tasty]

Killing dudes in games got old two generations ago. Would love to have a AAA game without gameplay 90% focused on killing dudes.

#ShitNinthingsSay

Killing dudes is the Chin Down, Eyes Up of primary game mechanics.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Killing dudes in games got old two generations ago. Would love to have a AAA game without gameplay 90% focused on killing dudes.

#ShitNinthingsSay

Nah man he's right.

It's been done to death by now. Killing a battalion's worth of dudes is just meh by now.

[I'm a Puppy!]

And yet throwing balls to catch cartoony creatures beyond the age of 12 isn't? 

A man's gotta have his fap material.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Street Fighter sucks.

Mortal Kombat sucks.

Tekken Sucks.

Virtual Fighter is

[Tasty]

And yet throwing balls to catch cartoony creatures beyond the age of 12 isn't? 

That's one series man. At its most prolific, that's one game* a year. Then you look at this:



Only two games where the story isn't just a flimsy excuse to kill hundreds of dudes. Much variety, such wow.

Then you take into account this has been the status quo since the late 90's and man, it's feels like games haven't evolved at all. I'm not saying all shooters should go away, but fuck, even someone other than Nintendo giving it a shot would be welcome at this point. With the gaming media constantly reinforcing that M-rated shooters are the only GOTY-worthy material it's no wonder to me we have GamerGate.

*Two versions but whatevs.

[Tasty]

You kill in Zelda, same in Mario. 

Just cause it's more fantastical and isn't real doesn't change that. Hell, most killing in games is fantastical and not real as well. I guess you can not kill in most stealth games if you were going for a new kill run. But otherwise most killing has been a part of games as soon as games got popular.

"Primary game mechanic." You don't play Mario just to jump on Goombas. What's the reason to play Assassin's Creed? (Hint: it's in the fucking title, lol.)

[demi]

You kill in Zelda, same in Mario. 

Just cause it's more fantastical and isn't real doesn't change that. Hell, most killing in games is fantastical and not real as well. I guess you can not kill in most stealth games if you were going for a new kill run. But otherwise most killing has been a part of games as soon as games got popular.

"Primary game mechanic." You don't play Mario just to jump on Goombas. What's the reason to play Assassin's Creed? (Hint: it's in the fucking title, lol.)

Underage alert. Go play Assassins Creed and come back. Hint: You barely do whats in the fucking title, lol.

[mormapope]

Almost every Nintendo franchise revolves around conflict, with combat and trying not to die or being made a bitch being the main sources of conflict. Smash Brothers is one of the Nintendo's biggest IPs and it revolves around beating the shit out of every Nintendo character. Mario Kart is about throwing weapons at other drivers, road rage.

If you make combat and confrontation more realistic or muted, you get boring shit like Shenmue 1. If the creators don't give a fuck and go all out, you get Yakuza.

[Tasty]

I can see getting tired of genres, but beating enemies is a big part of a lot of genres, franchises, and styles.

That's more to my point, AAA gaming should be more creatively diverse from that. Compare the diversity at the Oscars to any GOTY award show. It's time for gaming to grow up, and until it does the userbase won't.

[I'm a Puppy!]

You kill in Zelda, same in Mario. 

Just cause it's more fantastical and isn't real doesn't change that. Hell, most killing in games is fantastical and not real as well. I guess you can not kill in most stealth games if you were going for a new kill run. But otherwise most killing has been a part of games as soon as games got popular.

"Primary game mechanic." You don't play Mario just to jump on Goombas. What's the reason to play Assassin's Creed? (Hint: it's in the fucking title, lol.)

Underage alert. Go play Assassins Creed and come back. Hint: You barely do whats in the fucking title, lol.

That reminds me. Assassin's Creed is ass.

[Great Rumbler]

I can see getting tired of genres, but beating enemies is a big part of a lot of genres, franchises, and styles.

That's more to my point, AAA gaming should be more creatively diverse from that. Compare the diversity at the Oscars to any GOTY award show. It's time for gaming to grow up, and until it does the userbase won't.

Life is Strange

[cool breeze]

speaking of killing in zelda, and this is coming from a huge zelda dork:  no zelda game has good combat

[mormapope]

Videogames have also replaced action movies, action movies haven't been the same since the 80's and 90's.

[I'm a Puppy!]

That might be why videogame stories are a lot like an 80s b movie script.  And yes, that includes tlou

[Tasty]

It's clear I have the most controversial gaming opinion of the thread. I win.

[brob]

Ardently Held Controversial Gaming Opinion #1: biggest problem with the video game industry is the poor working conditions (uncompetitive pay, exhausting work hours, laughable job security, needing highly specialized educations, etc.). This also is evident in the products that are put out in that, in the name of polish, everything seems to coalesce into something that could have been made by any developer (as opposed to bearing the mark of having been developed by these specific individuals).

Ardently Held Controversial Gaming Opinion #2: Video games are probably the most vapid form of entertainment available so it strikes me as particularly pathetic when nerds gets bent out of shape about how video games are moving to cellphones or whatever other development in the zeitgeist that shifts the center of attention from the specific basement dwelling nerd who is at home on message boards. 

[mormapope]

The franchise with the most entertaining stories took the most badass character from the 80's

[Joe Molotov]

I like playing as empowered female characters that are fighting to destroy masculinity.