Author Topic: Superhero Fanboys Annihilated (Read 6028 times)

milchs evil twin · « **on:** July 19, 2015, 08:23:52 AM »

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"To my mind, this embracing of what were unambiguously children's characters at their mid-20th century inception seems to indicate a retreat from the admittedly overwhelming complexities of modern existence," he wrote to Ó Méalóid. "It looks to me very much like a significant section of the public, having given up on attempting to understand the reality they are actually living in, have instead reasoned that they might at least be able to comprehend the sprawling, meaningless, but at-least-still-finite 'universes' presented by DC or Marvel Comics. I would also observe that it is, potentially, culturally catastrophic to have the ephemera of a previous century squatting possessively on the cultural stage and refusing to allow this surely unprecedented era to develop a culture of its own, relevant and sufficient to its times."

Where is your Thor now

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jan/21/superheroes-cultural-catastrophe-alan-moore-comics-watchmen

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:32:03 AM »

Comic book movies have long since overstayed their welcome. I kind of thought (read: wished) they'd be gone about five years ago.

milchs evil twin · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:35:34 AM »

Of course this smells of "Old man re-interprets current trend as sweeping indictment of current society", but whatever. I kinda like the theory.

toku · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:36:57 AM »

He isn't just talking about the movies though.

milchs evil twin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:40:10 AM »

Quote from: toku on July 19, 2015, 08:36:57 AM

He isn't just talking about the movies though.

Right. Title adjusted.

chronovore · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:59:42 AM »

Is that really Alan Moore or a stock photo of a rhododendron?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2015, 10:57:48 AM »

He's basically making the stock internet argument that Hollywood is lame because they just keep making sequels and reboots, only directing it a comic book movies specifically and using longer words.

Rufus · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2015, 11:20:29 AM »

It's weird to see him lament escapism when that's why he started writing in the first place.

brob · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2015, 11:26:52 AM »

this interview is old as fuck though

Kara · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2015, 11:30:46 AM »

Superheroes are a bourgeois conceit.

Purrp Skirrp · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2015, 11:40:03 AM »

My GF @ Spy screening was like, "ant man? They must be running out of ideas"

And I said, "no, actually Ant-Man is an already established Marvel series---," but stopped and realized she was right

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2015, 12:11:56 PM »

Quote from: toku on July 19, 2015, 08:36:57 AM

He isn't just talking about the movies though.

He's talking about trap, too.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2015, 12:15:01 PM »

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 19, 2015, 08:32:03 AM

Comic book movies have long since overstayed their welcome. I kind of thought (read: wished) they'd be gone about five years ago.

Nah, despite a saturation in comic book movies, there are still quite a few characters and properties that haven't been adapted yet and therefore will be "new" to the general movie-going audience. I'd say that the next decade will continue to be really good for comic movies. The real problem is when Marvel and DC run out of properties that haven't yet been adapted, and they either have to start making new characters [which is unlikely] or rebooting B-tier and C-tier characters that weren't really all that popular the first time around. Stuff like Batman and Spider-Man will keep going, though, because they've got broader appeal and larger fanbases, but it'll likely be the end of the good times.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2015, 12:27:43 PM »

I can only hope that one day my beard is that majestic

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2015, 04:44:48 PM »

Quote from: Vularai on July 19, 2015, 11:30:46 AM

Superheroes are a bourgeois conceit.

unlike zombie movies, which are a racist nihilist's conceit

Trent Dole · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2015, 06:18:17 PM »

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on July 19, 2015, 04:44:48 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 19, 2015, 11:30:46 AM
Superheroes are a bourgeois conceit.

unlike zombie movies, which are a racist nihilist's conceit

Hm, I came to the conclusion that Zombie movies were thinly veiled hatred for old people some time ago (Slowly lumbering incoherent half dead? Yeah, that's grandma alright), but you are also correct!

Kara · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2015, 06:20:29 PM »

tbh any apocalyptic fiction has to prove it isn't nihilistic, especially since the overwhelming majority of them completely dispense with anything resembling society. (Exemplified by The Walking Dead where a society is an antagnoist.)

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2015, 06:32:42 PM »

it's straight-up martrydom to sociocultural xenophobia, the apotheosis of all conservativism my sheeple brehs

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2015, 06:33:02 PM »

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on July 19, 2015, 04:44:48 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 19, 2015, 11:30:46 AM
Superheroes are a bourgeois conceit.

unlike zombie movies, which are a racist nihilist's conceit

is that why all the tolerable black people keep dying on Walking Dead

Trent Dole · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2015, 06:36:28 PM »

Black man original man first to arrive first to die

toku · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:33:46 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2015, 12:11:56 PM

Quote from: toku on July 19, 2015, 08:36:57 AM
He isn't just talking about the movies though.

He's talking about trap, too.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:44:03 PM »

Mainstream corporate culture is just catching up to the wealth of fiction they thought wouldn't sell for shit in movie form. They packaged the stories as blockbuster fanfare. So that's what most of them will be.

I'm too busy catching up on old movies and diving into brit detective tv series to really give a shit.

tiesto · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2015, 10:29:25 PM »

Yeah, I thought the trend was gonna slow down but it looks like it's gonna go full steam for at least a few years longer:

Huff · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2015, 11:53:41 PM »

I usually just want to watch a dumb action movie when I watch movies. Bring on more comic book shit and Jurassic world raptor training

pilonv1 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 20, 2015, 09:17:06 PM »

How many Fantastic 4 reboots is this now? Seems like 4-5

Himu · « **Reply #25 on:** July 20, 2015, 09:23:53 PM »

SPIDER-MAN'S MOST FAMOUS STORIES WERE WHEN HE WAS AN ADULT.

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT HIGH SCHOOL SPIDER-MAN.

PLEASE.

Himu · « **Reply #26 on:** July 20, 2015, 09:32:08 PM »

Ultimate Spider-Man is GOOD though.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #27 on:** July 20, 2015, 09:49:39 PM »

Quote from: tiesto on July 19, 2015, 10:29:25 PM

Yeah, I thought the trend was gonna slow down but it looks like it's gonna go full steam for at least a few years longer:

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Talk about oversaturation...

Of all of those, the only ones I'm genuinely excited for are Deadpool, Age of Apocalypse, and kinda sorta to see what Benadryl Pumpkinpatch does as Dr. Strange.

tiesto · « **Reply #28 on:** July 20, 2015, 09:54:58 PM »

I'd watch a Miles Morales Spiderman movie.

VomKriege · « **Reply #29 on:** July 20, 2015, 11:53:29 PM »

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on July 19, 2015, 09:32:28 AM

You mean to tell me that Alan Moore, a guy who fetishizes superheroes and anything related to comics, is criticizing others for doing the same? I for one am shocked.

I love the dude, but it's hard to take him seriously here.

I agree that superhero movies are getting out of hand though.

Comics were a mistake, it's nothing etc
It all seems so omnipresent, but down the line a lot of it will be probably filtered down.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #30 on:** July 21, 2015, 12:28:31 PM »

Once Ghost Rider made over 100 million, I saw the writing on the wall. Decades of comic book movies.

bork · « **Reply #31 on:** July 21, 2015, 12:34:04 PM »

He's just mad that Hollywood is making movies based on his stories without his permission or whatever.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #32 on:** July 21, 2015, 02:12:28 PM »

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on July 21, 2015, 01:50:15 PM

I'd love a good Ghost Rider movie. Shit won't be happening though.

Tell me about it. Fucking Nic Cage.

VomKriege · « **Reply #33 on:** July 21, 2015, 04:58:30 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on July 21, 2015, 12:34:04 PM

He's just mad that Hollywood is making movies based on his stories without his permission or whatever.

I think he genuinely do care, and I think he actually did sign permissions and all back then (admittedly because he tought nothing would come of it). And well, all of the adaptations of his work pretty much vindicated him. Must be pretty bad to see your work being transformed into shallow mediocre shadows of their source. He actually ask for his name to be taken off from the Watchmen film and gave his money to Dave Gibbons, so I don't think he can even fall under the accusation of "hypocrisy".

He's an old man yelling at clouds, but I think he can get some slack.

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benjipwns · « **Reply #34 on:** July 21, 2015, 05:15:11 PM »

Remember that time both he and Sean Connery got roped into a League of Extraordinary Gentleman movie?

And Sean Connery quit acting because of it.

Kara · « **Reply #35 on:** July 21, 2015, 05:18:56 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 05:15:11 PM

Remember that time both he and Sean Connery got roped into a League of Extraordinary Gentleman movie?

And Sean Connery quit acting because of it.

The best movie that has a car chase in Venice, Italy. Dare you to prove me wrong.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #36 on:** July 21, 2015, 06:18:22 PM »

i'm trying to think what comic book movies I've ever even seen. uh, Ghost World? Does Nausicaa count? And I dimly remember maybe seeing Jack Nicholson Batman as a kid. that's about it afaicr.

chronovore · « **Reply #37 on:** July 21, 2015, 06:26:02 PM »

Moore's a writer. He has elevated and transformed comics through his participation in the medium. The maturity and intellect he applied to Swamp Thing started a trend so strong that it has, unfortunately, had knock-on effects which permeate 99% of the comics on the market.

Dude has a strong personality and strong opinions, which he is welcome to. His comics are consistently amazing, so respect the art even if you're not 100% on board with the artist.

benjipwns · « **Reply #38 on:** July 21, 2015, 06:42:05 PM »

Would hiring David Goyer and J.J. Abrahms to make a film adaption of his Supreme run be a form of assisted suicide?

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