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[Phoenix Dark]

Even when democrats didn't support gay marriage, Hillary was less supportive of gay shit than many. That's partially why Obama was so much more popular than her with gay people in 2007.

I guess the current wave of gay love for Hillary is another case of gay men stanning women who aren't that talented 

[Mods Help]

PD has to be lgbt because of his read game. He has to be. Boy can reaaaaad like



He's one of us, I know it.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Told him all that BBC porn would turn him.

[thisismyusername]

I guess the current wave of gay love for Hillary is another case of gay men stanning women who aren't that talented 

  :'(

But no, really: Anyone that has seen the Clinton's policies (Bill or hers) should know they don't really have minorities interests in mind. And really, Hillary has had a weird gay fanbase since 2007. I seriously, seriously do not get those folks. I guess they want a return to Bill era (which is understandable in a way... I guess...), but really: Hillary is not Bill 2.0.

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169867

Undertale bringing the tears yet again. 

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169867

Undertale bringing the tears yet again. 

someone explain the tears for the non-nerds pls

[stufte]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169867

Undertale bringing the tears yet again. 

Because it sucks. 

[mormapope]

A indie game is getting attention from both critics and regular dudes. Some people feel hurt or conflicted that they don't like it nearly as much as the people that do, so they lash out and get angry at positivity.

Same type of deal happened with Gone Home. With Undertale, its a full fledged game at the very least, instead of oscar bait: videogame edition.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169867

Undertale bringing the tears yet again. 

someone explain the tears for the non-nerds pls

REAL GAMERZ salty because SJW/indie hero Undertale is reaping all the praise and awards that should rightfully be going to Shoot Bang of Duty VII: The Witcher's Fallout.

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169867

Undertale bringing the tears yet again. 

someone explain the tears for the non-nerds pls

Indie game goes viral.  Gets a ton of praise and develops a big fanbase.  It's currently in the backlash phase due to constant praise and popularity.

Game is awesome though so it's w/e. 

[stufte]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169867

Undertale bringing the tears yet again. 

someone explain the tears for the non-nerds pls

Indie game goes viral.  Gets a ton of praise and develops a big fanbase.  It's currently in the backlash phase due to constant praise and popularity.

Game is awesome though so it's w/e. 

It's legitimately and objectively not a 10.0 game. It's mediocre at best and does nothing new.

[mormapope]

It feels like the majority of great indie games are still disposable like the trash tier indie games. The only difference is great indie games get attention drawn to them for a few months.

Like, has anyone replayed Paper's Please or something like Gone Home/Stanley Parable after the initial hour long binge?

[Jansen]

Undertale sucks

I haven't played it but I know it sucks

[stufte]

It feels like the majority of great indie games are still disposable like the trash tier indie games. The only difference is great indie games get attention drawn to them for a few months.

Like, has anyone replayed Paper's Please or something like Gone Home/Stanley Parable after the initial hour long binge?

Papers Please? Nope, it was fun for the few hours I played it.

Stanley Parable? I played the shit out of that, need to find every variant ending. But I dig those kinds of games so yah. 

[Mods Help]

Love it.

"Indie games are only side scroller trash"

Indie games that aren't side scrollers come out to be well received.

"Nothing but indie trash"

I guess Undertale needs to have a pointlessly large open world, quest checklists, and quest markers to be appealing to most game players.

[mormapope]

It's heavily influenced by Earthbound when it comes to humor, and I think Earthbound is really meh as a whole. It has a conversation system in battle like Shin Megami Tensei games, but its far more limited when it comes to conversing.

Its not a bad game, but its definitely something that isn't for me personally.  I have absolutely nothing against it as a game or the people that like it.

[Jansen]

Undertale fans get butthurt so easily

[Mods Help]

I haven't even played Undertale.

Just stating facts.

[mormapope]

I'd also add that it looks like a million other RPG Maker type of games out there. Not in a identical sense, but in a moment to moment gameplay and visual styling sense.

A lot of people that love Undertale probably don't know those free games exist though 

I played this a couple of years ago after reading about it:
http://kotaku.com/5922089/this-perverse-sex-rpg-is-stimulating-but-not-in-the-way-that-youd-think

[thisismyusername]

stufte: Dennis Leary...

(Okay, admittedly I haven't seen his 80's stuff. Just his Rescue Me era.)

[stufte]

stufte: Dennis Leary...

(Okay, admittedly I haven't seen his 80's stuff. Just his Rescue Me era.)

Yah I added him after the fact. But my point still stands that Louis CK isn't that shocking even compared to 80's comedy.

[Joe Molotov]

It feels like the majority of great indie games are still disposable like the trash tier indie games. The only difference is great indie games get attention drawn to them for a few months.

Like, has anyone replayed Paper's Please or something like Gone Home/Stanley Parable after the initial hour long binge?

I stopped replaying games when I entered the 5th grade and could make enough money mowing lawns to buy more than one game a year. 

[mormapope]

It feels like the majority of great indie games are still disposable like the trash tier indie games. The only difference is great indie games get attention drawn to them for a few months.

Like, has anyone replayed Paper's Please or something like Gone Home/Stanley Parable after the initial hour long binge?

I stopped replaying games when I entered the 5th grade and could make enough money mowing lawns to buy more than one game a year. 

So you're either a hoarder of games or play a handful of games throughout the year but don't beat any of them.

Sounds like a Gaffer's life of gaming.

 

EDIT: Or you're playing a ton of short indie games. Either way, indie games are usually terrible when it comes to replayability or depth.

[brob]

Love it.

"Indie games are only side scroller trash"

volgarr the viking

Spelunky

Kero Blaster 

[Oblivion]

I guess the current wave of gay love for Hillary is another case of gay men stanning women who aren't that talented 

(Image removed from quote.)

  :'(

But no, really: Anyone that has seen the Clinton's policies (Bill or hers) should know they don't really have minorities interests in mind. And really, Hillary has had a weird gay fanbase since 2007. I seriously, seriously do not get those folks. I guess they want a return to Bill era (which is understandable in a way... I guess...), but really: Hillary is not Bill 2.0.

Bill tried to allow gays to serve in the military.

[Mods Help]

Saying indie games aren't replayable is an odd statement to make considering that many indies - notably mobile indie games - base their entire game design around replayability. Games like Downfall, Crossy Road, Pacman 256, Spelunky, 1001 Death, VVVVV, and Meat Boy being pretty good examples off the top of my head.

There's an entire genre on mobile - endless games - that base their entire core concept on replayability and unlocking new skills/characters/abilities to get a bit further the next go. That's exactly why I play em. Getting a bit further each time reminds me of the old arcade days.

What an odd and ignorant statement, and I barely buy new games.

[mormapope]

I agree with Wrath when it comes down to it. A lot of games in general don't offer the best or right incentives to keep playing. Replayability to me is my total playtime with a game, how many hours I end up investing in it. That might not be the typical definition, but its the one that makes sense personally.

The incentives for replaying something is personal, replayability will never be a catch all phrase. I realize that now after this conversation. Platformers, or endless mobile games, no matter what upgrades or character unlocks there are, have little to no replayability for me. 

If I had to make a list of my favorite indie games:

FTL
Hotline Miami
Jazz Punk
Experiment 12
Mount Your Friends
Lethal League

Can't remember anything else but I've played a lot of free indie games or indie games still in development.

[Mods Help]

That's because most games are disposable. Unfortunate truth.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Lol why replay games there is so many out there I cant even play all of it

Replayability is something I never think about when buying a game

Except Diablo

[mormapope]

Lol why replay games there is so many out there I cant even play all of it

Except Diablo

Does this rule apply only to videogames, or TV shows and movies as well?

If so, 

I wonder if there's someone out there that only listens to a song or album once, even though they really enjoyed listening

 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Dont start comparing games to songs or movies cause 

Games are games

[mormapope]

What's good is good, and I'm gonna keep doing it, no matter what it is
 

[Bebpo]

I only watch movies/tv shows once for 99% of the time, same with games, same with books.  Way too much good stuff out there, so not really interested in spending time on something I already know the story of. 

Music is different because it's music, I'm not going to try to explain it.

[mormapope]

I have a pretty repetitious mindset with a lot of media. I've seen The Sopranos in its entirety probably around six or seven times. Six Feet Under three or four times, The Shield three or four times. I've seen Terminator 1&2 a dozen times each. I've seen Goodfellas five or six times, Casino four or five times.

I love seeing something and seeing new things I didn't pick up. Try to interpret things differently or see things differently compared to the last viewing. Try to appreciate the smaller details or ponder what the director, writers, or editors were thinking or intended.

For me, the story doesn't matter nearly as much as the execution. Understanding why and how is what makes media great for me. 

I'd say most people do fall into the category of seeing something once and wanting to move onto something else.

[Mods Help]

I don't get the appeal of always going to the next big thing. Reflecting on things helps you try to understand the media you consume, and I find that to be pretty important. Using media as something to just use to let the dull moments pass life by sounds pretty boring, but that's just me. I'm not saying you should be rewatching/re-read/replay everything, but the idea that you've experienced everything that something has to offer on only one go sounds completely (and I hate to say this) uncultuered in every sense of the word. I don't want this to turn into an art argument, but it essentially makes any and all media, no matter its ability to convey itself as art, as something to be consumed and tossed away.

It's a mindset I simply do not understand, and as a potential content creator, it makes even less sense.

Then again, I watched 2001 once a day for three days straight just to study its cinematography and use of visual storytelling.

Understanding the process - HOW things are made, and how they're made WELL - is equally as interesting as consuming them.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Sure just do what you want to do, it's your time and everyone should do what they feel like with it.

I get your point Mods Help, but not everything has to be analyzed, some things are just to pass time and have a laugh or some thrills. I like to rewatch some comfort series and movies (I mean I watched the Departed again for the 5th time prob last month when it was on telly cause its so good) , but as Bebpo says there is so little time and there is a lot of stuff out there that I would like to experience. 

Maybe I had dull moments in my life a few years ago, but with a full time job, school and a kid my media consumption is not about dicking around and passing gazillions of hours like it is for teen/twenty something students and singles, it's a way to relax and rest.

Sure we might do some armchair analysis with my wife while watching, but we're not gonna rewatch something 7 times to dig deeper into the movie or show. Ain't nobody got time for that.

I am very happy that there are people that do rewatch and analyze, so that I can read a nice and concise article/review now and again that will give me more insight.

[archie4208]

All this indie game discussion and nobody mentions Isaac? 

[Cerveza mas fina]

git gud

[Alcoholic Fish]

I thought Gunpoint was really good, albeit incredibly short.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I admit I was wrong about undertale. It's actually not that bad. Don't know if I buy into the whole "BEST GAME EVAR!!" but it's not bad.

[tiesto]

Not a Meat Boy fan, I don't like the whole super difficult but lots of checkpoints type of gameplay it has... I felt that when I played and beat a challenging board, it was due to the stars aligning more so than my mastery of the level design and mechanics. Also I didn't particularly like the slippery controls. Much prefer any of the Marios, even the weaker entries (NSMB series) to it.

Undertale... still need to play it, only thing is my "1 RPG at a time" rule and XenoX is taking up the bulk of my gaming free time for the foreseeable future. It's next on the list! Why do people say it's a "SJW" game? Because of the tumblr fanbase or is it heavily politicized? All I know about it is that there's multiple endings based on how many enemies you kill, it seems to be influenced a LOT by Earthbound, and there's bullet hell elements in battle.

Spelunky.. what is this? My girlfriend teased me because I never heard of it when she asked me (a coworker of hers plays it). The name makes me think of the NES kusoge Spelunker, which I hate

[zomgee]

I remember trying two indie games. Super Meat Boy and Gunpoint. Both are garbage.

I usually don't give a shit what people think, but when I see people say Super Meat Boy is superior to Super Mario Bros 3, I tend to get a bit testy.

You take their opinion and set a mental reminder that this person is a tryhard edgy goofball. Then you remind yourself that better is subjective and it's not even the same type of game.

Then continue beating off on Amiibo.

[octopushover]

undertale is only mediocre if you read everything about it before you play it. i heard it was great and bought it and experienced it without any preconceptions of what i was in for, and it was a great experience that made me want to replay it differently.

so i guess basically stop being sperglords and just play games instead of reading about them.

reminds me of the devin faraci article about the revenant. the dude hated it because he approached it like a project instead of a film. i'll never understand this "research EVERYTHING before experiencing it" mindset.

[king of the internet]

Gamers really are the worse type of person. 

[Mods Help]

Not a Meat Boy fan, I don't like the whole super difficult but lots of checkpoints type of gameplay it has... I felt that when I played and beat a challenging board, it was due to the stars aligning more so than my mastery of the level design and mechanics. Also I didn't particularly like the slippery controls. Much prefer any of the Marios, even the weaker entries (NSMB series) to it.

Undertale... still need to play it, only thing is my "1 RPG at a time" rule and XenoX is taking up the bulk of my gaming free time for the foreseeable future. It's next on the list! Why do people say it's a "SJW" game? Because of the tumblr fanbase or is it heavily politicized? All I know about it is that there's multiple endings based on how many enemies you kill, it seems to be influenced a LOT by Earthbound, and there's bullet hell elements in battle.

Spelunky.. what is this? My girlfriend teased me because I never heard of it when she asked me (a coworker of hers plays it). The name makes me think of the NES kusoge Spelunker, which I hate

Spelunky? Amazing game. Buy download a demo of it, I think it's on ps4 now. I haven't seen a ps4 demo, so just buy it. Trust me on this. It's a rouge like platformer. It owns.

[mormapope]

For Super Meat Boy, something shitty is they changed the music for the PS4 version, due to music copyright stuff I believe.

[archie4208]

DannyB refused to license his music for the PS4 version.

He's on bad terms with Edmund due to drama or something.

[qq more]

I knew a bit of Undertale before playing it (still am, playing it at a pretty slow pace lol), I'm glad I didn't get the whole thing spoiled on me. It's actually a good game personally. Not the best game ever, although I can sort of see that kind of appeal. It's definitely overhyped however.

Saying indie games aren't replayable is an odd statement to make considering that many indies - notably mobile indie games - base their entire game design around replayability. Games like Downfall, Crossy Road, Pacman 256, Spelunky, 1001 Death, VVVVV, and Meat Boy being pretty good examples off the top of my head.

There's an entire genre on mobile - endless games - that base their entire core concept on replayability and unlocking new skills/characters/abilities to get a bit further the next go. That's exactly why I play em. Getting a bit further each time reminds me of the old arcade days.

What an odd and ignorant statement, and I barely buy new games.

Undertale also encourages you to replay it, if you want multiple endings and do the true pacifist run.

Why do people say it's a "SJW" game? Because of the tumblr fanbase or is it heavily politicized? All I know about it is that there's multiple endings based on how many enemies you kill, it seems to be influenced a LOT by Earthbound, and there's bullet hell elements in battle.

It's because you can go through the game without killing anyone and that some characters aren't straight. Therefore it's an EVIL SJW MADE TO SUPPORT ANITA!!!!!

In other words: Gamers are homophobic trash.

[Tasty]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=192064115&postcount=53

 

[stufte]

Dogs have the right to have balls!

[mormapope]

It's always going to be random how your dog grows up and their temperament.

I had a gigantic black lab that had his nuts, was a sweety. Only issues would arise when other balled up dogs saw him.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=192064115&postcount=53

 

[Alcoholic Fish]

It's always going to be random how your dog grows up and their temperament.

I had a gigantic black lab that had his nuts, was a sweety. Only issues would arise when other balled up dogs saw him.

This is the only issue I've seen with unneutered dogs so far. Shit, my spayed pup is more aggressive than most dogs I know with balls intact.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1170060

 

[Tasty]

Neutering your animal is a public good. I can understand not doing it due to cost or logistics, but taking a stand against it or using anecdotal excuses is unacceptable IMO. But that's just me.

[mormapope]

Neutering your animal is a public good. I can understand not doing it due to cost or logistics, but taking a stand against it or using anecdotal excuses is unacceptable IMO. But that's just me.

Eh, its about what you want out of your dog more than anything else.

http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/health/articles/neutering-male-dog.html

http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/health/articles/spaying-female-dog.html


People shouldn't be pressured to decide whats right for their dog based on public shame or ridicule.

More often than not, the majority of dogs from an animal shelter have already been neutered/spayed. If someone shells out a lot of cash for a dog, I see no issue with them deciding what happens to the genitals.

[nachobro]

Neutering your animal is a public good. I can understand not doing it due to cost or logistics, but taking a stand against it or using anecdotal excuses is unacceptable IMO. But that's just me.

eh cost isn't even a good excuse. most cities will give out free or super cheap spay/neuters. if you can't afford that, you can't afford a pet. only reason to keep your pet intact is if you plan to breed it.

[Mods Help]

one time my roommate had a pit bull and he wasn't snipped. I asked him about getting him neutered and he was like "how would you feel if someone took your dick?"

In hindsight...

But anyways, he got all personal and shit about it, like giving his dog and neuter operation is worse than death and would take away from his dogs manliness because he deserves to fuck like anyone else. Weird.

Pitbull owners.

[Mods Help]

I want to see gamers pronounce Louis Vuitton.

[Steve Contra]

Neuter and spay your fucking dogs jesus some people.