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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9840 on: December 23, 2015, 05:09:23 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1161501

http://i.imgur.com/f4GkXj1.jpg

Is this Mauricio_Magus's shopping list?

Waiting for the inevitable but I buy condoms/dinner post since that thread is already full of dumb

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9841 on: December 23, 2015, 05:15:39 PM »
If I ever had a son I thought it would be cool to name him Charlemagne.

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« Reply #9842 on: December 23, 2015, 05:34:00 PM »
Wait, did they make Ramsey intelligent in the show?

Him and his 20 men fucked over the most gifted military man in the books... :doge

You know for all Stannis's military expertise we don't get shown shit lol...he just gets owned.

STANNIS GETTIN JOBBED BY A HANDFUL OF DUDES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WITH TORCHES, last season was

 :trash / 5

Also I don't understand how people get so defensive about a music streaming service. Like you pay them money to do the shit you want. If the service doesn't cut it, swap over or don't w/e. I mean I like Google Play, but if they rose the price on me I'd bounce.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9843 on: December 23, 2015, 05:40:00 PM »
i still just pirate music from the internet

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« Reply #9844 on: December 23, 2015, 05:56:28 PM »
Google Play Music :aah

Free YouTube Red :leon

Grandfathered $8/month pricing :preach

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9845 on: December 23, 2015, 06:13:32 PM »
Nerds remind me of hipsters, except their stunted world view thinks that the world acts out just like an 80's John Hughes movie where there's only nerds, girls, and jocks and no one else.

mate, your post history is there for everyone to see. you're fooling noone.

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« Reply #9846 on: December 23, 2015, 07:47:15 PM »
Why do nerds think they're unique? Star Wars is slated to bring in Disney 5 billion in merch sales - no movie tickets - alone this year.

Yet somehow, on some planet, Star Wars is only for nerds?
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« Reply #9847 on: December 23, 2015, 07:53:53 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1161545

Everyone getting mad about an e-celeb's "Arbitary" gaming awards. Tis the season (The seasoning is salt)  :doge

Dawg gettin in' before Horse Armor, tho'  :delicious

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190294713&postcount=62

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9848 on: December 23, 2015, 08:00:59 PM »
wew lad I was gonna post that.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9849 on: December 23, 2015, 09:01:31 PM »
Nerds remind me of hipsters, except their stunted world view thinks that the world acts out just like an 80's John Hughes movie where there's only nerds, girls, and jocks and no one else.

mate, your post history is there for everyone to see. you're fooling noone.

I'm not the one who thinks they're a special snowflake for consuming a mass product.

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« Reply #9850 on: December 23, 2015, 09:14:06 PM »
but if bloodborne comes to pc then they won't be able to code it to the metal...

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9851 on: December 24, 2015, 12:17:52 AM »
I won't believe Hillary is a true nerd until she mentions her favorite anime.   :expert

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« Reply #9852 on: December 24, 2015, 12:23:31 AM »
I won't believe Hillary is a true nerd until she mentions her favorite anime.   :expert

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9853 on: December 24, 2015, 02:50:00 AM »
Nerds remind me of hipsters, except their stunted world view thinks that the world acts out just like an 80's John Hughes movie where there's only nerds, girls, and jocks and no one else.

mate, your post history is there for everyone to see. you're fooling noone.

Yeah I never understood the anti-nerd attitude I sometimes see 'round these parts (or GAF). We're all here posting at a video game board... or a spinoff of a video game board. We're all at least a bit nerdy (I'll readily admit to being one... even if I'm not into the typical nerd stuff like Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter/Marvel).
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9854 on: December 24, 2015, 04:44:35 AM »
What wife would agree to Galahad


Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9855 on: December 24, 2015, 05:38:41 AM »
Every dork believes they're higher up on the nerd food chain.

The Star Wars nerds feel superior to Trekkies, who feel superior to video game nerds, who feel superior to comic nerds, who feel superior to Magic: the Gathering nerds, who feel superior to Warhammer nerds, who feel superior to anime nerds, who feel superior to LARPers, who feel superior to furries who feel superior to nobody.

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« Reply #9856 on: December 24, 2015, 06:16:40 AM »
Every dork believes they're higher up on the nerd food chain.

The Star Wars nerds feel superior to Trekkies, who feel superior to video game nerds, who feel superior to comic nerds, who feel superior to Magic: the Gathering nerds, who feel superior to Warhammer nerds, who feel superior to anime nerds, who feel superior to LARPers, who feel superior to furries who feel superior to nobody.

Furries recently got Undertale so they are probably feeling pretty good for now.

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« Reply #9857 on: December 24, 2015, 06:22:04 AM »
Every dork believes they're higher up on the nerd food chain.

The Star Wars nerds feel superior to Trekkies, who feel superior to video game nerds, who feel superior to comic nerds, who feel superior to Magic: the Gathering nerds, who feel superior to Warhammer nerds, who feel superior to anime nerds, who feel superior to LARPers, who feel superior to furries who feel superior to nobody.

Furries recently got Undertale so they are probably feeling pretty good for now.

Not on the inside. Never that.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9858 on: December 24, 2015, 06:56:20 AM »
Every dork believes they're higher up on the nerd food chain.

The Star Wars nerds feel superior to Trekkies, who feel superior to video game nerds, who feel superior to comic nerds, who feel superior to Magic: the Gathering nerds, who feel superior to Warhammer nerds, who feel superior to anime nerds, who feel superior to LARPers, who feel superior to furries who feel superior to nobody.

I agree.  Nerd warz are dorks who often like to forget that they're at the bottom of society's social totem pole.  While they try to agonizingly fight over Star Wars vs. Star Trek, 95% of society is saying "fuckin nerds"
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« Reply #9859 on: December 24, 2015, 10:34:48 AM »
I'm getting excited for the annual "I hate Christmas/Who else is spending Christmas alone" threads.  So much sadness and bitterness.

The wait is over.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1161734

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« Reply #9860 on: December 24, 2015, 10:49:32 AM »
I'm getting excited for the annual "I hate Christmas/Who else is spending Christmas alone" threads.  So much sadness and bitterness.

The wait is over.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1161734

Dats it mane

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« Reply #9861 on: December 24, 2015, 11:27:48 AM »
Nerds remind me of hipsters, except their stunted world view thinks that the world acts out just like an 80's John Hughes movie where there's only nerds, girls, and jocks and no one else.

mate, your post history is there for everyone to see. you're fooling noone.

Yeah I never understood the anti-nerd attitude I sometimes see 'round these parts (or GAF). We're all here posting at a video game board... or a spinoff of a video game board. We're all at least a bit nerdy (I'll readily admit to being one... even if I'm not into the typical nerd stuff like Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter/Marvel).

I don't see why it's so shocking given that nerd culture is what helped birth gamergate. There's having interests and enjoying talking about it and then there's the culture surrounding it. Both are completely different things. The idea that only nerds like Star Wars is tied to nerd culture. Liking video games isn't. The idea that there's "true nerds" is a part of nerd culture. The idea of mass consuming products and thinking it makes you cultured is a part of nerd culture. Nerds thinking they're a special exclusive club for liking things like LOTR or Star Wars, properties that have made millions and billions, and that they're the only ones that truly get it is a part of nerd culture.

I reject the idea that liking ______ or even talking about _______ makes you a nerd, especially in today's landscape where it's something practically everyone does. When everyone's a nerd, no one's a nerd. So the label feels pointless.

As for me, I generally don't like their culture and the way it conducts itself and I'm not sure why I should just because I like comics or something. As if identifying with a culture just because you like ______ isn't weird and totally isn't something most people stopped doing past high school anyways.

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/10/the_plight_of_the_bitter_nerd_why_so_many_awkward_shy_guys_end_up_hating_feminism
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« Reply #9862 on: December 24, 2015, 11:32:50 AM »
I'm just here for the dankmemes
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« Reply #9863 on: December 24, 2015, 11:38:22 AM »
this whole conversation and construct feels like an 80s/90s anachronism. i don't really get it anymore. i am a weirdo but in my own idiosyncratic fashion.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9864 on: December 24, 2015, 11:54:08 AM »
Studyguy was right
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« Reply #9865 on: December 24, 2015, 11:58:57 AM »
I'm just here for the dankmemes

Aren't we all

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« Reply #9866 on: December 24, 2015, 02:06:31 PM »
Oh look, Karl Hawk is having another emotional breakdown because people are criticizing The Witcher.

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« Reply #9867 on: December 24, 2015, 02:22:26 PM »
I'm getting excited for the annual "I hate Christmas/Who else is spending Christmas alone" threads.  So much sadness and bitterness.

The wait is over.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1161734

They're so damn predictable!  Probably the same people that try to convince others that Die Hard really is their favorite Christmas movie.  Also, who is this infinite bento sad sack and the GAF romance they're referring to?

She was with Horse Detective.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9868 on: December 24, 2015, 02:38:30 PM »
Nerds remind me of hipsters, except their stunted world view thinks that the world acts out just like an 80's John Hughes movie where there's only nerds, girls, and jocks and no one else.

mate, your post history is there for everyone to see. you're fooling noone.

Yeah I never understood the anti-nerd attitude I sometimes see 'round these parts (or GAF). We're all here posting at a video game board... or a spinoff of a video game board. We're all at least a bit nerdy (I'll readily admit to being one... even if I'm not into the typical nerd stuff like Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter/Marvel).

I don't see why it's so shocking given that nerd culture is what helped birth gamergate. There's having interests and enjoying talking about it and then there's the culture surrounding it. Both are completely different things. The idea that only nerds like Star Wars is tied to nerd culture. Liking video games isn't. The idea that there's "true nerds" is a part of nerd culture. The idea of mass consuming products and thinking it makes you cultured is a part of nerd culture. Nerds thinking they're a special exclusive club for liking things like LOTR or Star Wars, properties that have made millions and billions, and that they're the only ones that truly get it is a part of nerd culture.

I reject the idea that liking ______ or even talking about _______ makes you a nerd, especially in today's landscape where it's something practically everyone does. When everyone's a nerd, no one's a nerd. So the label feels pointless.

As for me, I generally don't like their culture and the way it conducts itself and I'm not sure why I should just because I like comics or something. As if identifying with a culture just because you like ______ isn't weird and totally isn't something most people stopped doing past high school anyways.

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/10/the_plight_of_the_bitter_nerd_why_so_many_awkward_shy_guys_end_up_hating_feminism

Well I think there are many different layers of being a 'nerd' and whatnot. I mean I got routinely picked on while growing up for - skipping a grade and generally doing well academically / being horrible at and not having any interest whatsoever in sports / being cripplingly shy to even approach a girl / discuss minutia about obscure music/games/anime. And even today I work in that most stereotypical of 'nerd' jobs. Though I don't really feel the need to make a 'culture' out of it, I was always a bit more of a loner but I can emphathize with people who want to feel like they belong to something. It's cool bonding over something few know about.

I also understand how people feel angst at 'outsiders' coming in to their hobby... the mainstream commercial juggernaut tends to water down stuff that may be a bit more 'challenging' and those who originally liked the stuff have a bit more trouble finding those more intricate/challenging things. But I also argue this can be healthy in the long run for those core people... once mainstream interest in something dies out, there will always be a few people who may have gotten interested during its commercial apex and decide to stay on... these people fuel the underground. We have seen this with everything from old PC RPGs (how many people who funded Pillars of Eternity would have never gotten into western RPGs if it wasn't for Fallout 3 and Bioware's games? Probably a sizeable amount), to dance music time and time again.

Took a read through the Arthur Chu article, seems rather anecdotal and in my own experience, most of my 'nerd' peers are feminist or just like 'whatever', not pro-MRA anti-feminist. Then again, at least with my own failures with women for years, I never blamed anything other than my own shyness/awkwardness/unattractiveness and the fact I wasn't able to find many who were a good fit for me personality-wise.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #9869 on: December 24, 2015, 02:39:00 PM »
Oh look, Karl Hawk is having another emotional breakdown because people are criticizing The Witcher.

I remember when The Witcher was a niche as fuck RPG with a lot of jank, and then it became a much better but still sorta niche not as janky RPG. Now with The Witcher 3, its gained a really annoying fanbase.

The Witcher fanbase before 3 wasn't bad.
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« Reply #9870 on: December 24, 2015, 02:43:37 PM »
I also understand how people feel angst at 'outsiders' coming in to their hobby... the mainstream commercial juggernaut tends to water down stuff that may be a bit more 'challenging' and those who originally liked the stuff have a bit more trouble finding those more intricate/challenging things.

I'd say that's a budget issue way more than an audience issue. Back in other gens a game selling one or two million copies meant that game was a huge success, the size of the audience could be much lower and the dev can keep making games they see fit.

Gaming grew in a way that isn't sustainable for fans of certain franchises, mostly.
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« Reply #9871 on: December 24, 2015, 02:50:43 PM »
"Outsider" stuff lol

Nothing like being a nerd before some assholes were even born but actually not one because women don't count

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« Reply #9872 on: December 24, 2015, 03:09:27 PM »

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« Reply #9873 on: December 24, 2015, 03:12:11 PM »
Got thread back on front page

Nerds love them some rape how dare you "take it away"

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« Reply #9874 on: December 24, 2015, 03:36:02 PM »
Nerds remind me of hipsters, except their stunted world view thinks that the world acts out just like an 80's John Hughes movie where there's only nerds, girls, and jocks and no one else.

mate, your post history is there for everyone to see. you're fooling noone.

Yeah I never understood the anti-nerd attitude I sometimes see 'round these parts (or GAF). We're all here posting at a video game board... or a spinoff of a video game board. We're all at least a bit nerdy (I'll readily admit to being one... even if I'm not into the typical nerd stuff like Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter/Marvel).

I don't see why it's so shocking given that nerd culture is what helped birth gamergate. There's having interests and enjoying talking about it and then there's the culture surrounding it. Both are completely different things. The idea that only nerds like Star Wars is tied to nerd culture. Liking video games isn't. The idea that there's "true nerds" is a part of nerd culture. The idea of mass consuming products and thinking it makes you cultured is a part of nerd culture. Nerds thinking they're a special exclusive club for liking things like LOTR or Star Wars, properties that have made millions and billions, and that they're the only ones that truly get it is a part of nerd culture.

I reject the idea that liking ______ or even talking about _______ makes you a nerd, especially in today's landscape where it's something practically everyone does. When everyone's a nerd, no one's a nerd. So the label feels pointless.

As for me, I generally don't like their culture and the way it conducts itself and I'm not sure why I should just because I like comics or something. As if identifying with a culture just because you like ______ isn't weird and totally isn't something most people stopped doing past high school anyways.

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/10/the_plight_of_the_bitter_nerd_why_so_many_awkward_shy_guys_end_up_hating_feminism

Well I think there are many different layers of being a 'nerd' and whatnot. I mean I got routinely picked on while growing up for - skipping a grade and generally doing well academically / being horrible at and not having any interest whatsoever in sports / being cripplingly shy to even approach a girl / discuss minutia about obscure music/games/anime. And even today I work in that most stereotypical of 'nerd' jobs. Though I don't really feel the need to make a 'culture' out of it, I was always a bit more of a loner but I can emphathize with people who want to feel like they belong to something. It's cool bonding over something few know about.

I also understand how people feel angst at 'outsiders' coming in to their hobby... the mainstream commercial juggernaut tends to water down stuff that may be a bit more 'challenging' and those who originally liked the stuff have a bit more trouble finding those more intricate/challenging things. But I also argue this can be healthy in the long run for those core people... once mainstream interest in something dies out, there will always be a few people who may have gotten interested during its commercial apex and decide to stay on... these people fuel the underground. We have seen this with everything from old PC RPGs (how many people who funded Pillars of Eternity would have never gotten into western RPGs if it wasn't for Fallout 3 and Bioware's games? Probably a sizeable amount), to dance music time and time again.

Took a read through the Arthur Chu article, seems rather anecdotal and in my own experience, most of my 'nerd' peers are feminist or just like 'whatever', not pro-MRA anti-feminist. Then again, at least with my own failures with women for years, I never blamed anything other than my own shyness/awkwardness/unattractiveness and the fact I wasn't able to find many who were a good fit for me personality-wise.

The problem for me isn't latching on to things you to have a sense of place. That's pretty fucking normal, to want to find something that gives you enjoyment and to share that enjoyment. The problem for me is more about the people that make ____ , whether it's Star Wars or Game of Thrones or vidya and turn it into an insular cultural identity. We've seen what happens when things "threaten" their identity or culture. We had Gamergate, and it's not just that either. It's the Silicon Valley. It's the entire "fake nerd" thing, or the whole thought process that makes nerds out to be as superior to others because of their choice in entertainment or because they get good grades. It's the whole "fake gamer girl" thing. It's the toxic culture that surrounds the vapid consumerism. Nerd, like gamer, to me, is now a damaged goods term. You may say that the Arthur Chu article is anecdotal, and maybe it is, but that doesn't change the fact the face of nerd culture is a brewing, violent entity that's the face of that culture they claim to represent. None of this changes Jennifer Hepler being sent rape and death threats because of comments she made about RPGs. None of it takes away from the Jade Raymond/Assassin's Creed situation almost ten years back.

I find it no coincidence that less and less game players are willing to describe themselves as gamers. I wouldn't find it surprising less and less people who have "nerdy interests" are becoming less and less willing to describe themselves as nerds. To me, it's the same coin, different side.

A lot of people act like nerd culture doesn't merit criticism because "they've paid their dues, they've been made fun of their whole lives" or whatever. And I disagree.

In any case, to your original question: how come there's more and more people on here and on gaf hating on nerds? Much like anti-gamer sentiment, it's been brewing for some time.

http://www.avclub.com/article/simon-pegg-worried-our-obsession-nerd-culture-infa-219672

Read that and then read the GoT rape thread on gaf.
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« Reply #9876 on: December 24, 2015, 03:44:23 PM »
I also think that this is a great opportunity to dispel the whole "i've been playing violent games my whole life, and I'm fine!" thing. Maybe not all game players are mass murdering psychopaths, but it's not coincidental that insular cultures bred around mass violence use such violent language (death/rape threats) or cosign such violence - such as the GoT thread - as being "normal". No, you're not fine.

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« Reply #9877 on: December 24, 2015, 04:04:12 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190347302&postcount=436

Good old fashioned ether.

The ether isn't as good as it could be because StevieP is one of the most bitter, disillusioned ninthings on the forum. The guy literally posts nothing but super passive aggressive console war bullshit. He's one of those ninthings who broke mentally when the Wii U flopped, lol.

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« Reply #9878 on: December 24, 2015, 04:07:26 PM »
Got thread back on front page

Nerds love them some rape how dare you "take it away"

And GOT rape of all things. All of that shit was completely worthless. It added nothing to the story or the characters. I remember first reading through the part where Drogo rapes Daenerys and just  :snoop'ing at the awkward and embarrassing way Martin wrote that scene.

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« Reply #9879 on: December 24, 2015, 04:10:52 PM »
You sure you read it? Drogo doesn't rape Dany in the book.

She puts his hand on her wet coochie, signaling to fuck the shit out of it.

The real crime with the book is Dany's age, which is like 12 or some shit. That's where you should be shaking your head at Martin.

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« Reply #9880 on: December 24, 2015, 04:29:33 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190347302&postcount=436

Good old fashioned ether.

The ether isn't as good as it could be because StevieP is one of the most bitter, disillusioned ninthings on the forum. The guy literally posts nothing but super passive aggressive console war bullshit. He's one of those ninthings who broke mentally when the Wii U flopped, lol.


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« Reply #9881 on: December 24, 2015, 04:41:49 PM »
You sure you read it? Drogo doesn't rape Dany in the book.

She puts his hand on her wet coochie, signaling to fuck the shit out of it.

The real crime with the book is Dany's age, which is like 12 or some shit. That's where you should be shaking your head at Martin.

her being like 12 + her brother forcing her to get with drogo (he even beat her right beforehand iirc) so they could use his army or some shit doesn't count as rape to you? it was at the very least nonconsentual and i dont remember the bolded at all so maybe i could be misremembering things

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« Reply #9882 on: December 24, 2015, 04:52:28 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190347302&postcount=436

Good old fashioned ether.

The ether isn't as good as it could be because StevieP is one of the most bitter, disillusioned ninthings on the forum. The guy literally posts nothing but super passive aggressive console war bullshit. He's one of those ninthings who broke mentally when the Wii U flopped, lol.

Nothing says logical well-adjusted individual like scorched earth wishing an entire industry go down in flames because your product of choice didn't do well.

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« Reply #9883 on: December 24, 2015, 05:09:57 PM »
You sure you read it? Drogo doesn't rape Dany in the book.

She puts his hand on her wet coochie, signaling to fuck the shit out of it.

The real crime with the book is Dany's age, which is like 12 or some shit. That's where you should be shaking your head at Martin.

her being like 12 + her brother forcing her to get with drogo (he even beat her right beforehand iirc) so they could use his army or some shit doesn't count as rape to you? it was at the very least nonconsentual and i dont remember the bolded at all so maybe i could be misremembering things

Viserys' goal was definitely to have her lose her virginity in the wedding consummation no matter what. Viserys will do anything to get his army. This, the story makes clear. But while Viserys doesn't care if she's raped or not, and a consummation against her will would definitely be rape, Dany gives full consent to Drago during the actual act, giving her power - especially over Viserys' wishes. Remember Viserys would have "an whole army of Dothraki " have her body if it meant he got his army. But none of that happens. Viserys' wishes doesn't change the fact that Dany gives consent and wasn't forced to give that consent either. It was her own decision, which is what matters, not what Viserys wanted.  This is contrasted heavily with Sansa's marriage to Tyrion, who refuses to make the marriage "official" because it would go against her will. Dany gives full consent in the book. The show making it a rape is another case of the show needlessly relying on it with no actual narrative value because a few episodes later we see Dany staring at herself smiling during the act anyways. In the show, her rape is glossed over. Another example of shit, lazy writing.

My main point of contention is her age. Wtf Martin.

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« Reply #9884 on: December 24, 2015, 05:34:22 PM »
Just gonna link this thread next time ya'll start bitching about anime or the Vita. "She's 12 y/o so it's a bit questionable, but she consented so whatevs...greatest pop-culture franchise of the past 25 years."
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« Reply #9885 on: December 24, 2015, 05:39:54 PM »
Yulwei, I think your problem is the fact that, although she says yes when asked, she probably would have had her virginity lost even if she said no? I can agree with that.

Just gonna link this thread next time ya'll start bitching about anime or the Vita. "She's 12 y/o so it's a bit questionable, but she consented so whatevs...greatest pop-culture franchise of the past 25 years."

Is Game Of Thrones raising the ages of the characters censorship? :smug :heh
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« Reply #9886 on: December 24, 2015, 05:48:01 PM »
Yes.. the impression I remember getting was that Drogo was going to force himself on her anyhow. Plus you add that to the fact that her brother was threatening her/forcing her to get married and all that.

And yeah the part that bothered me most was the fact she was just a kid and martin was going into quite a lot of detail during that scene... completely unnecessary.
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« Reply #9887 on: December 24, 2015, 05:53:05 PM »
Yeah, he was so detailed about it and she's a 12 year old or something.

I'm not sure if Drogo would force her. He probably would, but my interpretation of the character is a hard warrior who despite all of those he's killed, is truly tender and caring. The fact he asks Dany for her permission says a lot about his character and it's clear why she falls in love with him. On the other hand, he's Dothraki and he may make it his goal to do it no matter what.

At the very least, from a storytelling pov, it's obvious why she ends up caring for him in the book. I can't say the same for the show. I'm sold into marriage and was raped by this dude, he's my light and love! Okay, writers.

On the other hand, Dany's a young teenager. :kobeyuck

No matter what happens in that scene on either piece of media, we all lose. :snoop

Apparently she's 13 in the book, so it's not much better. :lol

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« Reply #9888 on: December 24, 2015, 05:54:17 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190364184&postcount=261
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190365383&postcount=274
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190365698&postcount=276

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all this drama b/c he can't deal with people talking shit on his fav videogame :neogaf

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« Reply #9889 on: December 24, 2015, 05:56:00 PM »
Speaking of canonical ages, can we discuss how sexy Ellie in the last of us would be if only she were 18?  :doge

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« Reply #9890 on: December 24, 2015, 05:56:59 PM »
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« Reply #9892 on: December 24, 2015, 06:21:33 PM »
Hey assholes, I'm still only on season 2 of GoT.  :maf

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« Reply #9893 on: December 24, 2015, 06:27:20 PM »
GRRM is a creepazoid, but a tasteful one :expert

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« Reply #9894 on: December 24, 2015, 06:27:39 PM »
Hey assholes, I'm still only on season 2 of GoT.  :maf
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« Reply #9895 on: December 24, 2015, 06:55:20 PM »
I haven't watched GOT at all

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« Reply #9896 on: December 24, 2015, 07:33:45 PM »
I also understand how people feel angst at 'outsiders' coming in to their hobby... the mainstream commercial juggernaut tends to water down stuff that may be a bit more 'challenging' and those who originally liked the stuff have a bit more trouble finding those more intricate/challenging things.

I'd say that's a budget issue way more than an audience issue. Back in other gens a game selling one or two million copies meant that game was a huge success, the size of the audience could be much lower and the dev can keep making games they see fit.

Gaming grew in a way that isn't sustainable for fans of certain franchises, mostly.

That's the big problem. Nothing gets a sequel unless it becomes a huge franchise. I'm thinking through the games I've gotten this year and every one of them is a 5+ year old franchise. They're good games but it doesn't feel like I'm discovering anything new.

You sure you read it? Drogo doesn't rape Dany in the book.
She puts his hand on her wet coochie, signaling to fuck the shit out of it.

The real crime with the book is Dany's age, which is like 12 or some shit. That's where you should be shaking your head at Martin.
her being like 12 + her brother forcing her to get with drogo (he even beat her right beforehand iirc) so they could use his army or some shit doesn't count as rape to you? it was at the very least nonconsentual and i dont remember the bolded at all so maybe i could be misremembering things

Viserys' goal was definitely to have her lose her virginity in the wedding consummation no matter what. Viserys will do anything to get his army. This, the story makes clear. But while Viserys doesn't care if she's raped or not, and a consummation against her will would definitely be rape, Dany gives full consent to Drago during the actual act, giving her power - especially over Viserys' wishes. Remember Viserys would have "an whole army of Dothraki " have her body if it meant he got his army. But none of that happens. Viserys' wishes doesn't change the fact that Dany gives consent and wasn't forced to give that consent either. It was her own decision, which is what matters, not what Viserys wanted.  This is contrasted heavily with Sansa's marriage to Tyrion, who refuses to make the marriage "official" because it would go against her will. Dany gives full consent in the book. The show making it a rape is another case of the show needlessly relying on it with no actual narrative value because a few episodes later we see Dany staring at herself smiling during the act anyways. In the show, her rape is glossed over. Another example of shit, lazy writing.

My main point of contention is her age. Wtf Martin.

Okay first of all let me just say it is wrong to ask your preteen child to get married and have sex, but there's nothing wrong with depicting that as a normal event in a medieval society.  Lucrezia Borgia got married at the same as Daenerys for instance. If you were a woman, your life was probably a bit unpleasant.

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« Reply #9897 on: December 24, 2015, 07:41:45 PM »
Well yeah. Because it happened doesn't justify Martin being a creep and going into vivid details of 13 years being fucked.

No pedo. :brazilcry

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« Reply #9898 on: December 24, 2015, 07:59:24 PM »
Dude sounds like a creepy perv using characters and times and machiavellian power struggles as justification to write some real fucked up stuff. There is depicting events then there is going into lurid detail about the shit he apparently does.  :doge

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« Reply #9899 on: December 24, 2015, 08:02:41 PM »
Dude sounds like a creepy perv using characters and times and machiavellian power struggles as justification to write some real fucked up stuff. There is depicting events then there is going into lurid detail about the shit he apparently does.  :doge

Synopsis from westeros wiki :doge

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Drogo sets a fast pace, saying nothing. Daenerys tries to rid herself of her fear by remembering she is the blood of the dragon and the dragon is never afraid. It is full dark when they stop at a grassy place beside a small stream. Drogo swings off his horse and lifts her down from hers. She feels fragile in her wedding silks. She begins to weep, but Drogo says "No," and wipes her tears away. She asks questions but all Drogo says is “No.” He starts softly murmuring to her in Dothraki to soothe her. Drogo sets her down on a rock and sits facing her, then starts removing the bells from his hair, and Daenerys helps. Then he indicates that she should unbraid his hair, which takes a long time. Then Drogo undresses her, with tenderness, and caresses her until she is ready for him. When he bares her breasts, she covers herself with her hands but Drogo gently pulls her hands away. After he finishes undressing her, he watches her for a while. Then he begins to touch her face and hair. It seems like hours to Daenerys before his hands go to her breasts. This makes Daenerys breathless, and when he seats her on his lap and asks “No?” she moves his hand inside her and says “Yes.”

Reminder that she's 13.