The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[studyguy]

In this moment, I am esoteric. Not because of any social media validation. But because, I am enlightened by my rarity.

[qq more]

Convinced gamergaters are still nothing but reclusive 14 year olds and grown ass neckbeards with too much time on their hands. Nothing is convincing me otherwise.

The Ralph Retorts huge man tits and neckbeard was amazing in that video, where he got thrown out of some talk. Would think someone like him, would try and not be part of that hilarious and embarrassing stereotype. But no, instead it was pretty much the standard stereotype neckbeard. 

Almost every Goobergater I've seen are your typical waifushitters (lol) weebs, so it doesn't surprise me. Either that or they're typically obnoxious and/or naive as fuck.

[Alcoholic Fish]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180456816&postcount=43

Yeah the people calling Star Citizen into question are the ones who are "cult-like", breh.  Not the creepos who throw themselves upon the altar of an $80 mil pyramid scheme.

That said, the author of the Escapist article is some sort of GamerGate icon so he's probably a pillowfucking weirdo, too.

So... how's Elite: Dangerous doing?

[Jansen]

I like my guns and I'm a law abiding citizen. Why would I want to give up my right to own a firearm that's afforded to me by the 2nd amendment?

I'll admit, I'm a an extremely selfish person. I give zero fucks about anyone other than my family and close friends.

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180462572&postcount=441

[meeb]

I like my guns and I'm a law abiding citizen. Why would I want to give up my right to own a firearm that's afforded to me by the 2nd amendment?

I'll admit, I'm a an extremely selfish person. I give zero fucks about anyone other than my family and close friends.

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180462572&postcount=441

Fuck you need to add a warning to that. I almost cut myself on that edge.

[VomKriege]

what, so there is a GamerGate angle to this Derek Smart/Star Citizen thing as well?

I swear, I can't keep up with this shit 

You are now a gamergater if you even call out Kotaku on taking the moral high ground, breh

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180462920&postcount=140

The whole thread is just bizarre, with people completely disregarding the actual topic to tow the line of the anti Star Citizen conspiracy. Yes, The Escapist might not be the best site (but which VG site is, really ?), the author might be a GG and it does have a lot of common with Smart's accusations (which he may have picked at the same source)... but everyone seems to just handwave the fact that the Escapist claims to have 7 sources for this. If it is indeed true and they did half their work correctly there, this is cause for very serious concern regarding this project. If a real source indeed reported racist hiring practices, should they have just hushed it ? Maybe so if they can't back that. Then again, gamers always shit on VG journalists being shills and weaklings, but they can't seem to cope with a strongly worded article that claims to have investigated and is taking a risk at adressing real issues.

Schreier getting all uppity is really funny though : Kotaku articles reported exactly the same issues regarding the game woes in dev, according to likewise anonymous sources. However sensationalist the Escapist may be here, aren't both outlets in agreement in what seems to be happening here ? A 90m crowdfunded disaster is pretty relevant to the state of gaming.

[Steve Contra]

I like my guns and I'm a law abiding citizen. Why would I want to give up my right to own a firearm that's afforded to me by the 2nd amendment?

I'll admit, I'm a an extremely selfish person. I give zero fucks about anyone other than my family and close friends.

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180462572&postcount=441

confuse selfish with sociopathic breh

[studyguy]

I put $20 bills into Star Citizen whenever the fuck it started. I got my Intersetllar Cadillac XT Spacecock or whatever the fuck they called the model I got for free  ready to go should it ever launch. I'm not gonna stress it if the game never drops. If it does, great if it doesn't then I'm out the cost of a couple cases of beer. No sweat.

 

[Steve Contra]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180428196&postcount=60

I'm pretty sure ol' Mauricio here didn't show his coworkers a thread where his avatar is a scantily clad 12 year old.

[meeb]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180428196&postcount=60

I'm pretty sure ol' Mauricio here didn't show his coworkers a thread where his avatar is a scantily clad 12 year old.

Plot twist: His coworkers are all members of anime gaf.

[studyguy]

Literally just teaching lean production principles, kaizen and 5S shit.
It's all distinguished mentally-challenged corporate double speak that boils down to identifying points in a process that could improve overall production.

Some of the shit is as simple as adding labels to workplaces for 5S, taking Q&A for Kaizen with staff for process improvement or just learning how to not be shit in inventory management/projected usage. Not sure how it'd work in a non manufacturing/logistics setting but I'd imagine it's just a matter of cutting down emails and all sorts of other dumb common sense shit.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119268

surely someone must regret overturning his perma by now

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119268

surely someone must regret overturning his perma by now

Closed by Modbot. At this point, it would maybe be simpler to just come out and say what is allowed to discuss.

[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180428196&postcount=60

I'm pretty sure ol' Mauricio here didn't show his coworkers a thread where his avatar is a scantily clad 12 year old.

Maybe he works at the Vatican

[studyguy]

Actually it makes sense that Maurico is a master at 5S principles since it's literally weebshit, business edition. The guy I learned it from insisted we use the Japanese terminology. Fuck.

[brob]

I'm imagining a business management model developed by Marie Kondo and it's sugoi~

[studyguy]

I'm imagining a business management model developed by Marie Kondo and it's sugoi~

Is that the girl who's entire philosophy is basically "don't be a packrat and everything will get better"

[Yulwei]

but alas

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119268

surely someone must regret overturning his perma by now

Closed by Modbot. At this point, it would maybe be simpler to just come out and say what is allowed to discuss.

making morons junior members would be even easier

[brob]

I'm imagining a business management model developed by Marie Kondo and it's sugoi~

Is that the girl who's entire philosophy is basically "don't be a packrat and everything will get better"

The KonMari Method involves developing personal relationships with all your things, talking to your socks, asking your purse if it likes it's contents, etc. It blows western self-help lit out of the ocean with the fury of a thousand suns.

Nipponese adaptations of western ideas

[recursivelyenumerable]

I'm imagining a business management model developed by Marie Kondo and it's sugoi~

Is that the girl who's entire philosophy is basically "don't be a packrat and everything will get better"

The KonMari Method involves developing personal relationships with all your things, talking to your socks, asking your purse if it likes it's contents, etc. It blows western self-help lit out of the ocean with the fury of a thousand suns.

Nipponese adaptations of western ideas

marie kondo is my waifu. I read her entire book standing up in the bookstore, it was an amazing read. I'm not sure how much if any of its advice works/is a good idea but I loved the reading experience regardless.

[Your Stalker]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119204

 

[Steve Contra]

Probably shouldn't have posted that

[meeb]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119204

 

Has someone brought up the trans comparison yet? Because tbh... I think it might actually be an accurate comparison. I'm not a psychologist though.

[Steve Contra]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119204

 

Has someone brought up the trans comparison yet? Because tbh... I think it might actually be an accurate comparison. I'm not a psychologist though.

It's not an accurate comparison at all.  There's no hormones for sight, for example.

[meeb]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119204

 

Has someone brought up the trans comparison yet? Because tbh... I think it might actually be an accurate comparison. I'm not a psychologist though.

It's not an accurate comparison at all.  There's no hormones for sight, for example.

That doesn't mean it isn't similar, psychologically. The woman felt she was born physically wrong. She took drastic measures to correct that.

[studyguy]

Giving yourself a significant physical disability isn't comparable to being trans, nah. I'd love to be open minded but there's little sympathy to be had from a woman who sounds like she poured draino in her own eyes. I'd agree that there's probably a psychological disconnect there that needed to be adressed, but I can't agree that it should have been encouraged, not like this.

[brawndolicious]

I don't know but I imagine trans folks just don't feel satisfied enough with the body they've got which is why they go through all the trouble to change it to the gender that they feel does fit them.

While this is a woman blinding herself. I really don't think any blind person is glad that they were born blind because it somehow fits their personality. It's more of an obstacle than anything and it really shows that this woman just treats the hardship of being blind as a fetish. I do believe she has some sort of mental disorder to be so committed to something like this.

[Mr Gilhaney]

This is what mods help warned us about

It was all a slippery slope

Soon we will have:

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119268

surely someone must regret overturning his perma by now

Closed by Modbot. At this point, it would maybe be simpler to just come out and say what is allowed to discuss.

Stupid to close it because a shooter posted his plans there. Especially when the topic isn't even about that, but I can understand why they would.

[meeb]

Giving yourself a significant physical disability isn't comparable to being trans, nah. I'd love to be open minded but there's little sympathy to be had from a woman who sounds like she poured draino in her own eyes. I'd agree that there's probably a psychological disconnect there that needed to be adressed, but I can't agree that it should have been encouraged, not like this.

Except if actual psychologists say it is a mental disorder similar to transexuality, what makes it different? Other than that the initial reaction to it is disgust and our beliefs are largely fueled by emotion with logic being used secondary.

[Shadow Mod]

Changing yourself into the gender you feel more comfortable with isn't on the same level as purposefully disabling yourself to me. Sorry.

[meeb]

I don't know but I imagine trans folks just don't feel satisfied enough with the body they've got which is why they go through all the trouble to change it to the gender that they feel does fit them.

While this is a woman blinding herself. I really don't think any blind person is glad that they were born blind because it somehow fits their personality. It's more of an obstacle than anything and it really shows that this woman just treats the hardship of being blind as a fetish. I do believe she has some sort of mental disorder to be so committed to something like this.

Not sure about blindness, but look at the Deaf community. Many are indeed proud of their deafness, refuse any technology that could help them, and some even go as far as wanting to ensure their children are born deaf.

[meeb]

Changing yourself into the gender you feel more comfortable with isn't on the same level as purposefully disabling yourself to me. Sorry.

That's fair. But what is psychological research proves that the only cure for this disorder is to actually go through with disabling themselves?

[Shadow Mod]

Not sure about blindness, but look at the Deaf community. Many are indeed proud of their deafness, refuse any technology that could help them, and some even go as far as wanting to ensure their children are born deaf.

It's become part of their identity sure but I find it quite disturbing that they want to ensure their children are born that way. No one wants to insinuate anyone with diminished senses is a lesser person but to take the choice away from a child to be born with a complete set just bothers me. Maybe I'm too close minded on this track but I'm not so sure.

[Steve Contra]

I'm more concerned about the psychologist who would let this happen.  It says in the article one of her eyes had to be removed, the other is all fucked up, and I'm sure it could have been worse.  I doubt many people can say they remotely understand what is going on with someone who wants to be disabled but here we have someone who is willing to go all the way with it with seemingly little regard for the patient.

(Also I will allow for the strong possibility that she simply did it to herself, which means, yes, there is something deeply wrong there)

[brawndolicious]

I don't know but I imagine trans folks just don't feel satisfied enough with the body they've got which is why they go through all the trouble to change it to the gender that they feel does fit them.

While this is a woman blinding herself. I really don't think any blind person is glad that they were born blind because it somehow fits their personality. It's more of an obstacle than anything and it really shows that this woman just treats the hardship of being blind as a fetish. I do believe she has some sort of mental disorder to be so committed to something like this.

Not sure about blindness, but look at the Deaf community. Many are indeed proud of their deafness, refuse any technology that could help them, and some even go as far as wanting to ensure their children are born deaf.

Oh I'm aware of that and my assumption (I have a lot of those) is that they are proud of the fact that their deafness makes it so that only people who like them would go through the extra effort of learning sign language/using text in order to communicate with them. But being blind is much worse since those people can be ignored and isolated. I think one of the ministers in Greece was blind and mentioned that that's the difficult thing about being blind.

[studyguy]

Changing yourself into the gender you feel more comfortable with isn't on the same level as purposefully disabling yourself to me. Sorry.

That's fair. But what is psychological research proves that the only cure for this disorder is to actually go through with disabling themselves?

Beats me, I don't have that answer, but in the same way I wouldn't tell someone with suicidal tendencies to go kill themselves or those who feel some need to self mutilate to go ahead and cut themselves... I wouldn't be for someone causing a serious physical disability to themselves because they simply feel it's necessary without more help.

I simply don't buy this "I went to a psychologist and he gave me the medical equivalent of a coat hanger abortion" bit. It sounds like she took the leap without consulting anyone other than Dr. Google.

[Purrp Skirrp]

With trans people, aren't there tangible differences in the brain that lead to them feeling they're the wrong gender?

An example being the influence of certain hormones during fetal development dictating the growth of a more male or female brain.

The person's gender becomes hardwired in the brain, and sometimes things go wrong and what they're born with doesn't match up.

Point is, identifying as another gender is not some misguided thought pattern that needs correcting, unlike this bish and her eye fetish.

[Steve Contra]

Hormones, gene expression, what little we understand about attraction etc. all make up a pretty complex picture of gender.  There's not really any of that here.  I'm not saying she didn't legitimately want to be blind, but the way she went about it suggests something else is going on.

[meeb]

I'm more concerned about the psychologist who would let this happen.  It says in the article one of her eyes had to be removed, the other is all fucked up, and I'm sure it could have been worse.  I doubt many people can say they remotely understand what is going on with someone who wants to be disabled but here we have someone who is willing to go all the way with it with seemingly little regard for the patient.

(Also I will allow for the strong possibility that she simply did it to herself, which means, yes, there is something deeply wrong there)

Personally I don't believe a psychologist actually did that to her. Nobody, even if they believed that was the only cure to her mental illness, would choose to use fucking drain cleaner and risk their license.

I'd tell her to get a blindfold, or stitch her own eyes shut.

[Kara]

I don't know but I imagine trans folks just don't feel satisfied enough with the body they've got which is why they go through all the trouble to change it to the gender that they feel does fit them.

While this is a woman blinding herself. I really don't think any blind person is glad that they were born blind because it somehow fits their personality. It's more of an obstacle than anything and it really shows that this woman just treats the hardship of being blind as a fetish. I do believe she has some sort of mental disorder to be so committed to something like this.

Not sure about blindness, but look at the Deaf community. Many are indeed proud of their deafness, refuse any technology that could help them, and some even go as far as wanting to ensure their children are born deaf.

Well, in that case you have a distinct culture that formed around a language (ASL).

[thisismyusername]

I don't know but I imagine trans folks just don't feel satisfied enough with the body they've got which is why they go through all the trouble to change it to the gender that they feel does fit them.

While this is a woman blinding herself. I really don't think any blind person is glad that they were born blind because it somehow fits their personality. It's more of an obstacle than anything and it really shows that this woman just treats the hardship of being blind as a fetish. I do believe she has some sort of mental disorder to be so committed to something like this.

Not sure about blindness, but look at the Deaf community. Many are indeed proud of their deafness, refuse any technology that could help them, and some even go as far as wanting to ensure their children are born deaf.

Well, in that case you have a distinct culture that formed around a language (ASL).

No, you have a culture that was taught to be "proud" in a way of their difference because of the way they're treated by "hearies"/normal day-to-day people. It's why a lot of them are very angry toward things that could help them become part of the larger world: These people have a support/rapport group because of the set-backs they all face. I wouldn't say ASL fed into that.

[Kara]

I'm saying that there's something to be "lost" (or rather, could be, it's not like you can't speak ASL if you have your sense of hearing), not that it's to blame for the phenomenon. Whether or not something is worth preserving often gets lost in the shuffle. Someone blinding themselves isn't losing an identity, they're blinding themselves.

[recursivelyenumerable]

asl seems like some pretty sweet advanced language technology that maybe everyone should learn tbh

[nachobro]

wtf bitch just close your fuckin eyes. boom problem solved

[Mods Help]

Giving yourself a significant physical disability isn't comparable to being trans, nah. I'd love to be open minded but there's little sympathy to be had from a woman who sounds like she poured draino in her own eyes. I'd agree that there's probably a psychological disconnect there that needed to be adressed, but I can't agree that it should have been encouraged, not like this.

Except if actual psychologists say it is a mental disorder similar to transexuality, what makes it different? Other than that the initial reaction to it is disgust and our beliefs are largely fueled by emotion with logic being used secondary.

Agreed.

Scientists have taken trannsexuallity out of mental disorders in the DSM and renamed it gender identity disorder to gender dysphoria, but we all know the truth.

[thisismyusername]

I'm saying that there's something to be "lost" (or rather, could be, it's not like you can't speak ASL if you have your sense of hearing), not that it's to blame for the phenomenon. Whether or not something is worth preserving often gets lost in the shuffle. Someone blinding themselves isn't losing an identity, they're blinding themselves.

I don't agree with that. Coming from someone that is an outlier within that sort of thing. But I've seen people that have gone deaf utterly refuse to attempt to learn ASL or find methods that'll help them with "hearing" and vice-versa. So saying ASL is a cause for that sort of "proud"ness (or lack there-of) doesn't ring true to me.

[nudemacusers]

tbh i'd be ok with losing my eyesight cuz then i could wear dope shades 24/7 and nobody could say shit

[Kara]

Fair enough. I defer to you on this, Timu.

[Shadow Mod]

tbh i'd be ok with losing my eyesight cuz then i could wear dope shades 24/7 and nobody could say shit

(Image removed from quote.)

Just say you have light sensitivity 

[nudemacusers]

tbh i'd be ok with losing my eyesight cuz then i could wear dope shades 24/7 and nobody could say shit

(Image removed from quote.)

Just say you have light sensitivity 

david spade already claimed that one

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119268

surely someone must regret overturning his perma by now

Closed by Modbot. At this point, it would maybe be simpler to just come out and say what is allowed to discuss.

Stupid to close it because a shooter posted his plans there. Especially when the topic isn't even about that, but I can understand why they would.

I learned of the shooting after reading that. I can also understand why closing the thread but doing it via Modbot and without giving any context at all is 

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119204

 

This is what mods help warned us about

It was all a slippery slope

Soon we will have:

(Image removed from quote.)

Mods Help, help

[zepblackstar]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180493308&postcount=302

It's good that she's happy, why are all of you complaining about it? Yeah, its weird, but she isn't harming anyone. She's been having these thoughts since a young age, so I think she knows more about her feelings then we do.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180493460&postcount=303

So as I said, I don't know a lot about BIID, so it's not really my place to argue treatment. I do, however, feel this thread is extremely hypocritical. I know that transgender individuals are different from those with BIID, but I feel like what we're seeing written in this thread is what we would have seen about transgender people 10-20 years ago.

so in 20 years, we just say fuck it and let people dig their eyes and cut off limbs if they want too to feel better and use the same argument format that gays and transgender had to use?

Remember when motherfuckers were considered crazy cause they were crazy?

[Faction]

I think self harm is something that is totally different than being trans.  Wanting to be disabled is like, Munchhausen's isn't it? 

But then again, what do I know. 

[zepblackstar]

I think self harm is something that is totally different than being trans.  Wanting to be disabled is like, Munchhausen's isn't it? 

But then again, what do I know.

but that is what bothers me is that other people who want society to accept their crazy are using gays and transgender arguments for themselves. Even the pedos are doing it on gawker media of all places and this is after the salon debacle.

[mormapope]

Tolerance and acceptance are usually much easier to obtain when the main assertion is "this is who I am biologically/mentally/emotionally."

Problem is existence isn't fair and being something or feeling something won't always warrant empathy or sympathy from outsiders so to speak. The lines outsiders draw will usually show if someone from the outside is a decent creature or a dumbass asshole.

In this woman's case, I have no clue. And depending on how many people want to mutilate or nerf themselves biologically, no one will have a clue.

[recursivelyenumerable]

it would be cool if you could get replacement  👀 that would let you commit irrevocably to seeing the world as cubist painting or something though.

[Faction]

I think self harm is something that is totally different than being trans.  Wanting to be disabled is like, Munchhausen's isn't it? 

But then again, what do I know.

but that is what bothers me is that other people who want society to accept their crazy are using gays and transgender arguments for themselves. Even the pedos are doing it on gawker media of all places and this is after the salon debacle.

Yeah, that disturbs me as well.  As someone who is actually disabled, it's kinda....Like why would anyone want that?  It fucking sucks.  I wish I didn't have to take chemo and Enbrel just to kill my stupid immune system.  It'd be awesome to be able to move around without pain. 

In this case, it has to be something about craving attention, craving comfort.  And that's Munchausen's to the core, right?  So why not actually treat the mental health issue?  Why be 'accepting' of someone hurting themselves in such a profound way?

It confuses me.  I try to be as accepting as possible, but when it comes to things like this I just can't.  Obviously not the pedo thing either.