MGSV Spoiler Thread (BE SHOCKED WHEN YOU FIND SPOILERS INSIDE)

[VomKriege]

Holy fuck at the people on GAF working to make sense in the terrible timeline of this.
"Well, it's proof they had an early S3 project" 

[mormapope]

The only similarity is the theme of manipulation. Manipulation of the main character has been a staple in every single MGS game, for some reason people weren't expecting that in MGS V.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176524898&postcount=3820

Well, didn't you understand the whole story in advance by listening to some lyrics of a song used in the promo ? 

[Rahxephon91]

Jesus, you mean I should have expected to play as Nicola and Bart?

[mormapope]

As soon as there was a Big Boss with a shrapnel horn shown, that sorta spoiled the game in hindsight. Mainly due to Big Boss not having that on the operation table right after Ground Zeroes, but then having it in footage after that. It would be impossible to guess this outright, but people have been speculating the body double theory for a long ass time now.

Hell, the trailer in which that song is used has Kaz saying "What about him?", referencing someone else next to Big Boss.

Almost everyone thought that was a tongue in cheek "that's the viewer, that's maybe even Kojima" type of deal. Turns out Kaz was talking about the body double and main character of the game, which like I said, some people speculated about.

[VomKriege]

I'm not saying the body double thing was totally unforeseen, but to expect people to catch on this stuff like it was an evidence is bonkers. Only the most obsessive of MGS fans got those vague hints from Kojima (and I'm sure there's a metric ton of completely wrong and crazy theories).

[Himu]

this is fucking awesome

[FatalT]

So the body double is just some random dude. Huh. Welp.

[mormapope]

It makes sense to be apathetic about that fact, but we haven't even gotten to know this body double yet, the trials and tribulations he'll go through.

[Trent Dole]

So the story is a ridiculous pile of incoherent nonsense. Sounds like a Metal Gear game to me!

[mormapope]

More like a pile of coherent nonsense 

[helios]

The twist is hilarious and I can't wait to play it.

Kojima should not have made any more games set between MGS3 and MG1. MGS3 was the best way to show why Big Boss became the big bad for MG1 and 2. But Kojima can't hold back.

[mormapope]

Zero's conversation with Big Boss while he's comatose. Spoilered due to large images.

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[Joe Molotov]

EndOfEvangelion.jpg

[Rman]

Kojima loves body doubles
MGS1-Decoy Octopus/Paramedic; Liquid/Miller; Solid/Liquid
MGS2-Raiden/Snake; Pliskin/Snake; Ocelot/Liquid (LOLZ)
MG4-Big Boss/Solidus

[Rahxephon91]

Able to completely alter a dudes face, but not remove that shrapnel.

k..

[Barry Egan]

has this plot twist produced more or less salt than the introduction of Raiden?  Cause I remember Raiden replacing Solid Snake in MGS2 causing some serious special fellow-outs as well.

[VomKriege]

So rumour has it some content will be unlocked 9/11 
Also that a lot of content was cut. Stuff with Liquid.



Oh for fuck's sake Hideo !

[toku]

So rumour has it some content will be unlocked 9/11 
Also that a lot of content was cut. Stuff with Liquid.

Yea someone saying actual ending is gonna be dlc.

What does Kojima even mean

[bluemax]

So rumour has it some content will be unlocked 9/11 
Also that a lot of content was cut. Stuff with Liquid.

Yea someone saying actual ending is gonna be dlc.

What does Kojima even mean

I dunno but he's been posting V Has Come to all week. Dude is batshit.

[Positive Touch]

V like a peace sign?

[archie4208]

V for Venom

[Positive Touch]

v for vaginabomb

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[Rahxephon91]

V has cum too.

[VomKriege]

(Dat boob physic at 2:02  )

[VomKriege]

So yeah there's a "episode 51" footage in the collector's edition which explains what happens to Liquid and the Metal Gear.



(Biss Boss shoots Liquid because he's colourblind ! But he's not dead after all !)

It's not clear if that content was cut from the game for directorial reasons or just for lack of time. A lot of the cut stuff seems to pertains to the whole "'child soldiers" footage that was probably what Kojima was so proud about to brag how MGSV was gonna be all dark, shock & awe (apart from the vaginabomb and Chico raping Paz), so it could be both : It wouldn't be too suprising he underdelivered yet again after the obvious mess that already was MGS4.

Anyway, Psycho Mantis seems to be very prominent in MGSV, yet another "expanded universe is a small small world" 

Also Miller is blind on top of having lost limbs. Isn't he supposed to be fully able in MGS1 ? 

EDIT :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojB8jsBf-NE&feature=youtu.be&t=8303

 

Eat shit with your words and deeds Kojima.

[mormapope]

Miller isn't blind. We never see the real Miller in MGS1, Liquid is Miller the entire time. Don't know what Solid Snake's expectations were for Miller when it came to appearance and physicality, but he and everyone else were fooled nonetheless.

Phantom Pain has three and a half hours of cutscenes, if shit was cut for it to remain that low, I'd say that's a positive.

[VomKriege]

Miller isn't blind. We never see the real Miller in MGS1, Liquid is Miller the entire time. Don't know what Solid Snake's expectations were for Miller when it came to appearance and physicality, but he and everyone else were fooled nonetheless.

Isn't he supposed to have served with the guy, though ?
Then again, Miller appearance changed between MG2 and MGS1 and we are all going to discuss terrible things like "Obviously they see each other over the CODEC otherwise why would Liquid wear sunglasses to look like Miller"  but really it's just the no fucks given that makes me laugh here.

[mormapope]

Miller was a trainer and mentor to Solid Snake, don't think they did missions together but I don't know MG1 and MG2 story stuff that well.

[bluemax]

So yeah there's a "episode 51" footage in the collector's edition which explains what happens to Liquid and the Metal Gear.



(Biss Boss shoots Liquid because he's colourblind ! But he's not dead after all !)

It's not clear if that content was cut from the game for directorial reasons or just for lack of time. A lot of the cut stuff seems to pertains to the whole "'child soldiers" footage that was probably what Kojima was so proud about to brag how MGSV was gonna be all dark, shock & awe (apart from the vaginabomb and Chico raping Paz), so it could be both : It wouldn't be too suprising he underdelivered yet again after the obvious mess that already was MGS4.

Anyway, Psycho Mantis seems to be very prominent in MGSV, yet another "expanded universe is a small small world" 

Also Miller is blind on top of having lost limbs. Isn't he supposed to be fully able in MGS1 ? 

EDIT :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojB8jsBf-NE&feature=youtu.be&t=8303

 

Eat shit with your words and deeds Kojima.

Lulz at that video. Gratuitous ass and titties, then Jack Bauer shows off some tumor titties.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177516527&postcount=9274

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177519290&postcount=9284

 

[Rman]

Miller isn't blind. We never see the real Miller in MGS1, Liquid is Miller the entire time. Don't know what Solid Snake's expectations were for Miller when it came to appearance and physicality, but he and everyone else were fooled nonetheless.

Phantom Pain has three and a half hours of cutscenes, if shit was cut for it to remain that low, I'd say that's a positive.

MGS4 had 8 hour for reference.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177609029&postcount=9721

[mormapope]

Why is this supposed ending patch coming out on 9/11 though 

[VomKriege]

Why is this supposed ending patch coming out on 9/11 though 

There's a mild conspiracy-tard undercurrent in the Kojima's stories and the fanbase coupled to a way overrated appreciation of Kojima importance, so... yeah.

[Kara]

It is eventually revealed that the organization that lead the attack on MSF in 1975 was only previously a part of Cipher, having gone rogue since. Its leader, Skull Face, sees Cipher's plan to make the world one as effectively making it culturally American. To avoid this, he intends to release a parasite, in part developed by Code Talker, that grotesquely kills anyone who speaks the English language.

[helios]

Calligraphy would become a bigger thing.

[VomKriege]

So how is Ocelot in MGS V ?
Honestly I feel the character was ruined in MGS4, I am not sure how I am supposed to reconcile the raging sadist egomaniac with the grandiose antihero.

[mormapope]

He's pretty much a bro that pops up periodically, honestly zany or focused characterization isn't really a thing in MGS V's cutscenes. Characters are a lot more grounded and aren't really prevalent when it comes to the main story.

The cassette tapes are actually extremely well done when it comes to voice acting, everyone in the cast is great in those, including Kiefer. You get a much clearer picture of what's going on with the characters in that universe at the time. 

Surprisingly Huey has the best arc story wise when it comes to the Peacewalker to Phantom Pain jump. Dude is a bonafide asshole scumbag who constantly fucks up and points the finger at everyone but himself. Withholds information on purpose at the cost of everyone else, drowns the mother of his child (Strangelove) in the mammal pod due to petty disagreements. Opted to have his son Otacon be used as a pilot for the Metal Gear he created, which is what created the huge rift between him and Strangelove.

One of the best and most fucked up moments is from a cassette tape. Strangelove is trapped inside the mammal pod while its being filled with water, and she recollects things about her life, what she wanted, how things ended up. You can hear her struggle to keep afloat before being submerged, all the while she's sorrowfully saying her last words. The tape lasts for nine minutes, and at a certain point, you can hear her being engulfed by the water.

[mormapope]

When it comes to the twist of the player playing as a Big Boss body double, the execution is really, really clunky. But if you think about who Big Boss really is for allowing all this, he comes of as a really unique scumbag who actually had human traits in the end. Instead of being a stoic distinguished mentally-challenged fellow that got played at every turn, he peaces out and leaves almost all of his friends and fellow soldiers behind.

So the real Big Boss wakes up, Ocelot meets up with him in the hospital and fills him in on whats happening at the time. Ocelot says he shouldn't be around, due to so many people wanting to murder the dude. Big Boss agrees immediately. They agree on a plan that would mean a hospital full of innocent people would get gunned down, Big Boss has absolutely no qualms about this. Ocelot warns him of this fact, Big Boss says hes in.

The medic wakes up. The medic was on the helicopter when Big Boss brought Paz in, and when they left the destroyed motherbase. When Paz's vagina bomb goes off, the medic placed himself in front of the explosion to shield Big Boss.

This is when the clunk comes into play.

The Medic gets extensive plastic surgery in 48 hours, just before the hospital gets attacked. He gets the best plastic surgery in the world apparently, because the medic is the player avatar you create in the game. You could create an elderly black or asian dude, and in the end they get plastic surgery to look like Big Boss.

[mormapope]

Ocelot has been doing brainwashing shit or was attempting to while the Medic was in the coma. He might've said which methods he used, but that doesn't really matter much, its hocus pocus "I'm a mind fucker" type of ordeal.

So the medic wakes up, doctor says what happened to him, and then he receives plastic surgery to look like Big Boss. Mummy, bandaged face dude is the real Big Boss that uses the opportunity to escape and guide his body double out of the hospital.

They get out of the hospital, Ocelot gets Big Boss out of the area after he crashes an ambulance that has both him and the body double. Flash forward to hours or days later. Ocelot meets up with Big Boss and gives him a passport with a new name, tells him to peace out or lay low for a while. Big Boss is pretty cheeky about this entire ordeal and seems a lot more charismatic than his body double. Ocelot rides away on a horse, Big Boss smokes a real cigar while sitting on a motorcycle, and ponders what he wants to do with his life.

[mormapope]

Real Big Boss left a tape for his body double, saying how they both can live as being one dude, and that he would be totally cool with that. Body double listens to it, seems fine or even psyched up about it. He then goes to a Sony MSX tapedeck thing, flips the tape over, and on the other side it says operation intrude n313, which is the name of the mission that Solid Snake undertook in Metal Gear 1. Weird static plays, some people are saying that might be part of brainwashing the dude, who knows right now.

An obvious flash forward happens, body double seems pissed, punches mirror, weird shit, credits. Timeline says Solid Snake killed Big Boss's phantom during the events of MG1.

In the cassette tapes after this ending, real Big Boss comes off as a dude that gives no fucks about anyone in his life. Ocelot mentions his clone children, Big Boss acts disgusted like they're just jizz on his hand and that they aren't real people.

Zero has some of the best tapes in the game, his character was pretty much redeemed, which is pretty surprising. An old, charismatic, charming British man that wants to accomplish something grand but doesn't trust anyone around him. He still harbors goodwill towards Big Boss.

[Barry Egan]

so how did Big Boss end up spending his life?  Margaritas on the beach?

[VomKriege]

Big Boobs was apparently in a coma or chilling by the beach while his body double / clones were getting shit done from 1974 and on.

WOAT soldier.

[mormapope]

The world was doing its own thing while Big Boss was in a coma. Miller was doing merc shit, Ocelot was probably doing spy/Soviet shit. Zero was getting along fine until Skullface infected him with a parasite by giving him a replica or faked broach that belonged to The Boss. Zero is close to succumbing to the parasite by the time Big Boss awakens from his coma.

[VomKriege]

[Kara]

 

[VomKriege]

 

[Rahxephon91]

That ishida guy is such a moron.

Yes you knew that Zero was a bad guy and suspicious because he made a referential comment in a series that always references itself. Yep because he said the "Patriots" in a completely out of context matter you knew he would be the entire series villain. It's almost so dumb I believe him. Because an idiot would have to ignore things like actual storytelling and effective uses of foreshadowing which would involve actual character actions that would make you believe this swell and honest guy would become a villain. You know things zero has nothing of in MGS3?

People who defend that twist in MGS4 are the worst.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=178161437&postcount=15015

The fuck is this shit ? 
Imagine how great Kojima's games would be if he didn't spend so much time doing PR headfucks.


 

[chronovore]

Yes, I know this was already posted, but WHISKY TANGO FOXTROT is this?

I wondered where the scene was going: was it about her boobs? Was it so Snake/the player could watch her bend over out the open door of the helicopter? Then she jumps out, lands, strips, and does a dance worthy of any strip club? Is this the mature, gritty storytelling you guys are always talking about?

[VomKriege]

I'm pretty sure no one here claims that MGS was ever mature and gritty.
Did you see the Quiet shower scene where your frat bros put their hands up in their air ?

EDIT :
And the ride goes on forever
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=178168283&postcount=15117

Kojima tackling 9/11 ? That will end well.

[mormapope]

In MGS2 ,originally when Arsenal Gear crashed into New York city, tons of buildings were taken out. Had to be edited out due to 9/11. Don't know if he's trying to do anything with it, besides him referencing it in the now cut Episode 51 via visual allegory.

Him being on the David Bowie album and it being 9/11 in the song list seems like a huge coincidence.

I'd say the MGS franchise has grittiness, that's not necessarily a good thing mind you, but there are gritty moments.

[VomKriege]

I suspect that whatever he would say about 9/11 would be terrible, probably more than what he could have said back then when the subject was a hot button issue, to be honest, and would probably make me (I wouldn't have mind what was already in the game before reality aligned with fiction. But the fans man... You know how some would have ran with this).

Nanosamachines, efendi !

I don't think Kojima's tweets are a coincidence, but he is just playing headgames using the craziest ideas of the fanbase. Seems more likely than the new, deep, satisfying, mindblowing and secret part of the game being unlocked, vindicating all the crazy geeks along the way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/3k1y2x/major_mgsv_spoilers_there_is_more_to_discover/

That IMANOK guy says there's a patch coming September 11.

"You may remember me. You may not. I'm the guy who said all the tapes were a form of subconscious mind control. I was also the guy who leaked all those spoilers of Gray Fox being Zero's son and Ishmael and Skull face being your phantoms.

I am also the guy who has been viraling the Black Hound from INGSOC; which is really just a code name for an update on MGSV

There will be episodic updates for MGSV. The first patch is coming September 11th"

https://archive.moe/_/search/username/Imanok/

Also,

"/vg/ IMANOK Mon 31 Aug 2015 18:05:43 No.114845497 ViewReport

        114845086 https://data.archive.moe/board/vg/thumb/1441/05/1441055143448s.jpg Do you really want the spoilers? Ok SEE THIS GUY? That is Frank Jaeger

Kojima made two stories. One canon and one non-canon. The non-canon is the story of the medic, which is you

The story of Frank Jaeger is in the update you guys are getting and its this guy in the mask. This is the canon story and the events will be drastically different

Did u rike it?"

 
Wasn't the game datamined anyway ?

[mormapope]

Apparently the PC version is missing a chunk of data that the PS4 has. Most obvious answer is the PC version was compressed as its digital only.

If this update shit is true, the internet will collectively lose its shit. It would be the greatest fiddling in gaming since MGS2.

[VomKriege]

That we may even entertain that it could be a thing is a testament to Kojima's hustling.
At best it will be an easter egg or I dunno some online functionality launched in advance.

All this brings memories back of the great meltdown over the teasing to what ultimately was revealed as MGS4 soda cans and the iPhone game. 

[VomKriege]

Well, modders have fun :



http://gfycat.com/CookedPhonyBeetle

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/COlgrBxUwAAcEL5.mp4

http://webm.host/782b6/vid.webm

[VomKriege]

So meta 

[mormapope]

Honestly Metal Gears themselves stopped being cool with MGS4. The Shagohod wasn't that neat visually, but the sequences revolving around it were excellent in MGS3.

Metal Gear Ray is the coolest Metal Gear visually, Arsenal Gear is the coolest conceptually.