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13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« on: October 01, 2015, 05:46:16 PM »
A gunman opened fire at an Oregon community college Thursday, killing at least a dozen people before dying during a shootout with police, authorities said.

The shooting happened at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, about 180 miles south of Portland.

Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum said 13 people are dead. It was not immediately clear whether that number also included the 20-year-old gunman.

State police Lt. Bill Fugate told KATU-TV that at least 20 others were hurt.

Authorities offered no immediate word on the gunman's motive and said they were investigating.

Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin said the gunman was killed in an exchange of gunfire with officers. The sheriff did not say whether the shooter was killed by officers or took his own life.
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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2015, 06:03:53 PM »
http://imgur.com/kWEvPJN

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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 06:12:00 PM »
http://imgur.com/kWEvPJN

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 06:18:28 PM »
I don't buy the 4chan thread tbh. That sort of post happens often enough to where I don't put much stock into anything on the site any longer.

Considering you can't tell who the fuck is the OP beyond the initial post it just becomes a shitstorm where the media decides every shitpost is the main reason for the shooting even if it has nothing to do with the actual shooting. Oh and as far as the shooting is concerned, fuck that dude.
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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2015, 06:35:39 PM »
Someone elected someone who's response to 13 people getting killed is this:

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2015, 06:41:08 PM »
4chan's raiding the comments sections of articles with Baneposting along with /r9k/ claiming responsibility. It's intentional media trolling.

Sucks that another school shooting happened. Fucking madness, really


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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2015, 06:52:38 PM »
As much as I would like to see gun regulations in this country, I can't help but notice that these incidents are happening to a very specific subset of our population (16-24 year old male). Maybe we should have improved mental health care for people in this danger zone of violence. Crazy idea, I know.




 



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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2015, 06:53:28 PM »
This is awful

I am outraged

This must change

Ok, see everyone in a month
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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 07:03:25 PM »
This is awful

I am outraged

This must change

Ok, see everyone in a month
If Newton couldn't make anyone in any position of power do anything we've pretty much handed it over to a bunch of constitution worshipping sociopaths (well, parts of the constitution anyway) and the gun manufacturers that gleefully bankroll them.
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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2015, 07:13:08 PM »
This is a fine thing to happen within about a month and a half of my moving up here. :-X But yeah that's the northwest, lots of serial killery, in Mass people would set shit on fire all the time. I think I'll make my usual declaration that there's other places where guns are just as available as they are here in the states and they don't see this occur nearly as often and perhaps there is something besides or in addition to ease of firearms access that is in need of addressing.
As much as I would like to see gun regulations in this country, I can't help buy notice that these incidents are happening to a very specific subset of our population (16-24 year old male). Maybe we should have improved mental health care for people in this danger zone of violence. Crazy idea, I know.
Oh hey somebody else already said this very same sensible thing!
Someone elected someone who's response to 13 people getting killed is this:

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I need to see if this rep dude is someone I am capable of voting the fuck out in the future, I'm right next to Portland itself though so I doubt I'm in his district. Ah, he's from South Carolina. Why is he even commenting on this then?
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2015, 07:23:52 PM »
That thread on 4ch keeps pushing me towards being very ok with the idea of getting rid of internet anonymity.  Despite the drawbacks, I'm fine with an internet that is linked to your real ID.  I think it'd A) Get rid of a lot of the shitposting everywhere and B) Get people to think about what they are saying/thinking before they post it which basically helps with A. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2015, 07:29:20 PM »
Someone elected someone who's response to 13 people getting killed is this:

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2015, 07:34:34 PM »
As much as I would like to see gun regulations in this country, I can't help buy notice that these incidents are happening to a very specific subset of our population (16-24 year old male). Maybe we should have improved mental health care for people in this danger zone of violence. Crazy idea, I know.

You could require gun insurance like car insurance. Then no young men would be able to afford a handgun or a corvette until they turn 25. I mean I seriously think that could be a solution but we don't even live in a world where all guns are registered which you kind of require to have insurance.

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2015, 07:38:38 PM »
That thread on 4ch keeps pushing me towards being very ok with the idea of getting rid of internet anonymity.  Despite the drawbacks, I'm fine with an internet that is linked to your real ID.  I think it'd A) Get rid of a lot of the shitposting everywhere and B) Get people to think about what they are saying/thinking before they post it which basically helps with A.

Clearly you haven't seen enough comment sections where people post awful shit right from their legit FB id.

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2015, 07:49:41 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2015, 07:52:35 PM »
That thread on 4ch keeps pushing me towards being very ok with the idea of getting rid of internet anonymity.  Despite the drawbacks, I'm fine with an internet that is linked to your real ID.  I think it'd A) Get rid of a lot of the shitposting everywhere and B) Get people to think about what they are saying/thinking before they post it which basically helps with A.

Clearly you haven't seen enough comment sections where people post awful shit right from their legit FB id.

Point taken.  Still there's gotta be a line where people realize that if they encourage someone to shoot up a school, and the person then does it, that it will look kind of REALLY BAD on them and you'd think it would stop people from doing it.

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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2015, 07:56:19 PM »
If the internet got treated like the phone/mail and just another form of communication with real human beings a lot of this shit wouldn't be tolerated.

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2015, 10:08:16 PM »
This is awful

I am outraged

This must change

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2015, 10:31:33 PM »
Welcome to the US of A Dennis

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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2015, 10:32:53 PM »
Full hippy rambling post incoming. You know, every time this happens we hear the same ideas of mental health care and gun laws -- personally I think it's a problem with American culture. Not even the gun culture. I see even my liberal friends on Facebook say things like "these people need to be shot" "there's a special place in hell for <people who hold a certain belief>" and these kind of statements are championed by those who agree. We have a violent way of thinking and communicating that diminishes people we don't agree with to labels that take away their humanity. It's the same way people write off anything that can be called socialism, because "that's just wrong!" Our culture doesn't teach us to understand the needs and perspectives of our fellow people, it doesn't allow for a sense of global, national or even local community. The American mind is molded to think killing the people who are "wrong" makes us a hero. We probably need better gun laws. We definitely need universal healthcare and mental health access. We absolutely as a culture need to learn to empathize with our essential human needs and see each other as human instead of subjugating each other to constant judgement in our culture of punitive justice.

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2015, 10:45:27 PM »
Full hippy rambling post incoming. You know, every time this happens we hear the same ideas of mental health care and gun laws -- personally I think it's a problem with American culture. Not even the gun culture. I see even my liberal friends on Facebook say things like "these people need to be shot" "there's a special place in hell for <people who hold a certain belief>" and these kind of statements are championed by those who agree. We have a violent way of thinking and communicating that diminishes people we don't agree with to labels that take away their humanity. It's the same way people write off anything that can be called socialism, because "that's just wrong!" Our culture doesn't teach us to understand the needs and perspectives of our fellow people, it doesn't allow for a sense of global, national or even local community. The American mind is molded to think killing the people who are "wrong" makes us a hero. We probably need better gun laws. We definitely need universal healthcare and mental health access. We absolutely as a culture need to learn to empathize with our essential human needs and see each other as human instead of subjugating each other to constant judgement in our culture of punitive justice.

Somewhat related I'm tired of mainstream movies for this reason. So much of it is just violence solves violence, that's the fucking movie,  :yeshrug

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2015, 11:03:00 PM »
That thread on 4ch keeps pushing me towards being very ok with the idea of getting rid of internet anonymity.  Despite the drawbacks, I'm fine with an internet that is linked to your real ID.  I think it'd A) Get rid of a lot of the shitposting everywhere and B) Get people to think about what they are saying/thinking before they post it which basically helps with A.

Clearly you haven't seen enough comment sections where people post awful shit right from their legit FB id.

Point taken.  Still there's gotta be a line where people realize that if they encourage someone to shoot up a school, and the person then does it, that it will look kind of REALLY BAD on them and you'd think it would stop people from doing it.

To be fair: I doubt anyone at 4chan actually believed the shit that was posted. If anything, it sounded like the typical "anonymous is bullshitting" post on /b/ now a days.

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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2015, 04:19:53 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2015, 11:52:42 AM »
seen on FB...
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I saw the hoax youtube vids going up almost immediately after the media posts went up.
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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2015, 11:54:56 AM »
What the fuck is wrong with these younger kids shooting innocent people so fucking often? So fucking strange.
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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2015, 12:04:13 PM »
This isn't a new thing, old man. 

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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2015, 12:21:34 PM »
America, where innocent people getting shot is a lifestyle choice.

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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2015, 12:46:21 PM »


This is the same sheriff that sent an official letter to Joe Biden after Sandy Hook saying MAH GUNZ, so fuck him tho. The government's not coming for your guns, you dipshits.

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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2015, 01:03:49 PM »
You know where there aren't school shootings? Inner cities. You know why? Because they have metal detectors and entries with lock doors. But good luck getting suburban parents to agree to any of this being implemented because little Johnny might feel like he's a criminal.

Not all gun crime is preventable. I'd rather see a crack down on illegal gun markets. Obama claimed that states with gun laws don't face these problems but all you have to do is look at Illinois. Lots of gun laws yet Chicago is a literal war zone. Why? Because Illinois is surrounded by states with fewer gun laws, which leads to massive gun trafficking and straw purchases.

You can illegally buy a gun in certain parts of Detroit for less than $50. People who do that aren't going through background checks brehs.
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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2015, 01:12:26 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34423534

Apparently this guy was a conservative republican but also supported the IRA and Sinn Féin heavily (Despite SF being one of the biggest leftist parties in Europe). That's a pretty big leap between ideologies. 

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« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2015, 01:28:31 PM »
This isn't a new thing, old man.

I mean not 100% but the frequency and age of attackers can't be ignored.
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« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2015, 01:31:34 PM »
It sounds like he was raised in a super religious family or something. He apparently targeted Christians but he was trying to find a date on a "spiritual" dating site.

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« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2015, 01:33:02 PM »
I know gun control is a hot button issue but you know what also would be effective?

Stop releasing any details about the killer, period. Total blackout. Stop letting these isolated loser fucks fulfill their dreams of being known.

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« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2015, 01:35:39 PM »
You know where there aren't school shootings? Inner cities. You know why? Because they have metal detectors and entries with lock doors. But good luck getting suburban parents to agree to any of this being implemented because little Johnny might feel like he's a criminal.

Not all gun crime is preventable. I'd rather see a crack down on illegal gun markets. Obama claimed that states with gun laws don't face these problems but all you have to do is look at Illinois. Lots of gun laws yet Chicago is a literal war zone. Why? Because Illinois is surrounded by states with fewer gun laws, which leads to massive gun trafficking and straw purchases.

You can illegally buy a gun in certain parts of Detroit for less than $50. People who do that aren't going through background checks brehs.

That This American Life segment of accidental desegregation with those parents in the white, affluent neighborhoods talking about requesting all the metal detectors and when they were going to be put in before the minorities were bussed in.

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Nah, little Skyler is a special innocent snowflake that'd never hurt a fly though, but on the real I'd never see rich suburbs going for anything like this since they'd have that it doesn't happen here syndrome. Personally I have no love for guns with having watched a close friend get gunned down. My girl's dad is an equally terrible example of the gun nut NRA supporter. A man going after a conceal/carry license with 6 guns in his home who listens to cop scanners. Nah, it draws a poor picture of the most fervent gun rights supporters.
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« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2015, 01:36:36 PM »
Stop releasing any details about the killer, period. Total blackout. Stop letting these isolated loser fucks fulfill their dreams of being known.

The media is too wide open. If you can influence most American media to stop, other outlets will just pick up the slack.
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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2015, 01:36:39 PM »
You know where there aren't school shootings? Inner cities. You know why? Because they have metal detectors and entries with lock doors. But good luck getting suburban parents to agree to any of this being implemented because little Johnny might feel like he's a criminal.

Not all gun crime is preventable. I'd rather see a crack down on illegal gun markets. Obama claimed that states with gun laws don't face these problems but all you have to do is look at Illinois. Lots of gun laws yet Chicago is a literal war zone. Why? Because Illinois is surrounded by states with fewer gun laws, which leads to massive gun trafficking and straw purchases.

You can illegally buy a gun in certain parts of Detroit for less than $50. People who do that aren't going through background checks brehs.

That This American Life segment of accidental desegregation with those parents in the white, affluent neighborhoods talking about requesting all the metal detectors and when they were going to be put in before the minorities were bussed in.

 :tocry

Nah, little Skyler is a special innocent snowflake that'd never hurt a fly though, but on the real I'd never see rich suburbs going for anything like this since they'd have that it doesn't happen here syndrome.

At this point that's the only place it IS happening. You'd hope people like the ones in my neighborhood start realizing that.
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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2015, 01:40:26 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34423534

Apparently this guy was a conservative republican but also supported the IRA and Sinn Féin heavily (Despite SF being one of the biggest leftist parties in Europe). That's a pretty big leap between ideologies.

It's a bit strange, but not unheard of here. Not that I think that they go this far with it, but between the abstentionism and FPTP in the UK and general electoral irrelevance in Eire, you could probably talk yourself into looking the other way. Up the Irish and all that bit.

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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2015, 01:44:01 PM »
I know gun control is a hot button issue but you know what also would be effective?

Stop releasing any details about the killer, period. Total blackout. Stop letting these isolated loser fucks fulfill their dreams of being known.

Mass shootings sound like any terrorist attack. I think the victims and their families would want to know the reason why they were randomly targeted but the common trend is an insignificant person using violence to become famous for a week.

You could just put that in the headlines.

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« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2015, 01:48:17 PM »
If only they would allow to openly carry on campus the shooter would have thought twice

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« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2015, 01:51:13 PM »
Stop releasing any details about the killer, period. Total blackout. Stop letting these isolated loser fucks fulfill their dreams of being known.

The media is too wide open. If you can influence most American media to stop, other outlets will just pick up slack.

Aye, at this point there's no such thing as a media blackout. Even when the authorities do the right thing and attempt to block things out, the internet is ready and willing to do everything it takes to pin the crime on someone... and if you remember what happened with internet detectives and the boston bomber. Shit can get ugly when officials try a complete blackout. 
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« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2015, 02:05:41 PM »
As someone who finds Posse Comitatus increasingly becoming one of the many laws passed to protect citizens from the state that the state ignores (no benji) while whining about the rule of law in international posturing, to a certain degree I appreciated having the internet during the Boston Marathon terrorist attack because the media sure as shit isn't going to be critical about that. Unfortunately all the Internet Poirots really did a number.

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« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2015, 02:21:29 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34423534

Apparently this guy was a conservative republican but also supported the IRA and Sinn Féin heavily (Despite SF being one of the biggest leftist parties in Europe). That's a pretty big leap between ideologies.

It's a bit strange, but not unheard of here. Not that I think that they go this far with it, but between the abstentionism and FPTP in the UK and general electoral irrelevance in Eire, you could probably talk yourself into looking the other way. Up the Irish and all that bit.

It's a rather sterotypical view of American "support" for the Irish in Ireland itself that a lot of American supporters are willing to overlook the historical leftist leanings and the significant Marxist influence in the 1916 rising to stick it to the Brits and repeat the whole resistance mantra even though Northern Ireland is an expensive boondoggle neither Westminster or Leinster House want. Although "Electoral irrelevance in Eire" is a bit dated since Gerry Adams took over as leader of the Republic branch SF and resigned his British MP. He got elected to the Irish parliment and the party's been on a resurgence as a left wing alternative who took a fair amount of scalps from Fianna Fáil last election and current polls show they may take over as main opposition in the Irish Parliament in the next general election. I can believe some Americans being ignorant of the situation though they might get a shock if Adams becomes a bigger figurehead and SF's newer politics come into view (Especially since a "United Ireland" is a much lower priority than ever to them).

It's diverting off the central point that this was an inexcusable massacre but it did show this guy had some pretty mixed up priorities and may have been a ticking time bomb. 

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« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2015, 02:36:46 PM »
I can't believe theres a NYT article on this shit, and among the COMMENTS (I know, I know...) was someone saying it's thanks to the culture of violent movies and violent videogames. That comment was HIGHLIGHTED BY NYT.

What the fuck is this shit? I know journalists aren't the most intelligent bunch of people but I expected them not to highlight such a dumb fucking comment. It legitimizes dumb shit like that, as if people who say that kind of thing have a point. Fuck that. Unbelievable how often violent video games come up when a shooting occurs.

Well it's simplistic sure but as I get older and watch kids I have to take a step back and really examine all the messages they are bombarded with on the daily. Fact is: there's too much shit being thrown at them and without a solid structure to put things in context and parse out the messages, they are left to figure shit out for themselves. Combine this with America's gun culture, our ideas that a person is a fully grown adult to be kicked out at 18 (especially if they're a guy), general lack of community involvement, isolationism, toxic internet feedback loops and you have a recipe for a lot of angry and confused youths.

People wonder why there's kind of a religious resurgence, where else in this society would you find community? In suburbia people rarely know their neighbors beyond a "hello." I grew up on the internet but I also socialized with kids in my neighborhood and had a pretty solid social structure in school. I honestly worry about how many youths expose themselves to hyper violent material, porn, etc without any real context to what they're seeing. Do I think everyone who goes through this will end up doing awful things? No. But I get a bit peeved at my generation's bullshit with "well we got exposed to the same shit and turned out fine." I don't think we did. I think we have a real blind spot for how toxic our society can be for kids on day 1.

I really, really, am rather disturbed by the toxic internet feedback loops that pretend to be support structures while they lay blame to a ton of external forces. They're constantly awash of violent rhetoric and egging each other on to go terrible things. I don't really care if some people think a lot of it is just bravado and farcical, it's toxic as hell. And as we've seen a couple times now some people will take that attitude into the real world* and do harm.

*And this is the other thing, we really let the internet become some separate entity from real life when it's not. Consciously or not we kind of ignore that we're all human beings talking on a platform and that words carry meanings. Communication is a human endeavor and regardless of whether it's typed on a computer or not, hateful rhetoric can encourage people to do abhorrent things.

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2015, 02:38:43 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2015, 02:39:48 PM »
Not really. Did I ask for censorship?

This the shit I'm talking about. So quick to dismiss.

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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2015, 02:50:09 PM »
I'd say there will always be white teenage boys that resent their surroundings and find solace in shitty online communities. These mass shooters are typically carried out by white dudes with middle class or upper middle class parents and they find enjoyment in talking to other angsty, confused white dudes.

I really think that's mainly it. Media is similar across the world now, why is it always linked to strife in the United States and yet people from every other first world country rarely worry about it?

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« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2015, 02:51:37 PM »
I'd say there will always be white teenage boys that resent their surroundings and find solace in shitty online communities. These mass shooters are typically carried out by white dudes with middle class or upper middle class parents and they find enjoyment in talking to other angsty, confused white dudes.

I really think that's mainly it. Media is similar across the world now, why is it always linked to strife in the United States and yet people from every other first world country rarely worry about it?

Isolationism. We didn't exactly build our infrastructure for socializing very well. I spent a few years in a city, come back to the burbs and I'm like "ewww this is depressing me."

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« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2015, 03:06:23 PM »
Media coverage?
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Internet anonymity?
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Guns?
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Violent video games?
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Joe Molotov

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2015, 03:09:05 PM »
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Kara

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2015, 03:09:20 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34423534

Apparently this guy was a conservative republican but also supported the IRA and Sinn Féin heavily (Despite SF being one of the biggest leftist parties in Europe). That's a pretty big leap between ideologies.

It's a bit strange, but not unheard of here. Not that I think that they go this far with it, but between the abstentionism and FPTP in the UK and general electoral irrelevance in Eire, you could probably talk yourself into looking the other way. Up the Irish and all that bit.

It's a rather sterotypical view of American "support" for the Irish in Ireland itself that a lot of American supporters are willing to overlook the historical leftist leanings and the significant Marxist influence in the 1916 rising to stick it to the Brits and repeat the whole resistance mantra even though Northern Ireland is an expensive boondoggle neither Westminster or Leinster House want. Although "Electoral irrelevance in Eire" is a bit dated since Gerry Adams took over as leader of the Republic branch SF and resigned his British MP. He got elected to the Irish parliment and the party's been on a resurgence as a left wing alternative who took a fair amount of scalps from Fianna Fáil last election and current polls show they may take over as main opposition in the Irish Parliament in the next general election.

I appended the weasel word "general" before that description to cover my ass. :bolo

It's more the Irish-American community than Americans, tbh, even before Good Friday it wasn't real big in the national consciousness. There's this bizarre expat phenomenon here where you uncritically love the "mother country" that I'm sure happens elsewhere but it's more noticeable here since all we all are are expats.

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2015, 03:39:58 PM »
The sentence "I experienced that and turned out fine" is usually neglecting the ending "despite that"

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2015, 04:38:42 PM »
I know gun control is a hot button issue but you know what also would be effective?

Stop releasing any details about the killer, period. Total blackout. Stop letting these isolated loser fucks fulfill their dreams of being known.



Wouldn't this be a First Amendment issue?

VomKriege

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2015, 05:01:02 PM »
I can't believe theres a NYT article on this shit, and among the COMMENTS (I know, I know...) was someone saying it's thanks to the culture of violent movies and violent videogames. That comment was HIGHLIGHTED BY NYT.

What the fuck is this shit? I know journalists aren't the most intelligent bunch of people but I expected them not to highlight such a dumb fucking comment. It legitimizes dumb shit like that, as if people who say that kind of thing have a point. Fuck that. Unbelievable how often violent video games come up when a shooting occurs.

Well it's simplistic sure but as I get older and watch kids I have to take a step back and really examine all the messages they are bombarded with on the daily. (Snipped the rest).

Not that I disagree with you (quite the contrary) but I am not really sure things are actually degrading. Bored middle class kids in search for purpose during the sixties ended up taking their card at the Communist Party (In Europe at least). Was that really better ? (Semi serious analogy, don't take it too seriously  :ussrcry).

We can ponder about society, the world & everything but really the first step towards adressing gun violence would be to make a better job at regulating guns.
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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2015, 10:26:45 PM »

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Kara

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2015, 10:37:42 PM »
Joining the Communist Party. :preach

Joe Molotov

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2015, 10:42:29 PM »
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recursivelyenumerable

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2015, 10:54:17 PM »
Wait, is that Sanders infographic pro or anti gun control?  ???
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benjipwns

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Re: 13 dead, 20 wounded in Oregon college shooting
« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2015, 11:00:29 PM »