Author Topic: Battlefield Hardline got a bad rap for no reason (Read 3256 times)

Am_I_Anonymous · « **on:** October 21, 2015, 08:09:41 AM »

Seriously got it free from the EA Vault and I'm having a blast. Blood Money and Heists are great game modes.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2015, 10:51:48 AM »

It probably is decent and as more of an infantry player it would probably suit my tastes.

The problem is, it wasn't what the community wanted. The community wants a new Bad Company. Or a new Battlefield 2142. They didn't ask nor want Hardline.

The game died almost immediately on PC. It still has a community on consoles but its a smaller community than the bf 4 community.

My main issue was that it didn't go deep enough into the whole cops and robbers experience. I wanted something more along the lines of the heists in GTA. Something that completely embraced the concept rather than a slightly reskinned battlefield version of it.

That being said, I'm sure the gunplay is solid, and its probably decently fun.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2015, 10:58:17 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2015, 10:51:48 AM

It probably is decent and as more of an infantry player it would probably suit my tastes.

The problem is, it wasn't what the community wanted. The community wants a new Bad Company. Or a new Battlefield 2142. They didn't ask nor want Hardline.

The game died almost immediately on PC. It still has a community on consoles but its a smaller community than the bf 4 community.

My main issue was that it didn't go deep enough into the whole cops and robbers experience. I wanted something more along the lines of the heists in GTA. Something that completely embraced the concept rather than a slightly reskinned battlefield version of it.

That being said, I'm sure the gunplay is solid, and its probably decently fun.

I mean it'll do the trick until battlefront comes out. Its definitely NOT as good as Bad Company 2, though, that's for sure.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2015, 11:04:35 AM »

I may get it and download it just for those reasons. To tide me over until Black Ops and Battlefront come out next month.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2015, 11:09:28 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2015, 11:04:35 AM

I may get it and download it just for those reasons. To tide me over until Black Ops and Battlefront come out next month.

If you have the bone it's free on EA (as I'm sure you know) so the price is right.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2015, 02:13:52 PM »

I've never understood people's love for Bad Company 2. It really had the worst version of conquest thanks to small maps, unspeclized control points, and control points that were always basicly close to each other. It felt like you were always funnled to the points and none of the maps felt big and open. Which to me is a big thing about BF. I honestly think BC2 is pretty shit.

Hardline was ok but at the end it just felt like a skin more than anything and at that point I'd rather just continue playing BF4 where I have everything unlocked that I want and am ready to go.

Bebpo · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2015, 02:16:27 PM »

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on October 21, 2015, 02:13:52 PM

I've never understood people's love for Bad Company 2. It really had the worst version of conquest thanks to small maps, unspeclized control points, and control points that were always basicly close to each other. It felt like you were always funnled to the points and none of the maps felt big and open. Which to me is a big thing about BF. I honestly think BC2 is pretty shit.

Hardline was ok but at the end it just felt like a skin more than anything and at that point I'd rather just continue playing BF4 where I have everything unlocked that I want and am ready to go.

Single Player.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2015, 02:20:59 PM »

I really love Bad Company 2. I think you have to judge it relative to its time. The destruction was amazing for its time. It definitely had some issues but it was a really fun re-interpretation of battlefield on the multiplayer side.

It also had the best versions of rush.

Some people also liked the campaigns and the characters in it. The game was legit funny with its characters.

mormapope · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2015, 02:21:12 PM »

Bad Company 2 is or was the best Battlefield game on consoles . Every other console Battlefield game was some weird, extremely nerfed version of Battlefield 2 in one way or another. Bad Company was Battlefield meant for console players.

toku · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2015, 03:58:39 PM »

Quote from: mormapope on October 21, 2015, 02:21:12 PM

Bad Company 2 is or was the best Battlefield game on consoles . Every other console Battlefield game was some weird, extremely nerfed version of Battlefield 2 in one way or another. Bad Company was Battlefield meant for console players.

Might have been meant for consoles but BC2 still regularly gets placed high for pc gamers. Game was just fun. Vehicles were good and Infantry was good. You had weapons to work towards but they weren't ridiculous goals (lol i see you bf4) and maps were fun.

BC2 just fucking worked

mormapope · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2015, 04:16:28 PM »

Battlefield 2 is still my favorite, but Bad Company 2 is a great multiplayer game. Enough customization to change things up but still simple/refined enough that it doesn't influence gameplay that much. Maps were great when it came to funneling the action, rarely felt like you'd be shot in the back randomly. Vehicles are really powerful tools and don't feel like cannon fodder.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2015, 04:53:59 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on October 21, 2015, 02:16:27 PM

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on October 21, 2015, 02:13:52 PM
I've never understood people's love for Bad Company 2. It really had the worst version of conquest thanks to small maps, unspeclized control points, and control points that were always basicly close to each other. It felt like you were always funnled to the points and none of the maps felt big and open. Which to me is a big thing about BF. I honestly think BC2 is pretty shit.

Hardline was ok but at the end it just felt like a skin more than anything and at that point I'd rather just continue playing BF4 where I have everything unlocked that I want and am ready to go.

Single Player.

Are you serious?

Oh, Bebier...

Bebpo · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2015, 05:01:17 PM »

It's one of the only military FPS games where the story campaign is semi-decent thanks to a sense of humor and an alright cast. I'm trying to play Advance Warfare campaign and it's just total detached shit arcade shooting gallery, which is what these military FPS campaigns have been for years and years now. So Bad Company 2 was one of the last ones that was enjoyable before the genre gave up on single player.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2015, 05:43:31 PM »

My

is toward you assuming people were playing the single-player, dude. You're a (I'm totally joking here) freak of nature to consider single-player in shooters post-1999.

For real though: I've dumped 1,000-1,500 hours into BC2 and only about 2-6 of them were to finish the single-player on PS3 for the achievements.

Kara · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2015, 08:12:09 PM »

I don't think I played anything but the single player in the first Bad Company. It was very Kelly's Heroes.

Vietnam is my fav game in the series though.

toku · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2015, 08:13:22 PM »

Quote from: Kara on October 21, 2015, 08:12:09 PM

I don't think I played anything but the single player in the first Bad Company. It was very Kelly's Heroes.

Vietnam is my fav game in the series though.

Used to play with a clan for a bit during vietnam. I remember getting home from school and doing punji stick placement training for matches lmao

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2015, 06:55:22 AM »

Bad company 2 just....felt...better than BF3 or BF4. I can't really explain it other than to say if you played it, you know.

Hardline kinda feels like COD meets BC2 minus the OP choppers. It isn't nearly as good as BC2 as I've said before, but its enough to keep me interested until Battlefront.

Also who the FUCK plays Battlefield for SP? LOL I never once played any SP mode in any BF to date.

Also Kara is right that vietnam release was the shit. Good stuff. Fighting around that temple was

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2015, 11:36:04 AM »

Nah, BC2 feels janky and slow now compared to BF3/4's gunplay. All the other crap may not be to your liking, but 3 and 4 do play a lot better when it comes to the simple movement and shooting.

But yeah I don't like BC2 in general. I don't like Rush at all and Rush being the main focus of BC multiplayer has it bleed into Conquest. So I really don't like the maps and how small and player funneling they felt.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2015, 12:45:43 PM »

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on October 22, 2015, 11:36:04 AM

Nah, BC2 feels janky and slow now compared to BF3/4's gunplay. All the other crap may not be to your liking, but 3 and 4 do play a lot better when it comes to the simple movement and shooting.

But yeah I don't like BC2 in general. I don't like Rush at all and Rush being the main focus of BC multiplayer has it bleed into Conquest. So I really don't like the maps and how small and player funneling they felt.

In my opinion Arica Harbor Rush is a better map/game mode than anything BF3 or 4 had.

metro was shit, so please don't say that one.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2015, 01:12:12 PM »

I think that map beat proves my point actually.

I can't speak about Rush because Rush to me is pretty much he complete opposite of what I play Battlefield for. I think it's inclusion is one of the worst things to happen as now they have to mak maps to accommodate it. To me BF is about big maps not being funnled to chocke points which is all Rush is.

The conquest version of that map pretty much summarizes what I dislike about BC2. There's just three control points, all next to each other, and in a straight line. Nothing's spread out and everything is super close to you that it leaves little options for flanking and player diversions. Also the control points themselves are so boring. In BF2 many control points would be set pieces themselves with them being in bunkers or buildings that had many ways to approach them leading to pretty fun battles just to take that specific point. The TV station on Sharqui Penenzula is so awesome and tense as you walk up those stairs or parachute to the top. BC2 never had anything like that. In that map you have control point on the road, further up the road, and down the road with a building. Also every player is always near them so whatever. M

BF3 had pretty terrible maps but the DLC was pretty good because again they felt more like BF2 maps. 4 was much improved but maybe because the Ps4 and xbone versions didn't have to be as consolized and Rush seems to be less of a focus.

No Metro and that Prision map from 4 are terrible.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2015, 01:38:55 PM »

See I like the Rush mode personally. That probably is why we differ opinions on what game is good in the series.

One thing I think we all can agree on, 1943 was the best XBLA game of all time.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2015, 06:07:54 PM »

Oh, the be an asshole cop one? I'd get this for like 10 or 20 sometime to laugh at it I guess.

benjipwns · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2015, 12:24:12 AM »

BC2 has some very large maps. Rush actually shows the full size of many of them. Conquest versions just chop off the two ends.

That said some of the Conquest maps are still pretty huge, especially if you don't have a vehicle. And I believe there are server side switches which can use larger versions of them much like in BF2.

BC2's single player has two epic moments (that like two in MoH, I think top the CoD campaigns since 2), coming down the hill during the blizzard, and then the Bolivian salt lake semi-open world part.

BC2's main draw is that, outside of some quirks in the unlock trees, it's just incredibly well balanced even when vehicles are active, and DICE admits that this happened kinda by accident. Which is why no BC3 yet, they can't "re-create" it. But they know how to do old Battlefield.

Arica Harbor Rush when one side constantly loses until the bridge (since nobody ever seems to know you can go under it) and then they push you back into the town and the whole area gets leveled.

The two or three segment Rush maps stink, but the four or five segment ones make the mode work. It even makes Metro palatable when you finally get out of the tunnels. (And retrospectively makes that hell slog seem like an accomplishment.)

Kara · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2015, 12:47:15 AM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 06:55:22 AM

Also Kara is right that vietnam release was the shit. Good stuff. Fighting around that temple was

The maps often didn't look great (and the poor optimization didn't help) but they were just hectic fun, especially with the emphasis on surprise attacks.

benjipwns · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2015, 01:11:23 AM »

The problem with the Vietnam games were that you could pass your cursor over the grass and jungle and players usernames would pop-up. Which kinda defeated the point of using that setting.

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Author Topic: Battlefield Hardline got a bad rap for no reason (Read 3256 times)