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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #120 on: November 17, 2015, 08:00:20 AM »


A shield used by BRI at the Bataclan. It helped 18 police officers evacuate 20 hostages. It was hit 27 times... Those things can beat a beating.
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« Reply #121 on: November 17, 2015, 03:05:56 PM »
All sorts of crazy rumors out of Hannover. Only certain thing is that the football game was canceled and stadium evacuated because of a threat deemed serious.
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« Reply #122 on: November 17, 2015, 03:31:07 PM »
All sorts of crazy rumors out of Hannover. Only certain thing is that the football game was canceled and stadium evacuated because of a threat deemed serious.
The police apparently found a car bomb disguised as a rescue vehicle for the stadium. Not sure if this is 100% confirmed though.
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« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2015, 03:42:21 PM »
Official press conference stated no devices and no arrests so far.
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« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2015, 04:45:04 PM »
And no information about anything, really. To not unsettle people. (Because that's how that works, ahem.) So, either they don't know much either, or what they is so sensitive they have to keep every detail confidential.

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« Reply #125 on: November 18, 2015, 04:11:15 AM »
A terrorist cell has been raided this night by French police in Saint Denis, just north of Paris. Operations are still ongoing, as one man is still entrenched in the flat. 5 people arrested, including 3 from the flat, 2 dead including a woman who detonated an explosive vest, heavy exchange of fire in the middle of the night.

EDIT : Boko Haram detonated an explosive device in Nigeria and killed 32 people. The Green Scourge never sleeps...
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« Reply #126 on: November 18, 2015, 05:34:13 AM »
If you want to live in an area with minimal threat of terrorism I would suggest Ireland.

Move to a town like Cork or Galway.

Only immigrants there are Polacks  :)

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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #127 on: November 18, 2015, 05:46:12 AM »
Ireland is a very nice country, but I have a personal favor for rocky, swampy Scotland.

Police operation has been said to be over. 7 arrests total, 2 dead. 5 police officers injured and a K9 was killed.
If the explosive device is confirmed to be a vest, it could indicate that more attacks were probably planned.
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« Reply #128 on: November 18, 2015, 08:24:26 AM »
Scotland has the better scenery no doubt, but I think the Irish are more friendly.

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« Reply #129 on: November 18, 2015, 08:44:28 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1141979

Russia is bombing ISIS with TU-160's and dropping heavy payloads.

GAF "It's all America's fault, we're sorry"

I fucking hate these people.
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« Reply #130 on: November 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM »
Fucking West will cozy up to Russia as always ignoring all the shit they do and people they support (Assad).

See France will send over those Aircraft carriers anytime now.


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« Reply #131 on: November 18, 2015, 09:25:55 AM »
The Charles de Gaulle carrier has left Toulon this morning.

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« Reply #132 on: November 18, 2015, 11:43:49 AM »
If you want to live in an area with minimal threat of terrorism I would suggest Ireland.

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« Reply #133 on: November 18, 2015, 12:09:34 PM »
The Charles de Gaulle carrier has left Toulon this morning.

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I ment those ones Russia ordered

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« Reply #134 on: November 18, 2015, 12:27:48 PM »
If you want to live in an area with minimal threat of terrorism I would suggest Ireland.

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« Reply #135 on: November 18, 2015, 12:36:05 PM »
If that were true we'd line each side of the queue of referees coming out of Syria with peace lines. Problem solved. 

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« Reply #136 on: November 18, 2015, 01:29:55 PM »
Over 5000 rounds of ammunition expanded by police in today's raid, according by the head of antiterrorist inquisition judge.
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« Reply #137 on: November 18, 2015, 01:40:53 PM »
That's a good little TIC.


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« Reply #138 on: November 18, 2015, 01:58:57 PM »
'head of antiterrorist inquisition judge'

That sounds like a title out of an anime. 

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« Reply #139 on: November 18, 2015, 03:34:46 PM »
Yeah not sure it's the proper name so went literal. France has an inquisition system, a judge is leading the investigation. Anti terror ones have extra prerogatives and sometimes even do choose which intelligence agencies to work with (on top of all the classic secret service ones, police, Paris police, gendarmerie and military have specialist teams as well). Most famous judge was Bruguière, seen a lot in the media and controversial (he produced a very lackluster investigation on the attack on the plane of the Rwanda president that started the genocide).

This hugely informal and transversal setup have been blunted somewhat in last years. Home intelligence has been folded into a single entity and there's a definite streak of making them report more directly to the executive, pushing justice out of the loop.

French security apparatus is a bit arcane.

EDIT : So arcane I was wrong. François Molins is the head of Paris public ministry prosecution. He is the one giving mandate to the judges leading the investigations.

EDIT02 : I would expect more operations in coming days. State of emergency has been extended to three months and police will make the most of it for raiding and seizing. Moreover, until the whereabouts of Abaaoud (Belgian IS operative, suspected to oversee operations here or so we're told) and Abdeslam (one of the shooters) are not confirmed, I would expect high alert. Those two slipping away would be a bit of a blow for European security agencies. The only thing we can take solace with is that today's raid seems to indicate some efficient work and leads to work with.
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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #140 on: November 18, 2015, 04:39:38 PM »
The Charles de Gaulle carrier has left Toulon this morning.

International politics are the biggest sausage factory of them all.

I ment those ones Russia ordered

Yeah. It cannot be helped really. Russia is following its own agenda, but really that's what we all do. Striking IS is de facto helping Assad anyway.

As for the fleets, I expect Franco-Russian communications to be cordial but not amount to a lot except for public show, I'd be a lot more confident that the HMS Defender will actually be included in the carrier group operation. I imagine that over Raqqa the French and Russian airforce are at the very least coordinating sorties, but on the whole I don't expect NATO to be all merry, for obvious reasons. I'd say Russia was smart playing their cards with this. Also it must be said that Russia has a lot of assets in Syria, they currently occupy four bases with 4000 men, 50 planes and 16 choppers (and they of course have a permanent naval installation on Syria's coast).

Sending strategic bombers is a bit bonkers tho. Russian living up to the overkill cliché...
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« Reply #141 on: November 18, 2015, 04:56:05 PM »
Russian ordinance is way behind the US in "smart" guidance too.

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« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2015, 05:36:01 PM »
Russian ordinance is way behind the US in "smart" guidance too.

That too. I have read that some observers were very skeptical of the state of the RuAF after the Georgian war, where they suffered pretty high losses considering how much Georgia was outgunned. The cynical in me thinks that Russia is also working on the image of its force projection here.
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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2015, 06:12:26 PM »


A 13 minutes video taken in the street where the operation unfolded this morning. Gives a good impression of how massive the gunfight was. Lots of radio chatter as well and the usual politeness of French police at 1:35. Seems to be at the very start of the operation.

That building was a total shithole, a squat even according to some testimonies. The floor caved in in one of the apartments during the assault. Forensics only just started work because the structure had to be reinforced to allow them in safely.
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« Reply #144 on: November 19, 2015, 02:26:44 AM »
dunno if this got posted

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As with the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the 2005 London Underground bombings, what seems to be emerging from the fragmentary reports so far is that the Paris attacks were carried out by a loose network of family, friends, and fellow travelers who may have each followed their own, somewhat independent paths to radical Islam before joining up with ISIS. But their closely coordinated actions at multiple sites in Paris indicate a significant degree of training, collective planning, and command and control by the Islamic State (including via encrypted messages), under the likely direction of Abdelhamid Abaooud, known as Abu Omar, “The Belgian,” a twenty-seven-year-old of Moroccan origin from Molenbeek, a former jail mate of Salah Abdelslam, who is known to have traveled back and forth between Europe and the Middle East.

Such coordination has been facilitated by the very large contingent of French foreign fighters in Syria. In April, French Senator Jean-Pierre Suer said that 1,430 men and women from France had made their way to Iraq and Syria, up from just twenty as of 2012. About 20 percent of these people are converts. The latest report from West Point’s Center for Combating Terrorism, which has detailed records on 182 French fighters, notes that most are in their twenties. About 25 percent come from the Paris area, with the rest scattered over smaller regions throughout France. According to France’s Interior Ministry, 571 French citizens or residents are presently in Syria and Iraq, some with al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat an-Nusra, but most with ISIS. More than 260 people are known to have returned to France, and more than 2,000 people from France have been directly implicated in the jihadi pipeline to and from the region, which extends across Europe: police have already made arrests in Belgium and Germany related to the Paris attacks, and traced the entry into Europe of one of the attackers, a Syrian national, through Greece.

French counterterrorism surveillance data (FSPRT) has identified 11,400 radical Islamists, 25 percent of whom are women and 16 percent minors—among the minors, females are in a majority. Legal proceedings are now underway against 646 people suspected of involvement in terrorist activity. French Prime Minister Manuel Valls conceded after Friday’s attacks that even keeping full track of those suspected of being prone to violent acts is practically impossible: around-the-clock surveillance of a single individual requires ten to twenty security agents, of which there are only 6,500 for all of France.

Nor is it a matter of controlling the flow of people into France. France’s Center for the Prevention of Sectarian Drift Related to Islam (CPDSI) estimates that 90 percent of French citizens who have radical Islamist beliefs have French grandparents and 80 percent come from non-religious families. In fact, most Europeans who are drawn into jihad are “born again” into radical religion by their social peers. In France, and in Europe more generally, more than three of every four recruits join the Islamic State together with friends, while only one in five do so with family members and very few through direct recruitment by strangers. Many of these young people identify with neither the country their parents come from nor the country in which they live. Other identities are weak and non-motivating. One woman in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois described her conversion as being like that of a transgender person who opts out of the gender assigned at birth: “I was like a Muslim trapped in a Christian body,” she said. She believed she was only able to live fully as a Muslim with dignity in the Islamic State.

For others who have struggled to find meaning in their lives, ISIS is a thrilling cause and call to action that promises glory and esteem in the eyes of friends, and through friends, eternal respect and remembrance in the wider world that many of them will never live to enjoy. A July 2014 poll by ICM Research suggested that more than one in four French youth of all creeds between the ages of eighteen and twenty-four have a favorable or very favorable opinion of ISIS. Even if these estimates are high, in our own interviews with young people in the vast and soulless housing projects of the Paris banlieues we found surprisingly wide tolerance or support for ISIS among young people who want to be rebels with a cause—who want, as they see it, to defend the oppressed.

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2015/nov/16/paris-attacks-isis-strategy-chaos/


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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #145 on: November 20, 2015, 12:09:14 AM »
Fucking hell.

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« Reply #146 on: November 20, 2015, 12:13:12 AM »
I mean my uncle who was special forces longer than any of us have been alive said the Internet has made everybody a threat. Can't argue with that logic
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« Reply #147 on: November 20, 2015, 12:16:15 AM »
you can't argue against stupidity, that's absolutely true  :doge
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« Reply #148 on: November 20, 2015, 12:17:36 AM »
you can't argue against stupidity, that's absolutely true  :doge

i think his point is anybody can google how to make a bomb dude.
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« Reply #149 on: November 20, 2015, 12:19:52 AM »
such searing insight comes only from decades of special forces training :doge

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« Reply #150 on: November 20, 2015, 12:26:46 AM »
such searing insight comes only from decades of special forces training :doge

Awesome let's insult a 64 year old because he doesn't interweb as well as you do.

Protip: Still isn't going to make you a better person.
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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #151 on: November 20, 2015, 04:50:51 AM »
An hostage crisis in the Radisson Hotel in Bamako, Mali. You may remember Mali currently homes a French expeditionary force which intervened to push back rebel groups. Like all countries nearby, Mali has had to contend with Tuareg grievances for a long time. Tuareg armed groups have recently been taking a more djihadist turn, with groups like Ansar Dine and AQIM, the latter being active in all Sahel. I'm not up to date with allegiances there, I don't know if AQIM make the choice to nominally put themselves under ISIS... Nevertheless, Ansar Dine recently called for action against French interests and assets, probably not wanting to look idle while the IS is conducting terrorist attacks on several fronts.

The Radisson houses a lot of expatriates, NGO members, diplomats, flight personnel, some French soldiers as well. French troops are assisting Mali forces in locking down the area and a contingent of special forces have been put on alert in Ouagadougou. 140 patrons and 30 employees are held hostages by 2 (or 3?) armed men. EDIT : Mali security forces just said they suspect up to 10 attackers. Rumors of attackers entering the premises in a diplomatic car. The Radisson is supposedly highly secured : armed guards and in the heart of the capital city where Mali and France troops are patrolling.

Otherwise, as expected, Russia has made clear that its fleet in the Med will not integrate the French carrier group, but strike at the same objectives (implying a modicum of mutual planning, as for the air attacks). Russia will also send more Sukhoi planes down in Syria.

Lastly, you probably know that Abaaoud, the belgian "mastermind" (commanding officer may be truer) has been killed in Wesneday morning raid in Saint Denis, north of Paris. A third body has just been found in the rubble, as was speculated by the officials. Justice is trying to piece back Abaaoud involvement. He has been captured by CCTV in the subway at Montreuil, at 10pm the night of the attacks, 300m from where one the cars used was left with assaults rifles.
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« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2015, 07:13:57 AM »
http://www.arretsurimages.net/breves/2015-11-18/Le-magazine-de-l-Etat-Islamique-gomme-les-femmes-de-Paris-id19468

The IS magazine airbrushes women out of the pictures of the Paris attacks.
Those fucking bigots :neogaf
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« Reply #153 on: November 20, 2015, 07:53:15 AM »
I mean my uncle who was special forces longer than any of us have been alive said the Internet has made everybody a threat. Can't argue with that logic
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« Reply #154 on: November 20, 2015, 10:47:23 AM »
Reports from Bamako now talk of 18 dead people. It's still unclear how many people have been exfiltrated from the Hotel but 30 at the very least. Malian forces are assaulting the place with the help of US special forces operatives and a French RAID officer ("Military consultants" maybe). A detachment of French Gendarmerie GIGN troops have also been dispatched at Bamako. An islamist organisation has made a claim for the attack, apparently one that resulted from a merge including the group responsible for the In Amenas attack in southern Algeria a couple years back (which itself had ties with AQIM and before that, GIA*) but it is hard to verify the veracity of that now. Witness reports that the attackers may be communicating among themselves in English.

Mali officials have just stated that no hostage are any longer within the custody of the attackers.
Malian presidency thanking foreign assistance. UN mission and other African troops also were involved. Sounds the situation is mostly over ?

* That fucking Algerian civil war. Sadly gave the tone for the last 20 years.
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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #155 on: November 21, 2015, 04:05:38 AM »
The Brussels region have raised their alertness to the maximum level : Subway is closed, along with some of the tramway lines. Authorities call for limiting your presence in transports, public pieces and gatherings if possible. Stay safe, Belgium.

EDIT : Former DGSE (French intelligence) agent now living in Brussels casually said on public radio that he heard that the man arrested yesterday in Belgium received during his interrogation a text message saying "The jew is not here".
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EDIT02 : That bit seemingly comes from La Dernière Heure, which is the New York Post equivalent for Brussels  :neogaf
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« Reply #156 on: November 21, 2015, 10:45:50 AM »
Thanks for the updates, VK.

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« Reply #157 on: November 21, 2015, 01:53:56 PM »
I'm a Parisian through and through but I do know and love Brussels a bit.

I'm honestly a bit surprised by the current situation. Unlike the friendly football game canceled in Hannover, Belgian governement has been very specific about their warnings: malls, underground transport system, railway stations. According to BBC bars have been asked to shut early. Movie theaters closed, most football games canceled, also concerts. The city center (Brussels proper) is super quiet and devoid of activity.

Either they are overly cautious or they have clear intelligence. Just looking for the Paris killer on the loose wouldn't justify such drastic measures.

Le Soir (reputable Belgian paper) claims two suspects are sought for, one with an explosive device.
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« Reply #158 on: November 22, 2015, 01:36:34 AM »
Belgian ministers (Vice-PM and Interior) confirmed on TV that they are looking for multiple men. Situation will be reviewed through the weekend but subway is expected to be partly closed at least until Monday.

In Bamako, the fallout of the Hotel attack is a bit sketchy. Two attackers have been killed, but three more people are wanted. It's unclear if they took part directly.

Two bits of info you may not find in english speaking media regarding France : Yesterday a support demonstration was held in Toulouse, but a lot of people present expressed discomfort because of the presence of union and political leaders in front. All league football games are supposed to open with a minute of silence and the national anthem, but the match between Bastia and Ajaccio (two corsican clubs) was programmed to have the song Dio vi salvi Regina instead, which serves as a corsican nationalist anthem. Bit of an outcry over that, and the decision was reversed (along with the match being delayed for weather). The Bastia Football Club ownership has always been linked to shady business, organized crime and nationalist groups.
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« Reply #159 on: November 22, 2015, 09:15:54 AM »
Belgian ministers (Vice-PM and Interior) confirmed on TV that they are looking for multiple men.

Europe is so progressive.  No wonder ISIS hates them. 

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« Reply #160 on: November 22, 2015, 05:26:46 PM »
Belgians tweeting cat photos with #BrusselsLockdown to help the blackout asked by police so as to bury potentially compromising info on raids :lol

What a country.
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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #161 on: November 23, 2015, 01:54:19 PM »
An explosive belt was found at Montrouge (sourthern Paris periphery) in a trash bin. Experts are trying to determine if it is the same explosive material as the one used elsewhere last week.

Suspect on the run Salah Abdelslam has been believed by police, through cell phone information, to be near that point after the attacks, before taking a car up to the 18th district of the capital where he was later picked up by two friends that transported him to Belgium (car was controlled north of France). The IS statement mentioned 8 attackers (instead of the 7 killed that night) and the 18th district as one of the targets.

It would seem fairly reasonable to assume, as rumors and unverifiable reports said for a few days now, that Salah Abdelslam was supposed to blow himself up like his own brother but pussied out. If so, he may currently be hiding both from police and from some of his employers.
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« Reply #162 on: November 23, 2015, 09:05:19 PM »
Apparently the police in France can conduct warrantless searches atm. And months from now (approximately 3) too. :holeup

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« Reply #163 on: November 24, 2015, 02:49:24 AM »
Apparently the police in France can conduct warrantless searches atm. And months from now (approximately 3) too. :holeup

Well I mean yeah that's what a state of emergency is buddy.
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« Reply #164 on: November 24, 2015, 02:55:58 AM »
Apparently the police in France can conduct warrantless searches atm. And months from now (approximately 3) too. :holeup

Yes, that's one of the perks of the state of emergency. There's been a couple of news blurbs (massive seizing of cocaïne in Paris, a cop being killed during a raid on the flat of an arm trafficker) that suggest the police is making the most of it, be it about terrorism or not. To be fair, the governement better be very efficient in unrooting all known potential terrorist cells with those extended powers considering just how much a leeway they asked (state of emergency is 12 days max without parliament voting extension).

Everyone is leaving the shell shocked state now and people start raising eyebrows on a number of issues. I think the governement has been a little too keen to use a very martial lexicon and to force through a couple of security reforms as fast as they could. There will also be a lot of blowback from the investigation if it turns there's still one or two men running around (regardless of the quality of the police work)... also when people will get tired of the bland reports from the military intervention (breakthrough will probably not happen overnight). By being so overly severe with words, they contribute to desensitize the citizens (we're barely more "at war" than we were before) and to set up further loss of trust in the institutions when it will turn out that IS will not be "destroyed" or when a new attack will hit.

There's regional elections in two weeks. I don't know how events will impact them but I am doubtful it really will. Expect very good results from the far-right party which could maybe get to the presidency of a handful of regional councils.  Socialists will maybe get a boost from the situation but it will only translate to a slighty less impressive rout.
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« Reply #165 on: November 24, 2015, 10:53:50 AM »
I think it's also important to keep in mind with regards to the prolonged state of emergency :

- We know for some time now that because of Syrian civil war the number of individuals deemed as a possible threat far outstretches the capacity of intelligence agencies.
- The November attacks were carried out despite beefed up security measures decided in January. It's the second major one this year, adding to a number of close calls (Thalys gunman) and foiled plots.
- France is hosting a major climate summit and perhaps more importantly Football Euro Championship next summer.
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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #166 on: December 01, 2015, 10:47:43 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/world/europe/how-the-paris-attackers-honed-their-assault-through-trial-and-error.html

A surprising lack of coordination and consequences. At every turn, pretty much.

And we still seem to think that collecting more data will solve these problems.

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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #167 on: December 04, 2015, 01:12:26 PM »
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/672374708982140928

...I don't even know. Are they that scared of LePen? That can't be it, can it?

Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #168 on: December 04, 2015, 01:28:03 PM »
France ironically turning into pre-Arab Spring Algeria


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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #169 on: December 04, 2015, 05:58:09 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/world/europe/how-the-paris-attackers-honed-their-assault-through-trial-and-error.html

A surprising lack of coordination and consequences. At every turn, pretty much.

And we still seem to think that collecting more data will solve these problems.

I think there's a general misconception of what intelligence agencies can do and it's apparent in every debate following an attack since it's always framed in "Did spooks fuck up ?". New tools and more importantly more agents would probably do good but would never solve the problem. There's also a reason why intelligence agencies, police and army are "understaffed" and it's because states are not made of money and permanent police presence is in itself not necessarily the type of society we want to live in.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/672374708982140928

...I don't even know. Are they that scared of LePen? That can't be it, can it?

No it's not that. Elections will carry as planned and we'll see in a couple days just how far the far right reach (My bet : farer than before). It will not deter that in any way.
I would surmise that potential project is supposed to match some sort of security assessment. It better be because otherwise I think it will be a tough sell. Even with a good pitch, I don't see how it could be seen as justified to extend it without any deadline now instead of reassessing the situation with the Parliament when current emergency state will end.

I'm a bit at a loss why a governement would like to send the message that the current situation is as bad than during the Algerian war.

I haven't seen that bit picked up in newspapers yet, but Prime Minister Valls did adress an extension a few days ago. Valls is a very grating guy, sort of a center left toned down Sarkozy. It's his schtick to be the stern Republican combining the best of conservative stance on security and social progress value or something. All those fuckers self-style themselves as Clemenceau :neogaf .

TL, DR : It's gonna be pretty shitty over here in the immediate future.
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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #170 on: December 04, 2015, 06:07:28 PM »
Also, not unlike what happened over Libya, France is already running low on bomb ammunitions because of current operations against the IS and has placed a priority order for more (replenishing the stock was originally scheduled for Q4 2016). Just another reminder that even the foremost militaries in Western Europe are not fitted for extensive action via their most cutting edge assets.

There too there's a misconception of what can be done by the general public.
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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #171 on: December 05, 2015, 12:11:28 AM »
According to USA Today, the USAF too is running out of munitions:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/03/isil-iraq-syria-hellfire-missiles-drones/76741954/

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"We're in the business of killing terrorists and business is good," Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James said in statement.

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Re: Multiple Shootings/Bombings in Paris
« Reply #172 on: December 05, 2015, 05:32:38 AM »
Same thing than the staffing really : Those thing cost money. Besides Western countries strategy doesn't account (for better or worst) for long large conflicts.
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