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How does one classify a Muslim though according to Trump?
These days I'm not surprised by politicians who hold radical positions. I'm more dismayed by the popular support they get. People vote for scumbags like these.
Kinda surprised the president or media hasn't already called this man a bigot.
This is what happens when you let that "both sides" shit take hold.
http://time.com/4139975/trump-scheduled-rnc-fundraiser/RNC just dropped trump from their fundraiser...
Quote from: Barry Egan on December 07, 2015, 08:42:02 PMhttp://time.com/4139975/trump-scheduled-rnc-fundraiser/RNC just dropped trump from their fundraiser...To be fair, I believe it says "no presidential candidates" not just trump?
"Well I think this whole notion that somehow we need to say no more Muslims and just ban a whole religion goes against everything we stand for and believe in. I mean religious freedom’s been a very important part of our, our history.”— Dick Cheney, the former vice president, speaking to the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt and referring to a proposal by Donald J. Trump to bar Muslims from entering the country.
Quote from: Shadow Mod on December 07, 2015, 05:06:07 PMThis is what happens when you let that "both sides" shit take hold.Gross.
But what does that mean? If someone voices "a side" that has zero support, then .... ?
"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."
You know, it's kinda neat to see history repeating itself. Like I wonder if this "hijacked" feeling is what Germans felt when Hitler was running for power.
Quote"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9869308/donald-trump-close-up-the-internet-bill-gates#show-last-Point
Maybe in an era of three broadcast stations that concern has some kind of merit, but when Youtube personalities get more eyeballs than a typical news program and anyone can create a platform of their own, it seems like an antiquated idea. Pandora's box is open and there is only one way to close it.Plus, mainstream news knows that acrimony gets the most attention. I've seen them trawl Twitter or YouTube comments just to get a "counter point" on even the most benign topic. It appears to be human nature.
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2015, 12:52:55 AMQuote"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9869308/donald-trump-close-up-the-internet-bill-gates#show-last-PointThe internet is a series of tubes. You just block the bad tubes.
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 08, 2015, 09:00:08 AMQuote from: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2015, 12:52:55 AMQuote"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9869308/donald-trump-close-up-the-internet-bill-gates#show-last-PointThe internet is a series of tubes. You just block the bad tubes.Build a wall around the Internet, and we'll have a door, and the good ones, we'll let them back in.
Quote from: Shadow Mod on December 07, 2015, 05:06:07 PMThis is what happens when you let that "both sides" shit take hold.Yeah, I remember in the run-up to the Gore/Bush election, everyone said, "There's no difference between which side you vote! They're all corrupt!" Sure, maybe that's true, but can anyone say with any honesty that we would have gone back to Iraq if Gore had been in office? And that's eschewing discussion about the differences inherent between an environmentalist and an oil tycoon.
This explains why, during one inspection showdown in 1998, a Gallup poll found that nearly 70 percent of Americans wanted President Clinton to use airstrikes to target Hussein himself (instead of just his supposed weapons installations), and 60 percent wanted American ground forces to launch an invasion.
. . .It should be noted that when he announced his opposition to Bush’s war push in the fall of ’02, Gore endorsed the basic goal of removing Hussein and securing his (supposed) WMD stockpiles. What he objected to was more the go-it-alone nature of Bush’s approach.
This is an interesting piece:http://www.salon.com/2011/08/30/gore_president_iraq/QuoteThis explains why, during one inspection showdown in 1998, a Gallup poll found that nearly 70 percent of Americans wanted President Clinton to use airstrikes to target Hussein himself (instead of just his supposed weapons installations), and 60 percent wanted American ground forces to launch an invasion.Damn, Americans are terrible. Quote. . .It should be noted that when he announced his opposition to Bush’s war push in the fall of ’02, Gore endorsed the basic goal of removing Hussein and securing his (supposed) WMD stockpiles. What he objected to was more the go-it-alone nature of Bush’s approach.Fuck, this shitty world we live in was inevitable and our choices really are Turd Sandwich vs. a Giant Douche. 2008 was a once in a lifetime anomaly.
That's exactly what the piece said. The point is that it's easy to look back from 2015 and see the huge divide between the left and right presently, but in 2000 the divide wasn't so great and Saddam Hussein was the most prominent cultural bogeyman. At that moment in time Pax Americana was at its peak and after 9/11 the US had a unique opportunity to reshape the world in its image with (some) justification.Obviously that gamble was a huge failure that has spiraled completely out of control in ways no one could imagine, but it's only easy to see now with the benefit of hindsight.
He defended the idea on Tuesday, comparing it to policies implemented by President Franklin Roosevelt during World War Two against Japanese, German and Italian people in the US.
We are utilizing a new method of warfare. Something tells me Trumph is helping us more than he even thinks Lord knows he won't sniff a presidency but it's kinda nice to make the world pay attention again for a second. If he has done anything he has made the world realize that we matter, again.Not a fan of the dude but I'll take the rep his name is bringing us across the water And trust me, it is.Just some real talk here. Fuck party lines.
