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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2006, 07:58:10 PM »
I'm a creationalist. God created man.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2006, 07:59:32 PM »
I'm a creationalist. God created man.
Who created God?

No one. He's been here forever...

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2006, 08:02:53 PM »
I've been polled on similar issues before, and my response is always the same: QUIT FUCKING CALLING ME.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2006, 08:11:06 PM »
I'm a creationalist. God created man.
Who created God?

No one. He's been here forever...

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Does he ever get bored?

No. He just gets mad.
But god is all-loving.

He is. He just hates sin. So stop sinning liberal!
So he created our sex drive just to be mean? Or maybe a large sex drive ensures the survival of a species.
Most evidence shows that psychpaths are born. That's mean of God.

It's the effect of sin. You can thank Adam for that.


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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2006, 08:21:27 PM »
so PhoenixDark is both a Creationist -and- hates Robocop?

He has transcended mere DUMB and progressed beyond the veil of stupidity into a realm of ABSOLUTE DUH.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2006, 08:40:04 PM »
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS EVOLUTION -- GOD JUST WENT "CLICK"!

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2006, 08:43:39 PM »
Darwin believed man evolved from apes. Do you believe the same, or are you going to pull out some revisionist history on me? :p
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2006, 09:11:54 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2006, 09:11:56 PM »
I just began to watch Wolf's Rain, and although its debut is coma-inducing and boring, I've also learned that humans were created from wolves.

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2006, 09:38:45 PM »
I believe we evolved from the same common ancestor as apes.
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:o :o :o

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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2006, 10:39:00 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2006, 11:43:40 PM »
It's a product of people having a brain, which God created LOL AMIRITE?

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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2006, 11:48:47 PM »
It's a product of people having a brain, which God created LOL AMIRITE?
So your brain creates your facts?

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2006, 12:21:20 AM »
Being a Deist, I always wondered why evolution disproves the theory of god (lower case G).


Why couldn't a god (or a bunch of gods) have created evolution? It almost seems the most logical explanation.






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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2006, 12:22:44 AM »
What's so logical about a "god"?

If you present the argument from awe ("but but but life and the world are so AMAZING!!!") I'm gonna kick you in the junk. Humanity's ignorance does not a rationale make.
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2006, 12:24:50 AM »
Being a Deist, I always wondered why evolution disproves the theory of god (lower case G).


Why couldn't a god (or a bunch of gods) have created evolution? It almost seems the most logical explanation.


I never understood why religious people got upset over this either.  Or why anyone would take it as proof of the non-existance of god.  The two scenarios are definitely not mutually excusive.
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2006, 12:26:11 AM »
What's so logical about a "god"?

If you present the argument from awe ("but but but life and the world are so AMAZING!!!") I'm gonna kick you in the junk. Humanity's ignorance does not a rationale make.
Well something made us smart enough to think of the idea....oh I see.

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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2006, 12:26:21 AM »
Because it usually contradicts specific dogma from their various holy works regarding the specifics.

It's not about JUST believing in any old god -- what good is believing in a god if you don't know what he/she/it wants? How do you beg him/her/it for favors if you don't know what the rules are?
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2006, 12:27:51 AM »
I never understood why religious people got upset over this either.  Or why anyone would take it as proof of the non-existance of god.  The two scenarios are definitely not mutually excusive.
You mean specific religions.  Only Christianity, Islam, and Judaism and probably and other that says the origins of humans oppose evolution.

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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2006, 12:34:45 AM »
Being a Deist, I always wondered why evolution disproves the theory of god (lower case G).


Why couldn't a god (or a bunch of gods) have created evolution? It almost seems the most logical explanation.

Evolution disproves certain religious creation myths and adds further doubts that the universe was created by a benevolent omniscient God. The process of evolution is pretty brutal and at best amoral, something that's not likely a product of an all-powerful all-loving God. Accepting evolution makes it difficult to also accept certain conceptions of God. 

But God is a moving target. He is everything and nothing, but always a creation of convenience.

Why would god creating evolution be a logical explanation. You are just adding metaphysical entities without adding explanatory power.

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Re: TRUE OR FALSE "Human beings developed from earlier species of animals."
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2006, 02:11:14 AM »
What's so logical about a "god"?

If you present the argument from awe ("but but but life and the world are so AMAZING!!!") I'm gonna kick you in the junk. Humanity's ignorance does not a rationale make.


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The Clockmaker hypothesis is a tenet of deism that states that some higher power, such as God, created the universe (for example, in the Big Bang) and then stepped aside after the moment of creation. According to this hypothesis, since the creation of the universe, God has not interfered with its inner workings in any manner; instead, the universe has been left to its own devices. The name of the hypothesis derives from the analogy that the universe is a clock, and God is the Clockmaker – the clockmaker does not do anything other than make the clock, wind it up, and let it run.

As this hypothesis deals with events that take place outside of the universe, it is not testable; therefore, it is unfalsifiable. Falsifiability is essential in forming a scientific hypothesis, so the Clockmaker hypothesis is not a hypothesis in the scientific sense of the word.

In particular, the Clockmaker hypothesis is not incompatible with the scientific theory of evolution (for example, evolution through natural selection might be a process pre-ordained by God in order to carry through His act of creation).



On one hand, it's a perfectly logical explanation of existence. On the other hand, it's completely unprovable and a cop out answer.

But, it's a good way to stay in-between the Ego of man and numbers (science) and the Ego of man and blind faith (Cathlolics) and not get caught up in their idiocy.


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Whether you want to admit it or not, there is a great order in everything around us. Patterns are repeated throughout all aspects of nature and existence. You can not create something from nothing. God did not create man .. but rather, the organized manner in which matter is and shall be.





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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2006, 11:09:53 AM »
American protestantism is the worst.

American Protestantism gave us modern creationism, the idiotic rapture doctrine, and the idea that if you just pray hard enough for something it will happen.

What a fucking joke.
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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2006, 11:26:02 AM »
Toxic, when we find a watch we can hypothesize a watchmaker because from experience we know what causes watches to be created. We have no such experience with universes. From experience we know watches are made by watchmakers, but we have no such analogous knowledge of universes being created by God(s).

Also a watch is an artifact, created by man with a clear purpose. The universe doesn't show a purpose. Evolution accounts for the appearance of any order or design. From our knowledge of the universe we see a lack of a watchmaker.

"You can not create something from nothing"

Then who or what created God. There is no good reason for excluding God from also needing his very own cause without begging the question.

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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2006, 11:44:20 AM »
I'm gonna kick you in the junk, Toxic.
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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2006, 01:01:12 PM »
I don't pretend to have answers .. it's just bullshit I believe. Everyone has their own bullshit.

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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2006, 01:12:01 PM »
Toxic, when we find a watch we can hypothesize a watchmaker because from experience we know what causes watches to be created. We have no such experience with universes. From experience we know watches are made by watchmakers, but we have no such analogous knowledge of universes being created by God(s).

Also a watch is an artifact, created by man with a clear purpose. The universe doesn't show a purpose. Evolution accounts for the appearance of any order or design. From our knowledge of the universe we see a lack of a watchmaker.

"You can not create something from nothing"

Then who or what created God. There is no good reason for excluding God from also needing his very own cause without begging the question.


You completely miss the point as you attempt to prove how smart you are :p

The point is that no one looks at a watch and doesn't realize it was created by someone. It didn't pop out of nowhere. The hypotheses merely points that out and connects it to God, IE the idea that this universe has a creater.

Your beliefs are just as firmly rooted in faith as mine. It's high time that the intellectual evolutionists realize this. Are you a believer in the Big Bang theory, or any similar thoughts?
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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2006, 01:49:27 PM »
Toxic, when we find a watch we can hypothesize a watchmaker because from experience we know what causes watches to be created. We have no such experience with universes. From experience we know watches are made by watchmakers, but we have no such analogous knowledge of universes being created by God(s).

Also a watch is an artifact, created by man with a clear purpose. The universe doesn't show a purpose. Evolution accounts for the appearance of any order or design. From our knowledge of the universe we see a lack of a watchmaker.

"You can not create something from nothing"

Then who or what created God. There is no good reason for excluding God from also needing his very own cause without begging the question.


You completely miss the point as you attempt to prove how smart you are :p

The point is that no one looks at a watch and doesn't realize it was created by someone. It didn't pop out of nowhere. The hypotheses merely points that out and connects it to God, IE the idea that this universe has a creater.

Your beliefs are just as firmly rooted in faith as mine. It's high time that the intellectual evolutionists realize this. Are you a believer in the Big Bang theory, or any similar thoughts?

Big Bang explains things like the expanding universe and the background microwave radiation.  The Bible doesn't.

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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2006, 01:51:08 PM »
Toxic, when we find a watch we can hypothesize a watchmaker because from experience we know what causes watches to be created. We have no such experience with universes. From experience we know watches are made by watchmakers, but we have no such analogous knowledge of universes being created by God(s).

Also a watch is an artifact, created by man with a clear purpose. The universe doesn't show a purpose. Evolution accounts for the appearance of any order or design. From our knowledge of the universe we see a lack of a watchmaker.

"You can not create something from nothing"

Then who or what created God. There is no good reason for excluding God from also needing his very own cause without begging the question.


You completely miss the point as you attempt to prove how smart you are :p

The point is that no one looks at a watch and doesn't realize it was created by someone. It didn't pop out of nowhere. The hypotheses merely points that out and connects it to God, IE the idea that this universe has a creater.

Your beliefs are just as firmly rooted in faith as mine. It's high time that the intellectual evolutionists realize this. Are you a believer in the Big Bang theory, or any similar thoughts?

Big Bang explains things like the expanding universe and the background microwave radiation.  The Bible doesn't.



What was there before the Big Bang?
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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2006, 01:52:12 PM »
Toxic, when we find a watch we can hypothesize a watchmaker because from experience we know what causes watches to be created. We have no such experience with universes. From experience we know watches are made by watchmakers, but we have no such analogous knowledge of universes being created by God(s).

Also a watch is an artifact, created by man with a clear purpose. The universe doesn't show a purpose. Evolution accounts for the appearance of any order or design. From our knowledge of the universe we see a lack of a watchmaker.

"You can not create something from nothing"

Then who or what created God. There is no good reason for excluding God from also needing his very own cause without begging the question.


You completely miss the point as you attempt to prove how smart you are :p

The point is that no one looks at a watch and doesn't realize it was created by someone. It didn't pop out of nowhere. The hypotheses merely points that out and connects it to God, IE the idea that this universe has a creater.

Your beliefs are just as firmly rooted in faith as mine. It's high time that the intellectual evolutionists realize this. Are you a believer in the Big Bang theory, or any similar thoughts?

Big Bang explains things like the expanding universe and the background microwave radiation.  The Bible doesn't.



What was there before the Big Bang?

Something that isn't there now, so we have no way of knowing.
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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2006, 01:53:16 PM »
Toxic, when we find a watch we can hypothesize a watchmaker because from experience we know what causes watches to be created. We have no such experience with universes. From experience we know watches are made by watchmakers, but we have no such analogous knowledge of universes being created by God(s).

Also a watch is an artifact, created by man with a clear purpose. The universe doesn't show a purpose. Evolution accounts for the appearance of any order or design. From our knowledge of the universe we see a lack of a watchmaker.

"You can not create something from nothing"

Then who or what created God. There is no good reason for excluding God from also needing his very own cause without begging the question.


You completely miss the point as you attempt to prove how smart you are :p

The point is that no one looks at a watch and doesn't realize it was created by someone. It didn't pop out of nowhere. The hypotheses merely points that out and connects it to God, IE the idea that this universe has a creater.

Your beliefs are just as firmly rooted in faith as mine. It's high time that the intellectual evolutionists realize this. Are you a believer in the Big Bang theory, or any similar thoughts?

Big Bang explains things like the expanding universe and the background microwave radiation.  The Bible doesn't.



What was there before the Big Bang?

Something that isn't there now, so we have no way of knowing.

And was that "something" always there, or was it created at some point?

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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2006, 01:55:21 PM »
Toxic, when we find a watch we can hypothesize a watchmaker because from experience we know what causes watches to be created. We have no such experience with universes. From experience we know watches are made by watchmakers, but we have no such analogous knowledge of universes being created by God(s).

Also a watch is an artifact, created by man with a clear purpose. The universe doesn't show a purpose. Evolution accounts for the appearance of any order or design. From our knowledge of the universe we see a lack of a watchmaker.

"You can not create something from nothing"

Then who or what created God. There is no good reason for excluding God from also needing his very own cause without begging the question.


You completely miss the point as you attempt to prove how smart you are :p

The point is that no one looks at a watch and doesn't realize it was created by someone. It didn't pop out of nowhere. The hypotheses merely points that out and connects it to God, IE the idea that this universe has a creater.

Your beliefs are just as firmly rooted in faith as mine. It's high time that the intellectual evolutionists realize this. Are you a believer in the Big Bang theory, or any similar thoughts?

Big Bang explains things like the expanding universe and the background microwave radiation.  The Bible doesn't.



What was there before the Big Bang?

Something that isn't there now, so we have no way of knowing.

And was that "something" always there, or was it created at some point?



How fuck could we know?  We can't "see" before the big bang because time and space did not exist before the Big Bang.  Probably the flying spaghetti monster existed before the Big Bang, and he was created by a guy on the Internet in 1999. 
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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2006, 01:59:12 PM »

You completely miss the point as you attempt to prove how smart you are :p
I was only trying to show how poor the teleological argument is.

The point is that no one looks at a watch and doesn't realize it was created by someone. It didn't pop out of nowhere. The hypotheses merely points that out and connects it to God, IE the idea that this universe has a creater.
Looks like you missed my point. The watchmaker argument is terrible analogy. Do you look at a tree and wonder where the tree-maker is? A tree or the universe is not an artefact like a watch. A watch is a mechanism, a product of artificial character, one that is made by human hands, by A WATCHMAKER! Objects in the natural world emerge through a natural process, unlike artefacts. Because of the nature of a watch and our experience we know that a watchmaker probably made the watch. There is nothing in the nature of the universe or from our experience that tells us the universe needs a universe-maker.


Your beliefs are just as firmly rooted in faith as mine. It's high time that the intellectual evolutionists realize this. Are you a believer in the Big Bang theory, or any similar thoughts?
To say beliefs are simply faith positions leads to a form of relativism where there are no grounds for establishing the truth or falsity of any of our beliefs. Atheist beliefs are not a faith position because the beliefs do not go beyond what there is evidence for.

If both our beliefs require faith, mine certainly requires far less faith than yours does. My position is based on all available evidence along with argument to the best explanation. The atheist explanation is simpler, more coherent and more comprehensive than the theistic alternative. It is simpler because it doesn't require an unobserved supernatural world and a supernatural god. It is more coherent because everything fits into one scheme. Meanwhile you have to explain how this world interacts with the supernatural world god resides in. Atheism explains why there are so many religions (all of which contradict in various ways): because religion is a human construct. My positioin requires no faith!

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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2006, 01:59:58 PM »
And you laugh at my beliefs? :lol

If that's not faith, I don't know what is.
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Looks like you missed my point. The watchmaker argument is terrible analogy. Do you look at a tree and wonder where the tree-maker is? A tree or the universe is not an artefact like a watch. A watch is a mechanism, a product of artificial character, one that is made by human hands, by A WATCHMAKER! Objects in the natural world emerge through a natural process, unlike artefacts. Because of the nature of a watch and our experience we know that a watchmaker probably made the watch. There is nothing in the nature of the universe or from our experience that tells us the universe needs a universe-maker.

Actually I do look at trees and wonder where the treemaker is. I look at the sky and wonder where the skymaker is too. It was God man, it was God.
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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2006, 02:08:05 PM »
I'm gonna kick you in the junk, Phoenix. And I'm using steel-toed boots.

My supreme intellect has forced you to resort to violence. Give peace a chance Malek. God created it for you to use.















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« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2006, 11:41:39 PM »
It's pretty arrogant to think that humans alone did not evolve from earlier, simpler life forms.  Arrogant. . . and completely at odds with logic.  Hey, sounds like religious tards!
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« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2006, 11:53:49 PM »
What the fuck happened to this thread?  One side believes you have to figure out the answer.  The other doesn't.

End of story!