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i wish someone would leak some info one the clusterfuck that is mass effect 4. four years and nothing but some concept art smh
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I like Mass Effect 1 & 2 writing (haven't really played 3 yet), but the thread title is  :success

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Mass Effect's writing is Shakespearian compared to the majority of AAA Hollywood gaming
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ME was good sci fi man. Aside from the end, natch.
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i still play me3's multiplayer from time to time
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whoever was in charge of multi needs to be head of their own project. it has no right to be that good. the amount of great abilities and character builds was unbelievable.
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You know, about a month ago I tried starting ME3 for the first time. 

Game isn't even that old but maaaaaaaan does it feel dated.  I'm guessing all 3 of them do at this point but I remember ME1 & ME2 being hot shit.  The ME3 intro invasion stuff is really bad, bad combat, bad graphics, bad writing.  Got to the ship and saved and will get back to it at some point, but it didn't really make me want to keep playing like ME1 & 2 did.  Also didn't help that it's been so long I lost my ME1 & 2 save character so I didn't get to keep any of the choices (not that I'd remember any of the choices I made in 1 & 2 at this point).

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You know, about a month ago I tried starting ME3 for the first time. 

Game isn't even that old but maaaaaaaan does it feel dated.  I'm guessing all 3 of them do at this point but I remember ME1 & ME2 being hot shit.  The ME3 intro invasion stuff is really bad, bad combat, bad graphics, bad writing.  Got to the ship and saved and will get back to it at some point, but it didn't really make me want to keep playing like ME1 & 2 did.  Also didn't help that it's been so long I lost my ME1 & 2 save character so I didn't get to keep any of the choices (not that I'd remember any of the choices I made in 1 & 2 at this point).

Relative to video game stuff I still think its mostly fine.

The Witcher surpasses it and so does stuff like Last of Us or Telltale style adventure games but for regular Triple AAA material, I still think its fine. Especially in a world of Final Fantasy. I'm hopeful they will raise the bar even more for this gen.

The first had the most hard sci-fi tone which is why the hardcore appreciate it.
The second is more comic book/star trek fun stuff but I think its okay for that.
The 3rd is too grim dark for its own good but that grim dark vibe was in at that moment ala Batman movies.

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You know, about a month ago I tried starting ME3 for the first time. 

Game isn't even that old but maaaaaaaan does it feel dated.  I'm guessing all 3 of them do at this point but I remember ME1 & ME2 being hot shit.  The ME3 intro invasion stuff is really bad, bad combat, bad graphics, bad writing.  Got to the ship and saved and will get back to it at some point, but it didn't really make me want to keep playing like ME1 & 2 did.  Also didn't help that it's been so long I lost my ME1 & 2 save character so I didn't get to keep any of the choices (not that I'd remember any of the choices I made in 1 & 2 at this point).

That whole opening and the first planet after that were so bad I quit.

Bioware has completely lost it imho.

The first had the most hard sci-fi tone which is why the hardcore appreciate it.
The second is more comic book/star trek fun stuff but I think its okay for that.
The 3rd is too grim dark for its own good but that grim dark vibe was in at that moment ala Batman movies.

Agree on this. One was the one that had a lot of people hoping for an epic trilogy, much like Dragon Age Origins. Everything was right and it was easy to forgive or overlook the shortcomings because this was the start of an journey.

Two was great for what it was, but in hindsight this is where it went all wrong and ME tried to be a shooter too much. Instead of improving on what the hardcore wanted, they cut all the hardcore out (this is like someone else put it somewhere on GAF)

The three felt flat on it's face cause the shooting is clunky and shit compared to real shooters.

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On a technical level I agree with you 100%.

It's more what the Mako and planet exploration stood for. We were supposed to have a vast galaxy to explore. A huge universe spanning RPG. That's the idea many people bought into. No one thought it was perfect or technically amazing, but the potential was big. The hope was that these ideas would be expanded on in the sequels.

None of this happen and we got a corridor shooter where exploring planets is a boring cheesy grindfest minigame to get minerals. This is nothing like the original blueprint. RPG elements however imperfect in ME1 where streamlined out of the game.

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I liked 2 as well a lot for what it was, at the time I would have put it over 1 and in many aspects I still do, only 3 left me cold. I can see that some people don't mind this direction Bioware moved into with more action oriented games (DA2, DA3 as well). It's just not what I wanted.

No Mans Sky is something I've been laughing about since day one, but the idea is kind of growing on me if there will be some gameplay there too and if the flying/shooting is good. I like the fact there is no minimap without 100 quests screaming to you to do them. It's just you exploring shit. Now if this will be a dull grindfest then I'm not interested, but who knows maybe it will be semi cool. Procedural stuff just usually never works out but hey I'm willing to give it a go.  Not for 60 bucks though  :lol

Star Citizen - No comment, don't really know what's going on there except its a scam.

I think Bioware/EA can make that epic galaxy spanning RPG, but I don't think they want to for business reasons. I expect ME4 to be more like Dragon Age Inquisition. The Ubisoft open world template. Maybe I'm just cynical but that's how it feels to me.

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You know, about a month ago I tried starting ME3 for the first time. 

Game isn't even that old but maaaaaaaan does it feel dated.  I'm guessing all 3 of them do at this point but I remember ME1 & ME2 being hot shit.  The ME3 intro invasion stuff is really bad, bad combat, bad graphics, bad writing.  Got to the ship and saved and will get back to it at some point, but it didn't really make me want to keep playing like ME1 & 2 did.  Also didn't help that it's been so long I lost my ME1 & 2 save character so I didn't get to keep any of the choices (not that I'd remember any of the choices I made in 1 & 2 at this point).

I honestly don't think a lot of games from last gen are gonna hold up so well... lots of games with frame rate hiccups, weird issues with texture pop-in, ugly bump-mapped textures, lighting that makes characters look creepy uncanny valley, boring level design (linear corridors with lots of waist-high walls, rubble usually used to block your way). The ME games exemplify a lot of this. Although I did garner a lot of enjoyment out of the first ME's storyline/setting/soundtrack, the followups were blah.

Xenoblade X gave me the planet exploration vibes I felt lacking from the ME franchise.
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Full disclosure: I didn't play ME3. It's funny- Bioware started last gen off on a high note with Dragon Age Origins which, if nothing else was a competent entry into the western rpg genre, and ME2 which is still one of the best games of last gen, imo. But god did they shit the bed after that. DA: Inquisition was just kind of ok, I liked it and played for about 20 hours and then lost interest. I have no faith in them anymore.
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I haven't played ME3 because I played ME1 on X-box, recreated my save (with the comic) in ME2 PS3, and then bought all three on PC with the intention of redoing my choices but I just haven't had the motiviation to do that. :lol

The ME2save.com or whatever save site for the PC version doesn't have the exact choices I made. If I could blow through the main story and Wrex/Queen story lines in a matter of a few hours, and then blow through ME2 with the DLC, I'd probably give 3 a chance to disappoint me.

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ME2 + DLC is God-tier.
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Full disclosure: I didn't play ME3. It's funny- Bioware started last gen off on a high note with Dragon Age Origins which, if nothing else was a competent entry into the western rpg genre, and ME2 which is still one of the best games of last gen, imo. But god did they shit the bed after that. DA: Inquisition was just kind of ok, I liked it and played for about 20 hours and then lost interest. I have no faith in them anymore.

Kind of same here, I put maybe 10 hours into DAI.

Prob not the best idea I did it after just finishing Witcher 3

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ME2 is my favorite game of last generation, next to Fallout 3 and Arkham City.  ME3 with its DLC is also really really good, they just fucked the ending up.  Which, meh, I don't care.
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Full disclosure: I didn't play ME3. It's funny- Bioware started last gen off on a high note with Dragon Age Origins which, if nothing else was a competent entry into the western rpg genre, and ME2 which is still one of the best games of last gen, imo. But god did they shit the bed after that. DA: Inquisition was just kind of ok, I liked it and played for about 20 hours and then lost interest. I have no faith in them anymore.

Kind of same here, I put maybe 10 hours into DAI.

Prob not the best idea I did it after just finishing Witcher 3

Ugh, yeah. I played it when it came out, but maaaaaan. Witcher 3 just shits all over everything else in the genre that was released in the same time frame. Such a good game.
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It's kind of amazing how thoroughly Bioware got demolished at their own game by a Polish company that was getting by on releasing Bioware games in Europe up until about 8 years ago.
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Cyberpunk 2077 is going to rule soooo hard, brehs :rejoice

Coincidentally, 2077 will also be the year it comes out  :P
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ME3 multiplayer was honestly alot of fun, crates are scummy but oh so addicting  :doge

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Doubt it, maybe a half dozen times.
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I'm sure 2077 will be cool, but I'm keeping my expectations in check as I doubt it can top Witcher 3. I'll be a happy man if it comes close.

Not that Witcher 3 is some problem free valhalla, but it's the best we got.


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ME 1: Okay but ruined by the stupid Mako
ME 2: GOAT last gen game
ME 3: Not terrible, ending was horrible. Multi was fucking awesome though.
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I still need to buy the ME3 DLC at some point.
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I still need to buy the ME3 DLC at some point.

Just the Citadel and maybe Leviathon. That's all you really need.

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yup the Omega one sucked. citadel was huge and was a great send-off for the series. you should definitely play that
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also fuck ea for not releasing the trilogy with all dlc included
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As barren and lifeless as the Mako sections in Mass Effect 1 were, I still prefer it to the endless boring probing in Mass Effect 2.
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ME 1: Okay but ruined by the stupid Mako
ME 2: GOAT last gen game
ME 3: Not terrible, ending was horrible. Multi was fucking awesome though.


Pretty much how I feel about the trilogy. ME1 was great for being such a massive scifi RPG, but a lot of systems just weren't that well designed [inventory management, combat, everything to do with the Mako]. ME2 really felt like it realized the untapped potential left over from the what the first game covered, even though it was more streamlined overall. Didn't care as much about the "constantly at war" storyline of ME3 as I did the stories in the first 2 games, but I was willing to go along with until that awful ending. It contrasted so sharply with everything that Bioware had said the ending would be, and even beyond that it just felt really unsatisfying in a lot of ways [even with the expanded ending they released later].

I'm still excited about a new ME that goes back to a clean slate, but development sounds like it's been a real mess so I'm definitely not going to jump in Day 1.
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ME1 - best soundtrack, most interesting storyline and lore (I didn't think 2 and 3 did all that much to add on to ME1's lore, apart from maybe the Leviathan, Javik, and Shadow Broker DLCs). I actually liked the janky Mako physics and exploring nameless planets, although the repetitive sidequests sucked. Main missions were kinda neat as there usually was a bit of exploration, NPC interaction, and puzzle-solving, instead of being a linear shooting gallery with waist-high walls. Combat was horrible, as were inventory management.

ME2 - vast improvement on combat, but it stripped out a lot of what made the first game interesting. Much more of a linear corridor shooter than an RPG. Building up a crew and solving their problems (usually daddy issues) was fun and more reminiscent of a Japanese than a Western RPG. Interesting concept for the endgame. Horrible planet scanning and a total lack of sidequests.

ME3 - feels even more detached than 2, especially with the Galactic Readiness system (do more missions = higher numbers = you win the conflict). More linear setpiece missions where you solve thousand-year-long galactic strife with a few dialogue trees. Glitchy. Lots of the most interesting content was locked behind DLC (the Prothean character, Leviathan, Citadel). Terrible endgame. Slightly improved combat over 2, multiplayer was pretty entertaining for what it was.

I'd love if they remade the first ME with the combat of 3 and totally scrapped the repetitive sidequests in favor of much more interesting ones and neater locales.
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also fuck ea for not releasing the trilogy with all dlc included

At least they put the DLC up on Origin in a way. It still needs the stupid-ass "Bioware Point" system though. :lol :lol :lol :'( :'(

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Mass Effect's DLC was such a mess, even though most of the content [or at least the actual story expansions] were generally really good.
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The Lawnmower Man/Overlord one was so good.

Had the kick ass pump-up music:



I aint gonna lie, I love Mass Effect to bits. Played through ME1 like 4 times to get all of the achievements and never got bored. The Mako stuff and sidequests were not too fleshed out and a lot of re-used resources yada yada yada, but I had heaps of fun running through the content over and over. Why? I don't know exactly. I think I just loved the overall conceit of the game and wanted to collect all the space garbage on offer. I loved reading the planet bios while listening to the soothing space blowjob music. I wanted to be naked in space.

Mass Effect 2 was more fun with the improved shootan but they skimped on the ineffectual nerd stats. The story was probably better but more of a blockbuster movie rather than space opera. The whole concept of the "Suicide Mission" still gives me tingles. Save humans by going through an evil wormhole to battle on unknown enemy, and recruit the best space agents to do it? Yes please.

I still can't believe Jacob's father fed his crew toxic food!!!

Cant remember too much about ME3 except for the multi kicking major ass. One of these days I'll scoop all the dlc and max out the gamerscore to complete the whole trilogy
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I love ME1 to bits, liked ME2 at first but have grown a bit sour on it, and never finished ME3 cause I thought it was incredibly dull. Not a fan of Bioware's philophy to sequels being to toss out things that just need a little fixing to be great and replacing them with worse systems.

To this day, I have no idea how we went from the Mako, which was a neat but flawed concept, to the Firewalker DLC where the Hammerhead has worse controls and paper thin defenses.

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Mass Effect 1 is my least favorite, probably due to how many times I've replayed it and how a 100% playthrough means doing a ton of shit on barren planets. The soundtrack is too porno sounding for me, the abilities you get with classes don't feel that powerful or cool to use. What Mass Effect 1 has going for it is Shepard being a Spectre. Game went out of its way making you feel like a CIA agent in space.
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Mass Effect as a series did have the GOAT ending credits songs or themes, great licensed picks from whoever was on that team



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