Author Topic: PS4.5 thread of hearsay and conjecture (Read 14713 times)

Brehvolution · « **on:** March 18, 2016, 02:40:12 PM »

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Based on conversations with developers who have spoken with Sony, this ‘PS4.5’ will include an upgraded GPU both to support high-end 4K resolution for games and add more processing power that can enhance the games supported by PlayStation VR, the headset Sony will launch this fall. It’s unclear if ‘PS4.5’ is an official name or just a nickname that developers have been using. One developer jokingly called it the ‘PS4K’ while telling me about the device.

In layman’s terms, 4K resolution is around four times the pixel size of 1080p, which is the current standard for games on PlayStation 4 and competing consoles. The current PS4 can output 4K photos and videos, but cannot support 4K resolutions for games. With this upgrade, it would. Besides resolution, developers would have an opportunity to push more effects and other graphical tweaks to make their games look better, thanks to the new GPU.

A more powerful PS4 would also allow the machine to be more competitive with PCs in the world of virtual reality. With a higher-end GPU, the PS4 could more easily match up against the more expensive Oculus Rift and HTC Vive virtual reality headsets, which are designed to work with powerful PCs.

What I can only imagine a price point of $399(PS4k) + $399(PSVR) does put them in the realm PC competition, price wise.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2016, 02:44:48 PM »

Has this kind of fracturing of hardware ever led to success?

And apparently this might even go the 3DX/expansion pak route?

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2016, 03:01:04 PM »

Microsoft wins lol

brob · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2016, 03:41:52 PM »

forever ahead of the game

Rufus · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2016, 03:45:55 PM »

Graphics comparisons are going to be even better now.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2016, 04:07:32 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 18, 2016, 02:40:12 PM

What I can only imagine a price point of $399(PS4k) + $399(PSVR) does put them in the realm PC competition, price wise.

Occulus apparently wants a $1000 upgrade if their spec site is to be believed. I'm still waiting for the consumer level version of that to hit for various spec testing, but the dev kits/previews also run with that. So yeah... Playstation is close but still like $200-400 less depending on if you compare it to the Occulus/Vive and already have certain components Occulus/Vive want.

But VR is DOA in regards to price on this if they expect people to just blindly upgrade with no actual "killer app" beyond the five minute WOW factor.

eleuin · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2016, 04:09:44 PM »

if its an add on like the 32x then maybe, but a whole new machine? nah

VomKriege · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2016, 04:28:42 PM »

Guess my gaming future, if any, will be PC then...

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2016, 04:30:35 PM »

This gen is gonna be wacky with this kind of stuff. I think we're finally at a point where these companies will start doing weird stuff to stay relevant.

VomKriege · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2016, 04:47:43 PM »

4k gaming sounds bullshit, there's probably a lot of qualifiers if true (like upscaling to a 4k video input).

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2016, 05:09:40 PM »

Wasnt MS rumoured to do the same?

I can see a 3 year cycle where the old console still gets all games at medium settings and the new one high.

Makes sense imho

Anyhoo i doubt theyd push it out in the same year they ask fpr PSVR money

VomKriege · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2016, 05:33:17 PM »

Quote from: Premium Lager on March 18, 2016, 05:09:40 PM

Wasnt MS rumoured to do the same?

I can see a 3 year cycle where the old console still gets all games at medium settings and the new one high.

Makes sense imho

Anyhoo i doubt theyd push it out in the same year they ask fpr PSVR money

MS actually did say out loud they were considering a Xbone.5 plus blending Xbox with the W10 ecosystem, which brings more credence to Sony considering a similar strategy.

bork · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2016, 05:58:51 PM »

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on March 18, 2016, 05:52:29 PM

I can't wait till VR flops so I can laugh. Shits going to be immaculate, brehs

I can see it being a big thing if they make it the focal point of a new console, but as an add-on? I don't know if this will be 32X levels of bad, but maybe it will be like the Sega CD. I know there's got to be a big difference in quality, but I can't see Joe Average Consumer-guy caring when he can buy Google Cardboard for his phone for like twenty bucks or shell out $100 for the Samsung Gear VR thing.

VomKriege · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2016, 06:20:38 PM »

Yeah, I think the cumbersome, very isolating nature of headsets will always be a major issue with VR as an everyday appliance. Was always convinced 3D TVs would never catch on because of the insane bother of the glasses (not only wearing them, but having some space to store them when not used and how complicated it made watching anything with a group of people). Still convinced endgame is "augmented reality glasses".

The Legend of Sunblade · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2016, 06:56:26 PM »

Despite being really into consoles, I'm glad I don't have any emotional investment in big corporations so I can see that announcement, go "cool" and completely ignore it until my broke ass is interested enough / can afford one. My junky PS4 still works fine.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2016, 07:00:02 PM »

I know more about this, and can say with some certainty that the article is reaching and not seeing the details in the right light. Portraying it as a upgrade of that magnitude when the reality of the thing is much more simple than that. Sony and Microsoft both have made investments into hardware revisions that will be 4K hdr compliant for the new blurays. Its how they sell you on the margianlly upgraded hardware. This will not reflect much change to gaming, but more the app eco systems surrounding the consoles so they can support 4k netflix, amazon video, etc...

Positive Touch · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2016, 07:39:54 PM »

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on March 18, 2016, 06:40:16 PM

And to be completely honest, most of the biggest tech innovations that took off had a social aspect to them. VR is very isolated, which will be part of its downfall. We can harp on the technology not being there yet all we want, it won't push through the collective so to speak due the lonerism that comes with it.

the only way i think we're gonna see any sort of 3d catch on anytime soon is if Samsung or apple do some 3ds-style shit with their screens.

benjipwns · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2016, 10:45:25 PM »

Looks like Nintendo is once again the only company with any integrity in this industry.

The FCC and SEC should be launching fraud investigations into Sony for misleading customers on the lifecycle of the PS4. Consumer products shouldn't be rendered out of date by new ones after just a few years just because a company wants to, they should have a good, legal reason.

Posted from my iPhone.

chronovore · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2016, 12:47:53 AM »

This whole thing is so fucking LOL worthy, it's not even funny. Sony actually winning the console war this gen, and they feel compelled to pull a Sega. Wow.

Rufus · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2016, 01:56:20 AM »

Didn't even have to wait for the generation to end for this familiar turn.

nachobro · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2016, 03:23:03 AM »

Quote from: funky action on March 18, 2016, 05:58:51 PM

I can see it being a big thing if they make it the focal point of a new console, but as an add-on? I don't know if this will be 32X levels of bad, but maybe it will be like the Sega CD. I know there's got to be a big difference in quality, but I can't see Joe Average Consumer-guy caring when he can buy Google Cardboard for his phone for like twenty bucks or shell out $100 for the Samsung Gear VR thing.

Hell Samsung is giving their thing away free if you get a new Galaxy phone. I don't see too many regular folks shelling out $400-800 for VR if they can get it for free by upgrading their phone, which they spend all their time using anyway.

VomKriege · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:54:12 AM »

Quote from: G The Resurrected on March 18, 2016, 07:00:02 PM

I know more about this, and can say with some certainty that the article is reaching and not seeing the details in the right light. Portraying it as a upgrade of that magnitude when the reality of the thing is much more simple than that. Sony and Microsoft both have made investments into hardware revisions that will be 4K hdr compliant for the new blurays. Its how they sell you on the margianlly upgraded hardware. This will not reflect much change to gaming, but more the app eco systems surrounding the consoles so they can support 4k netflix, amazon video, etc...

Sounds basically like a PS4 Slim.

Purrp Skirrp · « **Reply #22 on:** March 19, 2016, 06:42:50 AM »

Looking forward to

- 1080p/60fps rereleases of PS4 games
- 4K rereleases of PS4 rereleases of PS3 games
- 4K rereleases of PS3 rereleases of Vita/PS2 games
- 4K rereleases of untapped PS2/PS3/Vita games

The Criterion Collection of gaming

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2016, 07:48:43 AM »

Quote from: G The Resurrected on March 18, 2016, 07:00:02 PM

I know more about this, and can say with some certainty that the article is reaching and not seeing the details in the right light. Portraying it as a upgrade of that magnitude when the reality of the thing is much more simple than that. Sony and Microsoft both have made investments into hardware revisions that will be 4K hdr compliant for the new blurays. Its how they sell you on the margianlly upgraded hardware. This will not reflect much change to gaming, but more the app eco systems surrounding the consoles so they can support 4k netflix, amazon video, etc...

Makes a lot.more sense

Will buy if quiet

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #24 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:16:08 PM »

I'm so glad I got into PC gaming. My 480gtx has been running strong for over half a decade now.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #25 on:** March 19, 2016, 06:59:18 PM »

Quote from: Swishercrat on March 19, 2016, 06:42:50 AM

- 4K rereleases of PS3 rereleases of Vita/PS2 games

lol. You just know Atlus would re-re-release Persona 4 again.

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #26 on:** March 19, 2016, 07:32:29 PM »

Quote from: G The Resurrected on March 18, 2016, 07:00:02 PM

I know more about this, and can say with some certainty that the article is reaching and not seeing the details in the right light. Portraying it as a upgrade of that magnitude when the reality of the thing is much more simple than that. Sony and Microsoft both have made investments into hardware revisions that will be 4K hdr compliant for the new blurays. Its how they sell you on the margianlly upgraded hardware. This will not reflect much change to gaming, but more the app eco systems surrounding the consoles so they can support 4k netflix, amazon video, etc...

Sony and MS have to move now with AMD wanting to move it's APU business to 14nm fabrication as it's cheaper. And AMD doesn't have the wriggle room Intel and Nvidia has so they want to go cheaper as well. A lot of Sony's future roadmap across its entire media and tech range is based around 4K along with that. There's an additional headache of the current PS4 hardware setup would barely scrape by for a 4K 30FPS video codec never mind the HDMI and HDEC port needing an update. So it makes sense to give it a hardware boost while keeping the core components to make sure the core feature is working. So it sounds like a slim with a better APU from both sides is on the way at least. If they will bolt extra features like a USB-Type C port on board is where it might get interesting.

VomKriege · « **Reply #27 on:** March 24, 2016, 07:22:58 AM »

To no one surprise, Eurogamer confirms it exists.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-in-theory-playstation-4k-is-real-but-why-is-sony-making-it

Brehvolution · « **Reply #28 on:** March 24, 2016, 10:57:16 AM »

There are next to no 4k content providers. Makes sense for Sony who wants to sell more 4k TVs.

VomKriege · « **Reply #29 on:** March 24, 2016, 11:37:53 AM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 24, 2016, 10:57:16 AM

There are next to no 4k content providers. Makes sense for Sony who wants to sell more 4k TVs.

It could come sooner than expected, for movies at least. Most current films are post produced in 4k or 2k, as are most remasters / scans for catalog titles. 2k is being phased out at that point and digital distribution doesn't seem to have major issues coping.

Not sure TV broadcast will follow suit but the thing with current infrastructure is that strict adherence to a resolution standard is much less of an issue.

Myself I'm still on a HD ready device.

tiesto · « **Reply #30 on:** March 24, 2016, 01:13:35 PM »

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on March 18, 2016, 06:03:16 PM

At best VR is a 3 year fad. People vastly overestimate the appeal of VR to the average consumer. And will be surprised when people dont want to take off their helmets to text on their phone every 10-20 minutes. It's a shitshow that's just waiting to happen, and I await the nerd rage when things don't work out.

Agreed, I do think there will be a market for VR in games for enthusiasts, but the isolating nature of it limits its appeal. I've been to a few gatherings/parties where someone brought an Oculus dev kit and people have tried it, but it was always more of a 'neat gimmick' than something that would replace their consoles/PCs/phones.

It also doesn't help that most of the games feel like rudimentary tech demos rather than a killer app. Though I love Rez and think Rez Ultimate will be amazing.

The real future of VR is in the military and medical fields.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #31 on:** March 24, 2016, 03:00:45 PM »

Pfffft when the price point on the technology is right, VR mmos and shit will be huge.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 24, 2016, 07:49:55 PM »

Considering how a 980ti runs games at 4K I am looking to see the type of performance they'll get from a 400 budget console GPU

Rufus · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2016, 04:19:24 AM »

If anyone thinks it'll run games at 4k native they have only themselves to blame.

archie4208 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2016, 09:22:27 AM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on March 24, 2016, 07:49:55 PM

Considering how a 980ti runs games at 4K I am looking to see the type of performance they'll get from a 400 budget console GPU

Consoles have the advantage of coding to the metal. Carmack said so in a 5 year old tweet.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2016, 10:00:57 AM »

Quote from: Rufus on March 25, 2016, 04:19:24 AM

If anyone thinks it'll run games at 4k native they have only themselves to blame.

Maybe pong or something

brawndolicious · « **Reply #36 on:** March 26, 2016, 10:18:28 AM »

Quote from: chronovore on March 19, 2016, 12:47:53 AM

This whole thing is so fucking LOL worthy, it's not even funny. Sony actually winning the console war this gen, and they feel compelled to pull a Sega. Wow.

That's probably the reason why they feel comfortable doing this as an experiment. The PS4 will be the most popular console this generation but this 4.5 thing will give them a platform to test VR tech for next generation. Next gen consoles will probably aim for a 4k standard across games to match future TVs so at that point, it makes sense to also offer the VR peripheral for gamers.

Basically, I think they want to see what kind of demand VR has for next-gen console gamers and what kind of tweaks need to be made to the technology to make it as consumer friendly as possible. This is the beta test if you will.

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #37 on:** March 28, 2016, 09:57:33 AM »

Wall Street Journal is reporting it now and they have had a significantly better record than gaming websites on these things

http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-plans-new-playstation-for-graphics-heavy-games-1459152941

Half of it feels like a beta, but the other half feels like they have to move before the opposition moves or that they will end up in a stagnant period like last gen where PC technology completely overtook the PS3/360 and gave away half the market share. PC tech is going to make a huge jump with Polaris and Pascal from AMD and Nvidia never mind big, "disruptive" (I know, I know, bear with me here) technology like Razer Core and Intel Skull Canyon that aims to reduce the barrier on building a PC by just making the components a case of plugging two form factor boxes together. Then it just works. Sony either moves now and takes an L on the hardcore base or says PS4 is good enough for the next five years and lets the competition get a jump on them.

It's totally the end of "traditional" generations though.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #38 on:** March 28, 2016, 10:01:25 AM »

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #39 on:** March 28, 2016, 11:02:29 AM »

Sounds great to me if devs can support shorter cycles like this

Or PS4 then PS4S and then PS5

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #40 on:** March 30, 2016, 02:45:25 AM »

And they will name it the PS4ever!!!

VomKriege · « **Reply #41 on:** March 30, 2016, 02:48:43 AM »

Quote from: Premium Lager on March 28, 2016, 11:02:29 AM

Sounds great to me if devs can support shorter cycles like this

Iterative consoles, if the architecture is not too dissimilar, should indeed help devs not reinventing the wheel constantly. We all know budget bloating was a major problem with the jump to HD...

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #42 on:** March 30, 2016, 03:20:31 AM »

Yeah and despite what some people on Neogaf say the mainstream is used to this model already.

As long as it's not yearly then I think no one will make a big deal out of it.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #43 on:** March 30, 2016, 04:10:03 PM »

haha one of my mates is so pissed about this

Brehvolution · « **Reply #44 on:** March 30, 2016, 04:14:45 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1202462

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For the PS4K

Deep Down

Yulwei · « **Reply #45 on:** March 30, 2016, 06:52:02 PM »

What is the point of this bullshit if OG ps4 games will see no benefits unless the devs individually patch their games?

Vertigo · « **Reply #46 on:** March 30, 2016, 07:52:54 PM »

Quote from: Yulwei on March 30, 2016, 06:52:02 PM

What is the point of this bullshit if OG ps4 games will see no benefits unless the devs individually patch their games?

Probably better VR performance. And Sony getting their base used to the idea of upgrading consoles in shorter time frames.

benjipwns · « **Reply #47 on:** March 30, 2016, 08:09:39 PM »

The good news is this allows MS to jam more secret sauce into their upgrade. They should even use it instead of thermal paste. As long as it means more Digital Foundry wins.

The bad news is that this allows Nintendo to get another leg up on the tech front with the NX.

benjipwns · « **Reply #48 on:** March 30, 2016, 08:10:44 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on March 30, 2016, 08:09:39 PM

The bad news is that this allows Nintendo to get another leg up on the tech front with the NX.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #49 on:** March 30, 2016, 08:19:15 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 30, 2016, 04:14:45 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1202462

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For the PS4K

Deep Down

BUILD. A. P.C.

fizzel · « **Reply #50 on:** March 30, 2016, 08:49:25 PM »

Even sony knows the ps4 is a shit console.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #51 on:** March 31, 2016, 12:24:56 AM »

Quote from: Trent Dole on March 30, 2016, 08:19:15 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 30, 2016, 04:14:45 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1202462

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For the PS4K

Deep Down

BUILD. A. P.C.

meh playing online games against people with kb/m sucks, using a kb/m on the couch sucks

Brehvolution · « **Reply #52 on:** March 31, 2016, 11:09:13 AM »

Quote from: Trent Dole on March 30, 2016, 08:19:15 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 30, 2016, 04:14:45 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1202462

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For the PS4K

Deep Down

BUILD. A. P.C.

I have a PC. It was meant as a joke since a lot of people thought it was vaporware.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

And it still could be.

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brob · « **Reply #53 on:** March 31, 2016, 11:33:50 AM »

didn't everyone stop hyping deep down when it was revealed to be a free2play w/ IAP cacpcom mess of a game?

or am i thinking of another title?

archie4208 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 31, 2016, 12:08:43 PM »

Quote from: brob on March 31, 2016, 11:33:50 AM

didn't everyone stop hyping deep down when it was revealed to be a free2play w/ IAP cacpcom mess of a game?

or am i thinking of another title?

That's the one. But the power of the PS4K will make it good.

naff · « **Reply #55 on:** March 31, 2016, 06:06:04 PM »

lmao if true, even the best GPUs have problems outputting 4k with decent image quality. Sony fad tech

edit: seems fair to want to sell more hardware through incremental upgrades. Also seems like this sort of thing just gives more credence to buying a PC. No way any console game will take advantage of 4k, come get your poor framerate, jaggie, low detail environments in higher definition!

If it's a hardware update to support amazon, netflix, other apps etc in 4k as G says that's even funnier.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #56 on:** March 31, 2016, 06:29:48 PM »

either deep down came out a long time ago in Japan, or Capcom has a different online dragons dogma game bc i saw plenty of people stemming it awhile ago. looked like a good ass game from what i saw

tiesto · « **Reply #57 on:** March 31, 2016, 10:09:06 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on March 31, 2016, 06:29:48 PM

either deep down came out a long time ago in Japan, or Capcom has a different online dragons dogma game bc i saw plenty of people stemming it awhile ago. looked like a good ass game from what i saw

Dragon's Dogma Online is something different than what Deep Down was supposed to be, iirc.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #58 on:** March 31, 2016, 10:27:51 PM »

Quote from: brob on March 31, 2016, 11:33:50 AM

didn't everyone stop hyping deep down when it was revealed to be a free2play w/ IAP cacpcom mess of a game?

or am i thinking of another title?

No, you're correct.

And at this point they better be releasing it on PC a la SF5 if they hope to make money back. Their "next-gen engine" totally flopped on them.

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #59 on:** April 10, 2016, 09:17:47 AM »

We're probably going to have this every weekend till E3 for filler editorials and because there's smoke everywhere regarding this thing

Digital Foundry has an "In Theory" video and doubles down on "It's real"

Kyle Bosman of Easy Allies said he's already been told it's real and why people have to cope with it (Watch the bonus ending after the Patreon ad if you still don't get it)

News:

Author Topic: PS4.5 thread of hearsay and conjecture (Read 14713 times)