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Phoenix Dark

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2016, 11:36:20 AM »
Isn't it possible her parents set up the account when she was a kid, for her Harry Potter monies?
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2016, 11:43:15 AM »
Isn't it possible her parents set up the account when she was a kid, for her Harry Potter monies?

Possible, but why would they offshore under her name when they could've taken the money themselves?

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #62 on: May 12, 2016, 11:43:37 AM »
Isn't it possible her parents set up the account when she was a kid, for her Harry Potter monies?

Her reps talked about it, but they didn't mention her parents. They offered up some weak explanation about how it isn't illegal.
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #63 on: May 12, 2016, 11:56:52 AM »
She's basically Lindsay Bluth. Wiki on Lindsay Bluth:

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believing herself to be a dedicated left-wing activist, though she is actually greedy, selfish and materialistic, mainly supporting current trendy causes for the social status

Holy shit. You're right. :neogaf When will she get into the free speech cage?

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Phoenix Dark

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #64 on: May 12, 2016, 11:58:08 AM »
Another white feminist shows her true colors (white)  :doge
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« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2016, 12:52:06 PM »
Another white feminist shows her true colors (white)  :doge

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Kara

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2016, 01:21:18 PM »
Isn't it possible her parents set up the account when she was a kid, for her Harry Potter monies?

She said that she set it up because her personal information is required to be published due to being a shareholder under the U.K.'s laws and she only does this to avoid that and not to launder income that would otherwise be taxable.

I'm not unsympathetic (I personally operate a byzantine arrangement of accounts for privacy reasons), but you can build a great lie on a kernel of truth.

TVC15

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2016, 01:25:54 PM »
She should just own up to it. This would be like the tiniest awful thing I'd be doing if I had Potter money, and I also hold some progressive viewpoints. People need to embrace their hypocrisy. Only then can it not hurt them. There's nothing that prevents me from both being a feminist and wanting to purchase children so that I can cut off their fingers one-by-one with gardening shears.
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2016, 01:27:54 PM »
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2016, 01:36:10 PM »
Doesn't matter what one thing has to do with the other, she's tainted now. People expect purity from their icons, for whatever reason.

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2016, 02:00:23 PM »
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #71 on: May 12, 2016, 02:11:29 PM »
U2 have a bunch of their holdings offshore from Ireland and nobody gives a fuck, you're all blowing this way out or proportion.
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« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2016, 02:14:48 PM »
U2 have a bunch of their holdings offshore from Ireland and nobody gives a fuck, you're all blowing this way out or proportion.

Nobody likes U2, though.
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #73 on: May 12, 2016, 02:25:59 PM »
Emma Watson hasn't done anything to rustle me so I can't really get upset over this. She's not perfect and there's nothing wrong with :money

Amandla Stenberg tho :piss2
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« Reply #74 on: May 12, 2016, 02:40:37 PM »
U2 have a bunch of their holdings offshore from Ireland and nobody gives a fuck, you're all blowing this way out or proportion.

The Irish get a break though cause they are the least civilized western nation.  Its like how no one really cares about all the Chinese people also caught, including Jackie Chan. 

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Kara

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #75 on: May 12, 2016, 02:41:57 PM »
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

She made her money on an adaptation written by a single parent living on public assistance (something funded by tax and, more importantly, future taxes). Setting aside the fact that the welfare state (something that needs tax revenue to function, Chartalists are nutters) is a guarantor of the freedom of women, at the very least she's an incredible ingrate if she participated in this to launder her money.

I don't really think y'all understand this arrangement very well. Should I Vox-splain it?

Phoenix Dark

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #76 on: May 12, 2016, 02:51:13 PM »
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

She made her money on an adaptation written by a single parent living on public assistance (something funded by tax and, more importantly, future taxes). Setting aside the fact that the welfare state (something that needs tax revenue to function, Chartalists are nutters) is a guarantor of the freedom of women, at the very least she's an incredible ingrate if she participated in this to launder her money.

I don't really think y'all understand this arrangement very well. Should I Vox-splain it?

Why do you hate job creators
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #77 on: May 12, 2016, 04:05:00 PM »
Are there even job creators in a communist state?  Kara please explain. 

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« Reply #78 on: May 12, 2016, 04:38:11 PM »
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

She made her money on an adaptation written by a single parent living on public assistance (something funded by tax and, more importantly, future taxes)
. Setting aside the fact that the welfare state (something that needs tax revenue to function, Chartalists are nutters) is a guarantor of the freedom of women, at the very least she's an incredible ingrate if she participated in this to launder her money.

I don't really think y'all understand this arrangement very well. Should I Vox-splain it?
She was nine years old when she made that money. And yeah, setting aside that, a wealthy celebrity is a hypocritical ingrate? Color me shocked. It's almost as if these people pay a team of others to present a public image that's wholly at odds with their true selves. Forgive me for not being able to get worked up something that seems fairly minor in the scale of questionable moral decisions, especially in a leak that deals with real monsters who actually have a modicum of influence over the world

Kara

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« Reply #79 on: May 12, 2016, 05:07:59 PM »
Are there even job creators in a communist state?  Kara please explain.

There are many job creators in Communist states. The dissident creates the need for censors, the counter revolutionary creates the need for political police officers, the Brezhnev gerontocrat creates the need for sundry positions in a bloated military industrial complex, et cetera.

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« Reply #80 on: May 12, 2016, 06:23:03 PM »
Forgive me for not being able to get worked up something that seems fairly minor in the scale of questionable moral decisions, especially in a leak that deals with real monsters who actually have a modicum of influence over the world

Real Monsters who did the same thing she did.  :doge :doge :doge Just sayin' :yeshrug

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2016, 06:48:18 PM »
She should have hidden her money in Gringotts like Harry and Ron did. They have dragons to protect her privacy.
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2016, 07:31:25 PM »
Forgive me for not being able to get worked up something that seems fairly minor in the scale of questionable moral decisions, especially in a leak that deals with real monsters who actually have a modicum of influence over the world

Real Monsters who did the same thing she did.  :doge :doge :doge Just sayin' :yeshrug

Sure, but the unbolded was my main point. I'm gonna speculate that her spending habits have a negligible impact compared to those of Bashar Al-Assad or Vladimir Putin

TVC15

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« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2016, 07:39:49 PM »
Forgive me for not being able to get worked up something that seems fairly minor in the scale of questionable moral decisions, especially in a leak that deals with real monsters who actually have a modicum of influence over the world

Real Monsters who did the same thing she did.  :doge :doge :doge Just sayin' :yeshrug

Sure, but the unbolded was my main point. I'm gonna speculate that her spending habits have a negligible impact compared to those of Bashar Al-Assad or Vladimir Putin

Whatevs. That was probably Putin's jizz stain in that upskirt pic.
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #84 on: May 13, 2016, 06:04:21 AM »
U2 have a bunch of their holdings offshore from Ireland and nobody gives a fuck, you're all blowing this way out or proportion.

what?

everybody in ireland hates u2

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« Reply #85 on: May 13, 2016, 02:51:50 PM »
Really? That's kind of great.
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2016, 08:57:22 AM »
http://boingboing.net/2016/05/30/when-brad-birkenfeld-blew-the.html

It's not the Panama Papers, but it is about offshore tax evasion, and Hillary's complicit cooperation with the Swiss to protect their banking and the politically exposed.

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« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2016, 09:32:25 AM »
That case was actually my big break in the industry and how it's described is not entirely accurate. Can't really go into an explanation atm because I have to go help people pay less tax who can afford to pay more, but I'll write up more late.

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« Reply #88 on: June 01, 2016, 01:52:39 AM »
http://boingboing.net/2016/05/30/when-brad-birkenfeld-blew-the.html

It's not the Panama Papers, but it is about offshore tax evasion, and Hillary's complicit cooperation with the Swiss to protect their banking and the politically exposed.

My belated commentary.

-Calling Bradley Birkenfeld a whistleblower is disingenuous. A more apt description would be: "A criminal who dropped a dime on his crew for a nickel." While he allegedly didn't know what he was doing at UBS (advising Americans on how to get assets to Switzerland to avoid reporting income) was illegal at first, I personally find that an extremely tall tale. You don't get to that level of wealth management with that astounding a level of ignorance. Did I mention that he didn't simply hand over the information to the authorities when his conscience--no doubt helped along by the passage of federal law that monetarily rewards persons who report tax evasion to the authorities--compelled him? No, he tried to trade it for immunity first.

-The 4,450. This article wants you to believe that UBS only had to give up 4,450 names chosen by no real standard and that was the end of the matter. What actually happened was that the IRS said to all taxpayers, "UBS is going to give us 4,450 names. If you confess now you only have to pay a penalty and your back taxes. If you don't confess and your name is on that 4,450, we're going to throw the book at you." Guess what happened? People fell over themselves to confess and avoid potential jail time. Plenty of people without means skate and avoid jail in tax matters. Generally speaking the IRS is more concerned about making sure you rendered unto Caesar, not crucifying you.

-Name and Shame. IRC Sec. 6103 severely limits what taxpayer information may be shared by the IRS. I'm not exactly one to fetishize rule of law, but this one exists to protect taxpayers (from FDR to Nixon this information was abused for political purposes prior to its passage) and give them peace of mind in reporting very sensitive information (e.g. medical records, religious affiliations). Ultimately the #1 interest of the IRS is getting people to file their required returns, not assuaging public curiosity.

-The United States is an international tax haven. Delaware is the one you might be familiar with, but Florida is something like the Switzerland of Latin America. (The U.S. welcomes money hidden from leftist governments for "political" reasons? Color me shocked.) Because of this topic that generally goes undiscussed outside tax periodicals it has been difficult for the Treasury Department to modernize reporting reciprocity with foreign countries since countries usually want something for something. The UBS incident gave the U.S. cause to leverage the Swiss into coming more into the fold... I don't think people really realize how huge it was to even get 4,450 names in the first place. Check out the agreement, it's pretty lopsided in favor of the U.S. https://www.justice.gov/tax/file/631356/download
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #89 on: September 07, 2016, 08:54:31 AM »
Denmark is buying the Panama papers for 1 million euro to chase down evaders

best country

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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #90 on: September 07, 2016, 06:26:25 PM »
I was wondering what what going on with this. I expected this to be larger news than it has been.

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« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2016, 06:48:01 PM »
I was wondering what what going on with this. I expected this to be larger news than it has been.

It fizzled out pretty quick. Not enough juicy bits for the public at large ?
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2016, 06:56:57 PM »
Lamest country ever....shitting on those good people like that. :doge
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Re: Panama Papers
« Reply #93 on: September 22, 2016, 05:56:00 AM »
Le Monde is reporting that the group of outlets working on the "Panama Papers" had access to new leaked files from Bahamas. Neelie Kroes, former commissar to competition in the Barroso european executive, failed to disclosed while in office that she was administrating an offshore company in the Bahamas. That company was supposed to take part in the buyout of the international activities in Enron for United Emirates investors back in the early 2000, but that never went through.

She claims was a "non executive administrator" and that she left in 2002 and being listed on board until 2009 was a clerical error.
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