You ever feel guilty about enjoying a game that doesn't have a lot of diversity?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Final Fantasy XV is coming out soon, and I could not be more hyped for it. It's one of the few games me and my friends, who generally have very different tastes, are all excited to try out together. This is because we love the bro roadtrip tone of the game. It reminds us of how we sometimes just take time off to go on dumb roadtrips with each other, have some fun and bro out. So when we saw what the game was about we basically all went "Great!" and all got pretty hyped about it.

That said, in spite of how much the game interests me, I can see why the game definitely wouldn't appeal to others, especially since Final Fantasy was a generally inclusive series to start with. So...well, I genuinely feel bad about people who feel left out by the game. I can see why it would bug them that the game went with a cast and setting that makes them feel like the game isn't for them.

Yet when people say things like "The game should have X" I kind of feel guilty because I can't really join the chorus saying that. I mean, a part of me would be glad for cast changes in FFXV because I know how much the lack of female characters in the party bothers people. At the same time, for purely selfish reasons, I would probably enjoy the game less. One thing me and my friends genuinely enjoy about road trips is that we kind of let our guards down and let down on the "grrr guys don't talk about feelings to other guys" stereotype. It's a fun experience, and I'm kind of hoping the game goes for that bromance feeling of a road trip that we had. It's not so much that my friends and I think female characters would change the dynamic and more that we like seeing male characters openly express affection for each other. It's nice, and combined with the road trip feeling, it's just something we kind of can relate to, you know? So FFXV is definitely something we are all looking forward to.

Buuuuut end of the day, I still feel a tad guilty about enjoying the game as is because I can tell a lot of people feel excluded by it. It's like "Maaaan, this appeals to me, but I wish it appealed to other people too." Like, my girlfriend is fine with the game because she finds the ridiculous kpop star look fucking hilarious, but at the same time I also have other friends who are let down by the cast.

I guess what I meant to create the thread for is to ask--anybody else have moments where they enjoy a game as is for personal reasons but feel sort of bummed out because they want others to enjoy being represented as well? I was wondering if that was a me thing or if more people felt that way.

[tiesto]

Not guilty but it was uncomfortable to play through Witcher 3 and generally I think there are too many games that are so fucking white that it's reminding me of white supremacy and the erasure of non-white people in the world.

I've also always found it tasteless how often video games require you to shoot brown or nonwhite people as a white dude. Call of duty, resident evil 5, uncharted, and so forth have some ugly sides to them in their politically oblivious simulation of taking the lives of nonwhite characters as a white English speaking dude.

Character creators are also reminders of who sits on top of the production pyramid and who is prioritized in game development. It's disappointing and yet another reminder of how white supremacy condition our society.

And the worst thing is that this implicit erasure is pointed out and the industry is asked to improve, a lot of people explode and can't even handle one inch of less white dudes. It's there for marginalized people to see and tell about, but most don't want to listen or work actively against the wish for more recognition of actual people who aren't white English men

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I like EA NHL 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Not guilty but it was uncomfortable to play through Witcher 3 and generally I think there are too many games that are so fucking white that it's reminding me of white supremacy and the erasure of non-white people in the world.

I've also always found it tasteless how often video games require you to shoot brown or nonwhite people as a white dude. Call of duty, resident evil 5, uncharted, and so forth have some ugly sides to them in their politically oblivious simulation of taking the lives of nonwhite characters as a white English speaking dude.

Character creators are also reminders of who sits on top of the production pyramid and who is prioritized in game development. It's disappointing and yet another reminder of how white supremacy condition our society.

And the worst thing is that this implicit erasure is pointed out and the industry is asked to improve, a lot of people explode and can't even handle one inch of less white dudes. It's there for marginalized people to see and tell about, but most don't want to listen or work actively against the wish for more recognition of actual people who aren't white English men

I know this is a GAF repost as well cause Witcher 3 ain't out on SNES.

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1204798

[mormapope]

Final Fantasy has had boring as fuck casts after FFX. FFX has one of the best casts. Meg Ryan, huge titty goth woman, someone that throws variations of a beach ball, purple lion man, wise dude that wields a huge ass sword, jail bait chick, and then Yuna, who is the worst in this lineup.

FFXIII's cast was beyond garbage. FFXII's cast was more boring but less annoying then XIII's cast.

[tiesto]

Not guilty but it was uncomfortable to play through Witcher 3 and generally I think there are too many games that are so fucking white that it's reminding me of white supremacy and the erasure of non-white people in the world.

I've also always found it tasteless how often video games require you to shoot brown or nonwhite people as a white dude. Call of duty, resident evil 5, uncharted, and so forth have some ugly sides to them in their politically oblivious simulation of taking the lives of nonwhite characters as a white English speaking dude.

Character creators are also reminders of who sits on top of the production pyramid and who is prioritized in game development. It's disappointing and yet another reminder of how white supremacy condition our society.

And the worst thing is that this implicit erasure is pointed out and the industry is asked to improve, a lot of people explode and can't even handle one inch of less white dudes. It's there for marginalized people to see and tell about, but most don't want to listen or work actively against the wish for more recognition of actual people who aren't white English men

I know this is a GAF repost as well cause Witcher 3 ain't out on SNES.

It's that guy (girl?) Lime. But I'm planning on playing Witcher 3 though even if it's not retro. I've played through 1 and 2, just waiting for the "enhanced edition" and a bit more free time before diving heavily into the 3rd one.

Final Fantasy has had boring as fuck casts after FFX. FFX has one of the best casts. Meg Ryan, huge titty goth woman, someone that throws variations of a beach ball, purple lion man, wise dude that wields a huge ass sword, jail bait chick, and then Yuna, who is the worst in this lineup.

FFXIII's cast was beyond garbage. FFXII's cast was more boring but less annoying then XIII's cast.

Agreed, 15's cast looks so boring due to the all-black ensembles and lack of distinguishing features between the characters. The old FF games (aside from the Job system ones) had some pretty memorable characters, we had genetically engineered canines, yetis, beach bum blitzball players, robotic cats on giant moogles, all kinds of hair colors and builds...

[Rufus]

Fucking Wakka. Combat beach ball, like wtf. Fuck Wakka.

[mormapope]

Another thing that was great about FFX was the voice cast. On a performance level, it seemed like everyone tried incredibly hard to nail their character, but the writing was hit or miss a lot of the time. The characters and the voices they were assigned though were perfect.

[Human Snorenado]

White, cis-male privilege paying off again for me



On the real, I tend to enjoy games where I have a bit of character customization options, like Saint's Row, Fallout, to a lesser extent Diablo or [insert arpg here]. The one exception to that lately has been Witcher 3, but the overall high quality of the game more than made up for having to play Grumpypants Geralt, at least for me.

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya sometimes I look around and think I would really like to see a scantly clad black girl to go along with these scanty clad white and asain girls.

[Tasty]

I wish there was less diversity. I was so happy Animal Crossing: New Leaf only had white people. ^_^

[ToxicAdam]

The only time I get annoyed is when they overly sexualize women in games. Not because it offends me morally or I have some kind of feminist bent, it's more because they insult my intelligence by thinking the game needed it. It's that same feeling I get when I listen to the lyrics of a Kesha or Katy Perry song.

[benjipwns]

I struggle to play a game without background on the characters canonical ages. It's like they want me to go by looks rather than emotional truths.

[archie4208]

I struggle to play a game without background on the characters canonical ages. It's like they want me to go by looks rather than emotional truths.

Gotta make sure they're actually 1000 year old dragons. 

[toku]

Witcher 3 is game of the generation so nah, bless up.

[Rahxephon91]

FFXV looks pretty good to me. Going to be nice playing a game about a bunch of male friends on a road trip. Better then the dower and angry dudes who inhabit most games these days. These guys actually look kind of fun.

[mormapope]

FFXV looks pretty good to me. Going to be nice playing a game about a bunch of male friends on a road trip. Better then the dower and angry dudes who inhabit most games these days. These guys actually look kind of fun.

Isn't the protagonist going to be the overly serious, moody dude that the group needs to constantly cheer up? That's the impression I've gotten with all the story and dialog bits shown.

[Tasty]

For real though gaming could probably use more gays, especially non-stereotypical gay males (lesbian and bisexual women seem like they have less stigma.)

It's weird that Mortal Kombat is kinda leading the way on this one, haha.

[Brehvolution]

Nope. Never ever crossed my mind and never will.

Expect fake, fairy tale worlds to conform to your real world biases, brehs.

[mormapope]

For real though gaming could probably use more gays, especially non-stereotypical gay males (lesbian and bisexual women seem like they have less stigma.)

It's weird that Mortal Kombat is kinda leading the way on this one, haha.

Big Boss should've been gay or bisexual in MGS mythos. Big Boss being gay and changing some aspects of MGS3 would've made the character much stronger. EVA's attempts at flirting and sexual espionage failing because Big Boss wasn't attracted to her sexually, ultimate irony for EVA being falling in love with a man that can't love her back sexually.

Big Boss looking up to The Boss as a mother he never had. He would've been born in the 30's, his mom finding out he's gay, gets disowned by his family, kicked out, joins the military. Finds solace in being a soldier. The Boss teaches him what being loyal to your country, your mission means, this breaks that solace that he built up. 

This might sound like oddball writing for Big Boss, but jesus christ, the dude had a ton of homoerotic moments with Kaz and Ocelot.

[Trent Dole]

[eleuin]

There are plenty of diverse stereotypes in the warriors series for you to enjoy

[naff]

I pretend that i stopped playing FFXIII-2 because Serah disgusted me, but really it's coz they took too long letting me get to the meat of the game when I'd already fucked around for way too long getting to the meat of the game in FFXIII. I have time for what Squeenix were trying to do, but not THAT much time. The pacing of their games is fucked. FFXV also looks like a turd so far imho.

[The Sceneman]

I pretend that i stopped playing FFXIII-2 because Serah disgusted me, but really it's coz they took too long letting me get to the meat of the game when I'd already fucked around for way too long getting to the meat of the game in FFXIII. I have time for what Squeenix were trying to do, but not THAT much time. The pacing of their games is fucked. FFXV also looks like a turd so far imho.

 

JRPGs breh, take em or leave em

[naff]

leave them

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[The Sceneman]

For real though gaming could probably use more gays, especially non-stereotypical gay males (lesbian and bisexual women seem like they have less stigma.)

It's weird that Mortal Kombat is kinda leading the way on this one, haha.

Big Boss should've been gay or bisexual in MGS mythos. Big Boss being gay and changing some aspects of MGS3 would've made the character much stronger. EVA's attempts at flirting and sexual espionage failing because Big Boss wasn't attracted to her sexually, ultimate irony for EVA being falling in love with a man that can't love her back sexually.

Big Boss looking up to The Boss as a mother he never had. He would've been born in the 30's, his mom finding out he's gay, gets disowned by his family, kicked out, joins the military. Finds solace in being a soldier. The Boss teaches him what being loyal to your country, your mission means, this breaks that solace that he built up. 

This might sound like oddball writing for Big Boss, but jesus christ, the dude had a ton of homoerotic moments with Kaz and Ocelot.

I agree with this post 100%. Big Boss being gay(or even asexual) actually makes a lot of sense.

[Tasty]

For real though gaming could probably use more gays, especially non-stereotypical gay males (lesbian and bisexual women seem like they have less stigma.)

It's weird that Mortal Kombat is kinda leading the way on this one, haha.

Big Boss should've been gay or bisexual in MGS mythos. Big Boss being gay and changing some aspects of MGS3 would've made the character much stronger. EVA's attempts at flirting and sexual espionage failing because Big Boss wasn't attracted to her sexually, ultimate irony for EVA being falling in love with a man that can't love her back sexually.

Big Boss looking up to The Boss as a mother he never had. He would've been born in the 30's, his mom finding out he's gay, gets disowned by his family, kicked out, joins the military. Finds solace in being a soldier. The Boss teaches him what being loyal to your country, your mission means, this breaks that solace that he built up. 

This might sound like oddball writing for Big Boss, but jesus christ, the dude had a ton of homoerotic moments with Kaz and Ocelot.

As far as I'm concerned Ocelot is canonically homosexual.

[Coitus]

That's why I only play RE5.