Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues

[Rufus]

B-b-but I turned out fine!

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113413810/spanking-defiance-health-discipline-042616/

[Mupepe]

Makes sense.  I'm kind of fucked up.

[TakingBackSunday]

Not shocking.

[archnemesis]

Corporal punishment of children is child abuse.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I can see why this would happen.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Makes sense.  I'm kind of fucked up.

You getting a hand to your bottom isn't the reason you're fucked up, it's just one of the reasons!


Anyway growing up we got our ass whupped, mama tolerated no shit. And I watched all my friends get whupped too. It was normal back them.

Now? I don't hit my kids. I mean I'll never tell anybody how to raise theirs but I'll step in like a did a few months ago when a woman was literally going ham on her 4 year old at the mall. No reason to add public humiliation to the the spanking in my opinion.

[ToxicAdam]

It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.


Personally, I don't have a problem with occasionally swatting a 3 or 4 year old to correct them. But you can't tell average people that because some are stupid and lazy and will take it to the extreme.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.


Personally, I don't have a problem with occasionally swatting a 3 or 4 year old to correct them. But you can't tell average people that because some are stupid and lazy and will take it to the extreme.

Well said.

I don't swat but I do grab and shoulder squeeze when required. The 5th time dad has to tell you you aren't getting (Insert item here) and you continue to whine you are getting a spock style death squeeze for a second.

Tip: Don't try that with your wife

[Rufus]

It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.

It's my understanding that what they looked at here is what qualifies as 'spanking', rather than abuse. I'd love to look at the paper regarding the other factors, but I'm not paying 12$ for it and I can't find this year's issues of the journal on lib.gen. :<

[Am_I_Anonymous]

It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.

It's my understanding that what they looked at here is what qualifies as 'spanking', rather than abuse. I'd love to look at the paper regarding the other factors, but I'm not paying 12$ for it and I can't find this year's issues of the journal on lib.gen. :<

Not sure how you can scientifically decide that as there are so many factors at play. Size of person, power of strikes, verbal abuse, etc.

[nachobro]

Well said.

I don't swat but I do grab and shoulder squeeze when required. The 5th time dad has to tell you you aren't getting (Insert item here) and you continue to whine you are getting a spock style death squeeze for a second.

Tip: Don't try that with your wife

I got the death squeeze as a kid. That was the signal that a gasket was gonna be blown real quick.

[Rufus]

It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.

It's my understanding that what they looked at here is what qualifies as 'spanking', rather than abuse. I'd love to look at the paper regarding the other factors, but I'm not paying 12$ for it and I can't find this year's issues of the journal on lib.gen. :<

Not sure how you can scientifically decide that as there are so many factors at play. Size of person, power of strikes, verbal abuse, etc.

Well, all I can find is "Our analysis focuses on what most Americans would recognize as spanking and not on potentially abusive behaviors". Difficult to tell what that actually means.

edit: Nevermind, I'm just fucking blind.

"Gershoff and co-author Andrew Grogan-Kaylor, an associate professor at the University of Michigan School of Social Work, found that spanking (defined as an open-handed hit on the behind or extremities) was significantly linked with 13 of the 17 outcomes they examined, all in the direction of detrimental outcomes."
http://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers (this one's more detailed)

[ToxicAdam]

That's where the conversation gets tricky though. Where do you draw the line between 'child beating' and simple discipline?

Swatting your kid for every infraction is abuse, but giving him a swat because he ran out into the street without looking/asking for assistance is okay in my eyes. You are giving him a negative response for something that could potentially kill him.

 

[Steve Contra]

Basically don't do to your child what would get you arrested for doing to an adult.

[Brehvolution]

If you want to see the difference between discipline and abuse, go to walmart and you will see some of both.

I remember getting spanked in school by the principal a few times between grades of 1 and 4. It was a christian school and my parents had to sign off on it I'm sure. You were told how many whacks you were going to get and you got to sit in his office and cry it out before you had to go back to your classroom. Looking back on it the shit is pretty barbaric. If I saw the dude now, I'd have no remorse in paying his elderly ass back with a few whacks to his backside. Dude is probably in hell now anyway.

[Mupepe]

If you want to see the difference between discipline and abuse, go to walmart and you will see some of both.

I remember getting spanked in school by the principal a few times between grades of 1 and 4. It was a christian school and my parents had to sign off on it I'm sure. You were told how many whacks you were going to get and you got to sit in his office and cry it out before you had to go back to your classroom. Looking back on it the shit is pretty barbaric. If I saw the dude now, I'd have no remorse in paying his elderly ass back with a few whacks to his backside. Dude is probably in hell now anyway.

My stepmoms Dad was the principal at my elementary where they used a paddle. That shit sucked bro

[CatsCatsCats]

Beat em as hard as you can, and if they live they're witches

[brawndolicious]

In most immigrant families, corporal punishment is more violent than the style that's here where you get "assigned" a number of spankings to be administered in a specific manner. I don't think I know anyone my age who's okay with that since it just makes you afraid of them until you're old enough to be stronger than them.

Clearly it fucks up family dynamics even more. I'm not saying that everybody from Asia/middle-east does that but it's very common and probably explains the emotional distance most of us have with out parents in adulthood.

[Madrun Badrun]

My trick to beating children is just to not be their parents.  You jump out of a bush at them and they aint going to stop you.  Not with those tinny little arms.  They have no reach. 

[king of the internet]

All I remember is laughter defiantly as my mom took the spoon to me 

[G The Resurrected]

I grew up in a violent home as a child and it didn't matter what I did wrong I was abused daily. I turned out fine..... 

Doesn't help that I try and have a relationship with the abuser after all of these years and he still doesn't understand the damage he caused. I think that makes the better person that I can see past the faults of someone so evil and forgive them for what they did to me. I don't know what the driving factor was at the time outside of stress,drugs, and general unhappiness but he seems to have moved on as well and that's good for everyone.

But the past did happen and while I don't blame it for the choices I've made in my life, it really did influence it heavily. I can't change that, but I can change the future and strive to never be that person.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

All I remember is laughter defiantly as my mom took the spoon to me 

[mormapope]

I'm a firm believer in:

If someone constantly spanks their kid or a kid they're looking after, or do physical shit as punishment for any type of misbehavior or mistake, that kid reserves the right to beat the shit out of the parent or guardian when they're elderly or whenever the kid has enough power as a teen or adult. 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

PD, you ever laugh at your mom when she went biblical on that ass?

Seriously, white people.....

[Mupepe]

PD, you ever laugh at your mom when she went biblical on that ass?

Seriously, white people.....

#notallwhitepeople

It wasn't a laughing matter when my dad busted out a wooden paddle with holes drilled in it.

[Human Snorenado]

White mothers need to step their game up, I laughed at my mom when she tried to spank me with a spoon at like 13 or 14.

[Atramental]

I was a little pansy as a child so getting a spanking terrified the fuck out me.

Now as an adult I realize I was only getting swatted with only 15% of my dad or mom's strength. 

[Mupepe]

My mom also loved to throw shit. I mean irons, plates, laundry baskets. Whatever she had in her hand. It's a joke now in the family that when we got older we learned to check out what was in her hands before we gave her bad news.

[CatsCatsCats]

Cmon, nothing about PD's upbringing that I've heard before leads me to believe he was ever hit, but I'll let him speak for himself on that.

Sign me up for team white got hit

[Madrun Badrun]

Not being able to watch the Simpsons was enough abuse.  No need to hit a child who is already broke. 

[Phoenix Dark]

I look back at my disciplinary history as BG and AG: Before Gluestick and After Gluestick. Getting spanked with a belt or hand wasn't that bad. TBH I rarely got spankings anyway, compared to my brothers.

But when my mom got that gluestick shit changed brehs. My mom was looking for any reason to bust your ass. I got spanked with that shit one time, never again.

Imagine getting spanked by a flexible, thick gluestick that moves at the speed of lightning. Ten inches. #dualities

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It really all does go back to our parents. 

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[CatsCatsCats]

Alright, I straight up apologize for acting like I knew your life.

You mean like a glue rod refill thing for a hot glue gun?

[Atramental]

I'm starting to see a pattern in here. 

edit: Father Mike... what about you? 

[Madrun Badrun]

Nah.  From where I come from, not hitting your children has been in vogue for a few generations.

White privilege

[Atramental]

But... but... the things you post. 

[Madrun Badrun]

What can I say.  I was bullied for a week during grade 3. 

[Atramental]

 

[Madrun Badrun]

Did you take back a like?  That's completely uncivilized internet behavior.  No wonder your parents beat your pansy ass.

[Atramental]

It didn't seem right to like a sad post.  :'(

[Madrun Badrun]

It was a joke post making light of the fact that people try to back project all their problems to childhood incidents.  The joke being that one week in grade three is the reason I need to kill. 

[Phoenix Dark]

When your mom told you your dad was gonna spank you when he got home

The anticipation>the actual spanking

[Atramental]

That shit was THE WORST. 

[chronovore]

Which is another form of bullshit parenting: putting it on the other parent to do the disciplining after the first has passed judgement. My parents did this sometimes, and it seemed unfair to my father in retrospect.

[thisismyusername]

The worst I ever got was flat hand. No belts, no fists. Just flat hand. I don't know if I agree with that method or the squeeze A_I_A goes with. Generally ignoring the kid for a bit will get them to calm down, but that might seem like neglect and doing that in public isn't the best method.

Not that I'm one for parenting tips.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The worst I ever got was flat hand. No belts, no fists. Just flat hand. I don't know if I agree with that method or the squeeze A_I_A goes with. Generally ignoring the kid for a bit will get them to calm down, but that might seem like neglect and doing that in public isn't the best method.

Not that I'm one for parenting tips.

Ha ha this taco says ignore your kids and it will go away...

You're not qualified to provide any more answers here.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I got spanked by my dad with a belt once on my ass (because I was bullying some girl or something on holiday). It was really normal back then in Poland and everyone I knew also got a spanking sometimes.

I won't be spanking my kids though.

[Fifstar]

It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

If it's a good study, they looked at factors like these if possible and did control their results for that.

Anyway growing up we got our ass whupped, mama tolerated no shit. And I watched all my friends get whupped too. It was normal back them.

Yeah I believe there is truth to that. If some degree of phyiscal punishment is normal in your surrounding, it's gonna have less emotional impact than if you're the only kid in class that gets hit by your parents. I mean, physical punishment was probably part of most cultures and our ancestors weren't all psychos. Still it's obvious that not hitting kids will have a positive impact on societies general attidudes towards violence (and the well being of kids).

[Cerveza mas fina]

As with everything a person relates to their surroundings, poverty, social mobility, attitude towards woman etc.

[Atramental]

The worst I ever got was flat hand. No belts, no fists. Just flat hand. I don't know if I agree with that method or the squeeze A_I_A goes with. Generally ignoring the kid for a bit will get them to calm down, but that might seem like neglect and doing that in public isn't the best method.

Not that I'm one for parenting tips.