I miss the old Detroit v Chicago house battles

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I'm old.

All hail the goat though

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And this was when we actually, you know, had records you computer DJ wannabe fucks.

PS go get buckfunk....every baseline you need.

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[Am_I_Anonymous]

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[Madrun Badrun]

What is a house battle? 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

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[Human Snorenado]

Fuck a bunch of house music, let's talk about ghettotech (which means Detroit is winning)

[Great Rumbler]

[tiesto]

I knew one of these days AIA would eventually get around to taking the piss out of digital DJing.

So much more convenient than carrying tons of vinyl everywhere, a mixer + laptop takes up so much less space than a turntable setup, lots of dance music is digital-only nowadays. Sure, vinyl is cool and there's that whole 'purist' angle, but dance music is about futurism and embracing technology.

[VomKriege]

Jeff Mills young is quite the shocker.

[Fifstar]

I knew one of these days AIA would eventually get around to taking the piss out of digital DJing.

So much more convenient than carrying tons of vinyl everywhere, a mixer + laptop takes up so much less space than a turntable setup, lots of dance music is digital-only nowadays. Sure, vinyl is cool and there's that whole 'purist' angle, but dance music is about futurism and embracing technology.

Eh, in the house and disco space there are more cool vinyl only tracks than digital only tracks getting released.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I knew one of these days AIA would eventually get around to taking the piss out of digital DJing.

So much more convenient than carrying tons of vinyl everywhere, a mixer + laptop takes up so much less space than a turntable setup, lots of dance music is digital-only nowadays. Sure, vinyl is cool and there's that whole 'purist' angle, but dance music is about futurism and embracing technology.

That's not DJ'ing, it's computer programming. Sorry man the two aren't event similar. One take talent and the other takes two mouse button presses...just saying.

I'm not saying they don't put out good shit, but to me they aren't DJ's. That's all.

[Rufus]

That's extremely reductive. Performance wise it's not much to look at, but composition is a little more than "two mouse button presses".

[Am_I_Anonymous]

That's extremely reductive. Performance wise it's not much to look at, but composition is a little more than "two mouse button presses".

I dont know man. We had one of the better djs in the city do a party and he eessentially pretty programmed everything. I'm sure they do this for live public  performance as well.

[Fifstar]

I knew one of these days AIA would eventually get around to taking the piss out of digital DJing.

So much more convenient than carrying tons of vinyl everywhere, a mixer + laptop takes up so much less space than a turntable setup, lots of dance music is digital-only nowadays. Sure, vinyl is cool and there's that whole 'purist' angle, but dance music is about futurism and embracing technology.

That's not DJ'ing, it's computer programming. Sorry man the two aren't event similar. One take talent and the other takes two mouse button presses...just saying.

I'm not saying they don't put out good shit, but to me they aren't DJ's. That's all.

Spinning vinyl is more difficult than playing with cds or a laptop but it's not really that hard either. You can teach it to anybody that has some basic rhytmic abilities and a ear for the speed of a track. And a lot of the old guard is playing with laptops now because they offer more possibilities to blend tracks and do live fx (although personally I'm a bigger fan of the old school approach).
The bigger difference is that the opportunity costs are much lower. You used to have to build your record collection over years and hone your skills while these days it's enough to be friends with a promoter and download a couple of dj charts to get started.

[VomKriege]

Not that I cannot appreciate the skill and charm of DJing with vinyl...

But what should I care as long as the music is dope ?

[VomKriege]

[Am_I_Anonymous]

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[VomKriege]

Poetry.
Baby what you pussy like ?
You know my pussy tight.



No clean version on Youtube ? For fuck's sake.





Sick beats

[tiesto]

I knew one of these days AIA would eventually get around to taking the piss out of digital DJing.

So much more convenient than carrying tons of vinyl everywhere, a mixer + laptop takes up so much less space than a turntable setup, lots of dance music is digital-only nowadays. Sure, vinyl is cool and there's that whole 'purist' angle, but dance music is about futurism and embracing technology.

That's not DJ'ing, it's computer programming. Sorry man the two aren't event similar. One take talent and the other takes two mouse button presses...just saying.

I'm not saying they don't put out good shit, but to me they aren't DJ's. That's all.

You sound like my uncle now He was a disco DJ back in the 70's, 2 1200s and a huge record collection. So what happened when I showed him my Traktor S2? He laughed and was like "blah blah that's not REAL DJing". Then I showed him how to use the controller/software and of course, he didn't want to stop. Nearly every controller over a certain price range have platters anyways so track manipulation still has a bit of the 'hands on' feel of vinyl.

Anyways, I grew up in the prog house era, where long, drawn out beatmatched mixes were the order of the day.  My style of DJing is highly influenced by this - tight beatmatching, mixing in-key, melody layering, and telling a "story" with set progression (I'm OK at it). And of course it was the big prog DJs who were some of the first to embrace digital and tools like Ableton (Sasha).

Hell, there's a good chance that even your favorite "done in vinyl" mix compilation had a lot of touching up done in Pro Tools.

Sure the DJ controller and the software makes it trivial to warp a track and count BPMs but it won't take care of set progression, in-key mixing, reading a crowd, or showmanship/marketing which are just as, if not more so, important to successful DJing, than knowing how to use turntables. And take it from someone who codes for a living, digital DJing is nothing like computer programming

Eh, in the house and disco space there are more cool vinyl only tracks than digital only tracks getting released.

Debatable, but I definitely agree there's some good vinyl only stuff out there (especially for melodic techno). That's why if I really like a vinyl track I'll just rip it to mp3

[bork]

I knew one of these days AIA would eventually get around to taking the piss out of digital DJing.

So much more convenient than carrying tons of vinyl everywhere, a mixer + laptop takes up so much less space than a turntable setup, lots of dance music is digital-only nowadays. Sure, vinyl is cool and there's that whole 'purist' angle, but dance music is about futurism and embracing technology.

That's not DJ'ing, it's computer programming. Sorry man the two aren't event similar. One take talent and the other takes two mouse button presses...just saying.

I'm not saying they don't put out good shit, but to me they aren't DJ's. That's all.

You know what takes talent?  Making good music, period.


And LOL at this entire post.  Might as well just rail on using turntables altogether since the real talent comes from the people actually picking up instruments and making the real music being used/remixed. 

[naff]

I can't find it cited anywhere to link, but I liked Robert Hoods stories about the early Detroit Scene in Michelangelo Matos' The Underground is Massive, recounting DJs getting beaten for not playing the right records, and these popular guys still playing pretty small ghetto parties. Then, when Frankie Knuckles and co got booked for some sets in Europe they suddenly realise all these white people love them, turning out in the thousands for raves but "couldn't dance for shit".

Now every rave is p much just white people

Should be a Bore anthem

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Look I'm not hating on Swedish House Mafia or whatever group you all bang to. At all. I'm just never going to consider them in the same regard I did my niccas who brought 7 crates of records to a party with no set list and banged this bitch out on instinct.

Modern DJs don't read a party because they never look at it.

[naff]

not that old but some all time favs

[VomKriege]

[Fifstar]

Look I'm not hating on Swedish House Mafia or whatever group you all bang to. At all. I'm just never going to consider them in the same regard I did my niccas who brought 7 crates of records to a party with no set list and banged this bitch out on instinct.

Modern DJs don't read a party because they never look at it.

Vinyl is all the rage with 'underground' djs in europe.

[T-Short]

Obsession about formats is about as relevant as what color socks the DJ is wearing. It's about music. Just dance.

[bork]

Look I'm not hating on Swedish House Mafia or whatever group you all bang to. At all. I'm just never going to consider them in the same regard I did my niccas who brought 7 crates of records to a party with no set list and banged this bitch out on instinct.

Modern DJs don't read a party because they never look at it.

So in other words...

I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

[tiesto]

I can't find it cited anywhere to link, but I liked Robert Hoods stories about the early Detroit Scene in Michelangelo Matos' The Underground is Massive, recounting DJs getting beaten for not playing the right records, and these popular guys still playing pretty small ghetto parties. Then, when Frankie Knuckles and co got booked for some sets in Europe they suddenly realise all these white people love them, turning out in the thousands for raves but "couldn't dance for shit".

Now every rave is p much just white people

At the festivals and clubs in NYC you'll find White, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Middle Eastern... but there are probably more Black performers/DJs than concertgoers.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I can't find it cited anywhere to link, but I liked Robert Hoods stories about the early Detroit Scene in Michelangelo Matos' The Underground is Massive, recounting DJs getting beaten for not playing the right records, and these popular guys still playing pretty small ghetto parties. Then, when Frankie Knuckles and co got booked for some sets in Europe they suddenly realise all these white people love them, turning out in the thousands for raves but "couldn't dance for shit".

Now every rave is p much just white people

Too many designer drugs ruined the scene. Candy kids ruined the seen. We don't want any part of going to a festival and getting Mollywoped, it's stupid.
At the festivals and clubs in NYC you'll find White, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Middle Eastern... but there are probably more Black performers/DJs than concertgoers.

Back in its prime parties were a good mix of all types. Until Pittsburgh 97 when the idiot neon glow stick sporting e slurping shittard came down from NYC and literally killed the vibe on one weekend.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

If you absolutely positively want to ruin a seen let NYC kids travel. Was the case, is the case, will always be the case.

[tiesto]

If you absolutely positively want to ruin a seen let NYC kids travel. Was the case, is the case, will always be the case.

NYC was the birthplace of the US rave scene - see Frankie Bones, Joey Beltram, the Caffeine parties.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

If you absolutely positively want to ruin a seen let NYC kids travel. Was the case, is the case, will always be the case.

NYC was the birthplace of the US rave scene - see Frankie Bones, Joey Beltram, the Caffeine parties.

Nope. Chicago. Good try though still has nothing to do with the fact that plague ruined every scene it enters. White NYC hipsters suck at parties, sorry.

[tiesto]

If you absolutely positively want to ruin a seen let NYC kids travel. Was the case, is the case, will always be the case.

NYC was the birthplace of the US rave scene - see Frankie Bones, Joey Beltram, the Caffeine parties.

Nope. Chicago. Good try though still has nothing to do with the fact that plague ruined every scene it enters. White NYC hipsters suck at parties, sorry.

Wikipedia begs to differ. The first US takes on the large-scale "summer of love" acid house raves in the UK was from Frankie Bones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rave

And if you want to go even further back, Frankie Knuckles got his start DJing in NY (though obviously it was his residency at Chicago's Warehouse club that led to the birth of house), Larry Levan and his Paradise Garage residency was historically very relevant for dance's development, and even before the early house/garage era you had David Mancuso's loft parties. NYC is super important to the development of dance music, regardless how much you think NYC hipsters are responsible for shitting up everything (and us NYers usually blame you midwesterners for coming here and shitting up everything so it goes 2 ways )

[bork]

tiesto, that Wikipedia link states:

In the mid to late 1980s, a wave of psychedelic and other electronic dance music, most notably acid house music, emerged from acid house music parties in the mid-to-late 1980s in the Chicago area in the United States.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Arguing with somebody who was in that seen in the 90's.

Don't confuse Jungle with Booty House, DJ.

[Steve Contra]

Yeah it's Chicago.  White folks stealing credit from blacks and hispanics again

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Yeah it's Chicago.  White folks stealing credit from blacks and hispanics again

It was our scene way before it was the white boys drug siesta set up. For sure.

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[Am_I_Anonymous]

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I don't see no PC

2014 old man still the goat.


Them white people dancing kills my soul


Here's how it's done FYI

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[tiesto]

Arguing with somebody who was in that seen in the 90's.

Don't confuse Jungle with Booty House, DJ.

I was in that scene in the 90's too (well, late 90's since I'm a bit younger than you).

Why did white people 'ruin the scene'? Drugs? Do you really not think there weren't shit tons of drugs at gay Chicago nightclubs?

Yeah it's Chicago.  White folks stealing credit from blacks and hispanics again

And the black folks in Detroit were using ideas from Kraftwerk, kraut/space rock, experimental electronic artists, your point? I bet not one of the OG Detroit/Chicago music producers complained when they were suddenly getting $$$ and offers to show up on Top of the Pops once the stuff got big in Britain.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Yes drugs killed the scene. 100%

[tiesto]

Yes drugs killed the scene. 100%

But drugs were always around, even in the (especially in the) disco and proto-house days...

The drugs may have changed through the years but drug use has remained a constant. What harmed the scene much more was legislation like the RAVE act, cabaret laws, a popularity and investment bubble that collapsed, and changing tastes.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Yes drugs killed the scene. 100%

But drugs were always around, even in the (especially in the) disco and proto-house days...

The drugs may have changed through the years but drug use has remained a constant. What harmed the scene much more was legislation like the RAVE act, cabaret laws, a popularity and investment bubble that collapsed, and changing tastes.

Let me be more specific

When it trended away from cocaine and weed to ecstasy, meth, and ghb people went from being party kids to zombies.

Then following deaths and overdoses the acts was written and cops started busting garages and old warehouses for "fire hazards" and shit. I mean I was there, trust me.

[naff]

Here's how it's done FYI

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Were you busting these moves in '82?



also, props to Cleetus @3:00

[Am_I_Anonymous]