Konami announces Metal Gear Survive

[doctavius bonbon]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/17/gamescom-2016-konami-announces-metal-gear-survive

Set directly after the events of Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes, Survive sees the members of Militaires Sans Frontières not killed in that game’s finale transported through wormholes into an alternate universe, where they’re forced to battle a force of crystalline zombies and, it seems, at least one Metal Gear itself.

“Metal Gear Survive will offer a fresh take on the series’ famed stealth elements,” said Konami European president, Tomotada Tashiro in a press release, “but within a unique co-op setting that is designed for a truly engrossing multiplayer experience.”

I was going to say "wow that's crazy" but then I remembered this is the Metal Gear universe. Since it's post Kojima, prepare for unlimited fuckery.

edit: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=213931722&postcount=443

[archnemesis]

The trailer didn't sell me on the game. If I want to play multiplayer Metal Gear I could just boot up the online modes of MGS5 that I've barely touched.

[VomKriege]

Beaten to the thread.

Suck it Konami haters 
Sounds like one of those shitty RE spinoffs.

[Trent Dole]

Man I've not been down with MGS since like 2 and still think this is fucking awful.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=213931722&postcount=443

Well, at least we still have the cryptic bullshit from fans, so this MGS is true to form.

[chronovore]

Metal Gear was a mistake.

[bork]

what is this i dont even

[Yeti]

Kojima is rolling over in his grave

[thisismyusername]

Man I've not been down with MGS since like 2 and still think this is fucking awful.

MGS3 was amazing. The card games were as well. I'd even throw Ground Zeroes and the Phantom Pain in despite the latter being obviously rushed out the door.

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Peace Walker wasn't that bad either, but too many copy-pasted repeat missions that started to require other players.

[close]

Co-Op Zombie shooter MGS

That and: No Kojima.

I just want that MGS3 Fox Engine remake, Konami. You've shown us that with the Pachinko machine CGI, just do that, you'd make a ton of MGS fans happy in the process and even make the investment money in Fox Engine back. The ONE good thing I can say about this announcement is that since it's Fox Engine the PC version will run on like 10+ year old GPU's and set-ups like the last two did. Plus it'll still look pretty damn good.

[VomKriege]

Is it really that easy to up-port MGS3 (or older) in the Fox Engine though ? Is it worth it for a cow that may be dry considering how many times they re-released those games recently ? Like Final Fantasy 7 I'd expect Konami to keep that card for way later.

I guess the silver lining is that Konami is not 100% out (bar PES) of the home videogame business.

[Let's Cyber]

Gross

[bork]

"Metal Gear Survive" actually refers to the business model Konami plans to use to get more money.

[thisismyusername]

Is it really that easy to up-port MGS3 (or older) in the Fox Engine though ? Is it worth it for a cow that may be dry considering how many times they re-released those games recently ? Like Final Fantasy 7 I'd expect Konami to keep that card for way later.

I guess the silver lining is that Konami is not 100% out (bar PES) of the home videogame business.

Blue Point porting MGS2-3 to PC (hell, MGS1-2 already had PC ports, they just need to fix those) would be easy money. Them putting that money into making the CGI would EASILY make them bank. Fans want a remake more than anything new for the series. So, yes, it would make their effort and money back ten-fold.

And unlike FF7, Konami has no pot to piss in in regards to "fans." They're bleeding them faster than anything because they went after Pachinko and that backfired while telling the last few remaining western fans of their brand to fuck off.

[VomKriege]

I'm always skeptical of those "easy money opportunities" touted by fans, to be honest but I may be wrong. I suspect the rationale for companies might also be that too much rehashing is not good long term and cannot take priority over fresh new stuff. A last thing is that there's often licensing issues on old stuff but considering they made a pachinko game recently with MGS3 material it probably doesn't have a place here.

I'm sure you'll get your wish at some point.

[mormapope]

The MGS catalog on PC would be the easiest money Konami could ever make. If something like FFXIII can sell well, MGS1-MGS4 on Steam would be incredibly low risk financially with a high payout no matter what. Maybe not full remakes of anything, but re-releases or remasters? How hard would it be to port the HD collection and rerelease MGS1 on steam?

We're also talking about Konami, which as a game publisher, is somehow worse than Capcom and Square Enix on their worst days.

[thisismyusername]

I'm always skeptical of those "easy money opportunities" touted by fans, to be honest but I may be wrong. I suspect the rationale for companies might also be that too much rehashing is not good long term and cannot take priority over fresh new stuff. A last thing is that there's often licensing issues on old stuff but considering they made a pachinko game recently with MGS3 material it probably doesn't have a place here.

I'm sure you'll get your wish at some point.

Look how successful the HD port was on PS360. Look at how crazy fans got when the CGI MGS3 scenes were revealed to be Pachinko.

MGS3 remake would be easy money for Konami if they were already spending money on the CGI cutscenes. Make the models in Fox Engine look as good as that and half the work is already done (the scenes) you just then need to make the backgrounds/maps look at good as that.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I'm always skeptical of those "easy money opportunities" touted by fans, to be honest but I may be wrong. I suspect the rationale for companies might also be that too much rehashing is not good long term and cannot take priority over fresh new stuff. A last thing is that there's often licensing issues on old stuff but considering they made a pachinko game recently with MGS3 material it probably doesn't have a place here.

I'm sure you'll get your wish at some point.

Look how successful the HD port was on PS360. Look at how crazy fans got when the CGI MGS3 scenes were revealed to be Pachinko.

MGS3 remake would be easy money for Konami if they were already spending money on the CGI cutscenes. Make the models in Fox Engine look as good as that and half the work is already done (the scenes) you just then need to make the backgrounds/maps look at good as that.

It should take a week!

[thisismyusername]

 

I'm saying if they put effort into giving fans what they wanted, they'd make the investment back ten-fold.

[VomKriege]

I say that because the public generally underestimate the cost of decently exploiting back catalogue in film (storage, masterisation and restoration), while overestimating its commercial appeal. Games are different obviously and I don't doubt MGS has some appeal but even with the new commercial opportunities to monetize old stuff, the media game is still first and foremost about new products. I know I already used this exemple a couple if times but Sega abruptly stopped making HD remakes for a while after the lackluster sales of JSRHD IIRC and even a surebet horse like RE is "only" moving 1m units at a budget price (very good, mind, but not the kind of crazy numbers now expected from tentpole releases).

A simple conversion to be sold on Steam would be mostly risk free I agree, I'm less positive about a full fledged HD remake to today's standards. Even if, I don't think Konami is willing to make any budget effort now anyway. So I guess we agree on that. They're not terribly in need of earning goodwill, despite the PR sugarcoating.

[thisismyusername]

A full HD remake after those leaked Pachinko cutscenes wouldn't make money, IMO?

RE2 will be the true test since it'll be a remake and not a port/"remaster" like a majority of the generation's stuff has been. JSR bombed because it was niche. If they ported JSRF first (which is much easier to get into) I feel like Sega would've had both of them out eventually.

[Positive Touch]

why would you want a remake of mgs3 when the hd version looks and plays just fine? and why would you assume that a game with a ton of assets and detailed cutscenes like mgs3 would be cheap to remake? are you simple

[VomKriege]

A full HD remake after those leaked Pachinko cutscenes wouldn't make money, IMO?

Hey, as I say, maybe wrong on this. Just a tad skeptical the profit margins are that interesting.
Even as intricate and lovely as it is, the pachinko machine is just pre-rendered video at the end of the day. It's probably not that expensive to produce.

[bluemax]

Is it really that easy to up-port MGS3 (or older) in the Fox Engine though ? Is it worth it for a cow that may be dry considering how many times they re-released those games recently ? Like Final Fantasy 7 I'd expect Konami to keep that card for way later.

I guess the silver lining is that Konami is not 100% out (bar PES) of the home videogame business.

You assume they even have anyone left who knows how any of the tech works. They dumped everyone from the NA office except some dudes who keep the multiplayer servers going, and I don't think many people stuck around at the JP office either.

[chronovore]

"Metal Gear Survive" actually refers to the business model Konami plans to use to get more money.

Epic victory for Bork.

However, technically that plan is "Konami Sports Center Survive," which ignores our little hobby entirely. (it even involves our hobby's worst enemy: EXERCISE)

[chronovore]

Is it really that easy to up-port MGS3 (or older) in the Fox Engine though ? Is it worth it for a cow that may be dry considering how many times they re-released those games recently ? Like Final Fantasy 7 I'd expect Konami to keep that card for way later.

I guess the silver lining is that Konami is not 100% out (bar PES) of the home videogame business.

Blue Point porting MGS2-3 to PC (hell, MGS1-2 already had PC ports, they just need to fix those) would be easy money. Them putting that money into making the CGI would EASILY make them bank. Fans want a remake more than anything new for the series. So, yes, it would make their effort and money back ten-fold.

And unlike FF7, Konami has no pot to piss in in regards to "fans." They're bleeding them faster than anything because they went after Pachinko and that backfired while telling the last few remaining western fans of their brand to fuck off.

A quick peek at wikipedia says point has handled some nice console ports but hasn't done PC ports. It's a different animal; ask the crew at Heavy Iron about working on a fluid spec.

Konami will probably work out something with a western developer to build a console-based MGS sequel and it will go gangbusters. They aren't going to sit on the brand. The only worry is Kojima making something derivative under Sony's protection, and Konami being unable to protest.

[Rahxephon91]

A full HD remake after those leaked Pachinko cutscenes wouldn't make money, IMO?

I mean would it? MGS3 is probably the least popular and played one out of the series. People also tend to want new things over old things and it's really random to have the it just be the third game.

Also how much would it cost to make. I mean I guess you could just put HD assets over the game ala Gears and Halo, but even those don't sell as well as brand new installments in those series.

And a actual complete remake would basically be a brand new HD game complete with the risks and who knows if it would sell as well as a brand new MGS. You have to convince people who have already played it to buy it and new people who see that 3 and go huh? I'm not sure it's a 100% success.

I want it though.

[Rahxephon91]

why would you want a remake of mgs3 when the hd version looks and plays just fine? and why would you assume that a game with a ton of assets and detailed cutscenes like mgs3 would be cheap to remake? are you simple

Well for one I'd like it to play like MGS5 kind of. I kind of liked the crouch walking in the 3DS version and going forward I wanted all MGS games to have that.

Also having the jungle actually be like some of the expansive and big environments from 5 would be amazing. It could possibly feel like a survival games as you have to travel through this big open forest and scale mountains and stuff. Without all the Mother Base shit from 5.

It could be amazing and MGS3 is the most deserving of MGS5 type ideas.

[Madrun Badrun]

Someday I'd like to play MGS4.  Hopefully they turn that movie into a game at some point. 

[eleuin]

nanomachines

saved you many hours you'll never get back

[Positive Touch]

i would like to take a moment to point out that the premise for this game is pretty standard for the series, given the wacky shit they always include as extras in the series. i'da figured series fans would be cool with this but i guess most really are just here for the melodrama bullshit.

[chronovore]

worth a crosspost: